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(I only use foot plates now, so much better than cans, two large
rectangular aluminmum pie plates available at any grocery store.)
Again I set up two meters, two Mark V's this time, one right handed
and one left handed, so the two dials were very close to each other in
the middle, and the TA arms were easy to reach with both hands.
Cans to the left hand meter were in my right hand, cans to the
right hand meter were in my left hand.
Quite a difference in response. Right hand cans (left hand meter)
often read earlier and deeper. I would see the left hand meter needle
go zooming into a fall, and then the right hand meter would follow
slowly lackadasically later. Reads that were instant on the left hand
meter were very latent on right hand meter.
Sometimes needles were out of sync, left hand meter would be rising
slowly and right hand meter would be falling slowly.
I have a feeling my right brain (left hands) is a bit over audited,
as the left hands is the hands I solo with. I may have been doing
better when I was using two hands, but I can't write that way only voice
record.
Most of my solo was two handed for many years until recently when I
found that I could single hand solo and write things to good effect.
Now I wonder.
In using two meters, eyes are rarely aimed at just one, thus
periphery vision comes into play. I can assess 'left brain, right
brain' and notice each meter read alone in turn.
Two meters also made the session more lively, because when one
wasn't reading, the other one would be. With one meter it would be
considered a no read. When I nailed something, often one meter would do
the blow down, and then the other would follow sort of as an after
thought.
Ta was a bit higher on one than the other. Session was about
service facs, computations, domination and suppresed
earlier/other/higher universes.
Lots of mass and tension on throat and face over this.
Homer
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Phil Scott (philscott888@sf.sbcglobal.net) wrote:
Homer:
>> ... 'where I am' exists within a context of space and time that
>> goes back into presumably rememberable history.
Phil:
>You either had not fully realized the insights you posted
>earlier about Static and the material construct, or you are
>trolling. If its the former please notice that you are
>validating space and time as a context for where you are...
Certainly, I am shifting viewpoints to an inside game viewpoint.
I still wish to play the game with one foot while wiggling the toes
of my other foot in the void.
For game playing purposes it is very important to have an accurate
idea of where you are, what you have done, what your true purposes are,
who or what opposes you, what debts you may owe, who is out to get you,
what abilities they have etc.
Amnesia is not useful.
>Another of Hubbies curve balls.. he threw thousands of
>them... until you spit them all out you will make gain in one
>area..... as you did on your 'static' remarks ... and your
>between the wings of the dichotomy post of 7 or 8 years
>ago....then loose them as you try to locate yourself... a
>creative entity.... in a created cluster fuck. duhhh.
Well I do it for the sake of my body and those of others.
Like Les says, we don't want to invalidate the game.
In fact once one is connected to the 'fountain head of source'
again, 'da void,' then one can start playing the game again for real
without getting lost again.
The getting lost bit was a sympathy ploy for having done wrong etc.
I done my time in hell, time to get back to building chapels to heaven,
so I have some place to play my pianos.
>> Lots of people claim to remember past lives, so I'd like to know
>> where Earth stands in local galatic history.
>Its a spec of sand on a limitless collection of oceans. its
>individual foundings are about that relevant in the larger
>scheme of things... its origins trace back to the level of sub
>atomic particles is reasonably well understood by todays
>science...and visible looking back in time via the Hubbel
>telescope...but not beyond the level of the sub atomic
>particles.
>So you question is then?
Earth has been terra formed a number of times by beings more
advanced than us.
Anyhow I am more interested in the history of the beings that are
here, where they came from, how they came to Earth, through what means,
implants, defeats, triumphs etc.
We don't exist in a vaccum, and its not as they taught us in
school.
>You want to know the unknowable to date and dont, so of all
>the nut cases in the world you chose to accept L Rong Hubbard
>as yer source of info? Pleeeze.
?
I accept no one as my source. I have asked for everyone's
experiences, hypotheses, whatever they can dig up about where we are,
how we got here, and where we are or should be going.
> You will see the sand box clearly after a time and then you
>can simply step out of it.. effortlessly and look back
>marveling how you had gotten so involved in all the jabber
>jabber, hair splits and etc.
That's what I want to know, how I got involved. It was not a one
life bumblefuck.
> Entirely correct. And these other people should maybe not wake up
>yet...their time has not come... it may never come.
Everyone's time comes one day.
> Ok .... thats correct. Few however wish to get out....
>they see their life in terms of creations, their thoughts and
>identity etc. and in scn of course process along those
>lines to beef them up.. be come 'OT'.. locate at a
>point... and project power, and be cause over the flies..
>all that is on the path south.
Yes. Seeking OT power for human motivations, mostly to protect
one's body and ownership in the game, is a trap.
Hubbard was not trying to produce that kind of OT, he wanted OT's
that could permeate, take and play boths sides of any game of defend and
protect at the same time, and invent new games forever for free so they
would never get stuck in any game at all, not even the need to play one.
OT's use their powers, create mountains etc, to design games,
they don't use them to win games.
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Phil Scott (philscott888@sf.sbcglobal.net) wrote:
Homer:
>> ... 'where I am' exists within a context of space and time that
>> goes back into presumably rememberable history.
Phil:
>You either had not fully realized the insights you posted
>earlier about Static and the material construct, or you are
>trolling. If its the former please notice that you are
>validating space and time as a context for where you are...
Certainly, I am shifting viewpoints to an inside game viewpoint.
I still wish to play the game with one foot while wiggling the toes
of my other foot in the void.
For game playing purposes it is very important to have an accurate
idea of where you are, what you have done, what your true purposes are,
who or what opposes you, what debts you may owe, who is out to get you,
what abilities they have etc.
Amnesia is not useful.
>Another of Hubbies curve balls.. he threw thousands of
>them... until you spit them all out you will make gain in one
>area..... as you did on your 'static' remarks ... and your
>between the wings of the dichotomy post of 7 or 8 years
>ago....then loose them as you try to locate yourself... a
>creative entity.... in a created cluster fuck. duhhh.
Well I do it for the sake of my body and those of others.
Like Les says, we don't want to invalidate the game.
In fact once one is connected to the 'fountain head of source'
again, 'da void,' then one can start playing the game again for real
without getting lost again.
The getting lost bit was a sympathy ploy for having done wrong etc.
I done my time in hell, time to get back to building chapels to heaven,
so I have some place to play my pianos.
>> Lots of people claim to remember past lives, so I'd like to know
>> where Earth stands in local galatic history.
>Its a spec of sand on a limitless collection of oceans. its
>individual foundings are about that relevant in the larger
>scheme of things... its origins trace back to the level of sub
>atomic particles is reasonably well understood by todays
>science...and visible looking back in time via the Hubbel
>telescope...but not beyond the level of the sub atomic
>particles.
>So you question is then?
Earth has been terra formed a number of times by beings more
advanced than us.
Anyhow I am more interested in the history of the beings that are
here, where they came from, how they came to Earth, through what means,
implants, defeats, triumphs etc.
We don't exist in a vaccum, and its not as they taught us in
school.
>You want to know the unknowable to date and dont, so of all
>the nut cases in the world you chose to accept L Rong Hubbard
>as yer source of info? Pleeeze.
?
I accept no one as my source. I have asked for everyone's
experiences, hypotheses, whatever they can dig up about where we are,
how we got here, and where we are or should be going.
> You will see the sand box clearly after a time and then you
>can simply step out of it.. effortlessly and look back
>marveling how you had gotten so involved in all the jabber
>jabber, hair splits and etc.
That's what I want to know, how I got involved. It was not a one
life bumblefuck.
> Entirely correct. And these other people should maybe not wake up
>yet...their time has not come... it may never come.
Everyone's time comes one day.
> Ok .... thats correct. Few however wish to get out....
>they see their life in terms of creations, their thoughts and
>identity etc. and in scn of course process along those
>lines to beef them up.. be come 'OT'.. locate at a
>point... and project power, and be cause over the flies..
>all that is on the path south.
Yes. Seeking OT power for human motivations, mostly to protect
one's body and ownership in the game, is a trap.
Hubbard was not trying to produce that kind of OT, he wanted OT's
that could permeate, take and play boths sides of any game of defend and
protect at the same time, and invent new games forever for free so they
would never get stuck in any game at all, not even the need to play one.
OT's use their powers, create mountains etc, to design games,
they don't use them to win games.
Homer
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INTEGRITY REVISITED
roger.larsson@live.com wrote:
> So squirrels can be whole heading for one direction and LRH and DM splinted running around in a treadmill?
>
> They sure are in trouble.
The word integrity has 3 distinct meanings in english.
1.) Moral rectitude, principled, honest etc.
2.) Wholeness, undivided against one's self
3.) Soundness, or correctness, as it should be or as expected, non
contradictory.
Integrity is used by Adore and in the below posting in the sense of
number 3.
Personal integrity is NOT a state of wholeness, it is a state of
uncorrupted correctness of data and understanding, like a database that
is as it should be and not corrupted with file allocation table errors,
or held down 7's.
This meaning is justified in the sense of wholeness of Truth,
that is no errors in one's awareness of Truth.
The E/P of Life Repair is Awareness of Truth and the way to
Personal Freedom.
It was later changed to Personal Integrity.
Most people probably don't have a sense of their lack of wholeness,
its absurd to start with on the face of it, but even in the vulgar, most
people just don't spend their time thinking about loss of wholeness.
They might understand not being divided against yourself
knowingly or unknowingly by being buried in endless ANDs, both wanting
to live and wanting to die at the same time!
But mostly they spend their time thinking about loss of freedom and
understand that very well.
Thus I was very downcast when they downgraded the E/P from Freedom
to Integrity in the middle of my Life Repair.
After hundreds of hours on Life Repair they finally gave up.
I actually attested to life repair one day after a mildly boring
cog, it gave me hope about getting on with the rest of the bridge as my
Life Repair was burning up my resources and getting me nowhere.
But I felt so bad about it afterwards, my 'personal integrity' had
a major crack in it from the attest, I knew I couldn't live with it, so
I went back to the examiners and retracted my attestation.
Boy did that piss them off.
My life was not repaired in any possible sense of the word, and I
had no more awareness of truth or way to personal anything than I had
going into it many intensives before.
They blamed the failure of my auditing on drugs.
They sent me to Flag to see if they could do anything about me.
6 intensives later I was out of money, and I was not a single
division of TA better and sinking fast, no matter how many divs they
wrote down in my stupid folders.
The saddest day was the last day I was there saying good bye to
everyone, I was looking at the wins board, reading all these wins
written by others, many my friends, and I didn't have a single win to
report similar or otherwise to the one's posted. I left a black sheep,
ashamed, hopeless, hysterical, dejected and massively sad effect.
Ruin headed for disaster.
How hard can a life repair be?
Find the ruin, and repair.
That's the biggest error Scn ever made, forget the Ruin,
*FIND THE DISASTER*
Eternal disasters, immortal disasters and mortal disasters.
But disaster is followed by inactuality, delusion, hysteria, shock,
catatonia and oblivion, followed by unspeakable things not mentioned
here.
But directing their attention to mere ruins will not run,
its too surface, but you can't audit disaster without running
the not-is of inactuality, delusion and hysteria.
And you can't run Ruins without running Being CAUSE of being
an effect, despair (can't run), suffering/misery, *NUMBNESS* and
introversion.
Do you even have a clue what EXTROVERSION ME5CS around tone 20.0 on
the tone scale, fair chosen games and action?
I had one hope though, I had heard a tape a few weeks before by
LRH, and from that tape I got an understanding that led me to know that
I could do this thing myself, deal with my case.
40 years and many many hours of dual and solo later in the field, I
am not where I was in 1973, but I am still climbing that wall of
overwhelm with greater certainty than ever that my original dreams of
spiritual freedom are possible and available if I keep going and don't
give up from the monsterous overwhelms and jeers and evil hatred of
others from both sides of the fence.
As for the Church, they are walking their last green mile and do
not know it.
You might want to consider who YOU would like to run the Church and
be C/S Int if and when it falls to pieces from the inside out.
As for scientology as a subject, it is probably a dead subject on
this planet. In a hundred years, amidst the armegeddon smoke there will
be no slightest hint of the existence of these understandings anywhere,
except maybe in hidden sanctuaries of mindless cults.
If scientology continues at all, scientology and OTdom will belong
only to the very rich and very elite.
As for squirrels, it is prima facie not acceptable that a sold
service remain in the hands of one corporation forming a market
monopoly.
Monopolies lead to sky high prices, a social elite, bad service, no
aftermarket technical support, no guarantees, no advancement or
enhancement of the product, and wicked penalties for breaking contracts,
and a SERIOUSLY BAD ATTITUDE.
Competition leads to market sustainable pricing available to
everyone, better service, good after market guarantees and technical
support, and advancement and enhancement of the product.
Without competition clearing will die, end of story, or become the
secret playtoy of the corrupt rich and powerful, creating a spiritual
elite on this planet and a slave state for everyone else, the likes of
which have never been written in the books of man.
Over my dead thetan.
The skeptic critics are fools, they think clearing doesn't work, oh
in truth they fear it does work but don't want it to, their fate is to
shine the jack boots of the new age rulers, with their tongues.
Those who know the tech does work, need to wake up a bit and
realize the present dual auditing model is not long term practical, and
if they too wish to be part of the wealthy spiritual elite, their fate
is also a noose at the end of a hang man's rope.
Or a guillotine.
They can talk about co audits, but who will C/S and for how much?
Who will train and for how much?
And with what materials, and for how much?
And if the tech is kept secret to protect income and global victims
from further implanting, who will be able to rise to the occasion and
take what has been done and carry it to a new and much faster level.
If you don't put your tech on the net, you become part of the
problem and not part of the solution. The government already has it,
and is working to enslave everyone with it. Thus the victims we feared
for, by making the tech public, are already on their way to the
slaughterhouse.
Who has the tech enough to save them?
If only the controllers have tech, then only criminals have tech.
The disbelief of fools whose mothers bred without a license is the
government's greatest protection. It will be WAY too late for fools
when they finally get around to admitting the stuff does work, to their
total detriment and everything they have loved and cared for.
Do you for a single moment believe that when the time comes for YOU
to know the higher tech and get the higher levels that there will be
*ANY* benign organization on this planet that will welcome you and your
money with open arms and give it to you?
Without owning your soul forever afterwards?
Or practicing black Scientology on you to keep your income
flow coming in without ever allowing you to ARRIVE where you wanted
to go?
Will you be safe to work on the levels you wish?
Will you be safe having ATTAINED and publicly attested to those
levels?
Do you really want the government to know you are OT?
Once you are OT, do you want the government to put you to
work for their ends?
DO YOU REALLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS INTERESTED IN FREE BEINGS?
Integrity can mean wholeness, undivided against one's self.
With incredible ability to help, comes incredible ability to harm.
LRH was a multivalent son of a bitch.
Which valence are you going to choose?
"This work was free, keep it so."
What does that mean?
Homer
Found this in a dusty pile of paper...
INTEGRITY
To doubt that you have any doubts is absurd.
To be certain that can't be certain of anything is absurd.
To not know what you can know may kill you.
To think you know what you can't know will kill you.
It is better to not know what you can know than to 'know'
what you can't know.
To doubt a certainty may kill you.
To be 'certain' of something that is false will kill you.
Uncertainty exists.
To doubt this, is to prove it.
Therefore certainty of uncertainty exists.
Therefore certainty exists.
To wonder if you are certain, is to be uncertain.
Uncertainty is different from certainty.
To be uncertain of this or anything is to be certainly uncertain
of this or anything.
If you are certainly uncertain of something and can't tell the
difference between certainty and uncertainty, boy are you in trouble.
Homer
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roger.larsson@live.com wrote:
> So squirrels can be whole heading for one direction and LRH and DM splinted running around in a treadmill?
>
> They sure are in trouble.
The word integrity has 3 distinct meanings in english.
1.) Moral rectitude, principled, honest etc.
2.) Wholeness, undivided against one's self
3.) Soundness, or correctness, as it should be or as expected, non
contradictory.
Integrity is used by Adore and in the below posting in the sense of
number 3.
Personal integrity is NOT a state of wholeness, it is a state of
uncorrupted correctness of data and understanding, like a database that
is as it should be and not corrupted with file allocation table errors,
or held down 7's.
This meaning is justified in the sense of wholeness of Truth,
that is no errors in one's awareness of Truth.
The E/P of Life Repair is Awareness of Truth and the way to
Personal Freedom.
It was later changed to Personal Integrity.
Most people probably don't have a sense of their lack of wholeness,
its absurd to start with on the face of it, but even in the vulgar, most
people just don't spend their time thinking about loss of wholeness.
They might understand not being divided against yourself
knowingly or unknowingly by being buried in endless ANDs, both wanting
to live and wanting to die at the same time!
But mostly they spend their time thinking about loss of freedom and
understand that very well.
Thus I was very downcast when they downgraded the E/P from Freedom
to Integrity in the middle of my Life Repair.
After hundreds of hours on Life Repair they finally gave up.
I actually attested to life repair one day after a mildly boring
cog, it gave me hope about getting on with the rest of the bridge as my
Life Repair was burning up my resources and getting me nowhere.
But I felt so bad about it afterwards, my 'personal integrity' had
a major crack in it from the attest, I knew I couldn't live with it, so
I went back to the examiners and retracted my attestation.
Boy did that piss them off.
My life was not repaired in any possible sense of the word, and I
had no more awareness of truth or way to personal anything than I had
going into it many intensives before.
They blamed the failure of my auditing on drugs.
They sent me to Flag to see if they could do anything about me.
6 intensives later I was out of money, and I was not a single
division of TA better and sinking fast, no matter how many divs they
wrote down in my stupid folders.
The saddest day was the last day I was there saying good bye to
everyone, I was looking at the wins board, reading all these wins
written by others, many my friends, and I didn't have a single win to
report similar or otherwise to the one's posted. I left a black sheep,
ashamed, hopeless, hysterical, dejected and massively sad effect.
Ruin headed for disaster.
How hard can a life repair be?
Find the ruin, and repair.
That's the biggest error Scn ever made, forget the Ruin,
*FIND THE DISASTER*
Eternal disasters, immortal disasters and mortal disasters.
But disaster is followed by inactuality, delusion, hysteria, shock,
catatonia and oblivion, followed by unspeakable things not mentioned
here.
But directing their attention to mere ruins will not run,
its too surface, but you can't audit disaster without running
the not-is of inactuality, delusion and hysteria.
And you can't run Ruins without running Being CAUSE of being
an effect, despair (can't run), suffering/misery, *NUMBNESS* and
introversion.
Do you even have a clue what EXTROVERSION ME5CS around tone 20.0 on
the tone scale, fair chosen games and action?
I had one hope though, I had heard a tape a few weeks before by
LRH, and from that tape I got an understanding that led me to know that
I could do this thing myself, deal with my case.
40 years and many many hours of dual and solo later in the field, I
am not where I was in 1973, but I am still climbing that wall of
overwhelm with greater certainty than ever that my original dreams of
spiritual freedom are possible and available if I keep going and don't
give up from the monsterous overwhelms and jeers and evil hatred of
others from both sides of the fence.
As for the Church, they are walking their last green mile and do
not know it.
You might want to consider who YOU would like to run the Church and
be C/S Int if and when it falls to pieces from the inside out.
As for scientology as a subject, it is probably a dead subject on
this planet. In a hundred years, amidst the armegeddon smoke there will
be no slightest hint of the existence of these understandings anywhere,
except maybe in hidden sanctuaries of mindless cults.
If scientology continues at all, scientology and OTdom will belong
only to the very rich and very elite.
As for squirrels, it is prima facie not acceptable that a sold
service remain in the hands of one corporation forming a market
monopoly.
Monopolies lead to sky high prices, a social elite, bad service, no
aftermarket technical support, no guarantees, no advancement or
enhancement of the product, and wicked penalties for breaking contracts,
and a SERIOUSLY BAD ATTITUDE.
Competition leads to market sustainable pricing available to
everyone, better service, good after market guarantees and technical
support, and advancement and enhancement of the product.
Without competition clearing will die, end of story, or become the
secret playtoy of the corrupt rich and powerful, creating a spiritual
elite on this planet and a slave state for everyone else, the likes of
which have never been written in the books of man.
Over my dead thetan.
The skeptic critics are fools, they think clearing doesn't work, oh
in truth they fear it does work but don't want it to, their fate is to
shine the jack boots of the new age rulers, with their tongues.
Those who know the tech does work, need to wake up a bit and
realize the present dual auditing model is not long term practical, and
if they too wish to be part of the wealthy spiritual elite, their fate
is also a noose at the end of a hang man's rope.
Or a guillotine.
They can talk about co audits, but who will C/S and for how much?
Who will train and for how much?
And with what materials, and for how much?
And if the tech is kept secret to protect income and global victims
from further implanting, who will be able to rise to the occasion and
take what has been done and carry it to a new and much faster level.
If you don't put your tech on the net, you become part of the
problem and not part of the solution. The government already has it,
and is working to enslave everyone with it. Thus the victims we feared
for, by making the tech public, are already on their way to the
slaughterhouse.
Who has the tech enough to save them?
If only the controllers have tech, then only criminals have tech.
The disbelief of fools whose mothers bred without a license is the
government's greatest protection. It will be WAY too late for fools
when they finally get around to admitting the stuff does work, to their
total detriment and everything they have loved and cared for.
Do you for a single moment believe that when the time comes for YOU
to know the higher tech and get the higher levels that there will be
*ANY* benign organization on this planet that will welcome you and your
money with open arms and give it to you?
Without owning your soul forever afterwards?
Or practicing black Scientology on you to keep your income
flow coming in without ever allowing you to ARRIVE where you wanted
to go?
Will you be safe to work on the levels you wish?
Will you be safe having ATTAINED and publicly attested to those
levels?
Do you really want the government to know you are OT?
Once you are OT, do you want the government to put you to
work for their ends?
DO YOU REALLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT IS INTERESTED IN FREE BEINGS?
Integrity can mean wholeness, undivided against one's self.
With incredible ability to help, comes incredible ability to harm.
LRH was a multivalent son of a bitch.
Which valence are you going to choose?
"This work was free, keep it so."
What does that mean?
Homer
Found this in a dusty pile of paper...
INTEGRITY
To doubt that you have any doubts is absurd.
To be certain that can't be certain of anything is absurd.
To not know what you can know may kill you.
To think you know what you can't know will kill you.
It is better to not know what you can know than to 'know'
what you can't know.
To doubt a certainty may kill you.
To be 'certain' of something that is false will kill you.
Uncertainty exists.
To doubt this, is to prove it.
Therefore certainty of uncertainty exists.
Therefore certainty exists.
To wonder if you are certain, is to be uncertain.
Uncertainty is different from certainty.
To be uncertain of this or anything is to be certainly uncertain
of this or anything.
If you are certainly uncertain of something and can't tell the
difference between certainty and uncertainty, boy are you in trouble.
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WHO STARTED IT
Homer:
>> They deserve to get mother's like that themselves
>
Someone:
> There must have been a 'first' bad mother if we follow your reasoning.
> What did the child do if S/he had the First one?
Nothing. The rain falls on everyone. But it also didn't stick to
the child if there were no earlier or later similar overts of the child,
so says Electra.
I got no idea.
Adore says the first overt was comitted by a Regal Asshole, someone
who was paid by everyone to pretend he was a Royal Asshole (asshole fer
real), which then allowed everyone to have their first motivator and
dramatize it.
Adore says "You started them starting it."
Aodre says the primary overt is to try to destroy laughter, humor
etc, make the other guy feel "This is not funny!"
Alternately Electra tends to think overts are generated by who ever
thinks of them first, and they roll off the backs of those that are still
guilt free, but once you have even TRIED to overt on someone, whether or
not the target victim was clean or guilty, you are now prone to having
them work on you and stick to you because now you are guilty in the
ATTEMPT.
The first overt of course was trying to convince another they had
committed an overt when they hadn't, but that's not relevant to who
started it, just an added twist to WHAT the guy who started it did, when
he started it.
Thus you have
1.) people who originated a first overt towards others, and then
later got it back from others doing the same or dramatizing what had been
done to them, and
2.) others who had it done to them first, and later dramatized it.
Notice it doesn't stick to anyone to have an overt done to them if
they themselves are clean. Worse case they 'heal', best case it goes
right through them. None the less the originator is now guilty of the
ATTEMPT, and when the same thing is done to him it will stick and not
heal. He sticks it in order to justify having done it and to restrain
doing it again. Justify and Restrain.
Electra says that's the Big Joke, he justifies it by saying it was
right to do, but then he restrains it because he regrets it! Both the
justification and the restraint are powered by the regret.
Those that had it done to them first, don't have it stick to them
until after they dramatize it later on another, either clean or guilty,
then the original event that happened to them before they dramatized it,
sticks to them as justification for having dramatized it, and restraint on
doing it again.
When it was first done to them, it went through them or it healed,
but once they dramatize it on others LATER, then it sticks to them, they
unheal, and they never get rid of the wound of what was done to them,
EARLIER.
Those that originated the overt first, when someone does it back to
them, will have the incoming overt stick to them and they will place it
BEFORE the overt they originated in order again to justify their
unprovoked DED, and also to restrain doing it again.
(DED = unprovoked overt act, *NOT* DEserveD by the recipient)
This is all Electra nonsense, I have no idea if its true.
Electra seemed to like to track Hubbard this thought, but she
went to great extents to flesh it out in detail.
Clearly the idea an overt on another between two sovereign
beings is ludicrous on the face of it, each must be postulating
that the other could hurt and did hurt him.
The game of 'you hurt me' has been going on for a long time, but
the firstg overt was to claim someone committed an overt on you when
they hadn't. So its a bit twisty.
Running overts has never gone as far as I thought it would in
session.
> I'm a terrible mother,I don't even have a license to breed (grin)
>
>>how do you think I got mine? :)
>
> You borrowed Phil Scott's?
Phil's mother was quite reasonable compared to mine.
Being the Victim Son, *NO ONE* has a worse mother than I.
In fact Electra said one way to access the early unrememberable
areas of child hood is to run "What have I done to a child as a mother."
In this or a past life.
That will eventually bring up what my mother did to me, and why I
am holding onto it.
Your milage may vary.
Frankly I think the first overt was going up to someone and trying
to audit them with what questions, in particular who did what to whom
questions.
The insane decision to protest or regret dones is pretty close to
the source of insanity.
No one is 'putting it there' in a while, they are too busy trying
to unput it there forever.
And that changing a while into a forever/never might very well be
the first overt and the original cause of persistence.
Who cares who did what to whom, y'all chose don't you see?
Blaming others is a DED against yourself as it denies your
responsibility for the other being there and agent in your
dream.
And maybe we did that out of some weird divine aesthetic to be an
'innocent victim' for a while.
Down here that kind of thinking may not be too workable, but if you
want to get out of here, its the only way out.
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WHO STARTED IT
Homer:
>> They deserve to get mother's like that themselves
>
Someone:
> There must have been a 'first' bad mother if we follow your reasoning.
> What did the child do if S/he had the First one?
Nothing. The rain falls on everyone. But it also didn't stick to
the child if there were no earlier or later similar overts of the child,
so says Electra.
I got no idea.
Adore says the first overt was comitted by a Regal Asshole, someone
who was paid by everyone to pretend he was a Royal Asshole (asshole fer
real), which then allowed everyone to have their first motivator and
dramatize it.
Adore says "You started them starting it."
Aodre says the primary overt is to try to destroy laughter, humor
etc, make the other guy feel "This is not funny!"
Alternately Electra tends to think overts are generated by who ever
thinks of them first, and they roll off the backs of those that are still
guilt free, but once you have even TRIED to overt on someone, whether or
not the target victim was clean or guilty, you are now prone to having
them work on you and stick to you because now you are guilty in the
ATTEMPT.
The first overt of course was trying to convince another they had
committed an overt when they hadn't, but that's not relevant to who
started it, just an added twist to WHAT the guy who started it did, when
he started it.
Thus you have
1.) people who originated a first overt towards others, and then
later got it back from others doing the same or dramatizing what had been
done to them, and
2.) others who had it done to them first, and later dramatized it.
Notice it doesn't stick to anyone to have an overt done to them if
they themselves are clean. Worse case they 'heal', best case it goes
right through them. None the less the originator is now guilty of the
ATTEMPT, and when the same thing is done to him it will stick and not
heal. He sticks it in order to justify having done it and to restrain
doing it again. Justify and Restrain.
Electra says that's the Big Joke, he justifies it by saying it was
right to do, but then he restrains it because he regrets it! Both the
justification and the restraint are powered by the regret.
Those that had it done to them first, don't have it stick to them
until after they dramatize it later on another, either clean or guilty,
then the original event that happened to them before they dramatized it,
sticks to them as justification for having dramatized it, and restraint on
doing it again.
When it was first done to them, it went through them or it healed,
but once they dramatize it on others LATER, then it sticks to them, they
unheal, and they never get rid of the wound of what was done to them,
EARLIER.
Those that originated the overt first, when someone does it back to
them, will have the incoming overt stick to them and they will place it
BEFORE the overt they originated in order again to justify their
unprovoked DED, and also to restrain doing it again.
(DED = unprovoked overt act, *NOT* DEserveD by the recipient)
This is all Electra nonsense, I have no idea if its true.
Electra seemed to like to track Hubbard this thought, but she
went to great extents to flesh it out in detail.
Clearly the idea an overt on another between two sovereign
beings is ludicrous on the face of it, each must be postulating
that the other could hurt and did hurt him.
The game of 'you hurt me' has been going on for a long time, but
the firstg overt was to claim someone committed an overt on you when
they hadn't. So its a bit twisty.
Running overts has never gone as far as I thought it would in
session.
> I'm a terrible mother,I don't even have a license to breed (grin)
>
>>how do you think I got mine? :)
>
> You borrowed Phil Scott's?
Phil's mother was quite reasonable compared to mine.
Being the Victim Son, *NO ONE* has a worse mother than I.
In fact Electra said one way to access the early unrememberable
areas of child hood is to run "What have I done to a child as a mother."
In this or a past life.
That will eventually bring up what my mother did to me, and why I
am holding onto it.
Your milage may vary.
Frankly I think the first overt was going up to someone and trying
to audit them with what questions, in particular who did what to whom
questions.
The insane decision to protest or regret dones is pretty close to
the source of insanity.
No one is 'putting it there' in a while, they are too busy trying
to unput it there forever.
And that changing a while into a forever/never might very well be
the first overt and the original cause of persistence.
Who cares who did what to whom, y'all chose don't you see?
Blaming others is a DED against yourself as it denies your
responsibility for the other being there and agent in your
dream.
And maybe we did that out of some weird divine aesthetic to be an
'innocent victim' for a while.
Down here that kind of thinking may not be too workable, but if you
want to get out of here, its the only way out.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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HOW TO END UNWANTED GAMES
Homer:
>> This flip flop from creating and orchestrating virtual realities
>> into believing those virtual realities to be actualities is how beings
>> create and play games in space/time game streams.
WILKA (freesolo@freenet.de) wrote:
>...how to END those Games, which Individual I-AMs and/or Groups of, found
>unpleasant ?
I can only give you the answer that both Hubbard and Adore give:
"The way out, is the way in." -Adore
"The creature can become the creator at will. The way for the
creature to become the creator is to BE the creator becoming the
creature." -Adore
By recreating coming into a game, you put yourself out, because you
have to be out to come in.
Trying to get out, puts you in, because you have to be in to try to
get out.
Trying to get in, puts you out, because you have to be out to get
in.
Thus ending a game involves recreating the moment of creating the
game, which includes the intention and aesthetics and the fore-knowing
if there was any, and the postulates that made the game, and then the
effort and intention to jump into the game by operating the various
consideration/observation flip flops we have been discussing here.
This is hardest when a being has created a game that he "couldn't
have, shouldn't have, wouldn't have" ever created. That sticks him in a
"I didn't start it," so he becomes stuck at trying to stop it. He can't
stop what he can't start, because the way to stop anything is to
practice starting it thus perfectly duplicating the original moment of
creation.
Trying to start something assumes it is stopped etc.
Once one is at the start point, one can simply changing one's mind
and not continue it.
Thus Hubbard said the being goes psycho at the exact moment he
becomes totally devoted to stopping something. He no longer has his
finger on start, so he can't stop, and thus gets stuck in must stop,
can't stop forever.
Or at least until he wakes up to his error.
It's like a chinese finger trap, the way in is the way out. Trying
to get out sticks you in. Pushing in, allows you to get out.
This forms a kind of catch-22 with games, namely that the moment a
being tries to back out of a game, he gets stuck in it, but the moment
he tries to get into the game, he tends to wake up out of it.
Thus beings had the problem of how to stay in the game, they kept
waking up. So they made the game unpleasant so that once they were in
it, they would be DEVOTED to getting out, and thus guaranteeing they
would stay in.
This was all as intended.
Look for the "couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't" point of any stuck
game to find the lock the being left beind him to make sure he stayed in
the game.
Homer
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Homer:
>> This flip flop from creating and orchestrating virtual realities
>> into believing those virtual realities to be actualities is how beings
>> create and play games in space/time game streams.
WILKA (freesolo@freenet.de) wrote:
>...how to END those Games, which Individual I-AMs and/or Groups of, found
>unpleasant ?
I can only give you the answer that both Hubbard and Adore give:
"The way out, is the way in." -Adore
"The creature can become the creator at will. The way for the
creature to become the creator is to BE the creator becoming the
creature." -Adore
By recreating coming into a game, you put yourself out, because you
have to be out to come in.
Trying to get out, puts you in, because you have to be in to try to
get out.
Trying to get in, puts you out, because you have to be out to get
in.
Thus ending a game involves recreating the moment of creating the
game, which includes the intention and aesthetics and the fore-knowing
if there was any, and the postulates that made the game, and then the
effort and intention to jump into the game by operating the various
consideration/observation flip flops we have been discussing here.
This is hardest when a being has created a game that he "couldn't
have, shouldn't have, wouldn't have" ever created. That sticks him in a
"I didn't start it," so he becomes stuck at trying to stop it. He can't
stop what he can't start, because the way to stop anything is to
practice starting it thus perfectly duplicating the original moment of
creation.
Trying to start something assumes it is stopped etc.
Once one is at the start point, one can simply changing one's mind
and not continue it.
Thus Hubbard said the being goes psycho at the exact moment he
becomes totally devoted to stopping something. He no longer has his
finger on start, so he can't stop, and thus gets stuck in must stop,
can't stop forever.
Or at least until he wakes up to his error.
It's like a chinese finger trap, the way in is the way out. Trying
to get out sticks you in. Pushing in, allows you to get out.
This forms a kind of catch-22 with games, namely that the moment a
being tries to back out of a game, he gets stuck in it, but the moment
he tries to get into the game, he tends to wake up out of it.
Thus beings had the problem of how to stay in the game, they kept
waking up. So they made the game unpleasant so that once they were in
it, they would be DEVOTED to getting out, and thus guaranteeing they
would stay in.
This was all as intended.
Look for the "couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't" point of any stuck
game to find the lock the being left beind him to make sure he stayed in
the game.
Homer
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POSTULATES
Every being has the inalienable right to make his own postulates for
the greatest good of the greatest number, according to his own true desire
and wisdom at the time.
Balancing that right is the duty to take full responsibility for the
consequences.
Anyone who abdicates that right and duty becomes subsumed by
whom they have abdicated to.
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POSTULATES
Every being has the inalienable right to make his own postulates for
the greatest good of the greatest number, according to his own true desire
and wisdom at the time.
Balancing that right is the duty to take full responsibility for the
consequences.
Anyone who abdicates that right and duty becomes subsumed by
whom they have abdicated to.
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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