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COPS AND THE CONSTITUTION
Do not look to a cop to understand constitutional issues.
Cops work for the government who filters out those who can.
The government is fundamentally anti constitutional, they are
interested only in their own security and persistence through financial
gain and power for its own sake.
Thus the only part of 'constitution' the government understands is
a police state.
That makes cops feel warm and fuzzy inside because it implies job
security as long as they obey orders without question and gives them
their license to violence which they crave so deeply.
The government will claim that they need to protect and serve
themselves, at your expense and collateral damage, in order to protect and
serve you.
Thus we have peace and security through silence and compliance,
which is a corrupt government's one and only modus operandi for
appearing to serve the people when in fact it is serving itself at the
expense of the people.
At some point, when the people begin to question the government and
its level of collateral damage to person, property and rights, and
alternative governments begin to vie for attention promising less
collateral damage, the incumbent government will call them terrorists,
not because they terrorize the people, but because they terrorize THE
GOVERNMENT.
Understand this now.
Man times when somsone says they have to hurt you to help you
without your permission and at the point of a gun, they really want to
help themseves at your expense.
The definintion of evil is:
Saying something is good for you, when in fact it is good for THEM
and bad for you, and they know it.
Dig it and don't leave it.
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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THE SCALE OF DISCOUNT
ACT - 18
15 September 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
The following is taken from ADORE, which in turn stole most of it
from Transactional Analysis.
You will find most people on this scale somewhere as regards to
their major ruin in life. It also applies between parent and child.
Child goes "I got a problem', parent goes, "What problem, there's no
problem!'
DEAD
There is NO PROBLEM.
There is a PROBLEM but NO SOLUTION.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION but NO ONE WILL EVER FIND IT.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and SOMEONE MAY FIND IT.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and SOMEONE WILL FIND IT but NOT ME.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and I may FIND IT.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and I will FIND IT.
There is a SOLUTION but NO PROBLEM so I will CREATE ONE.
There is NO SOLUTION and NO PROBLEM
and
I CAN and MAY or MAY NOT CREATE EITHER.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT a PROBLEM IS.
There is also,
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and ONLY I will find it.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and ONLY I won't find it.
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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THE SCALE OF DISCOUNT
ACT - 18
15 September 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
The following is taken from ADORE, which in turn stole most of it
from Transactional Analysis.
You will find most people on this scale somewhere as regards to
their major ruin in life. It also applies between parent and child.
Child goes "I got a problem', parent goes, "What problem, there's no
problem!'
DEAD
There is NO PROBLEM.
There is a PROBLEM but NO SOLUTION.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION but NO ONE WILL EVER FIND IT.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and SOMEONE MAY FIND IT.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and SOMEONE WILL FIND IT but NOT ME.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and I may FIND IT.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and I will FIND IT.
There is a SOLUTION but NO PROBLEM so I will CREATE ONE.
There is NO SOLUTION and NO PROBLEM
and
I CAN and MAY or MAY NOT CREATE EITHER.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT a PROBLEM IS.
There is also,
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and ONLY I will find it.
There is a PROBLEM and a SOLUTION and ONLY I won't find it.
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SIN
From the proof's point of view the only sin is to preach separation
of God and Soul.
The proof says that two different objects can never be certain of
each other.
THE PROOF http://www.lightlink.com/theproof
Thus if God and Soul are two different objects, neither could ever
know for sure the other exists.
The problem with mocking up a God that created the soul, is it
places the soul at effect. This God is bigger and more powerful than
the Soul, so the Soul can no longer consider that it mocked up God, but
has to consider that God mocked up the Soul.
That's EVIL you see?
EVIL is something which exists which the soul did not mockup nor
agree to. This violates the sovereignty of the soul and hands it over
to something else. The soul is owned at that point.
Every time the soul thinks of this thing that created him, he gets
monster feelings.
Further once the Soul imagines a God the creator, he then imagines
a Devil, which is ALSO BIGGER THAN THE SOUL IS.
Thus the only way the Soul can deal with the Devil is to appeal to
God to help or save him.
This places a double whammy of being an effect on the Soul.
The soul tries to pray to God for help, as if God doesn't already
know the soul's plight, and eventually the Soul goes into propitiation
towards God, "I'll do anything!", begging for salvation from troubles in
this life, and the afterlife.
But underlying this propitiation the soul is madder than hell that
God created him in the first place without his permission, and dumped
him into the Devil's play ground, again without his permission, as some
kind of test or gladiatorial spectacle.
This reduces all of creation and God itself to a matter of
behavior. The good and the strong are worthy, the Devilish and the weak
are not.
And we can understand perhaps the desire to test a being's 'free
will' by seeing how it will behave, but frankly if a soul has a truly
free will why would we expect it to be constrained by limiting concepts
of good and evil, sensitive and insensitive, compassionate and
mercilessness?
Wouldn't we WANT the 'free will' to be not so free but constrained
instead by the desire to do what is best for those it loves?
And if we grant the soul the ability to choose between the desire
to do what is best or do what is worst, what desire then will guide the
soul's choice of which desire it chooses?
In the end nothing is free of its own nature, and thus a soul
either cares and gives a damn or it doesn't. A truly free will would be
undetermined by anything and its actions thus random. Such a will would
be considered evil anyhow as there are many more ways to hurt and harm
than there are to help.
Truly free undetermined randomness would be a nightmare.
A free will then is merely one that can turn left if it wants to.
The question is left open why a will wants to or wants anything at
all.
The ultimate choice is between pleasure and pain, and no will of
any kind will ever choose pain for itself except as a way to pleasure,
the question remains then how this will relates to OTHER wills, with
sensitivity to their pain also, or with cold hard hearted ness.
One has to ask why any will would choose a life of hate when it
could have a life of love.
That question has an answer, you might want to look into your own
soul for the answer.
In any case, back to so called God testing souls and their use of
their 'free will', does it make sense to let those that fail the test,
those who rape, kill and suck blood, who take what other's produce and
produce nothing of their own, fail it by harming the good who are doing
well? If the good go bad from being beaten by the bad unjustly, do they
fail as well?
And what of the good who suffer the gauntlet of the bad,
what is their test? And is it fair?
And does God enjoy hearing the screams of those who opposed him
forever and ever?
Pretty sick eh? Not as sick as the people who believe this stuff
and teach it to little children as a CONTROL mechanism.
Creation is much more than behavior, and if there is a God, he
wouldn't be a God concerned with behavior.
And if a HUMAN made a universe and a Devil, and created beings and
dumped them in that universe to suffer the consequences without their
permission, and told them all, those of you who obey me will sit by me
in heaven forever, and those that disobey me will burn in hell forever,
and you had better turn the other cheek or else, well such a human would
be considered criminally insane.
So just so, that kind of God is criminally insane.
The truth is YOU ARE both God and the Devil, and every time you
pray to God to save you from the Devil, you are denying your own
responsibility and power for and over your own condition, committing
effort thought, emotion and irresponsibility for condition to separation
of God and Soul, and that seals your fate, BECAUSE IF YOU AND GOD AND
THE DEVIL ARE TWO DIFFERENT OBJECTS, NONE OF YOU CAN EVER KNOW THE OTHER
EXISTS WITH PERFECT CERTAINTY.
Thus you ARE God in carnation, and so who is testing who
how, for what reason, and to what final end?
Homer
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SIN
From the proof's point of view the only sin is to preach separation
of God and Soul.
The proof says that two different objects can never be certain of
each other.
THE PROOF http://www.lightlink.com/theproof
Thus if God and Soul are two different objects, neither could ever
know for sure the other exists.
The problem with mocking up a God that created the soul, is it
places the soul at effect. This God is bigger and more powerful than
the Soul, so the Soul can no longer consider that it mocked up God, but
has to consider that God mocked up the Soul.
That's EVIL you see?
EVIL is something which exists which the soul did not mockup nor
agree to. This violates the sovereignty of the soul and hands it over
to something else. The soul is owned at that point.
Every time the soul thinks of this thing that created him, he gets
monster feelings.
Further once the Soul imagines a God the creator, he then imagines
a Devil, which is ALSO BIGGER THAN THE SOUL IS.
Thus the only way the Soul can deal with the Devil is to appeal to
God to help or save him.
This places a double whammy of being an effect on the Soul.
The soul tries to pray to God for help, as if God doesn't already
know the soul's plight, and eventually the Soul goes into propitiation
towards God, "I'll do anything!", begging for salvation from troubles in
this life, and the afterlife.
But underlying this propitiation the soul is madder than hell that
God created him in the first place without his permission, and dumped
him into the Devil's play ground, again without his permission, as some
kind of test or gladiatorial spectacle.
This reduces all of creation and God itself to a matter of
behavior. The good and the strong are worthy, the Devilish and the weak
are not.
And we can understand perhaps the desire to test a being's 'free
will' by seeing how it will behave, but frankly if a soul has a truly
free will why would we expect it to be constrained by limiting concepts
of good and evil, sensitive and insensitive, compassionate and
mercilessness?
Wouldn't we WANT the 'free will' to be not so free but constrained
instead by the desire to do what is best for those it loves?
And if we grant the soul the ability to choose between the desire
to do what is best or do what is worst, what desire then will guide the
soul's choice of which desire it chooses?
In the end nothing is free of its own nature, and thus a soul
either cares and gives a damn or it doesn't. A truly free will would be
undetermined by anything and its actions thus random. Such a will would
be considered evil anyhow as there are many more ways to hurt and harm
than there are to help.
Truly free undetermined randomness would be a nightmare.
A free will then is merely one that can turn left if it wants to.
The question is left open why a will wants to or wants anything at
all.
The ultimate choice is between pleasure and pain, and no will of
any kind will ever choose pain for itself except as a way to pleasure,
the question remains then how this will relates to OTHER wills, with
sensitivity to their pain also, or with cold hard hearted ness.
One has to ask why any will would choose a life of hate when it
could have a life of love.
That question has an answer, you might want to look into your own
soul for the answer.
In any case, back to so called God testing souls and their use of
their 'free will', does it make sense to let those that fail the test,
those who rape, kill and suck blood, who take what other's produce and
produce nothing of their own, fail it by harming the good who are doing
well? If the good go bad from being beaten by the bad unjustly, do they
fail as well?
And what of the good who suffer the gauntlet of the bad,
what is their test? And is it fair?
And does God enjoy hearing the screams of those who opposed him
forever and ever?
Pretty sick eh? Not as sick as the people who believe this stuff
and teach it to little children as a CONTROL mechanism.
Creation is much more than behavior, and if there is a God, he
wouldn't be a God concerned with behavior.
And if a HUMAN made a universe and a Devil, and created beings and
dumped them in that universe to suffer the consequences without their
permission, and told them all, those of you who obey me will sit by me
in heaven forever, and those that disobey me will burn in hell forever,
and you had better turn the other cheek or else, well such a human would
be considered criminally insane.
So just so, that kind of God is criminally insane.
The truth is YOU ARE both God and the Devil, and every time you
pray to God to save you from the Devil, you are denying your own
responsibility and power for and over your own condition, committing
effort thought, emotion and irresponsibility for condition to separation
of God and Soul, and that seals your fate, BECAUSE IF YOU AND GOD AND
THE DEVIL ARE TWO DIFFERENT OBJECTS, NONE OF YOU CAN EVER KNOW THE OTHER
EXISTS WITH PERFECT CERTAINTY.
Thus you ARE God in carnation, and so who is testing who
how, for what reason, and to what final end?
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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DEMONSTRATION OF OT POWERS
Look if YOU want to demonstrate OT powers and become a matter of
national security overnight, fine do so.
But asking or demanding that others do so is stupid to the point of
being evil.
Anyone who gives in to the temptation deserves what they get, but
their friends probably don't.
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Look if YOU want to demonstrate OT powers and become a matter of
national security overnight, fine do so.
But asking or demanding that others do so is stupid to the point of
being evil.
Anyone who gives in to the temptation deserves what they get, but
their friends probably don't.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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GUARDIAN DICOMS
A dicom is a DIchotomy of Comparable and Opposite Magnitude.
Dicoms usually come in pairs of 4.
NO STATIC - SOME STATIC
NO KINETIC - SOME KINETIC
Although we like to think that HATE is the opposite of LOVE, for
our purposes the true opposite of LOVE is NO LOVE.
NO LOVE is either pretended NO LOVE at not-isness on the tone
scale, or it is actual NO LOVE at as-isness on the tone scale. The
first will read and run, the second will float.
However since love and hate seem to be related as opposites we can
form the auditing pair:
NO LOVE - SOME LOVE
NO HATE - SOME HATE
The primary dicom is
NO - SOME
This can be normalized for auditing purposes to:
NO NO - SOME NO
NO SOME - SOME SOME
NO NO means not-ising not-ising, no longer being aware
of not-ising. At SOME NO, the being would be aware of
not-ising.
NO SOME means not-ising isness. SOME SOME means aware
of isness.
When specific items won't read, one can often find the
next item by running NO and SOME without any item attached. That
runs the next item in line until it appears or another runnable
item appears instead.
A basic generic item pair is:
NO THING - SOME THING
English plays with this to create a dicom of the form
NOTHING - SOMETHING
To normalize it to our auditing standards and to allow it to run
successfully we need to run
NO NOTHING - SOME NOTHING
NO SOMETHING - SOME SOMETHING
This allows us to run thetans and their creations.
Remember that a thetan experiences itself as a nothing there, and
its creations as a something there.
This is a reversal of the truth which is that the thetan is the
only something there is, and its creations are glow in the dark nothings
in the thetan's substrate of self.
Imagine a phosphorescent rock sitting in the dark, not glowing.
It's a something there, but is experienced as a nothing there.
Then we shine a UV lamp on it for a few seconds and remove it.
Suddenly the rock is glowing red, green, blue and white in the
dark.
Now it is experienced as something there, but the change from
'nothing there' to 'something there' is no where as substantial as the
original something that was there when the rock was not glowing at all.
In other words a change from not glowing to glowing is not a
significant change from nothing there to something there.
While the change from the absence of a thetan to a presence of a
thetan is a significant change from nothing there to something there.
So even though the thetan experiences itself as 'nothing there', it
is in fact the only something there that can be, except perhaps for the
Source substrate that unifies all thetans into one operating organism.
The conscious experiences of MEST that thetan considers are
'something there', are no more there than when they are off.
What's there is still there, namely thetan and Source.
Source will always be there whether or not it is glowing in the
night of the void with conscious experiences.
Void that you can see and void that you can not see is still the
same void, no change in stuff.
A thetan that is sound asleep in the Big Snooze and manifesting
absolutely nothing, is still as much a something there as when he is
awake and spewing conscious experiences all over the place.
By the way the glowing of the void as conscious experience is not
the result of emmanation of photons.
The void is self luminous.
Thus whether it is glowing as something there (color) or nothing
there (darkness), the void is still there. It may have changed state,
but it hasn't changed whether it is still there.
The static therefore, although experienced as nothing there, is
actual and very much there, just not in space and time which are
glowings of self luminosity in the substrate of the static.
SHORT DETOUR INTO THE PROOF
Space is a viewpoint of dimension. The viewpoint has no dimension,
and the dimension it sees has no actual dimension either. In other words
you don't need to have a 3 dimensional space to experience 3 dimensions.
A self luminous mockup of a 3 dimensional rock doesn't, AS A
MOCKUP, take up any actual space or time.
Mockups are pictures OF space and time and do not themselves take
up any space or time.
Hyenas can't handle that one, they will demand you prove it.
They consider it the extraordinary claim, but the claim that
mockups of space and time DO take up actual space and time OR that there
is actual space and time in which to put a mockup, is the more
extraordinary.
But you know a hyena, 6 billion hyenas can't be wrong!
Except on Earth. The incredibility and preposterousness of it all
protects the dreamball theory completely from discovery and acceptance.
Self luminous (glow in the dark) mockups of 3 dimensional objects
are themselves zero dimensional.
A 3 dimensional object couldn't ever be self luminous.
In fact a 3 dimensional object could never be SEEN no matter how
many photons it emmanated, because the see-er and seen would be
separated by a space time distance and thus be two different objects.
One is always seeing A by looking at something A emmanated when A is
separated from the see-er. Thus one never actually sees *A*, only the
something else.
Sorry two different objects can never see each other nor know about
each other with certainty.
Thus if God and Soul are two different objects, they will never
know about each other with certainty.
No object can ever see another object different from itself.
True space or time between two objects makes them different from
each other, and therefore blind to each other via direct self luminous
perception.
Therefore if you can see it, self luminousness means zero
dimensional. Conscious mockups which you can't see aren't emmanating
anything at you, you see them as they are directly, they are zero
emmission visuals. Nothing in the alleged physical space time universe
can do this.
Thus during the running of NOTHING and SOMETHING, your pc's
conception of what is nothing and what is something will change
dramatically all over the place. That is TA motion coming off the case
and charge running out from an eternity of lies.
GUARDIAN DICOMS
Guardian dicoms are those dicoms that make it hard or impossible
for a pc to make case gain.
Case gain is basically recognizing that one was completely wrong,
and getting right.
But the pc finds out he was SO wrong, he develops a problem about
it, and thus can not change his mind any more.
His willingness and acceptance levels on being wrong can be easily
exceeded.
"If I am a god, why would I have DISGRACED myself so?"
NO GRACE - SOME GRACE
NO DISGRACE - SOME DISGRACE
"I will never live it down."
He still doesn't really know WHAT he will never live down, but he
is quite sure he won't!
Thus during auditing the pc will run into the 'wall of
preposterousness', and suddenly go flying out of session.
He just ran out of permission to go any further because 'this is
all nuts you know.'
NO PERMISSION - SOME PERMISSION
NO FORBIDDEN - SOME FORBIDDEN
He will be able to audit this life which seems 'normal' to him, but
ask him to take it earlier similar back to whole track and you will get
balk.
NO NORMAL - SOME NORMAL
NO PARANORMAL - SOME PARANORMAL
It is quite acceptable to him that his conscious Self is made of
pieces and parts tick tocking away, but the idea that his Self is the
fundamental indivisible stuff of which the AllThatIs is made gives him
the willies.
"It's too good to be true, I would just die of shame..."
Maybe he will go whole track for a few seconds, but then something
will creep up on him and say "Hey I don't BELIEVE in whole track, this
is REDICULOUS, how can I be auditing this stuff?!"
NO BELIEF - SOME BELIEF
NO DISBELIEF - SOME DISBELIEF
NO REDICULOUS - SOME REDICULOUS
At that moment the needle packs up, the TA freezes, and that's the
end of that session, until the guardian dicom that was restimulated is
addressed AS IT SELF.
He has a problem in choice. If the world is a dream, and the pc
has lived before this life, then he had to have made a CHOICE to come
into the body and become mortal.
NO CHOICE - SOME CHOICE
But try as me may he doesn't remember that choice, nor any part of
the CONTEXT surrounding it.
Why on Earth would anyone chose to BECOME a body?
Having and owning one like a dog might be nice, riding one around
like a horse could be fun, but to BECOME ONE and forget everything that
isn't a body, and toss one's sovereignty out the door to the dust and
the winds?
That's NUTS!
So
NO NUTS - SOME NUTS
becomes a guardian dicom.
These things are so powerful, that when he runs into them they
DEFINE truth for him.
There is certainly no arguing with them.
After crashing into the wall of preposterousness at full speed
while trying to go exterior, he will come away KNOWING that
exteriorization is preposterous!
It's a kind of knowing by emoting, it surely isn't scientific, but
your pc isn't interested in scientific rigor at that moment, he just
wants to salvage some respect for himself which he can't do by giving
any credence at all to this nonsense!
NO RESPECT - SOME RESPECT
NO CONTEMPT - SOME CONTEMPT
NO NONSENSE - SOME NONSENSE
NO SENSE - SOME SENSE
NO CREDIBLE - SOME CREDIBLE
NO INCREDIBLE - SOME INCREDIBLE
There are a lot of guardian dicoms.
Every time your pc runs into one of these trying to go wholetrack,
or imagining being out of his body, there will be a phrase associated
with it that will hit the pc BEFORE the knowing by emoting.
By giving credence to the phrase, going into wonder and question
asking about whether it is right or not, he thus amplifies the feeling
that goes with it into a overwhelm of acceptance.
Idea will come up such as:
"It's too good to be true.
"I would die from shock if I found out..."
"I would go SPLAT all over native state..."
"I would go crazy if it were true."
"I will die of chagrin and shame."
He can't stand the thought of his hope going soaring up into the
sky, just to be crushed down to the ground again.
NO OPERATION - SOME OPERATION
NO CRUSH - SOME CRUSH
"How would I ever live it down, I was God in carnation and here I
thought for the longest time I was a hyena!"
To some it is not clear whether a hyena will ever live it down, but
to be frank, just have them mockup God incarnating as a dung beetle or
dingle berry on Roland's ass.
They will eventually cognite that everyone is an asshole bar none,
no matter how high their pedestal in the pecking order of admiration.
They will cognite that Source sources what Source is not, and thus
God incarnates as what God is not, and yet God loves himself one and
all.
It's a new view.
Here are some remaining guardian dicoms which you must look out for
when you pc balks in session from making real case gain.
NO DOUBT - SOME DOUBT
NO CERTAINTY - SOME CERTAINTY
NO UNCERTAINTY - SOME UNCERTAINTY
NO DECISION - SOME DECISION
NO INDECISION - SOME INDECISION
NO POSSIBILITY - SOME POSSIBILITY
NO IMPOSSIBILITY - SOME IMPOSSIBILITY
NO NATURAL - SOME NATURAL
NO UNNATURAL - SOME UNNATURAL
NO PERMISSION - SOME PERMISSION
NO FORBIDDEN - SOME FORBIDDEN
"Fools rush in, where Angels dare not tread, and Gods go
screaming for their Mama." - Adore
NO FOOL - SOME FOOL
NO WISDOM - SOME WISDOM
NO WONDER - SOME WONDER
NO QUESTION - SOME QUESTION
NO ANSWER - SOME ANSWER
NO ABILITY - SOME ABILITY
NO INABILITY - SOME INABILITY
NO WILLINGESS - SOME WILLINGNESS
NO UNWILLINGESS - SOME UNWILLINGNESS
NO REDICULOUS - SOME REDICULOUS
NO PREPOSTEROUS - SOME PREPOSTEROUS
NO DIVINE - SOME DIVINE
NO HOLY - SOME HOLY
NO LUDICROUS - SOME LUDICROUS
NO TRAGEDY - SOME TRAGEDY
NO TRAVESTY - SOME TRAVESTY
NO MIRACLE - SOME MIRACLE
NO FAITH - SOME FAITH
NO FAITHLESSNESS - SOME FAITHLESSNESS
NO UNDREAMED DREAM COME TRUE - SOME UNDREAMED DREAM COME TRUE
NO BETRAYAL - SOME BETRAYAL
NO CONFRONT - SOME CONFRONT
NO FLINCH - SOME FLINCH
NO CRINGE - SOME CRINGE
NO COURAGE - SOME COURAGE
NO COWARDICE - SOME COWARDICE
NO BELIEF - SOME BELIEF
NO DISBELIEF - SOME DISBELIEF
NO DESIRE - SOME DESIRE
NO HOPE - SOME HOPE
NO DARING - SOME DARING
NO DARE NOT - SOME DARE NOT
NO STUPIFYINGLY ASTOUNDING - SOME STUPIFYINGLY ASTOUNDING
NO DANGER - SOME DANGER
NO SAFETY - SOME SAFETY
Operation of dicoms generates power.
This last one is the warp core, but won't run until all other
guardians are cleared.
Games that have no danger or safety are not games, they are a
dance.
Thus in trying to reoptimize a pc's games, you are trying to move
danger/safety upscale to where real power and courage can be generated.
That's where the E-meter starts to float and the pc has his proof.
Pray that the poor auditor can stand it.
Homer
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GUARDIAN DICOMS
A dicom is a DIchotomy of Comparable and Opposite Magnitude.
Dicoms usually come in pairs of 4.
NO STATIC - SOME STATIC
NO KINETIC - SOME KINETIC
Although we like to think that HATE is the opposite of LOVE, for
our purposes the true opposite of LOVE is NO LOVE.
NO LOVE is either pretended NO LOVE at not-isness on the tone
scale, or it is actual NO LOVE at as-isness on the tone scale. The
first will read and run, the second will float.
However since love and hate seem to be related as opposites we can
form the auditing pair:
NO LOVE - SOME LOVE
NO HATE - SOME HATE
The primary dicom is
NO - SOME
This can be normalized for auditing purposes to:
NO NO - SOME NO
NO SOME - SOME SOME
NO NO means not-ising not-ising, no longer being aware
of not-ising. At SOME NO, the being would be aware of
not-ising.
NO SOME means not-ising isness. SOME SOME means aware
of isness.
When specific items won't read, one can often find the
next item by running NO and SOME without any item attached. That
runs the next item in line until it appears or another runnable
item appears instead.
A basic generic item pair is:
NO THING - SOME THING
English plays with this to create a dicom of the form
NOTHING - SOMETHING
To normalize it to our auditing standards and to allow it to run
successfully we need to run
NO NOTHING - SOME NOTHING
NO SOMETHING - SOME SOMETHING
This allows us to run thetans and their creations.
Remember that a thetan experiences itself as a nothing there, and
its creations as a something there.
This is a reversal of the truth which is that the thetan is the
only something there is, and its creations are glow in the dark nothings
in the thetan's substrate of self.
Imagine a phosphorescent rock sitting in the dark, not glowing.
It's a something there, but is experienced as a nothing there.
Then we shine a UV lamp on it for a few seconds and remove it.
Suddenly the rock is glowing red, green, blue and white in the
dark.
Now it is experienced as something there, but the change from
'nothing there' to 'something there' is no where as substantial as the
original something that was there when the rock was not glowing at all.
In other words a change from not glowing to glowing is not a
significant change from nothing there to something there.
While the change from the absence of a thetan to a presence of a
thetan is a significant change from nothing there to something there.
So even though the thetan experiences itself as 'nothing there', it
is in fact the only something there that can be, except perhaps for the
Source substrate that unifies all thetans into one operating organism.
The conscious experiences of MEST that thetan considers are
'something there', are no more there than when they are off.
What's there is still there, namely thetan and Source.
Source will always be there whether or not it is glowing in the
night of the void with conscious experiences.
Void that you can see and void that you can not see is still the
same void, no change in stuff.
A thetan that is sound asleep in the Big Snooze and manifesting
absolutely nothing, is still as much a something there as when he is
awake and spewing conscious experiences all over the place.
By the way the glowing of the void as conscious experience is not
the result of emmanation of photons.
The void is self luminous.
Thus whether it is glowing as something there (color) or nothing
there (darkness), the void is still there. It may have changed state,
but it hasn't changed whether it is still there.
The static therefore, although experienced as nothing there, is
actual and very much there, just not in space and time which are
glowings of self luminosity in the substrate of the static.
SHORT DETOUR INTO THE PROOF
Space is a viewpoint of dimension. The viewpoint has no dimension,
and the dimension it sees has no actual dimension either. In other words
you don't need to have a 3 dimensional space to experience 3 dimensions.
A self luminous mockup of a 3 dimensional rock doesn't, AS A
MOCKUP, take up any actual space or time.
Mockups are pictures OF space and time and do not themselves take
up any space or time.
Hyenas can't handle that one, they will demand you prove it.
They consider it the extraordinary claim, but the claim that
mockups of space and time DO take up actual space and time OR that there
is actual space and time in which to put a mockup, is the more
extraordinary.
But you know a hyena, 6 billion hyenas can't be wrong!
Except on Earth. The incredibility and preposterousness of it all
protects the dreamball theory completely from discovery and acceptance.
Self luminous (glow in the dark) mockups of 3 dimensional objects
are themselves zero dimensional.
A 3 dimensional object couldn't ever be self luminous.
In fact a 3 dimensional object could never be SEEN no matter how
many photons it emmanated, because the see-er and seen would be
separated by a space time distance and thus be two different objects.
One is always seeing A by looking at something A emmanated when A is
separated from the see-er. Thus one never actually sees *A*, only the
something else.
Sorry two different objects can never see each other nor know about
each other with certainty.
Thus if God and Soul are two different objects, they will never
know about each other with certainty.
No object can ever see another object different from itself.
True space or time between two objects makes them different from
each other, and therefore blind to each other via direct self luminous
perception.
Therefore if you can see it, self luminousness means zero
dimensional. Conscious mockups which you can't see aren't emmanating
anything at you, you see them as they are directly, they are zero
emmission visuals. Nothing in the alleged physical space time universe
can do this.
Thus during the running of NOTHING and SOMETHING, your pc's
conception of what is nothing and what is something will change
dramatically all over the place. That is TA motion coming off the case
and charge running out from an eternity of lies.
GUARDIAN DICOMS
Guardian dicoms are those dicoms that make it hard or impossible
for a pc to make case gain.
Case gain is basically recognizing that one was completely wrong,
and getting right.
But the pc finds out he was SO wrong, he develops a problem about
it, and thus can not change his mind any more.
His willingness and acceptance levels on being wrong can be easily
exceeded.
"If I am a god, why would I have DISGRACED myself so?"
NO GRACE - SOME GRACE
NO DISGRACE - SOME DISGRACE
"I will never live it down."
He still doesn't really know WHAT he will never live down, but he
is quite sure he won't!
Thus during auditing the pc will run into the 'wall of
preposterousness', and suddenly go flying out of session.
He just ran out of permission to go any further because 'this is
all nuts you know.'
NO PERMISSION - SOME PERMISSION
NO FORBIDDEN - SOME FORBIDDEN
He will be able to audit this life which seems 'normal' to him, but
ask him to take it earlier similar back to whole track and you will get
balk.
NO NORMAL - SOME NORMAL
NO PARANORMAL - SOME PARANORMAL
It is quite acceptable to him that his conscious Self is made of
pieces and parts tick tocking away, but the idea that his Self is the
fundamental indivisible stuff of which the AllThatIs is made gives him
the willies.
"It's too good to be true, I would just die of shame..."
Maybe he will go whole track for a few seconds, but then something
will creep up on him and say "Hey I don't BELIEVE in whole track, this
is REDICULOUS, how can I be auditing this stuff?!"
NO BELIEF - SOME BELIEF
NO DISBELIEF - SOME DISBELIEF
NO REDICULOUS - SOME REDICULOUS
At that moment the needle packs up, the TA freezes, and that's the
end of that session, until the guardian dicom that was restimulated is
addressed AS IT SELF.
He has a problem in choice. If the world is a dream, and the pc
has lived before this life, then he had to have made a CHOICE to come
into the body and become mortal.
NO CHOICE - SOME CHOICE
But try as me may he doesn't remember that choice, nor any part of
the CONTEXT surrounding it.
Why on Earth would anyone chose to BECOME a body?
Having and owning one like a dog might be nice, riding one around
like a horse could be fun, but to BECOME ONE and forget everything that
isn't a body, and toss one's sovereignty out the door to the dust and
the winds?
That's NUTS!
So
NO NUTS - SOME NUTS
becomes a guardian dicom.
These things are so powerful, that when he runs into them they
DEFINE truth for him.
There is certainly no arguing with them.
After crashing into the wall of preposterousness at full speed
while trying to go exterior, he will come away KNOWING that
exteriorization is preposterous!
It's a kind of knowing by emoting, it surely isn't scientific, but
your pc isn't interested in scientific rigor at that moment, he just
wants to salvage some respect for himself which he can't do by giving
any credence at all to this nonsense!
NO RESPECT - SOME RESPECT
NO CONTEMPT - SOME CONTEMPT
NO NONSENSE - SOME NONSENSE
NO SENSE - SOME SENSE
NO CREDIBLE - SOME CREDIBLE
NO INCREDIBLE - SOME INCREDIBLE
There are a lot of guardian dicoms.
Every time your pc runs into one of these trying to go wholetrack,
or imagining being out of his body, there will be a phrase associated
with it that will hit the pc BEFORE the knowing by emoting.
By giving credence to the phrase, going into wonder and question
asking about whether it is right or not, he thus amplifies the feeling
that goes with it into a overwhelm of acceptance.
Idea will come up such as:
"It's too good to be true.
"I would die from shock if I found out..."
"I would go SPLAT all over native state..."
"I would go crazy if it were true."
"I will die of chagrin and shame."
He can't stand the thought of his hope going soaring up into the
sky, just to be crushed down to the ground again.
NO OPERATION - SOME OPERATION
NO CRUSH - SOME CRUSH
"How would I ever live it down, I was God in carnation and here I
thought for the longest time I was a hyena!"
To some it is not clear whether a hyena will ever live it down, but
to be frank, just have them mockup God incarnating as a dung beetle or
dingle berry on Roland's ass.
They will eventually cognite that everyone is an asshole bar none,
no matter how high their pedestal in the pecking order of admiration.
They will cognite that Source sources what Source is not, and thus
God incarnates as what God is not, and yet God loves himself one and
all.
It's a new view.
Here are some remaining guardian dicoms which you must look out for
when you pc balks in session from making real case gain.
NO DOUBT - SOME DOUBT
NO CERTAINTY - SOME CERTAINTY
NO UNCERTAINTY - SOME UNCERTAINTY
NO DECISION - SOME DECISION
NO INDECISION - SOME INDECISION
NO POSSIBILITY - SOME POSSIBILITY
NO IMPOSSIBILITY - SOME IMPOSSIBILITY
NO NATURAL - SOME NATURAL
NO UNNATURAL - SOME UNNATURAL
NO PERMISSION - SOME PERMISSION
NO FORBIDDEN - SOME FORBIDDEN
"Fools rush in, where Angels dare not tread, and Gods go
screaming for their Mama." - Adore
NO FOOL - SOME FOOL
NO WISDOM - SOME WISDOM
NO WONDER - SOME WONDER
NO QUESTION - SOME QUESTION
NO ANSWER - SOME ANSWER
NO ABILITY - SOME ABILITY
NO INABILITY - SOME INABILITY
NO WILLINGESS - SOME WILLINGNESS
NO UNWILLINGESS - SOME UNWILLINGNESS
NO REDICULOUS - SOME REDICULOUS
NO PREPOSTEROUS - SOME PREPOSTEROUS
NO DIVINE - SOME DIVINE
NO HOLY - SOME HOLY
NO LUDICROUS - SOME LUDICROUS
NO TRAGEDY - SOME TRAGEDY
NO TRAVESTY - SOME TRAVESTY
NO MIRACLE - SOME MIRACLE
NO FAITH - SOME FAITH
NO FAITHLESSNESS - SOME FAITHLESSNESS
NO UNDREAMED DREAM COME TRUE - SOME UNDREAMED DREAM COME TRUE
NO BETRAYAL - SOME BETRAYAL
NO CONFRONT - SOME CONFRONT
NO FLINCH - SOME FLINCH
NO CRINGE - SOME CRINGE
NO COURAGE - SOME COURAGE
NO COWARDICE - SOME COWARDICE
NO BELIEF - SOME BELIEF
NO DISBELIEF - SOME DISBELIEF
NO DESIRE - SOME DESIRE
NO HOPE - SOME HOPE
NO DARING - SOME DARING
NO DARE NOT - SOME DARE NOT
NO STUPIFYINGLY ASTOUNDING - SOME STUPIFYINGLY ASTOUNDING
NO DANGER - SOME DANGER
NO SAFETY - SOME SAFETY
Operation of dicoms generates power.
This last one is the warp core, but won't run until all other
guardians are cleared.
Games that have no danger or safety are not games, they are a
dance.
Thus in trying to reoptimize a pc's games, you are trying to move
danger/safety upscale to where real power and courage can be generated.
That's where the E-meter starts to float and the pc has his proof.
Pray that the poor auditor can stand it.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SESSION NOTES
(I only use foot plates now, so much better than cans, two large
rectangular aluminmum pie plates available at any grocery store.)
Again I set up two meters, two Mark V's this time, one right handed
and one left handed, so the two dials were very close to each other in
the middle, and the TA arms were easy to reach with both hands.
Cans to the left hand meter were in my right hand, cans to the
right hand meter were in my left hand.
Quite a difference in response. Right hand cans (left hand meter)
often read earlier and deeper. I would see the left hand meter needle
go zooming into a fall, and then the right hand meter would follow
slowly lackadasically later. Reads that were instant on the left hand
meter were very latent on right hand meter.
Sometimes needles were out of sync, left hand meter would be rising
slowly and right hand meter would be falling slowly.
I have a feeling my right brain (left hands) is a bit over audited,
as the left hands is the hands I solo with. I may have been doing
better when I was using two hands, but I can't write that way only voice
record.
Most of my solo was two handed for many years until recently when I
found that I could single hand solo and write things to good effect.
Now I wonder.
In using two meters, eyes are rarely aimed at just one, thus
periphery vision comes into play. I can assess 'left brain, right
brain' and notice each meter read alone in turn.
Two meters also made the session more lively, because when one
wasn't reading, the other one would be. With one meter it would be
considered a no read. When I nailed something, often one meter would do
the blow down, and then the other would follow sort of as an after
thought.
Ta was a bit higher on one than the other. Session was about
service facs, computations, domination and suppresed
earlier/other/higher universes.
Lots of mass and tension on throat and face over this.
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SESSION NOTES
(I only use foot plates now, so much better than cans, two large
rectangular aluminmum pie plates available at any grocery store.)
Again I set up two meters, two Mark V's this time, one right handed
and one left handed, so the two dials were very close to each other in
the middle, and the TA arms were easy to reach with both hands.
Cans to the left hand meter were in my right hand, cans to the
right hand meter were in my left hand.
Quite a difference in response. Right hand cans (left hand meter)
often read earlier and deeper. I would see the left hand meter needle
go zooming into a fall, and then the right hand meter would follow
slowly lackadasically later. Reads that were instant on the left hand
meter were very latent on right hand meter.
Sometimes needles were out of sync, left hand meter would be rising
slowly and right hand meter would be falling slowly.
I have a feeling my right brain (left hands) is a bit over audited,
as the left hands is the hands I solo with. I may have been doing
better when I was using two hands, but I can't write that way only voice
record.
Most of my solo was two handed for many years until recently when I
found that I could single hand solo and write things to good effect.
Now I wonder.
In using two meters, eyes are rarely aimed at just one, thus
periphery vision comes into play. I can assess 'left brain, right
brain' and notice each meter read alone in turn.
Two meters also made the session more lively, because when one
wasn't reading, the other one would be. With one meter it would be
considered a no read. When I nailed something, often one meter would do
the blow down, and then the other would follow sort of as an after
thought.
Ta was a bit higher on one than the other. Session was about
service facs, computations, domination and suppresed
earlier/other/higher universes.
Lots of mass and tension on throat and face over this.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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DISCUSSIONS ON CONTEXT
Phil Scott (philscott888@sf.sbcglobal.net) wrote:
Homer:
>> ... 'where I am' exists within a context of space and time that
>> goes back into presumably rememberable history.
Phil:
>You either had not fully realized the insights you posted
>earlier about Static and the material construct, or you are
>trolling. If its the former please notice that you are
>validating space and time as a context for where you are...
Certainly, I am shifting viewpoints to an inside game viewpoint.
I still wish to play the game with one foot while wiggling the toes
of my other foot in the void.
For game playing purposes it is very important to have an accurate
idea of where you are, what you have done, what your true purposes are,
who or what opposes you, what debts you may owe, who is out to get you,
what abilities they have etc.
Amnesia is not useful.
>Another of Hubbies curve balls.. he threw thousands of
>them... until you spit them all out you will make gain in one
>area..... as you did on your 'static' remarks ... and your
>between the wings of the dichotomy post of 7 or 8 years
>ago....then loose them as you try to locate yourself... a
>creative entity.... in a created cluster fuck. duhhh.
Well I do it for the sake of my body and those of others.
Like Les says, we don't want to invalidate the game.
In fact once one is connected to the 'fountain head of source'
again, 'da void,' then one can start playing the game again for real
without getting lost again.
The getting lost bit was a sympathy ploy for having done wrong etc.
I done my time in hell, time to get back to building chapels to heaven,
so I have some place to play my pianos.
>> Lots of people claim to remember past lives, so I'd like to know
>> where Earth stands in local galatic history.
>Its a spec of sand on a limitless collection of oceans. its
>individual foundings are about that relevant in the larger
>scheme of things... its origins trace back to the level of sub
>atomic particles is reasonably well understood by todays
>science...and visible looking back in time via the Hubbel
>telescope...but not beyond the level of the sub atomic
>particles.
>So you question is then?
Earth has been terra formed a number of times by beings more
advanced than us.
Anyhow I am more interested in the history of the beings that are
here, where they came from, how they came to Earth, through what means,
implants, defeats, triumphs etc.
We don't exist in a vaccum, and its not as they taught us in
school.
>You want to know the unknowable to date and dont, so of all
>the nut cases in the world you chose to accept L Rong Hubbard
>as yer source of info? Pleeeze.
?
I accept no one as my source. I have asked for everyone's
experiences, hypotheses, whatever they can dig up about where we are,
how we got here, and where we are or should be going.
> You will see the sand box clearly after a time and then you
>can simply step out of it.. effortlessly and look back
>marveling how you had gotten so involved in all the jabber
>jabber, hair splits and etc.
That's what I want to know, how I got involved. It was not a one
life bumblefuck.
> Entirely correct. And these other people should maybe not wake up
>yet...their time has not come... it may never come.
Everyone's time comes one day.
> Ok .... thats correct. Few however wish to get out....
>they see their life in terms of creations, their thoughts and
>identity etc. and in scn of course process along those
>lines to beef them up.. be come 'OT'.. locate at a
>point... and project power, and be cause over the flies..
>all that is on the path south.
Yes. Seeking OT power for human motivations, mostly to protect
one's body and ownership in the game, is a trap.
Hubbard was not trying to produce that kind of OT, he wanted OT's
that could permeate, take and play boths sides of any game of defend and
protect at the same time, and invent new games forever for free so they
would never get stuck in any game at all, not even the need to play one.
OT's use their powers, create mountains etc, to design games,
they don't use them to win games.
Homer
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Phil Scott (philscott888@sf.sbcglobal.net) wrote:
Homer:
>> ... 'where I am' exists within a context of space and time that
>> goes back into presumably rememberable history.
Phil:
>You either had not fully realized the insights you posted
>earlier about Static and the material construct, or you are
>trolling. If its the former please notice that you are
>validating space and time as a context for where you are...
Certainly, I am shifting viewpoints to an inside game viewpoint.
I still wish to play the game with one foot while wiggling the toes
of my other foot in the void.
For game playing purposes it is very important to have an accurate
idea of where you are, what you have done, what your true purposes are,
who or what opposes you, what debts you may owe, who is out to get you,
what abilities they have etc.
Amnesia is not useful.
>Another of Hubbies curve balls.. he threw thousands of
>them... until you spit them all out you will make gain in one
>area..... as you did on your 'static' remarks ... and your
>between the wings of the dichotomy post of 7 or 8 years
>ago....then loose them as you try to locate yourself... a
>creative entity.... in a created cluster fuck. duhhh.
Well I do it for the sake of my body and those of others.
Like Les says, we don't want to invalidate the game.
In fact once one is connected to the 'fountain head of source'
again, 'da void,' then one can start playing the game again for real
without getting lost again.
The getting lost bit was a sympathy ploy for having done wrong etc.
I done my time in hell, time to get back to building chapels to heaven,
so I have some place to play my pianos.
>> Lots of people claim to remember past lives, so I'd like to know
>> where Earth stands in local galatic history.
>Its a spec of sand on a limitless collection of oceans. its
>individual foundings are about that relevant in the larger
>scheme of things... its origins trace back to the level of sub
>atomic particles is reasonably well understood by todays
>science...and visible looking back in time via the Hubbel
>telescope...but not beyond the level of the sub atomic
>particles.
>So you question is then?
Earth has been terra formed a number of times by beings more
advanced than us.
Anyhow I am more interested in the history of the beings that are
here, where they came from, how they came to Earth, through what means,
implants, defeats, triumphs etc.
We don't exist in a vaccum, and its not as they taught us in
school.
>You want to know the unknowable to date and dont, so of all
>the nut cases in the world you chose to accept L Rong Hubbard
>as yer source of info? Pleeeze.
?
I accept no one as my source. I have asked for everyone's
experiences, hypotheses, whatever they can dig up about where we are,
how we got here, and where we are or should be going.
> You will see the sand box clearly after a time and then you
>can simply step out of it.. effortlessly and look back
>marveling how you had gotten so involved in all the jabber
>jabber, hair splits and etc.
That's what I want to know, how I got involved. It was not a one
life bumblefuck.
> Entirely correct. And these other people should maybe not wake up
>yet...their time has not come... it may never come.
Everyone's time comes one day.
> Ok .... thats correct. Few however wish to get out....
>they see their life in terms of creations, their thoughts and
>identity etc. and in scn of course process along those
>lines to beef them up.. be come 'OT'.. locate at a
>point... and project power, and be cause over the flies..
>all that is on the path south.
Yes. Seeking OT power for human motivations, mostly to protect
one's body and ownership in the game, is a trap.
Hubbard was not trying to produce that kind of OT, he wanted OT's
that could permeate, take and play boths sides of any game of defend and
protect at the same time, and invent new games forever for free so they
would never get stuck in any game at all, not even the need to play one.
OT's use their powers, create mountains etc, to design games,
they don't use them to win games.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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