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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>You have gone wildly far afield here, I never denounced the value of logic
>IN GENERAL, only certain what I could consider [mis]uses of logic where it
>may attempt to usurp linguistic intuitions, grasp of intention,
>commonsense, and otherwise making sense including making sense
>theologically.
So you put 'linguistic intuitions' and 'grasp of intention' above
logical analysis of your statements and the proper use of words?
That's fine, but you end up talking to yourself, and looking like
a stupid fool unless you state that you are doing this.
In any case its fine if you wish to use linguistic intuitions
etc, but when you do this, and someone takes you to task for the
illogic in your words, you should simply say, "Yes words fail me, they
are illogical as presented, please try to get what I am trying to say
and don't look at the literal meaning of my words."
You will get alot further along than saying something *STUPID*
like "Logic (syllogisms) never did a thing for me".
That "syllogisms never did a thing for you" says much about you
that I don't think you wish to publicize.
Sound logic is the foundation of all philosophy as it is the
basis of language and meaning, and without those philosophy is just so
much babble of the monkeys.
I don't know how much training in formal logic you have had, but
if it is lacking, you might want to bone up on what it is and why it
is useful, so that when you run into someone who actually knows
something about logic, you don't come across like a fucking idiot
making nothing of the foundation of all language and meaning.
Homer
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NEED AND FEAR REVISITED
It is interesting how far I have come since this was written, talk
about case gain.
Part of the problem with auditing, is NOT knowing how to audit, but
knowing WHAT to audit.
There are some merely mechanical considerations that have remained
hidden and wouldn't otherwise be obvious, that have stopped case gain,
REAL case gain for the vast majority of those going through the Church.
The sign of a true genius is the ability to pursue the idiotic, and
man the truth is as idiotic as it gets.
HOW to audit is simple.
One audits by getting an item and running NO and SOME on it.
HOW one runs an item is a matter of orthodoxy and technical
preference, it is expected that you would pursue whatever works for you.
Much of the WHAT to audit comes directly from Hubbard, and frankly at
this time I can say with some certainty he left out something, or on a
kinder day I would say, failed to point out its relative importance.
That something is the difference between ORS and ANDS.
An OR is an indecision, Hubbard said that the neurotic was stuck in
an indecision in the present, and the psychotic was stuck in an
indecision in the past. -AP&A
I used that for years as my stable datum, run out the doubts,
particularly of perfect certainties, and surely case would resolve.
NO, this is 100 percent wrong.
Chronic case and its somatics that kill is not based on
indecisions.
An indecision is a waffling back and forth with what to do, should
I do this, should I do that, ooops its dinner time, I will come back to
this later. Maybe he does maybe he doesn't.
Usually he Q&A's with some OTHER new indecision, and completely
forgets the original one. Eventually he is bogged down in
a whole long chain of failed resolutions on indecisions, maybe 100
to 200 of them across a life time.
It makes for a messy mind, but a thetan can not be killed by this.
It is true that doubt is self casting, doubt that you CAN confront
something will lead to an impossibility to confront. There however may
be other things that are simply impossible to confront regardless of
your doubt, but they would have to be based in negative truth, lies in
other words.
Thus part of being able to confront ANYTHING is the ability to
confront without significance which includes without doubt.
Pure experience without the added when, where, how, who, why and
what (in that order), is hard to keep around no matter what it is.
You dive into the fire, and pain and fear turn to pleasure waves,
anger turns to beauty.
But in the end an indecision is a zero effort situation, and zero
efforts can not aberrate you.
Take a guy who is in an indecision about opening the door and going
outside.
Should I open the door, should I leave it closed, maybe there is a
tiger out there, maybe there isn't, but I can't know without opening the
door, but if I open the door the tiger will jump in and get me. But if
I stay inside I will starve to death. Maybe if I get too skinny, the
tiger won't eat me and let me pass. But if I get out and eat, maybe the
tiger will then come and eat me.
Standard CLAM INCIDENT stuff, should I open my eyes(shell), or
leave them shut?
What the guy is DOING is trying to determine what to DO.
That's not DOING, you see.
You see, no voltage, no amperage, no flow, no beingness, hardly
reads on the radar.
You might want to call engaging in an OR a kind of neurosis, but in
the end, what's wrong with people, are not areas of neuroses which are
mere fumaroles on the volcano, they are SYMPTOMS of the underlying
real thing that is going on.
What's wrong with people are areas of total, complete and outright
PSYCHOSIS, even if he is holding down his 9 to 5 and raising his family
decently.
Once too many psychoses pile up, then the guy goes to hell and
can't operate any more. Since civilization is the sum total of
everyone's operatingness, one could say that on average most people are
still holding it together in spite of their underlying spots of totally
nuts.
So what is psychosis? It's simple.
If neurosis is OR, psychosis is AND.
The guy is NOT in an INDECISION about whether to open the door OR
not open the door, he is in a totally committed DECISION to BOTH open
the door AND close it AT THE SAME TIME.
That would indeed be nuts you say, but is it true that people are
doing this?
Well an eternal spirit can't become a mortal body with out it.
The spirit is wholly engaged in the effort to NOT BE *AND* to BE
at the same time.
Shakespeare got it wrong, and bypassed the item on the entire
world forever more.
It is not
"To be or not to be? That is the question."
It is
"To be AND not to be! Go away I have made up my mind."
You see with the door, the indecision leads to no effort except the
paltry pittance to THINK about it, figure figure, question asking, which
we all know by now leads straight into the laundry basket.
But once the guy gets a good AND going, he is putting ALL of his
effort, 110 percent of it, into holding the door closed with one hand,
and trying to open the door with the other.
And he is using his merry band of BT's to help him, half on the
left hand, and half on the right hand, so the percentage of involvement
goes WAY above 100, maybe into the thousands.
That is in part why he can't stop doing it, but also he doesn't
WANT to stop doing it, because it helps him remain nuts enough to be a
human, and also he just simply and plainly doesn't know about it any
more.
That leads to exhaustion of spiritual power and eventually death as
a spirit.
Psychosis is a form of thetan isometrics (go look it up),
isometrics make the body strong when done in proper quantities, but make
a thetan stark raving dead when engaged in forever.
Start with running ANDS on BEING AND BECOMING, then on WILLINGNESS
TO LIVE FOREVER IN TIME, and WILLINGNESS TO LIVE FOREVER OUTSIDE OF TIME
WHERE THERE IS NO TIME.
Once you get real on the amount of sheer power that is tied up in
ANDS, all the indecision stuff just falls away as so much dandruff.
When you get hit in the face by an atomic wave, you stop worrying
about why you have pimples, you KNOW.
Then run ANDS on who or what are you trying to kill AND not kill at
the same time.
It is the effort to kill, murder, harm, destroy, or damn forever
etc, AND not do these things at the same time, that causes all the kick
back you call your suffering.
The Sweetness and Light case neither suffers nor tells the truth,
and will never become OT, cuz' I will tell you something, OT's are not
made of Sweetness and Light!
They can be in an off moment, but mostly OT's are roaring power in
operation trying to provide a better life-and-death game to play.
One that will last longer and provide a better story.
They care if you lose too much, but they also care if
you win too much :)
They operate on the goal "To enhance the story".
Homer
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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> NEED AND FEAR
>
> I am looking for a solo process that anyone can run without the
> help of another.
>
> By solo process I do NOT mean a formal rote procedure which one
> runs in formal session with or without a meter, but one which runs 'in
> the background' during the living of life.
>
> When life goes 'crunch' through out the day, I want to know what
> that crunch is about in the most general sense, and then take that
> specific crunch apart so it doesn't happen again.
>
> I believe as tech finders we all seek the one process or one
> understanding that we can plant as a seed in a person's mind, and have
> it work for them quickly and stunningly, so that they can then
> disseminate it to others in the same manner.
>
> The route towards clearing advance has historically been through
> a quagmire of god awful complexity to greater and greater
> simplicities. Even the great masters are still looking, but in the
> meanwhile they continue to offer the complex routes that they have
> achieved so far. Any case gain is better than no case gain.
>
> But in the end, for me, finding that simple seed, that each
> person can plant alone and which will take him or her all the way out
> in a proper gradient with life as the main auditor, is of paramount
> importance.
>
> Now perhaps I only seek such a solution for myself and others
> like myself. I have to admit to the possibility of abandoning the
> rest of mankind to the complexities of other schools, if I found such
> a route that worked for me and no one else, I would be the first one
> out of here never to return, leaving behind me only a posting or two
> describing how I did it.
>
> KP would still be screaming 'FIGURE FIGURE, HALLUCINATION, GET A
> CLUE IDIOT!' and I would be gone.
>
> But I keep seeing the commonness of my own case with everyone
> else's. They get sick a couple of times a year, I am sick all the
> time, their noses stuff up once in a while, mine is stuffed all the
> time etc. So I figure that once I blow my case wide open, I will have
> blown the common case across all of us wide open too. That there
> might be other case amongst myself or others that is not touched, I
> admit, but that common case across all humans, I expect to be handled
> with the seed.
>
> In present time I would have to say that seedling consists of two
> concepts, need and fear.
>
> Need is the consideration that something is necessary either to
> survival or the willingness to be. An immortal being has no needs
> upon which his survival depends, but his willingness to be does. If
> you are going to willingly live forever, certain things fundamentally
> need to be true.
>
> Doubt is the component of fear that is self casting, if one
> doubts that one is able, one will engage in looking to find out if one
> is, and bang one won't be. Looking to know is a trap.
>
> Indecision is the other component, once one doubts, one no longer
> is sure what to do, thus one tends to do nothing, and then the need to
> do SOMETHING, leads one to do something else. One comes to a fork in
> the road, runs into need and fear and doubt, and rather than make a
> decision, one builds a house there and offers bed and breakfast to
> others who come along.
>
> Eventually it becomes an anti-civilization like we have here on
> Earth. A sargasso sea of dead and dying *GODS*, who couldn't figure
> out whether to go right or left and couldn't figure out who or what is
> cause around here.
>
> One can reach out into an area of life and 'feel' if ones
> postulate are going to work there. If one feels an open space and a
> smile, then one knows that whatever one commands in that warm spot
> will come true in its own time. Other places in life will feel closed
> and blocked, one knows that one's postulates won't work there.
>
> One can then start sorting these areas of blockage out, spot the
> needs and fears until the next area opens with a smile waiting with
> infinite potential for a command to be placed in its jet stream.
>
> A command is not made with force or flourish, one merely hits the
> return key on it, and its a done deal unless retracted.
>
> Here is a good process. Sit down at a computer and type
> in a command for something you want, followed by the return key.
>
> "We will get more business" <cr>
> "We will get more business" <cr>
>
> Do this and notice that it is the hitting of the return key that
> makes it work, not the force nor flourish with which you write the
> command or hit the return key. That is a command.
>
> It's a long trek from fearless human to God crucified on the
> Qualms, but for those ready to make the trek, a little indoctrination
> about how it all works, and a little help to focus on the proper
> concepts, will start to produce amazing changes.
>
> We don't need to need and we don't need to fear.
>
> Ain't that amazing?
>
> Ain't that a miracle?
>
> Ain't that the undreamed dream come true?
>
> Well to most it is so overwhelming they just want a little
> auditing to help them 'adjust' better to their needs and fears. But
> this is an auditing overt.
>
> The first step down from OT is to postulate that you need
> something.
>
> The second step down from OT is to doubt your ability to get that
> need.
>
> Wham you are dead.
>
> Some guy walks in and wants to survive anyway and you are going
> to help him with that?
>
> Auditing consists of two things.
>
> Handle the doubt.
>
> Handle the need.
>
> Next time life goes crunch on you, you know, you just can't get
> up and go, take a look at need and fear and their inner componenets,
> survival, willingness, self casting doubt, indecision, and doing
> something else, and I believe you will find the seed of freedom you
> are looking for.
>
> Once it starts to work for you, plant it in another and make sure
> it grows until they can do the same.
>
> Once you start to win at this game, you will run into needs and
> fears you never dreamed of, knock your socks off.
>
> OT straight ahead.
>
> Homer
>
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NEED AND FEAR REVISITED
It is interesting how far I have come since this was written, talk
about case gain.
Part of the problem with auditing, is NOT knowing how to audit, but
knowing WHAT to audit.
There are some merely mechanical considerations that have remained
hidden and wouldn't otherwise be obvious, that have stopped case gain,
REAL case gain for the vast majority of those going through the Church.
The sign of a true genius is the ability to pursue the idiotic, and
man the truth is as idiotic as it gets.
HOW to audit is simple.
One audits by getting an item and running NO and SOME on it.
HOW one runs an item is a matter of orthodoxy and technical
preference, it is expected that you would pursue whatever works for you.
Much of the WHAT to audit comes directly from Hubbard, and frankly at
this time I can say with some certainty he left out something, or on a
kinder day I would say, failed to point out its relative importance.
That something is the difference between ORS and ANDS.
An OR is an indecision, Hubbard said that the neurotic was stuck in
an indecision in the present, and the psychotic was stuck in an
indecision in the past. -AP&A
I used that for years as my stable datum, run out the doubts,
particularly of perfect certainties, and surely case would resolve.
NO, this is 100 percent wrong.
Chronic case and its somatics that kill is not based on
indecisions.
An indecision is a waffling back and forth with what to do, should
I do this, should I do that, ooops its dinner time, I will come back to
this later. Maybe he does maybe he doesn't.
Usually he Q&A's with some OTHER new indecision, and completely
forgets the original one. Eventually he is bogged down in
a whole long chain of failed resolutions on indecisions, maybe 100
to 200 of them across a life time.
It makes for a messy mind, but a thetan can not be killed by this.
It is true that doubt is self casting, doubt that you CAN confront
something will lead to an impossibility to confront. There however may
be other things that are simply impossible to confront regardless of
your doubt, but they would have to be based in negative truth, lies in
other words.
Thus part of being able to confront ANYTHING is the ability to
confront without significance which includes without doubt.
Pure experience without the added when, where, how, who, why and
what (in that order), is hard to keep around no matter what it is.
You dive into the fire, and pain and fear turn to pleasure waves,
anger turns to beauty.
But in the end an indecision is a zero effort situation, and zero
efforts can not aberrate you.
Take a guy who is in an indecision about opening the door and going
outside.
Should I open the door, should I leave it closed, maybe there is a
tiger out there, maybe there isn't, but I can't know without opening the
door, but if I open the door the tiger will jump in and get me. But if
I stay inside I will starve to death. Maybe if I get too skinny, the
tiger won't eat me and let me pass. But if I get out and eat, maybe the
tiger will then come and eat me.
Standard CLAM INCIDENT stuff, should I open my eyes(shell), or
leave them shut?
What the guy is DOING is trying to determine what to DO.
That's not DOING, you see.
You see, no voltage, no amperage, no flow, no beingness, hardly
reads on the radar.
You might want to call engaging in an OR a kind of neurosis, but in
the end, what's wrong with people, are not areas of neuroses which are
mere fumaroles on the volcano, they are SYMPTOMS of the underlying
real thing that is going on.
What's wrong with people are areas of total, complete and outright
PSYCHOSIS, even if he is holding down his 9 to 5 and raising his family
decently.
Once too many psychoses pile up, then the guy goes to hell and
can't operate any more. Since civilization is the sum total of
everyone's operatingness, one could say that on average most people are
still holding it together in spite of their underlying spots of totally
nuts.
So what is psychosis? It's simple.
If neurosis is OR, psychosis is AND.
The guy is NOT in an INDECISION about whether to open the door OR
not open the door, he is in a totally committed DECISION to BOTH open
the door AND close it AT THE SAME TIME.
That would indeed be nuts you say, but is it true that people are
doing this?
Well an eternal spirit can't become a mortal body with out it.
The spirit is wholly engaged in the effort to NOT BE *AND* to BE
at the same time.
Shakespeare got it wrong, and bypassed the item on the entire
world forever more.
It is not
"To be or not to be? That is the question."
It is
"To be AND not to be! Go away I have made up my mind."
You see with the door, the indecision leads to no effort except the
paltry pittance to THINK about it, figure figure, question asking, which
we all know by now leads straight into the laundry basket.
But once the guy gets a good AND going, he is putting ALL of his
effort, 110 percent of it, into holding the door closed with one hand,
and trying to open the door with the other.
And he is using his merry band of BT's to help him, half on the
left hand, and half on the right hand, so the percentage of involvement
goes WAY above 100, maybe into the thousands.
That is in part why he can't stop doing it, but also he doesn't
WANT to stop doing it, because it helps him remain nuts enough to be a
human, and also he just simply and plainly doesn't know about it any
more.
That leads to exhaustion of spiritual power and eventually death as
a spirit.
Psychosis is a form of thetan isometrics (go look it up),
isometrics make the body strong when done in proper quantities, but make
a thetan stark raving dead when engaged in forever.
Start with running ANDS on BEING AND BECOMING, then on WILLINGNESS
TO LIVE FOREVER IN TIME, and WILLINGNESS TO LIVE FOREVER OUTSIDE OF TIME
WHERE THERE IS NO TIME.
Once you get real on the amount of sheer power that is tied up in
ANDS, all the indecision stuff just falls away as so much dandruff.
When you get hit in the face by an atomic wave, you stop worrying
about why you have pimples, you KNOW.
Then run ANDS on who or what are you trying to kill AND not kill at
the same time.
It is the effort to kill, murder, harm, destroy, or damn forever
etc, AND not do these things at the same time, that causes all the kick
back you call your suffering.
The Sweetness and Light case neither suffers nor tells the truth,
and will never become OT, cuz' I will tell you something, OT's are not
made of Sweetness and Light!
They can be in an off moment, but mostly OT's are roaring power in
operation trying to provide a better life-and-death game to play.
One that will last longer and provide a better story.
They care if you lose too much, but they also care if
you win too much :)
They operate on the goal "To enhance the story".
Homer
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(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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>
>
> NEED AND FEAR
>
> I am looking for a solo process that anyone can run without the
> help of another.
>
> By solo process I do NOT mean a formal rote procedure which one
> runs in formal session with or without a meter, but one which runs 'in
> the background' during the living of life.
>
> When life goes 'crunch' through out the day, I want to know what
> that crunch is about in the most general sense, and then take that
> specific crunch apart so it doesn't happen again.
>
> I believe as tech finders we all seek the one process or one
> understanding that we can plant as a seed in a person's mind, and have
> it work for them quickly and stunningly, so that they can then
> disseminate it to others in the same manner.
>
> The route towards clearing advance has historically been through
> a quagmire of god awful complexity to greater and greater
> simplicities. Even the great masters are still looking, but in the
> meanwhile they continue to offer the complex routes that they have
> achieved so far. Any case gain is better than no case gain.
>
> But in the end, for me, finding that simple seed, that each
> person can plant alone and which will take him or her all the way out
> in a proper gradient with life as the main auditor, is of paramount
> importance.
>
> Now perhaps I only seek such a solution for myself and others
> like myself. I have to admit to the possibility of abandoning the
> rest of mankind to the complexities of other schools, if I found such
> a route that worked for me and no one else, I would be the first one
> out of here never to return, leaving behind me only a posting or two
> describing how I did it.
>
> KP would still be screaming 'FIGURE FIGURE, HALLUCINATION, GET A
> CLUE IDIOT!' and I would be gone.
>
> But I keep seeing the commonness of my own case with everyone
> else's. They get sick a couple of times a year, I am sick all the
> time, their noses stuff up once in a while, mine is stuffed all the
> time etc. So I figure that once I blow my case wide open, I will have
> blown the common case across all of us wide open too. That there
> might be other case amongst myself or others that is not touched, I
> admit, but that common case across all humans, I expect to be handled
> with the seed.
>
> In present time I would have to say that seedling consists of two
> concepts, need and fear.
>
> Need is the consideration that something is necessary either to
> survival or the willingness to be. An immortal being has no needs
> upon which his survival depends, but his willingness to be does. If
> you are going to willingly live forever, certain things fundamentally
> need to be true.
>
> Doubt is the component of fear that is self casting, if one
> doubts that one is able, one will engage in looking to find out if one
> is, and bang one won't be. Looking to know is a trap.
>
> Indecision is the other component, once one doubts, one no longer
> is sure what to do, thus one tends to do nothing, and then the need to
> do SOMETHING, leads one to do something else. One comes to a fork in
> the road, runs into need and fear and doubt, and rather than make a
> decision, one builds a house there and offers bed and breakfast to
> others who come along.
>
> Eventually it becomes an anti-civilization like we have here on
> Earth. A sargasso sea of dead and dying *GODS*, who couldn't figure
> out whether to go right or left and couldn't figure out who or what is
> cause around here.
>
> One can reach out into an area of life and 'feel' if ones
> postulate are going to work there. If one feels an open space and a
> smile, then one knows that whatever one commands in that warm spot
> will come true in its own time. Other places in life will feel closed
> and blocked, one knows that one's postulates won't work there.
>
> One can then start sorting these areas of blockage out, spot the
> needs and fears until the next area opens with a smile waiting with
> infinite potential for a command to be placed in its jet stream.
>
> A command is not made with force or flourish, one merely hits the
> return key on it, and its a done deal unless retracted.
>
> Here is a good process. Sit down at a computer and type
> in a command for something you want, followed by the return key.
>
> "We will get more business" <cr>
> "We will get more business" <cr>
>
> Do this and notice that it is the hitting of the return key that
> makes it work, not the force nor flourish with which you write the
> command or hit the return key. That is a command.
>
> It's a long trek from fearless human to God crucified on the
> Qualms, but for those ready to make the trek, a little indoctrination
> about how it all works, and a little help to focus on the proper
> concepts, will start to produce amazing changes.
>
> We don't need to need and we don't need to fear.
>
> Ain't that amazing?
>
> Ain't that a miracle?
>
> Ain't that the undreamed dream come true?
>
> Well to most it is so overwhelming they just want a little
> auditing to help them 'adjust' better to their needs and fears. But
> this is an auditing overt.
>
> The first step down from OT is to postulate that you need
> something.
>
> The second step down from OT is to doubt your ability to get that
> need.
>
> Wham you are dead.
>
> Some guy walks in and wants to survive anyway and you are going
> to help him with that?
>
> Auditing consists of two things.
>
> Handle the doubt.
>
> Handle the need.
>
> Next time life goes crunch on you, you know, you just can't get
> up and go, take a look at need and fear and their inner componenets,
> survival, willingness, self casting doubt, indecision, and doing
> something else, and I believe you will find the seed of freedom you
> are looking for.
>
> Once it starts to work for you, plant it in another and make sure
> it grows until they can do the same.
>
> Once you start to win at this game, you will run into needs and
> fears you never dreamed of, knock your socks off.
>
> OT straight ahead.
>
> Homer
>
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> There are many sects of christianity and I will be the first to tell you
> that I don't really know what I am talking about here so I can't really
> argue this point too well but I have started to ask people about what they
> belive in -the ones who don't just come up and tell you- and I hav found
> that the specific sect that preaches 'all non christians go to hell' is
> not very highly regarded by the people who belive in christ as more of a
> means of moral and spiritual guidance. they are the loudest amongst them
> but they are not representative of all christians.
Yes, this is very Adorian.
If they accept Mohammad and Budha, and who ever else came to Earth to
leave wisdom, then they are well on their way and worth knowing.
after talking
> extensivly with xxx, who is currently attending lancaster
> theological semenary, my understanding is this: the bible does not teach
> that all should be converted and in fact jesus specifically says that
> everyone *EVERYONE* will be forgiven, saved, or whatever and get to go to
> heaven weather they accept him or not.
OK, I would like to see exact quotes in the Bible New Testament
that says this.
> I guess you are right you aren't really saying the same thing I read some
> words that rubbed me wrong and read into them something that wasn't there.
> anyone telling anyone else that their religion is bad scares me.
Not *BAD*, but *WRONG*, dangerously so.
And Bigotry is always bad as it prevents intimacy with others just
because they hold a different world view. One can accept just about any
view in another being no matter how different, but once you cross the line
into "You are going to hell *FOREVER*" then acceptance and intimacy
becomes factually impossible. THIS is what makes bigotry, bigotry.
For example, what happens to us after we die?
Do we get reborn with varying degrees of amnesia?
Do we go straight to our just 'reward'?
Do we have a choice to come back if we want to?
Where were we BEFORE we were born?
You see if I have lived before, then that is true, and any
religion that says that is false is factually incorrect period,
no two ways about it.
It is fine for a person to tell me that THEY are going straight to
their reward, but it is not fine for them to tell me that *I* won't be
reborn again. It can conceivably be different from being to being,
depending on what they have set up for themselves.
Religions that then go and say I am deluded by the Devil because
I remember past lives etc, are just as factually wrong as those
that teach that the world is flat or the center of the universe,
or the only planet with life on it.
Anyhow, if we stick to the basic definition of bigotry as defined in
Adore: "I am blessed and you are eternally damned because my
God/Prophet/Doctrine is better than your God/Prophet/Doctrine' then it is
pretty easy to see the bad apples from the good ones.
Religions should not have a lot of disagreement on factual items, and
in particular faith and belief should not be confused. Belief is just
that, a bet based on probabilities. Faith is an inner confidence that you
will be ok even when all outward appearances contend otherwise.
Faith is a 'belief' in self mostly and thus in the eventual outcome of
all things. Faith in 'God' is mostly a trap, as it separates God off from
self and anthropomorphizes it into something you can solicit favors from
by behaving properly. There may be such 'gods' in the world, Greek gods
etc, but they aren't the God which is the AllThatIs, which includes me and
thee.
"Confidence is to confide that one did this thing to oneself." -
Adore
Once confidence in one's self is confused with doctrinal rightness and
wrongness, then we have blind belief based on nothing but what benefits
the priest hood (parents, society, government, clergy whatever).
Now Adore is basically a doctrinal matter, it says we live
forever, have always lived forever, can not help but live forever,
and have no choice about living forever because WE ARE the eternal
God incarnated in space/time continuums to play games of intimacy
with each other.
One has to understand 'forever' though in this context, this does not
mean we must live in a space/time game stream forever. It means we are
fundamentally co eternal, and time like space is a hologram which is
engaged in FOR A WHILE. Thus any dreamtime is finite in length, thus all
heavens and hells must end one day, no other way to have it, and return to
eternal peace which is spaceless, timeless, and free from impingement.
That is either right or it is wrong.
Adore believes that if you take the commonalities of all religions,
including the Hindus and Buddhists, you will have something bordering on
the truth. The differences are injected by men to control, enslave and
enfear a population.
A person who is not worried about his eternal future or anyone else's
future is a very dangerous being, because he is much too fearless to be
introverted and thus controlled or trapped in lies.
The minute a person buys into "I am going to hell *FOREVER* unless..."
he has had it. He might as well nose dive into the abyss with
afterburners on. If he teaches it to others or his children, well then he
has some karma to pay. Again by his own choice once he sees the damage he
has partaken in.
"Here dear sweet child, point your nose down this way, and turn your
afterburns on!"
sorry. I
> need to learn more about religion before I can really hold a theological
> debate.
You are doing just fine. I am INTENSELY interested in the
answers to the two basic questions from your CHristian friends.
"Where were we before we were born?"
"What happens to us after we die?"
When you start hearing "We didn't exist before we were born, and then
God made us without our choice, and stuck us here on Earth without our
choice, and then He sends us here or there after we die without our
choice, depending on such and such, then you know you have lies speaking."
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> There are many sects of christianity and I will be the first to tell you
> that I don't really know what I am talking about here so I can't really
> argue this point too well but I have started to ask people about what they
> belive in -the ones who don't just come up and tell you- and I hav found
> that the specific sect that preaches 'all non christians go to hell' is
> not very highly regarded by the people who belive in christ as more of a
> means of moral and spiritual guidance. they are the loudest amongst them
> but they are not representative of all christians.
Yes, this is very Adorian.
If they accept Mohammad and Budha, and who ever else came to Earth to
leave wisdom, then they are well on their way and worth knowing.
after talking
> extensivly with xxx, who is currently attending lancaster
> theological semenary, my understanding is this: the bible does not teach
> that all should be converted and in fact jesus specifically says that
> everyone *EVERYONE* will be forgiven, saved, or whatever and get to go to
> heaven weather they accept him or not.
OK, I would like to see exact quotes in the Bible New Testament
that says this.
> I guess you are right you aren't really saying the same thing I read some
> words that rubbed me wrong and read into them something that wasn't there.
> anyone telling anyone else that their religion is bad scares me.
Not *BAD*, but *WRONG*, dangerously so.
And Bigotry is always bad as it prevents intimacy with others just
because they hold a different world view. One can accept just about any
view in another being no matter how different, but once you cross the line
into "You are going to hell *FOREVER*" then acceptance and intimacy
becomes factually impossible. THIS is what makes bigotry, bigotry.
For example, what happens to us after we die?
Do we get reborn with varying degrees of amnesia?
Do we go straight to our just 'reward'?
Do we have a choice to come back if we want to?
Where were we BEFORE we were born?
You see if I have lived before, then that is true, and any
religion that says that is false is factually incorrect period,
no two ways about it.
It is fine for a person to tell me that THEY are going straight to
their reward, but it is not fine for them to tell me that *I* won't be
reborn again. It can conceivably be different from being to being,
depending on what they have set up for themselves.
Religions that then go and say I am deluded by the Devil because
I remember past lives etc, are just as factually wrong as those
that teach that the world is flat or the center of the universe,
or the only planet with life on it.
Anyhow, if we stick to the basic definition of bigotry as defined in
Adore: "I am blessed and you are eternally damned because my
God/Prophet/Doctrine is better than your God/Prophet/Doctrine' then it is
pretty easy to see the bad apples from the good ones.
Religions should not have a lot of disagreement on factual items, and
in particular faith and belief should not be confused. Belief is just
that, a bet based on probabilities. Faith is an inner confidence that you
will be ok even when all outward appearances contend otherwise.
Faith is a 'belief' in self mostly and thus in the eventual outcome of
all things. Faith in 'God' is mostly a trap, as it separates God off from
self and anthropomorphizes it into something you can solicit favors from
by behaving properly. There may be such 'gods' in the world, Greek gods
etc, but they aren't the God which is the AllThatIs, which includes me and
thee.
"Confidence is to confide that one did this thing to oneself." -
Adore
Once confidence in one's self is confused with doctrinal rightness and
wrongness, then we have blind belief based on nothing but what benefits
the priest hood (parents, society, government, clergy whatever).
Now Adore is basically a doctrinal matter, it says we live
forever, have always lived forever, can not help but live forever,
and have no choice about living forever because WE ARE the eternal
God incarnated in space/time continuums to play games of intimacy
with each other.
One has to understand 'forever' though in this context, this does not
mean we must live in a space/time game stream forever. It means we are
fundamentally co eternal, and time like space is a hologram which is
engaged in FOR A WHILE. Thus any dreamtime is finite in length, thus all
heavens and hells must end one day, no other way to have it, and return to
eternal peace which is spaceless, timeless, and free from impingement.
That is either right or it is wrong.
Adore believes that if you take the commonalities of all religions,
including the Hindus and Buddhists, you will have something bordering on
the truth. The differences are injected by men to control, enslave and
enfear a population.
A person who is not worried about his eternal future or anyone else's
future is a very dangerous being, because he is much too fearless to be
introverted and thus controlled or trapped in lies.
The minute a person buys into "I am going to hell *FOREVER* unless..."
he has had it. He might as well nose dive into the abyss with
afterburners on. If he teaches it to others or his children, well then he
has some karma to pay. Again by his own choice once he sees the damage he
has partaken in.
"Here dear sweet child, point your nose down this way, and turn your
afterburns on!"
sorry. I
> need to learn more about religion before I can really hold a theological
> debate.
You are doing just fine. I am INTENSELY interested in the
answers to the two basic questions from your CHristian friends.
"Where were we before we were born?"
"What happens to us after we die?"
When you start hearing "We didn't exist before we were born, and then
God made us without our choice, and stuck us here on Earth without our
choice, and then He sends us here or there after we die without our
choice, depending on such and such, then you know you have lies speaking."
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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LETTER TO ENID
Dear Enid,
Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.
I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.
You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.
Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.
Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.
Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:
BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION
Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.
Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.
I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like
Do you feel you need your body for you survive?
Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?
Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?
Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?
If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.
This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.
I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.
My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.
It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"
The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.
The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.
Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.
You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.
Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.
Homer
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Dear Enid,
Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.
I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.
You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.
Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.
Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.
Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:
BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION
Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.
Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.
I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like
Do you feel you need your body for you survive?
Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?
Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?
Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?
If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.
This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.
I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.
My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.
It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"
The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.
The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.
Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.
You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.
Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.
Homer
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Rogers (The_Bindu@msn.com) wrote:
>Looking back, I'm still not sure I have ALL the facets that contributed to
>that poor result, but I think the main one was that the correction list was
>being used as a substitute for the auditor! I mean, the auditor was using
>it as a substitute for ARC or basic auditing skill or something.
Or something.
SOMETHING = CLUE.
Sometimes I feel that if I had to do it all over again, I would
want a LOT of up front indoctrination in what I already know, so I
have some clue as what I am trying to handle.
Hubbard wasted so many pages saying absolutely nothing of worth,
compared to my present reality on who and what I am and where I came
from and where I/we/Us are going.
Oh I suppose he said it all somewhere, but boy was it filtered
through a dry and boring filter.
Lack of a clear understanding of an ideal scene, the being is
very hard to audit, too introverted into trying to become better like
mama wanted him to be. Ask him what he really wants, and he doesn't
actually know any more.
So how can you ask him what the problems are when the goals and
ideals are gone to him?
A little good indocrination goes a long ways to make a pc
sessionable.
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Rogers (The_Bindu@msn.com) wrote:
>Looking back, I'm still not sure I have ALL the facets that contributed to
>that poor result, but I think the main one was that the correction list was
>being used as a substitute for the auditor! I mean, the auditor was using
>it as a substitute for ARC or basic auditing skill or something.
Or something.
SOMETHING = CLUE.
Sometimes I feel that if I had to do it all over again, I would
want a LOT of up front indoctrination in what I already know, so I
have some clue as what I am trying to handle.
Hubbard wasted so many pages saying absolutely nothing of worth,
compared to my present reality on who and what I am and where I came
from and where I/we/Us are going.
Oh I suppose he said it all somewhere, but boy was it filtered
through a dry and boring filter.
Lack of a clear understanding of an ideal scene, the being is
very hard to audit, too introverted into trying to become better like
mama wanted him to be. Ask him what he really wants, and he doesn't
actually know any more.
So how can you ask him what the problems are when the goals and
ideals are gone to him?
A little good indocrination goes a long ways to make a pc
sessionable.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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SCIENTOLOGY WOG II
People think that tech in the absence of any real livingness makes
for a good auditor.
They talk about hours in the chair, but never hours in the chair of
life.
Never held a real job, never invented, owned and operated their own
business, and they are a Class what?
You gotta be kidding.
They know all about life, but can't DO any of it.
And they are going to help you DO some life yourself?
You would do better spending your money on some coke and a good
screw.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SCIENTOLOGY WOG II
People think that tech in the absence of any real livingness makes
for a good auditor.
They talk about hours in the chair, but never hours in the chair of
life.
Never held a real job, never invented, owned and operated their own
business, and they are a Class what?
You gotta be kidding.
They know all about life, but can't DO any of it.
And they are going to help you DO some life yourself?
You would do better spending your money on some coke and a good
screw.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LOGIC IS A DESCRIPTION OF TO BE
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LOGIC IS A DESCRIPTION OF TO BE
If I say
"All dogs are animals."
"Joey my pet is a dog."
"Joey is not an animal."
What have I said?
Nothing.
How can it *BE* that all dogs are animals, and Joey is a dog,
but Joey is not an animal?
The answer is it *CAN'T* BE because the statements taken together as a
partial descriptions of what IS, are illogical, and logic is a description
of BE, and BE is described by logic.
Thus what BE's must be logical, and what is illogical can not BE.
Please recognize that anyone who might disagree with this or argue
with you in any way about it or queries what it means TO BE, has a mind
and consciousness damaged by the immortal plague and should be quarantined
for their own safety and the safety of others.
Homer
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LOGIC IS A DESCRIPTION OF TO BE
If I say
"All dogs are animals."
"Joey my pet is a dog."
"Joey is not an animal."
What have I said?
Nothing.
How can it *BE* that all dogs are animals, and Joey is a dog,
but Joey is not an animal?
The answer is it *CAN'T* BE because the statements taken together as a
partial descriptions of what IS, are illogical, and logic is a description
of BE, and BE is described by logic.
Thus what BE's must be logical, and what is illogical can not BE.
Please recognize that anyone who might disagree with this or argue
with you in any way about it or queries what it means TO BE, has a mind
and consciousness damaged by the immortal plague and should be quarantined
for their own safety and the safety of others.
Homer
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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