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> Another approach once you have an idea what the roadblock is, would be to
> find out what the person needs to move forward eg "what would make you
> strong enough, safe enough, or make it Ok to get better?" then work on
> achieving that first.
This won't work by definition.
Basic dicotomies operating here are
Danger Safety
No Danger No Safetey
Infinite Danger Infinite Safety
Too much Danger Too much Safety
Too little Danger Too little Saftey
Answer to question 'What would happen if you found out?' is Self
Obliteration.
So then run on entire tone scale from Sovereignty on down to
Spiritual Death, including humor, seriousness, importance, permanence
and pain:
"What ______ would you be willing to find out?"
i.e.
What happiness would you be willing to find out?
What interest, conservatism, boredom, antagonism, anger, fear,
sorrow, apathy, guilt, blame, shame etc, would you be willing to find
out?
That should provide some movement and some VGI's.
The Black V is looking at an inconceivably bad future, in fact
its so bad he doesn't have one, eventually he becomes mortal so he can
die and end it all for good one day.
"Earlier similar lifetime you were mortal?" might run after the
above starts to open up, but he has to be able to see first.
Seeing, looking, knowing, emoting, feeling, understanding, being
the effect of, being the cause of etc, are one humongous package. It's
not just a Black 5, but a Black quite a few things.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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ENTROPY AND ANTI ENTROPY
The scientific definitions of entropy can be difficult, and are
mostly involved with the tendency of concentrations of energy to flow
out to even concentrations everywhere.
A more useful definition of entropy is a measure of the uselessness
of energy to a given purpose, because in the end energy can neither be
created or destroyed.
For example a hungry man needs energy to stay alive. If you give
him a battery, which has energy in it, he won't be able to utilize it
because he can't eat it. Thus the battery has high entropy relative to
the needs of the user, even though it has a high concentration of
energy. It is a USELESS concentration of energy to that particular
need.
On the other hand if you give bread to a man lost in a dark cave
whose flashlight has gone dim, again the bread will do him little good
because he needs the battery!
As energy is expended in one form, like the battery burning the
light bulb, it tends to expand out into another form, like light
racing across the universe. That light is still energy, but it is of
no further use to the original user of the battery once it is gone.
Unless of course he is signalling mars with his flash light!
But once it hits Mars, the light gets absorbed as heat and is no
more, again it becomes useless to anyone unless one is trying to heat
Mars.
You see how it goes, in many ways entropy is the state of energy in
relation to its usefullness to a particular purpose.
Now it is tempting to say that there is none the less an absolute
state of entropy, a state where energy is useless to everyone, meaning
no longer capable of transforming into any other kind of energy (which
is all that usefullness is), and thus everything eventually becomes an
unchanging state.
But one has to remember that energy comes in two forms, potential
and kinetic. The battery is potential, the light is kinetic.
The Sun is a source of kinetic energy which hits random carbon
dioxide moecules on EARTH splitting them up.
You start with some photons and CO2, and you end up with no photons
and Carbon and Oxygen. Is that a higher state of entropy? Well
relative to the sun yes, but relative to an animal no.
Although highly simplified here, the carbon forms plants and trees,
and act as a storage battery for the light from the suns. Plants are
the battery in a state of charge.
Animals would much prefer that a plant cell trap a photon, than a
rock where the light is 'lost' to heat.
But the heat keeps the plant warm, and alive, for if it gets too
cold, the plant won't live.
The animal eats the plant using up the charge in the battery, and
turns it into muscle power which it uses to plant more plants or build
silos for plants, or tranportation systems for plants, a civilization in
other words.
Thus we have a small eddy of anti entropy that takes photons from
the sun, stores them as plants, gets eaten as animals which do useful
work (relative to them) to build civilizations. THEN the photon escapes
as heat into space never to be useful again :).
Until it hits Mars and helps them grow plants too (in the future).
So the flow of energy from high concentrations (anti entropy) to
low dispersed uselessness is not a simple path, and what happens along
the way is everything we call life.
Life is the death throes of anti-entropy heading for entropy.
In this model life is swirls in a river where things go around and
round, but eventually EVERYTHING gets swept out to sea (final entropy).
But in all this we need to remember that what started out as
kinetic energy from the sun, ends up as potential energy, first in the
carbon of the plants, and finally as background cosmic radiation.
Take a ball and throw it up in the air, when it reaches it's top it
no longer has an kinetic energy, but all the energy is still there as
potential energy. Some was lost to friction in the air as heat and it
is gone to the great dispersement in the sky, or off to heat Mars.
But the rest is recoverable as the ball falls back down and hits
your hand as fast as you sent it up, almost.
So the entire universe is expanding and thus storing all of its
expended energy as gravitational potential energy. This might be
useless to any thing in that universe near the end when things are at
maximum expansion, and maximum dispersement, but the energy is all still
there!
*IF* the universe turns around and starts to collapse under its own
gravitational field, just like the ball turning around and dropping,
then all that dispersed energy gets concentrated again until the
universe either crashes into itself at an infinite point or passes by
itself, or through itself at a very small point and starts another
expansion cycle. At that point all the potential energy is now again
kinetic.
If the universe never turns around and just keeps expanding forever
because its original impetus had escape velocity, or because new energy
is being pumped into the system, then entropy will grow forever, but the
energy is never lost.
Because there is nothing saying that a universe must fundamentally
expand forever, entropy then is only king while its in the lime light,
for in a universe that does contract, like the ball falls once thrown in
the air, anti entropy becomes king during the reverse process.
Since life depends on a balance of anti entropy and entropy,
not an excessive amount of each, as the universe collapses back
into itself, it may be that the life forms that survive will be
the ones that create the greatest ENTROPY for themselves to keep
themselves alive for a while.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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ENTROPY AND ANTI ENTROPY
The scientific definitions of entropy can be difficult, and are
mostly involved with the tendency of concentrations of energy to flow
out to even concentrations everywhere.
A more useful definition of entropy is a measure of the uselessness
of energy to a given purpose, because in the end energy can neither be
created or destroyed.
For example a hungry man needs energy to stay alive. If you give
him a battery, which has energy in it, he won't be able to utilize it
because he can't eat it. Thus the battery has high entropy relative to
the needs of the user, even though it has a high concentration of
energy. It is a USELESS concentration of energy to that particular
need.
On the other hand if you give bread to a man lost in a dark cave
whose flashlight has gone dim, again the bread will do him little good
because he needs the battery!
As energy is expended in one form, like the battery burning the
light bulb, it tends to expand out into another form, like light
racing across the universe. That light is still energy, but it is of
no further use to the original user of the battery once it is gone.
Unless of course he is signalling mars with his flash light!
But once it hits Mars, the light gets absorbed as heat and is no
more, again it becomes useless to anyone unless one is trying to heat
Mars.
You see how it goes, in many ways entropy is the state of energy in
relation to its usefullness to a particular purpose.
Now it is tempting to say that there is none the less an absolute
state of entropy, a state where energy is useless to everyone, meaning
no longer capable of transforming into any other kind of energy (which
is all that usefullness is), and thus everything eventually becomes an
unchanging state.
But one has to remember that energy comes in two forms, potential
and kinetic. The battery is potential, the light is kinetic.
The Sun is a source of kinetic energy which hits random carbon
dioxide moecules on EARTH splitting them up.
You start with some photons and CO2, and you end up with no photons
and Carbon and Oxygen. Is that a higher state of entropy? Well
relative to the sun yes, but relative to an animal no.
Although highly simplified here, the carbon forms plants and trees,
and act as a storage battery for the light from the suns. Plants are
the battery in a state of charge.
Animals would much prefer that a plant cell trap a photon, than a
rock where the light is 'lost' to heat.
But the heat keeps the plant warm, and alive, for if it gets too
cold, the plant won't live.
The animal eats the plant using up the charge in the battery, and
turns it into muscle power which it uses to plant more plants or build
silos for plants, or tranportation systems for plants, a civilization in
other words.
Thus we have a small eddy of anti entropy that takes photons from
the sun, stores them as plants, gets eaten as animals which do useful
work (relative to them) to build civilizations. THEN the photon escapes
as heat into space never to be useful again :).
Until it hits Mars and helps them grow plants too (in the future).
So the flow of energy from high concentrations (anti entropy) to
low dispersed uselessness is not a simple path, and what happens along
the way is everything we call life.
Life is the death throes of anti-entropy heading for entropy.
In this model life is swirls in a river where things go around and
round, but eventually EVERYTHING gets swept out to sea (final entropy).
But in all this we need to remember that what started out as
kinetic energy from the sun, ends up as potential energy, first in the
carbon of the plants, and finally as background cosmic radiation.
Take a ball and throw it up in the air, when it reaches it's top it
no longer has an kinetic energy, but all the energy is still there as
potential energy. Some was lost to friction in the air as heat and it
is gone to the great dispersement in the sky, or off to heat Mars.
But the rest is recoverable as the ball falls back down and hits
your hand as fast as you sent it up, almost.
So the entire universe is expanding and thus storing all of its
expended energy as gravitational potential energy. This might be
useless to any thing in that universe near the end when things are at
maximum expansion, and maximum dispersement, but the energy is all still
there!
*IF* the universe turns around and starts to collapse under its own
gravitational field, just like the ball turning around and dropping,
then all that dispersed energy gets concentrated again until the
universe either crashes into itself at an infinite point or passes by
itself, or through itself at a very small point and starts another
expansion cycle. At that point all the potential energy is now again
kinetic.
If the universe never turns around and just keeps expanding forever
because its original impetus had escape velocity, or because new energy
is being pumped into the system, then entropy will grow forever, but the
energy is never lost.
Because there is nothing saying that a universe must fundamentally
expand forever, entropy then is only king while its in the lime light,
for in a universe that does contract, like the ball falls once thrown in
the air, anti entropy becomes king during the reverse process.
Since life depends on a balance of anti entropy and entropy,
not an excessive amount of each, as the universe collapses back
into itself, it may be that the life forms that survive will be
the ones that create the greatest ENTROPY for themselves to keep
themselves alive for a while.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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VALUEABLE FINAL PRODUCT OF BEING AND BECOMING
This is about the posting below.
The valuable *FINAL* product of activity can not be BEING
nor even better BEING.
Instead of BEING maybe you mean BECOMING, better BECOMING.
BEING is above space and time, and has no better or worse.
You HAD better BEING, what are you now doing BECOMING down here in
life?
Life seems to be mostly of games, games are games of BECOMING, so the
VFP of BEING might be quality games of BECOMING.
The VFP of the guy while he is BECOMING some identity or another
inside a game is what ever the game defines as valuable, food, water and
shelter say.
I remind everyone that one can not BE an identity, that's a serious
alter-is. One can only BECOME an identity, which means not just the first
moment of moving into the identity from a state of BEING, but continuing
the identity from that first moment of assumption to the last moment of
deassumption.
English makes this hard, one says "I AM A COP". "I AM BEING A COP".
No, one is BECOMING A COP in space and time, continuously as long as
one is a cop, you see?
If he were BEING a cop, it would be a spaceless and timeless cop.
Thus BEING can not be improved, but BECOMING can be, and thus
quality BECOMING is the VFP of BEING.
Homer
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
> On Dec 6, 6:19?am, Keith <ksj...@invalid.tld> wrote:
>>
>> IMO Oatee powers are mostly a plate of wishful thinking with a healthy
>> heaping of "Scientology processing" to unhinge one's perception of
>> what's actually going on. Mass delusion by agreement. Riddle me this -
>> why don't we ever hear Oatees doing something to help mankind. How about
>> postulating some well-fed children for a change. This "yes I can, no you
>> can't" is getting very silly.
>>
>> In the 40+ years Scientology has plagued mankind, no one even came close
>> to proving the validity of "the state of clear", let alone any oatee
>> powers. At least this is the way this wog sees it.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, forget showing off your powers. Feed some starving
>> children - postulate trucks of food; that will show them unbelievers.
>>
>> Personally, I couldn't care if you can move mountains and leap tall
>> buildings. If you have this ability (even though you argue against
>> demonstrating it), help some people who need it.
>>
>> That would impress me. Not useless banter whether they exist or not. And
>> to be honest, if anything is possible in improving the human spirit and
>> aiding in the discovery of possible new abilities, I would seriously
>> doubt that Scientology would fill this bill.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>> PS Above is only my opinion.
>>
>
> Dapperdobbs said:
>
> IMO, you are a smart and practical guy Keith, and I get this idea you
> help people as you can, when you can, with your rationality and I'm
> sure you have many friends and will do continue to do very well in
> life. It is important, and people do try to do the best they can even
> in the face of a great many very personal reasons to hate and quit and
> destroy. Those trying to do good by making positive statements make
> easy targets for the tiny minority who would ridicule anything
> positive - I wish I knew the entire 'secret' as to why that is, but I
> see it on the internet all the time - 'trolls' who seem to have no
> other purpose than inciting to riot, and the only logical point these
> 'guys' have is to make wrong. I know it's not that hard to make
> someone right, with just a little looking and a little thought. With a
> little practice, it's possible to learn to ask someone a question with
> real personal interest to them, to try to get them to see a bit more
> about themselves or about others. I know someone who is really good at
> asking good questions, and the guy isn't a Scientologist.
>
> My personal experience in this life has not been an easy one - good
> spots and rough spots, but the bad spots almost killed me. I'm sure
> you're used to hearing people tell you stories of their lives. When I
> ran into Sccn, it was still an OK organization. It had just started
> turning bad. So I left. But the brief contact I had with it literally
> saved me by getting me back on track in life. I got a lot of support
> from my family and friends too. When some smarter guys in Scn left the
> CoS, I got in touch with them, and then I made some real progress. For
> literally one-tenth the money the CoS wanted, I got my OT levels in.
> This was not perfect, understand, but it was good enough for me to
> achieve what I set out to get.
>
> This is hard to express or say, and I'm not trying to be an ass or
> make anyone feel guilty, but somehow some people had more solid
> footing in life than I did. Not many, OK, but to do what I wanted, to
> have what I still want, requires a high level of smarts, and I've met
> guys who have a better grip on things. Through my own efforts, and
> through auditing to straighten out some major strictly personal
> roadblocks, I see that the trouble I got into, I created. I got into
> it. Sure there were a minortiy of people there pushing anyone they
> could into trouble, and a lot of people who didn't know what to do or
> didn't care, and too few people to catche me before I screwed up. I
> also see that getting out of trouble is my doing. Scn was there, but I
> took it and used it.
>
> A few months ago, all on my own, and for the first time in my life,
> fully conscious, fully awake, I moved out of my body. I'm sure there
> are some who might read that and laugh, and think about some guy who's
> now really screwed up. OK with me - I try not to tell someone what to
> think. Part of going exterior at will with full perceptics is the
> simple and very real realization that one exists in one's own
> universe, independently of others. Although agreements do exist, these
> are made (agreed on) by an individual, and he's free to unmake them at
> any time. I'm not talking about intentional betrayals, you understand,
> simply the facts that because I agree to meet someone tomorrow doesn't
> mean I can't go on and live my life inbetween now and then. That's
> really obvious, but when one gets into recollections of past lives,
> and the physical world, it takes on a kind of a bigger weight - that
> is my experience, in any case.
>
> Certainty is a funny thing. If one is certain about something, one is
> certain of it. I don't have any "super abilities" (as much as I
> imagine I would like to have some). I can't move ashtrays - or I
> haven't yet, in any case. I'm not sure I would tell, if I did, but
> then again, I'm not what anyone would call a conformist. One thing I
> am absolutely certain of is that if I do move an ashtray, it will seem
> like the most perfectly normal and natural thing in the world to me,
> personally.
>
> If I may ask you to retread back to where I started, many many years
> ago, I would have thought that if I could ask someone a simple natural
> logical question that led the guy to see more about himself and life,
> I'd be some kind of supernatural genius. That's where I was. Today, I
> sometimes get a good question in, and it seems like an obvious thing
> to me when I do. I kick myself for not having seen that question
> sooner than I did. I deplore the current CoS, and I'm not so sure that
> one large organization was a good idea to begin with, but really, it's
> the usual band of idiots who could screw up boiling an egg for
> breakfast. It's going to be that way for some time, the way I see it.
> But this time around, and next time around, I'm going to try to do
> something about it. You know, I''m sure, that making big changes in a
> society is done on a person-by-person basis. Sure we get leaders, but
> the ideas and visions of those leaders are what makes one guy move,
> then another, and another. It's the idea and the clarity of vision.
> One man can defeat an army of a billion men - if the one man is
> fighting on the right side, others will see that. (Too bad that moron
> Rommel missed that one, until the very end. Intimidation is a result
> of lack of certainty. And if one truly sees another, however
> terrifying, the right question will destroy the most evil - sometimes
> all it takes is a chuckle. Don't fight on their side of the court, but
> stay on your own side, and move on your own time. Churchill proved
> that words and will and certainty are more powerful than Tiger tanks -
> so did some guys in Beijing, standing in front of tanks. This is why
> tyrants want to squish free speech, first.)
>
> So that's what I wanted to float in front of you, my thoughts and
> experience. Scientology the study is good. It won't do everything - an
> individual has to take it, seize it, and put in some careful thought.
> The CoS is currently a bust. I haven't had anything to do with any of
> those guys for many years.
>
> This struggle for Knowledge and for a chance for many individuals to
> make better lives for themselves on their own accord, is what
> Scientology the study is about. The individual is first, Scn is
> something he can take and use to great benefit for himself and for
> those around him.
>
> I'll leave you with a question I'm working on. What is a being's
> principal activity? In other words, what is a being's principal
> product, that can be useful to others? Some on a web forum have said
> one after another, that "Being" is a being's principal activity.
> Sounds logical to me, makes sense, and I can see it and feel it. If
> that's a starting point, then it seems to me that "having a viewpoint"
> is a very similar statement. But that principal product isn't entirely
> satisfying, since obviously there are many sub-products, or products
> that stem from that: knowledge, for example. And one can have
> knowledge about many things. I don't know if Hubbard ever asked that
> or phrased that in those particular words, but if you follow that line
> of questioning, you end up with "The Factors" of Scientology (puts it
> all in a nutshell of three or four pages). And you end up with a lot
> of other Scn stuff as well, like Affinity, Reality, and Communication.
> You end up tracing all he way down to the basics of how to audit. From
> there, moving back from specific "how to's" in a very practical sense,
> moving back towards the philosophy of Scn, all the way back up, you
> end up with Being, again. Scn is just about facilitating better being,
> or being better, for one's own pleasure and benefit, as well as for
> others.
>
> It simply could not be more normal and natural. But look at the furor,
> and the mess, this has created, and continues to create. It isn't that
> it is wrong - far from it. It is that too few get it.
>
> Taking my cue from you, a bright guy: All of the above is a reflection
> of my personal viewpoint and opinion and experience, and should not be
> taken as "the truth" by anyone.
>
> Tue Dec 7 23:27:47 EST 2010
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> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
>
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VALUEABLE FINAL PRODUCT OF BEING AND BECOMING
This is about the posting below.
The valuable *FINAL* product of activity can not be BEING
nor even better BEING.
Instead of BEING maybe you mean BECOMING, better BECOMING.
BEING is above space and time, and has no better or worse.
You HAD better BEING, what are you now doing BECOMING down here in
life?
Life seems to be mostly of games, games are games of BECOMING, so the
VFP of BEING might be quality games of BECOMING.
The VFP of the guy while he is BECOMING some identity or another
inside a game is what ever the game defines as valuable, food, water and
shelter say.
I remind everyone that one can not BE an identity, that's a serious
alter-is. One can only BECOME an identity, which means not just the first
moment of moving into the identity from a state of BEING, but continuing
the identity from that first moment of assumption to the last moment of
deassumption.
English makes this hard, one says "I AM A COP". "I AM BEING A COP".
No, one is BECOMING A COP in space and time, continuously as long as
one is a cop, you see?
If he were BEING a cop, it would be a spaceless and timeless cop.
Thus BEING can not be improved, but BECOMING can be, and thus
quality BECOMING is the VFP of BEING.
Homer
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
> On Dec 6, 6:19?am, Keith <ksj...@invalid.tld> wrote:
>>
>> IMO Oatee powers are mostly a plate of wishful thinking with a healthy
>> heaping of "Scientology processing" to unhinge one's perception of
>> what's actually going on. Mass delusion by agreement. Riddle me this -
>> why don't we ever hear Oatees doing something to help mankind. How about
>> postulating some well-fed children for a change. This "yes I can, no you
>> can't" is getting very silly.
>>
>> In the 40+ years Scientology has plagued mankind, no one even came close
>> to proving the validity of "the state of clear", let alone any oatee
>> powers. At least this is the way this wog sees it.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, forget showing off your powers. Feed some starving
>> children - postulate trucks of food; that will show them unbelievers.
>>
>> Personally, I couldn't care if you can move mountains and leap tall
>> buildings. If you have this ability (even though you argue against
>> demonstrating it), help some people who need it.
>>
>> That would impress me. Not useless banter whether they exist or not. And
>> to be honest, if anything is possible in improving the human spirit and
>> aiding in the discovery of possible new abilities, I would seriously
>> doubt that Scientology would fill this bill.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>> PS Above is only my opinion.
>>
>
> Dapperdobbs said:
>
> IMO, you are a smart and practical guy Keith, and I get this idea you
> help people as you can, when you can, with your rationality and I'm
> sure you have many friends and will do continue to do very well in
> life. It is important, and people do try to do the best they can even
> in the face of a great many very personal reasons to hate and quit and
> destroy. Those trying to do good by making positive statements make
> easy targets for the tiny minority who would ridicule anything
> positive - I wish I knew the entire 'secret' as to why that is, but I
> see it on the internet all the time - 'trolls' who seem to have no
> other purpose than inciting to riot, and the only logical point these
> 'guys' have is to make wrong. I know it's not that hard to make
> someone right, with just a little looking and a little thought. With a
> little practice, it's possible to learn to ask someone a question with
> real personal interest to them, to try to get them to see a bit more
> about themselves or about others. I know someone who is really good at
> asking good questions, and the guy isn't a Scientologist.
>
> My personal experience in this life has not been an easy one - good
> spots and rough spots, but the bad spots almost killed me. I'm sure
> you're used to hearing people tell you stories of their lives. When I
> ran into Sccn, it was still an OK organization. It had just started
> turning bad. So I left. But the brief contact I had with it literally
> saved me by getting me back on track in life. I got a lot of support
> from my family and friends too. When some smarter guys in Scn left the
> CoS, I got in touch with them, and then I made some real progress. For
> literally one-tenth the money the CoS wanted, I got my OT levels in.
> This was not perfect, understand, but it was good enough for me to
> achieve what I set out to get.
>
> This is hard to express or say, and I'm not trying to be an ass or
> make anyone feel guilty, but somehow some people had more solid
> footing in life than I did. Not many, OK, but to do what I wanted, to
> have what I still want, requires a high level of smarts, and I've met
> guys who have a better grip on things. Through my own efforts, and
> through auditing to straighten out some major strictly personal
> roadblocks, I see that the trouble I got into, I created. I got into
> it. Sure there were a minortiy of people there pushing anyone they
> could into trouble, and a lot of people who didn't know what to do or
> didn't care, and too few people to catche me before I screwed up. I
> also see that getting out of trouble is my doing. Scn was there, but I
> took it and used it.
>
> A few months ago, all on my own, and for the first time in my life,
> fully conscious, fully awake, I moved out of my body. I'm sure there
> are some who might read that and laugh, and think about some guy who's
> now really screwed up. OK with me - I try not to tell someone what to
> think. Part of going exterior at will with full perceptics is the
> simple and very real realization that one exists in one's own
> universe, independently of others. Although agreements do exist, these
> are made (agreed on) by an individual, and he's free to unmake them at
> any time. I'm not talking about intentional betrayals, you understand,
> simply the facts that because I agree to meet someone tomorrow doesn't
> mean I can't go on and live my life inbetween now and then. That's
> really obvious, but when one gets into recollections of past lives,
> and the physical world, it takes on a kind of a bigger weight - that
> is my experience, in any case.
>
> Certainty is a funny thing. If one is certain about something, one is
> certain of it. I don't have any "super abilities" (as much as I
> imagine I would like to have some). I can't move ashtrays - or I
> haven't yet, in any case. I'm not sure I would tell, if I did, but
> then again, I'm not what anyone would call a conformist. One thing I
> am absolutely certain of is that if I do move an ashtray, it will seem
> like the most perfectly normal and natural thing in the world to me,
> personally.
>
> If I may ask you to retread back to where I started, many many years
> ago, I would have thought that if I could ask someone a simple natural
> logical question that led the guy to see more about himself and life,
> I'd be some kind of supernatural genius. That's where I was. Today, I
> sometimes get a good question in, and it seems like an obvious thing
> to me when I do. I kick myself for not having seen that question
> sooner than I did. I deplore the current CoS, and I'm not so sure that
> one large organization was a good idea to begin with, but really, it's
> the usual band of idiots who could screw up boiling an egg for
> breakfast. It's going to be that way for some time, the way I see it.
> But this time around, and next time around, I'm going to try to do
> something about it. You know, I''m sure, that making big changes in a
> society is done on a person-by-person basis. Sure we get leaders, but
> the ideas and visions of those leaders are what makes one guy move,
> then another, and another. It's the idea and the clarity of vision.
> One man can defeat an army of a billion men - if the one man is
> fighting on the right side, others will see that. (Too bad that moron
> Rommel missed that one, until the very end. Intimidation is a result
> of lack of certainty. And if one truly sees another, however
> terrifying, the right question will destroy the most evil - sometimes
> all it takes is a chuckle. Don't fight on their side of the court, but
> stay on your own side, and move on your own time. Churchill proved
> that words and will and certainty are more powerful than Tiger tanks -
> so did some guys in Beijing, standing in front of tanks. This is why
> tyrants want to squish free speech, first.)
>
> So that's what I wanted to float in front of you, my thoughts and
> experience. Scientology the study is good. It won't do everything - an
> individual has to take it, seize it, and put in some careful thought.
> The CoS is currently a bust. I haven't had anything to do with any of
> those guys for many years.
>
> This struggle for Knowledge and for a chance for many individuals to
> make better lives for themselves on their own accord, is what
> Scientology the study is about. The individual is first, Scn is
> something he can take and use to great benefit for himself and for
> those around him.
>
> I'll leave you with a question I'm working on. What is a being's
> principal activity? In other words, what is a being's principal
> product, that can be useful to others? Some on a web forum have said
> one after another, that "Being" is a being's principal activity.
> Sounds logical to me, makes sense, and I can see it and feel it. If
> that's a starting point, then it seems to me that "having a viewpoint"
> is a very similar statement. But that principal product isn't entirely
> satisfying, since obviously there are many sub-products, or products
> that stem from that: knowledge, for example. And one can have
> knowledge about many things. I don't know if Hubbard ever asked that
> or phrased that in those particular words, but if you follow that line
> of questioning, you end up with "The Factors" of Scientology (puts it
> all in a nutshell of three or four pages). And you end up with a lot
> of other Scn stuff as well, like Affinity, Reality, and Communication.
> You end up tracing all he way down to the basics of how to audit. From
> there, moving back from specific "how to's" in a very practical sense,
> moving back towards the philosophy of Scn, all the way back up, you
> end up with Being, again. Scn is just about facilitating better being,
> or being better, for one's own pleasure and benefit, as well as for
> others.
>
> It simply could not be more normal and natural. But look at the furor,
> and the mess, this has created, and continues to create. It isn't that
> it is wrong - far from it. It is that too few get it.
>
> Taking my cue from you, a bright guy: All of the above is a reflection
> of my personal viewpoint and opinion and experience, and should not be
> taken as "the truth" by anyone.
>
> Tue Dec 7 23:27:47 EST 2010
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> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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HELP Part 2 - DEPENDENCY
PROLOGUE
It will be very hard to audit anyone on the following material
until they have been cleared on desire and view, for one of the ways
that parents ruin children is by teaching them the lies of non
sovereignty.
In particular the mortal mind set quickly turns any being into a
zombie, who can't have anything that they want, and therefore must want
everything they have, which is a tombstone at the end of their grave.
There is nothing sadder than a mortal child, and teaching them
either death forever or hell forever is child abuse pure and simple.
Even if the child doesn't believe a word of it for a while, the
horror he feels at believing his parents believe it will eventually
overwhelm him into believing it too.
"It couldn't feel this bad if it weren't true."
One way to stop the Zombie meme passing on from parent to child, is
to teach the child early on to respond to every parental assertion with
"You don't know that."
That will put the parent in his place where he belongs, and if the
child turns out wrong, he will learn to apologize with grace.
The parent is free to use it on the child too, hopefully the child
will mimic back, and a relationship of respect for view will develop
between them.
"If you don't like it, it probably isn't true."
On the surface that might sound crazy, but if you look deep to the
mind and heart of a GodSoul, it is the only path, because at the top
there is perfect accord between desire and view.
If there weren't the GodSoul would remain eternally irritated at
the All_That_Is where it did not agree with his fundamental desires.
Since everything that is created comes from a GodSoul with absolute
veto power over his own creations and those of others in his own dream,
anything created must have met his pleasure when it was first created,
thus perfect accord is the mother of creation.
Thus even any disaccord to follow later must have been approved of
when it was first conceived and created.
DEPENDENCY
Now there is something that happens to a being while mortal that is
peculiar to being in a body. He gets born as a baby when he is utterly
dependent on his parents for survival.
Since his parents, no matter how good they are, are usually Zombie
Zoners, as he is soon to become, there will be certain events during his
childhood which will make him wish dearly that he was not dependent upon
them, and to never enter a parent/child relationship with them again.
This is called debonding.
For some, there will be very little to debond over, for others, the
child wants to kill his parents out of the gate.
But he is unable to break that relationship without killing himself
and perhaps kamikaze-ing them, and so he begins the process of surviving
by succumbing, by creating MORE limitations on his already limited
existence in order to make himself sick, unable, or accident prone, so
as to win the sympathy and cooperation, and avoid the domination, of his
parents and other significant team mates.
"Eat this, don't eat that, say this, don't say that, learn this,
don't learn that, sleep now, don't sleep then" etc. The child has
become a doll in the parent's doll house.
The parents think their child is THEIR child, their possession, to
do with as they will, rather than their responsibility to the greater
community of man kind.
The child is a ward of parental guardians, not the possession of
child abusers.
Your parents are supposed to BE ON YOUR SIDE in the game of
survival.
The parent wants the child to learn how to talk so they can teach
him what not to say.
The child first tries forthright complaint to right the blunt and
crass injustices heaped upon him, and failing that, he takes to
unexpressed resentment or propitiation towards his parents and covert
hostility TOWARDS HIMSELF, to render himself and his body sick and
unable.
All chronic psychosomatic conditions are the result of a covert
intention to succumb, based on the service computation that the way to
live is to die, or the way to survive is to succumb, the way to be able
it to be disabled, the way to be loved is to be sick, dead, or dying, or
something of that sort.
There are millions of them, and the EXACT wording must be found for
it to free up. This is because the words are in the very engrams he is
using, and the engrams will not revivify, release and/or erase unless
the exact words in the engram are found.
Since the child was dependent at the time of these events, and
since his efforts to harm himself made him MORE dependent, and since
these efforts are never relieved, but are compounded by more of the same
kind of thing that he does to HIS children later on when the child grows
up, he carries with him multiple layers of BEING DEPENDENT ON OTHERS TO
SURVIVE, and MAKING OTHERS DEPENDENT ON HIM TO SURVIVE.
The natural dependency of childhood on others goes away as he
matures, but the computational dependencies become utterly inexorable
and intractable, which is why he visits them on his children when he
KNOWS he hated it when his parents did it to him.
He is no longer able to think beyond doing the wrong thing to
deal with life and his own progeny.
So the first thing that needs to be addressed on your preclear's
case is getting him to a point where he is ADEQUATE TO HIS OWN SURVIVAL.
That means he can hold a job that he likes, save up for his old
age, and generally be able to live and breathe alone for himself.
He doesn't have to support a girlfriend, wife or family, and he
doesn't have to run a business with employees, and he doesn't have to
make a million dollars.
He just has to be able to be adequate to his own survival so he
depends on nothing and no one for his next meal, job, place to live,
creative tools to keep him busy, and he can pay for his own tombstone in
the end.
Since the events that led him to create crippling computational
dependencies on others were based on an effort to win their help and
allay their hostilities towards him, the way to resolve these issues is
a direct address to being dependent, as a child, on teammates who are
not playing "all for one and one for all," and the injustices that
occurred therein.
For example, mother feels most useful when the child feels most
useless, so mother makes sure the child is not allowed to feel useful to
himself or others.
In a rage, the child gets sick, whooping cough, nearly dies,
and has mother in tears and regret about having been so mean.
This makes a gorgeous, and I do mean BEAUTIFUL, villan, victim,
golden ally engram which the child can then use for the rest of his life
to keep his mother in line with reminders of guilt and regret.
The child was born with a very high native sense of justice and
where justice was violated with no regard for his well being, the being
is driven into unexpressed anger and resentment, and finally covert
hostility towards himself to make himself sick.
At first he knows he is doing it, but since he is using ENGRAMS,
which are moments of unawareness through force and pain, to bring about
these results on his body, he eventually loses awareness of what he is
doing, and the injury to self and body becomes automatic.
He also becomes ashamed of his 'survive by dying' behavior, and so
he hides it from himself regardless of how provoked he was, and how
necessary it might have been to his survival.
He is a kid, judging himself as a God.
That is in part why they are called PSYCHO SOMATICS, because he has
gone psycho in creating them, and later psycho in trying to stop them.
Psychosis is the effort to stop what one considers he didn't start.
Psychosis is total devotion to trying to stop something.
Since the way to stop any creation is to start it again and then
let it go, if a being can't start the creation again, he can never stop
it, and thus he becomes totally devoted to stopping what he considers he
never started. Thus he fails.
These psychotraumatic (same thing) conditions are created to deal
with the prior injustices, and thus an address to these earlier
injustices will lead to the reason why he created them, and the moment
he did. At that point he can stop doing these things to himself, and
reevaluate the usefulness of self directed covert hostility.
You may have to also audit what HE did as a mother to a child
in a past life and that child's reactions to HIM.
Now at this point it is important to notice that if the being is
STILL dependent on the suppressive parents or teammates, he will find it
hard to let go of surviving by succumbing, but if he is an adult and
free to speak his mind and go off and do his own things, then erasure of
these events is possible.
Even with the child still under suppression you should be able to
bring him up to where he at least knows what he is doing, and remains
good at doing it, and the child will also know exactly why he is doing
it rather than putting it all on automatic, asking 'where did this come
from?'
A clear can make himself sick at will, and a child that is making
himself sick at will is far better off than an adult that no longer has
any clue where all the suffering is coming from.
JUSTICE
Justice is fair exchange, it really has little to do with
punishment which is usually imposing an injustice on another in
retribution for an injustice.
On Earth justice amounts to two wrongs make a right.
True justice has everything to do with agreements, and in
particular agreements as to duties and rights.
From the basic catechism of Adore:
"For every duty there is a right, and for every right there is a
duty. You have a duty to have rights, and you have a right to have
duties. Rights are fair chosen exchange for fair chosen duties.
Justice is an operating balance of duties and rights.
If you would protect your rights, defend your duties.
If you would protect your duties, defend your rights.
The fundamental duty is honor, and the fundamental right is
dignity.
Honor is the ability to make keep and trade fair chosen promises.
Dignity is being the sole operator of yourself.
This I need to be true and this I adore." -From Adore.
An injustice then is any violation of the fair chosen agreements
between parent and child of their respective duties and rights.
Mother has a duty to feed the child and therefore the child has a
right to be fed.
So mother makes breakfast for the child and then eats it herself.
Child has a right to cry when hungry, and mother has a duty to
respond.
Mother refuses to respond while the child is crying not wanting to
spoil the child, and only responds after the child stops crying from
apathy and wanting to die. Every meal becomes a near death experience
for the child.
How hungry do you have to be to stop screaming for food?
Ever starve something you loved to death on purpose?
Morbid fascinations with evil of this order mean that the preclear
has had it done to him and may have done it to others in the past.
Or mother likes to get the child to stop crying by shaking it hard
enough to injure its neck.
Also mother likes to suffocate the child with hand over face until
the child is unconscious in order to get it to be quiet or get sympathy
from emergency visits to the hospital with the unconscious child.
These are extreme examples, but even in good families there are
signature injustice events that cause the child to go into a murderous
rage for the first time in his life.
No one is exempt, and they can be found during the learning phase
of language when the parent first uses illogic against the child to
assert a wrong position and dominate the child into accepting it.
Thus the auditor seeks each and every moment of murderous rage
between parent and child, and in particular the first moment of
murderous rage in this life, and then in any life.
Hubbard said "The preclear has to get angry to get better".
Blowing the caldera (social facade) off his volcano and allowing it
all to release without harming anyone, also raises the preclear's
affinity for others, as he sees they are also stewing in their own
suppressed anger and injustices and acting like flaming assholes in the
meanwhile.
YOU NEED TO SPOT AND RUN OUT EACH AND EVERY MOMENT OF MURDEROUS
RAGE IN THIS LIFE AND EVERY PAST LIFE in order to produce a well and
happy human being.
If these are not resolved and remediated with apologies, tears and
laughter ALL AROUND, they remain as festering sores and will be dealt
with by the child with a vengeance one way or another.
In most families children are taught to talk, but then they are
punished for talking and expressing themselves.
"This is a good word, and that is a bad word, and you shouldn't
even know what that word means..."
"You are too young for this, you are too old for that."
Ask any child of any age what all the words he knows are, and you
will find in the words he DOESN'T know, all the things the parents don't
want him in communication with.
Thus in many instances, in the absence of outright monster mothers,
much of the covert warfare takes place during the time from just before
being able to speak and just after.
A child will forgive its parents for just about anything,
particularly during the early times when it can't talk. But once the
child begins to say 'Mother that isn't fair', and gets back the usual
'Shut up you little sh*t machine', or the "We are your only parents and
you are expendable" routine, the child goes into blame towards the
parents.
Now blame can take three different directions.
The mother can accept the blame and say "you are right, I have been
an insensitive selfish thoughtless incompetent bitch, and I owe you an
apology."
That's the end of it.
Or the mother can refuse the blame, trying to pin it back on the
child as the child's fault, or refuse the blame with force, smacking the
child across the face with 'How dare you talk to me like that..."
The first case is called failure of blame by reversal, and the
second is failure of blame by force.
In these two instances the CHILD FEELS GUILT even though it is the
mother who is at fault.
This results in the covert war of covert hostility towards himself
that the child engages in to make himself more acceptable to the
suppressive teammates involved. It can be particularly bad when both
mother and father gang up on the child, because then the child has no
one to appeal to.
"How dare you talk to your mother that way, say you are sorry!"
"I am sorry mother (that I didn't kill you when I had the chance."
At some point the child will permanently debond, not only with his
parents, but with PARENTING AND HAVING CHILDREN in general, and they
will grow old and die lonely and without children and possibly without
mates.
Debonding is the genesis of loneliness.
No one around to even TRY to bond and debond with.
"You see that girl over there? She's gonna be my next ex-wife."
That's pretty high toned for Earth.
Ask a child if they want to marry someday and have children. If
they look glum or say no, watch out, there is/was a psycho parent in the
background ruining this child's future and temperament.
It will be the parent that smiled the most to the public.
First put the parent in therapy, never the child. A clear parent
will heal any child automatically.
OK, so that's the first thing we want to handle in all our
preclears, unresolved debondings whether great or small, and covert
hostilities towards self resulting in chronic unwanted conditions.
The child has to HATE his parents and then himself in order to get
stuck with a chronic somatic.
By hate I mean wish death and damnation off on them, and mean it
with full body, heart, mind and soul.
Later sympathies for his parents may bury his hate under a cover of
numb, but the somatic remains as long as the hate/symapthy relationship
remains covered and unexpressed.
You can not make a volcano go away by pouring concrete down its
throat.
Address is towards injustice between parent and child, and the
resulting resentment of natural dependency, resulting in refused
operation of the survival modes of that natural dependency, followed by
the creation of computational dependencies which make things better by
making things worse, for a while, but become a chronic problem later.
Specifically address is towards unexpressions of any kind, the
child must be free to speak its mind at all times, in particular about
dependency, basic purposes, justice and fair exchange.
Spot NO unexpression.
Spot SOME unexpression.
If the child doesn't feel free to speak on any subject, you have a
dangerous psychotic suppressive parent at the helm, at least on that
subject, and a dangerously PTS child headed towards becoming a
suppressive parent himself.
APOLOGY
Apology is a Janus two faced word, in that it has two diametrically
opposite meanings.
1.) A statement of acknowledgement expressing regret, or requesting
pardon for a fault or offense.
2.) A formal justification or defense for the transgression.
In all fairness to good parents, everyone is born with a lot of
baggage from their whole track.
Every being is carrying around a time track of his past history in
this universe.
The body has its own time track that is separate from the being in
the body (who doesn't belong there by the way), and the body is
surrounded by many other beings intimately involved with the body who
have their own time tracks too.
And all of these beings have time tracks they have bought or stolen
or traded with others down through time.
As time tracks contain a complete record of everything, both good
and bad, that the being has experienced AND DONE, it has a lot of charge
in it that makes it almost impossible to carry along with you without
getting you into trouble.
The primary claim to fame for a time track is its tendency to
restimulate in moments that are similar to present time.
The kid is being spanked in this life for stealing candy, the same
being was publicly whipped to death for stealing gold from the king 500
years ago.
Maybe the whipping happened to the being, maybe it belongs to the
body or its spiritual team mates, maybe its from a bought or stolen time
track.
It doesn't matter, if it comes into restimulation during a
spanking, you can expect the child to have an 'inappropriate' reaction.
Even if the parents are utterly perfect, the ups and downs of life,
school, work, war etc will restimulate a being's whole track and produce
wild and unexpected behavior, usually not appropriate to the situation
at hand.
This can range from heated words to murder.
Usually a being knows when he has over reacted, and the natural
tendency is to apologize for this behavior and make amends to the
wounded party.
Sometimes the wounded party accepts the apology, sometimes not.
Often however the being has no clue where the behavior came from,
it just takes him over and 'makes him do it,' and he feels deep shame
and chagrin at this, sometimes blaming it on the people who were
restimulating him, driving him crazy, making him trigger happy.
In these cases the being will be tempted to make himself right and
the other wrong, and thus justify his over reaction.
This leads to the odd situation where the being feels down deep
that it was wrong, but has to outwardly assert that it was right.
This includes then the tendency to do it again and again when the
restimulation calls for it, but restrain it over and over and punish him
self for it because it is wrong.
The action in question becomes both right AND wrong.
This right wrong oscillation is one form of pure insanity.
Now parents have no idea where this stuff comes from either, AND
THEY ARE GUILTY OF OVER REACTIONS THEMSELVES WHEN THEY WERE CHILDREN,
AND AS ADULTS TOWARDS THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
So wars get started between parent and child where a few apologies
traded back and forth would have brought peace.
For example, parents don't like a friend their child brings home,
and they thoughtlessly refuse to let him play with the friend.
The parents in this case may be right, but child doesn't see it
that way.
2000 years ago, this child's parents kept him away from the one
true love of his life and arranged behind his back to have her killed.
He found out about this before it happened, but could not stop the
murder, and when he learned his parents were directly involved he
debonded from them forever.
So now, the child goes into a fury over being criticized for his
new friend.
It can take some very big parents to bring the child to present
time, and separate the two events.
If instead they get angry at the child and use force to separate
him from his new friend, telling the child to obey and suck it up
without question or recourse, the child may debond for good, and the
parents will lose, for the child will abandon them to die alone without
his care in old age.
God, justice is sweet.
Always use reason first before force or deceit, the child does.
Parents should give their children some tools against the parent's
own insanities.
For example teach your child early on to tell you that if you keep
at it, he won't take care of you in your old age.
Anyhow apologies are important, but can never be forced.
A parent who tells his child to apologize for something the child
is still furious about will be rewarded with a full fledged debonding
that won't heal until the PARENT apologizes to the child for overriding
the child's self determined affinities or lack thereof.
And the child won't TELL the parents what he is so ticked off
about, so if the parents can't figure it out, they are out of luck.
BLAME
Blame happens when someone or something does something wrong to you
and you punish them back.
Usually the villan apologizes, the victim accepts and mutual
affinity is restored.
Sometimes the victim will punish the wrong person, and so the
victim now becomes a villan.
The victim will then blame the true perpetrator for having turned
him accidentally into a villan.
Mother has a bad habit of moving child's toys where he can't find
him.
One day child gets furious at mother for doing this, but finds
this time his toy had been misplaced by someone else.
Now he owes mother an apology who has been jerking him around for
ages, and ridiculing his upsets on the matter, and he blames the person
who did move his toys for irritating him to a point where he blamed his
mother when she was innocent.
"Now I am guilty because of you."
But he also still blames his mother for all the past times she did
mess with his stuff and never apologized, so he is caught in a
humiliation of having to apologize to an enemy, his mother, someone who
might have deserved an apology in the present instance, but certainly
didn't deserve an apology for a long run of past incidents that had been
building up to overflow.
Mother's learing snearing gloat over his humiliation doesn't help.
About the worst thing a being can do is blame another for his own
crimes.
The other gets punished and the being has a major withhold for the
rest of time.
Goober has been warned over and over again never to play with
matches.
One day he is playing with matches and burns the house down.
No one is harmed, but when asked who did it, Goober says Dufus his
friend from next door did it.
Goober's father, who never liked his neighbors anyhow, storms next
door and sets Dufus's house on fire, which burns to the ground, killing
Dufus and his mother.
Goober's father goes to jail, and Dufus's father suspecting Goober,
swears eternal vengeance against Goober.
Goober later arranges for Dufus's father to be killed, and the
matter and accusations are dropped and forgotten.
Goober now has a multi layered skeleton in his closet which is very
hard to audit out.
Sometimes a being can't figure out who is at fault, and gets into
an indecision on blame and or apology.
Thus the blame stays alive and the apology is never given, all
powered by doubt, should I blame or should I apologize?
A being can become completely insane if he has a blame AND an
apology towards the same being at the same time.
That's not an indecision you see, he will be blaming (punishing)
AND apologizing (punishing self) full time.
ANDS kill sanity, like cyanide kills rats.
HOW TO RUN JUSTICE, BLAME, APOLOGY AND INDECISION
So the basic law here is emotional numbness is the result of
withheld or refused apology.
There are a number of flows that can go on which if not handled
will make the various parties VERY SICK on both sides of the war.
Child trying to get an apology from the parent.
Parent refusing to give an apology to the child.
Child trying to give an apology to the parent.
Parent refusing to accept apology from the child.
Parent trying to get an apology from the child.
Child refusing to give an apology to the parent.
Parent trying to give an apology to the child.
Child refusing to accept an apology from the parent.
We run this as follows:
When NO won't run although it obviously should, use REFUSED
instead.
Spot NO apology.
Spot SOME apology.
Spot NO indecision on apology.
Spot SOME indecision on apology.
Spot NO blame.
Spot SOME blame.
Spot NO indecision on blame.
Spot SOME indecision on blame.
Spot NO blame AND apology.
Spot SOME blame AND apology.
Spot NO injustice.
Spot SOME injustice.
Spot NO dependency.
spot SOME dependency.
For the rest of these, ideal can be replaced by perfect,
or best possible.
Spot NO ideal mother.
Spot SOME ideal mother.
Spot NO ideal father.
Spot SOME ideal father.
Spot NO ideal son.
Spot SOME ideal son.
Spot NO ideal daughter.
Spot SOME ideal daughter.
The above can be run between parent and child, or any other
terminals of import in your preclear's life. By import we mean a
dependency where justice and fair exchange went awry.
The word sympathy can be substituted for 'an apology' in the above
processes and should be, on a second run through. This process alone
can keep a person from killing themselves from hysteria.
The suppressive is the terminal who is refusing to apologize or
give sympathy for a true wrong, but engages in justification to cover up
themselves instead.
Probably the only thing wrong with a criminal is he never
apologized. But then neither did his parents.
Suppressiveness is not necessarily a chronic condition, both sides
will act suppressively when surprised by their own over reactions during
moments of perceived injustice.
But suppressiveness can become chronic if the
justification/restraint process is allowed to continue and is not
resolved through apology, sympathy and good will again.
Generally the being will want to know where the over reaction that
controlled him unexpectedly came from, and he will need auditing on the
earlier incident that became restimulated.
Most of these will be almost unconfrontable for how horrific they
were.
But the end result of running them out will be tears and laughter
again.
IN SUMMARY
Getting the first time that the child chose to deploy becoming
sick, disabled or accident prone in order to handle a suppressive
parent, and visa versa, will clear the
injustice/anger/regret/justification/restraint cycle out of the
relationship, and produce a dependency release.
Remember both parent and child will have 'started it'
independently, and both will have continued it once the other started
it.
Who started it first is not relevant, and both are nailed to their
crosses from THEIR OWN lunacy not the lunacy of the other.
What you are looking for is perceived injustice, anger, regret of
anger, followed by justification, no sympathy and failed or refused
apology.
It wasn't what the parent did to the child that aberrated him into
a state of permanent unhealingness, it was what the child did to himself
when the 'reason/anger/deceit' cycle was put into play.
The way to happiness is a true confession all around.
END PHENOMENA
E/P 1 is a well and happy human being, no longer suffering from
computational dependencies and free from deployed somatics or chronic
unwanted disabilities or conditions.
E/P 2 is adequate and sufficient to his own survival with a body.
E/P 3 No longer making other's wrong or justifying self for one's
own misdeeds. Able and willing to apologize for anything whether he did
it or not, no longer stuck in an indecision or an AND on blame or
apology.
E/P 4 No longer needs, but can receive and give sympathy and
apologies freely. Able and willing to be wrong, willing for others to
have been wrong.
E/P 5 Able to spot and not get involved in other's continuing
insanities, justifications and restraints, make wrongs, covert
hostilities towards themselves, or withheld/refused apologies.
E/P 6 Able and interested in raising sane children who can raise
sane children.
E/P 7 Never had a bad parent, and can't imagine what a bad parent
is.
E/P 8 Desire is sovereign on the second dynamic (families).
Sovereign desire means desire = have.
Homer
HELP Part 0, TRIAD
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http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help1
HELP Part 2, DEPENDENCY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help2
HELP Part 3, PRIDE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help3
HELP Part 4, SUMMARY TO DATE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help4
HELP Part 5, PRIDE BY DYNAMICS
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help5
HELP Part 6, STATURE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help6
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HELP Part 2 - DEPENDENCY
PROLOGUE
It will be very hard to audit anyone on the following material
until they have been cleared on desire and view, for one of the ways
that parents ruin children is by teaching them the lies of non
sovereignty.
In particular the mortal mind set quickly turns any being into a
zombie, who can't have anything that they want, and therefore must want
everything they have, which is a tombstone at the end of their grave.
There is nothing sadder than a mortal child, and teaching them
either death forever or hell forever is child abuse pure and simple.
Even if the child doesn't believe a word of it for a while, the
horror he feels at believing his parents believe it will eventually
overwhelm him into believing it too.
"It couldn't feel this bad if it weren't true."
One way to stop the Zombie meme passing on from parent to child, is
to teach the child early on to respond to every parental assertion with
"You don't know that."
That will put the parent in his place where he belongs, and if the
child turns out wrong, he will learn to apologize with grace.
The parent is free to use it on the child too, hopefully the child
will mimic back, and a relationship of respect for view will develop
between them.
"If you don't like it, it probably isn't true."
On the surface that might sound crazy, but if you look deep to the
mind and heart of a GodSoul, it is the only path, because at the top
there is perfect accord between desire and view.
If there weren't the GodSoul would remain eternally irritated at
the All_That_Is where it did not agree with his fundamental desires.
Since everything that is created comes from a GodSoul with absolute
veto power over his own creations and those of others in his own dream,
anything created must have met his pleasure when it was first created,
thus perfect accord is the mother of creation.
Thus even any disaccord to follow later must have been approved of
when it was first conceived and created.
DEPENDENCY
Now there is something that happens to a being while mortal that is
peculiar to being in a body. He gets born as a baby when he is utterly
dependent on his parents for survival.
Since his parents, no matter how good they are, are usually Zombie
Zoners, as he is soon to become, there will be certain events during his
childhood which will make him wish dearly that he was not dependent upon
them, and to never enter a parent/child relationship with them again.
This is called debonding.
For some, there will be very little to debond over, for others, the
child wants to kill his parents out of the gate.
But he is unable to break that relationship without killing himself
and perhaps kamikaze-ing them, and so he begins the process of surviving
by succumbing, by creating MORE limitations on his already limited
existence in order to make himself sick, unable, or accident prone, so
as to win the sympathy and cooperation, and avoid the domination, of his
parents and other significant team mates.
"Eat this, don't eat that, say this, don't say that, learn this,
don't learn that, sleep now, don't sleep then" etc. The child has
become a doll in the parent's doll house.
The parents think their child is THEIR child, their possession, to
do with as they will, rather than their responsibility to the greater
community of man kind.
The child is a ward of parental guardians, not the possession of
child abusers.
Your parents are supposed to BE ON YOUR SIDE in the game of
survival.
The parent wants the child to learn how to talk so they can teach
him what not to say.
The child first tries forthright complaint to right the blunt and
crass injustices heaped upon him, and failing that, he takes to
unexpressed resentment or propitiation towards his parents and covert
hostility TOWARDS HIMSELF, to render himself and his body sick and
unable.
All chronic psychosomatic conditions are the result of a covert
intention to succumb, based on the service computation that the way to
live is to die, or the way to survive is to succumb, the way to be able
it to be disabled, the way to be loved is to be sick, dead, or dying, or
something of that sort.
There are millions of them, and the EXACT wording must be found for
it to free up. This is because the words are in the very engrams he is
using, and the engrams will not revivify, release and/or erase unless
the exact words in the engram are found.
Since the child was dependent at the time of these events, and
since his efforts to harm himself made him MORE dependent, and since
these efforts are never relieved, but are compounded by more of the same
kind of thing that he does to HIS children later on when the child grows
up, he carries with him multiple layers of BEING DEPENDENT ON OTHERS TO
SURVIVE, and MAKING OTHERS DEPENDENT ON HIM TO SURVIVE.
The natural dependency of childhood on others goes away as he
matures, but the computational dependencies become utterly inexorable
and intractable, which is why he visits them on his children when he
KNOWS he hated it when his parents did it to him.
He is no longer able to think beyond doing the wrong thing to
deal with life and his own progeny.
So the first thing that needs to be addressed on your preclear's
case is getting him to a point where he is ADEQUATE TO HIS OWN SURVIVAL.
That means he can hold a job that he likes, save up for his old
age, and generally be able to live and breathe alone for himself.
He doesn't have to support a girlfriend, wife or family, and he
doesn't have to run a business with employees, and he doesn't have to
make a million dollars.
He just has to be able to be adequate to his own survival so he
depends on nothing and no one for his next meal, job, place to live,
creative tools to keep him busy, and he can pay for his own tombstone in
the end.
Since the events that led him to create crippling computational
dependencies on others were based on an effort to win their help and
allay their hostilities towards him, the way to resolve these issues is
a direct address to being dependent, as a child, on teammates who are
not playing "all for one and one for all," and the injustices that
occurred therein.
For example, mother feels most useful when the child feels most
useless, so mother makes sure the child is not allowed to feel useful to
himself or others.
In a rage, the child gets sick, whooping cough, nearly dies,
and has mother in tears and regret about having been so mean.
This makes a gorgeous, and I do mean BEAUTIFUL, villan, victim,
golden ally engram which the child can then use for the rest of his life
to keep his mother in line with reminders of guilt and regret.
The child was born with a very high native sense of justice and
where justice was violated with no regard for his well being, the being
is driven into unexpressed anger and resentment, and finally covert
hostility towards himself to make himself sick.
At first he knows he is doing it, but since he is using ENGRAMS,
which are moments of unawareness through force and pain, to bring about
these results on his body, he eventually loses awareness of what he is
doing, and the injury to self and body becomes automatic.
He also becomes ashamed of his 'survive by dying' behavior, and so
he hides it from himself regardless of how provoked he was, and how
necessary it might have been to his survival.
He is a kid, judging himself as a God.
That is in part why they are called PSYCHO SOMATICS, because he has
gone psycho in creating them, and later psycho in trying to stop them.
Psychosis is the effort to stop what one considers he didn't start.
Psychosis is total devotion to trying to stop something.
Since the way to stop any creation is to start it again and then
let it go, if a being can't start the creation again, he can never stop
it, and thus he becomes totally devoted to stopping what he considers he
never started. Thus he fails.
These psychotraumatic (same thing) conditions are created to deal
with the prior injustices, and thus an address to these earlier
injustices will lead to the reason why he created them, and the moment
he did. At that point he can stop doing these things to himself, and
reevaluate the usefulness of self directed covert hostility.
You may have to also audit what HE did as a mother to a child
in a past life and that child's reactions to HIM.
Now at this point it is important to notice that if the being is
STILL dependent on the suppressive parents or teammates, he will find it
hard to let go of surviving by succumbing, but if he is an adult and
free to speak his mind and go off and do his own things, then erasure of
these events is possible.
Even with the child still under suppression you should be able to
bring him up to where he at least knows what he is doing, and remains
good at doing it, and the child will also know exactly why he is doing
it rather than putting it all on automatic, asking 'where did this come
from?'
A clear can make himself sick at will, and a child that is making
himself sick at will is far better off than an adult that no longer has
any clue where all the suffering is coming from.
JUSTICE
Justice is fair exchange, it really has little to do with
punishment which is usually imposing an injustice on another in
retribution for an injustice.
On Earth justice amounts to two wrongs make a right.
True justice has everything to do with agreements, and in
particular agreements as to duties and rights.
From the basic catechism of Adore:
"For every duty there is a right, and for every right there is a
duty. You have a duty to have rights, and you have a right to have
duties. Rights are fair chosen exchange for fair chosen duties.
Justice is an operating balance of duties and rights.
If you would protect your rights, defend your duties.
If you would protect your duties, defend your rights.
The fundamental duty is honor, and the fundamental right is
dignity.
Honor is the ability to make keep and trade fair chosen promises.
Dignity is being the sole operator of yourself.
This I need to be true and this I adore." -From Adore.
An injustice then is any violation of the fair chosen agreements
between parent and child of their respective duties and rights.
Mother has a duty to feed the child and therefore the child has a
right to be fed.
So mother makes breakfast for the child and then eats it herself.
Child has a right to cry when hungry, and mother has a duty to
respond.
Mother refuses to respond while the child is crying not wanting to
spoil the child, and only responds after the child stops crying from
apathy and wanting to die. Every meal becomes a near death experience
for the child.
How hungry do you have to be to stop screaming for food?
Ever starve something you loved to death on purpose?
Morbid fascinations with evil of this order mean that the preclear
has had it done to him and may have done it to others in the past.
Or mother likes to get the child to stop crying by shaking it hard
enough to injure its neck.
Also mother likes to suffocate the child with hand over face until
the child is unconscious in order to get it to be quiet or get sympathy
from emergency visits to the hospital with the unconscious child.
These are extreme examples, but even in good families there are
signature injustice events that cause the child to go into a murderous
rage for the first time in his life.
No one is exempt, and they can be found during the learning phase
of language when the parent first uses illogic against the child to
assert a wrong position and dominate the child into accepting it.
Thus the auditor seeks each and every moment of murderous rage
between parent and child, and in particular the first moment of
murderous rage in this life, and then in any life.
Hubbard said "The preclear has to get angry to get better".
Blowing the caldera (social facade) off his volcano and allowing it
all to release without harming anyone, also raises the preclear's
affinity for others, as he sees they are also stewing in their own
suppressed anger and injustices and acting like flaming assholes in the
meanwhile.
YOU NEED TO SPOT AND RUN OUT EACH AND EVERY MOMENT OF MURDEROUS
RAGE IN THIS LIFE AND EVERY PAST LIFE in order to produce a well and
happy human being.
If these are not resolved and remediated with apologies, tears and
laughter ALL AROUND, they remain as festering sores and will be dealt
with by the child with a vengeance one way or another.
In most families children are taught to talk, but then they are
punished for talking and expressing themselves.
"This is a good word, and that is a bad word, and you shouldn't
even know what that word means..."
"You are too young for this, you are too old for that."
Ask any child of any age what all the words he knows are, and you
will find in the words he DOESN'T know, all the things the parents don't
want him in communication with.
Thus in many instances, in the absence of outright monster mothers,
much of the covert warfare takes place during the time from just before
being able to speak and just after.
A child will forgive its parents for just about anything,
particularly during the early times when it can't talk. But once the
child begins to say 'Mother that isn't fair', and gets back the usual
'Shut up you little sh*t machine', or the "We are your only parents and
you are expendable" routine, the child goes into blame towards the
parents.
Now blame can take three different directions.
The mother can accept the blame and say "you are right, I have been
an insensitive selfish thoughtless incompetent bitch, and I owe you an
apology."
That's the end of it.
Or the mother can refuse the blame, trying to pin it back on the
child as the child's fault, or refuse the blame with force, smacking the
child across the face with 'How dare you talk to me like that..."
The first case is called failure of blame by reversal, and the
second is failure of blame by force.
In these two instances the CHILD FEELS GUILT even though it is the
mother who is at fault.
This results in the covert war of covert hostility towards himself
that the child engages in to make himself more acceptable to the
suppressive teammates involved. It can be particularly bad when both
mother and father gang up on the child, because then the child has no
one to appeal to.
"How dare you talk to your mother that way, say you are sorry!"
"I am sorry mother (that I didn't kill you when I had the chance."
At some point the child will permanently debond, not only with his
parents, but with PARENTING AND HAVING CHILDREN in general, and they
will grow old and die lonely and without children and possibly without
mates.
Debonding is the genesis of loneliness.
No one around to even TRY to bond and debond with.
"You see that girl over there? She's gonna be my next ex-wife."
That's pretty high toned for Earth.
Ask a child if they want to marry someday and have children. If
they look glum or say no, watch out, there is/was a psycho parent in the
background ruining this child's future and temperament.
It will be the parent that smiled the most to the public.
First put the parent in therapy, never the child. A clear parent
will heal any child automatically.
OK, so that's the first thing we want to handle in all our
preclears, unresolved debondings whether great or small, and covert
hostilities towards self resulting in chronic unwanted conditions.
The child has to HATE his parents and then himself in order to get
stuck with a chronic somatic.
By hate I mean wish death and damnation off on them, and mean it
with full body, heart, mind and soul.
Later sympathies for his parents may bury his hate under a cover of
numb, but the somatic remains as long as the hate/symapthy relationship
remains covered and unexpressed.
You can not make a volcano go away by pouring concrete down its
throat.
Address is towards injustice between parent and child, and the
resulting resentment of natural dependency, resulting in refused
operation of the survival modes of that natural dependency, followed by
the creation of computational dependencies which make things better by
making things worse, for a while, but become a chronic problem later.
Specifically address is towards unexpressions of any kind, the
child must be free to speak its mind at all times, in particular about
dependency, basic purposes, justice and fair exchange.
Spot NO unexpression.
Spot SOME unexpression.
If the child doesn't feel free to speak on any subject, you have a
dangerous psychotic suppressive parent at the helm, at least on that
subject, and a dangerously PTS child headed towards becoming a
suppressive parent himself.
APOLOGY
Apology is a Janus two faced word, in that it has two diametrically
opposite meanings.
1.) A statement of acknowledgement expressing regret, or requesting
pardon for a fault or offense.
2.) A formal justification or defense for the transgression.
In all fairness to good parents, everyone is born with a lot of
baggage from their whole track.
Every being is carrying around a time track of his past history in
this universe.
The body has its own time track that is separate from the being in
the body (who doesn't belong there by the way), and the body is
surrounded by many other beings intimately involved with the body who
have their own time tracks too.
And all of these beings have time tracks they have bought or stolen
or traded with others down through time.
As time tracks contain a complete record of everything, both good
and bad, that the being has experienced AND DONE, it has a lot of charge
in it that makes it almost impossible to carry along with you without
getting you into trouble.
The primary claim to fame for a time track is its tendency to
restimulate in moments that are similar to present time.
The kid is being spanked in this life for stealing candy, the same
being was publicly whipped to death for stealing gold from the king 500
years ago.
Maybe the whipping happened to the being, maybe it belongs to the
body or its spiritual team mates, maybe its from a bought or stolen time
track.
It doesn't matter, if it comes into restimulation during a
spanking, you can expect the child to have an 'inappropriate' reaction.
Even if the parents are utterly perfect, the ups and downs of life,
school, work, war etc will restimulate a being's whole track and produce
wild and unexpected behavior, usually not appropriate to the situation
at hand.
This can range from heated words to murder.
Usually a being knows when he has over reacted, and the natural
tendency is to apologize for this behavior and make amends to the
wounded party.
Sometimes the wounded party accepts the apology, sometimes not.
Often however the being has no clue where the behavior came from,
it just takes him over and 'makes him do it,' and he feels deep shame
and chagrin at this, sometimes blaming it on the people who were
restimulating him, driving him crazy, making him trigger happy.
In these cases the being will be tempted to make himself right and
the other wrong, and thus justify his over reaction.
This leads to the odd situation where the being feels down deep
that it was wrong, but has to outwardly assert that it was right.
This includes then the tendency to do it again and again when the
restimulation calls for it, but restrain it over and over and punish him
self for it because it is wrong.
The action in question becomes both right AND wrong.
This right wrong oscillation is one form of pure insanity.
Now parents have no idea where this stuff comes from either, AND
THEY ARE GUILTY OF OVER REACTIONS THEMSELVES WHEN THEY WERE CHILDREN,
AND AS ADULTS TOWARDS THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
So wars get started between parent and child where a few apologies
traded back and forth would have brought peace.
For example, parents don't like a friend their child brings home,
and they thoughtlessly refuse to let him play with the friend.
The parents in this case may be right, but child doesn't see it
that way.
2000 years ago, this child's parents kept him away from the one
true love of his life and arranged behind his back to have her killed.
He found out about this before it happened, but could not stop the
murder, and when he learned his parents were directly involved he
debonded from them forever.
So now, the child goes into a fury over being criticized for his
new friend.
It can take some very big parents to bring the child to present
time, and separate the two events.
If instead they get angry at the child and use force to separate
him from his new friend, telling the child to obey and suck it up
without question or recourse, the child may debond for good, and the
parents will lose, for the child will abandon them to die alone without
his care in old age.
God, justice is sweet.
Always use reason first before force or deceit, the child does.
Parents should give their children some tools against the parent's
own insanities.
For example teach your child early on to tell you that if you keep
at it, he won't take care of you in your old age.
Anyhow apologies are important, but can never be forced.
A parent who tells his child to apologize for something the child
is still furious about will be rewarded with a full fledged debonding
that won't heal until the PARENT apologizes to the child for overriding
the child's self determined affinities or lack thereof.
And the child won't TELL the parents what he is so ticked off
about, so if the parents can't figure it out, they are out of luck.
BLAME
Blame happens when someone or something does something wrong to you
and you punish them back.
Usually the villan apologizes, the victim accepts and mutual
affinity is restored.
Sometimes the victim will punish the wrong person, and so the
victim now becomes a villan.
The victim will then blame the true perpetrator for having turned
him accidentally into a villan.
Mother has a bad habit of moving child's toys where he can't find
him.
One day child gets furious at mother for doing this, but finds
this time his toy had been misplaced by someone else.
Now he owes mother an apology who has been jerking him around for
ages, and ridiculing his upsets on the matter, and he blames the person
who did move his toys for irritating him to a point where he blamed his
mother when she was innocent.
"Now I am guilty because of you."
But he also still blames his mother for all the past times she did
mess with his stuff and never apologized, so he is caught in a
humiliation of having to apologize to an enemy, his mother, someone who
might have deserved an apology in the present instance, but certainly
didn't deserve an apology for a long run of past incidents that had been
building up to overflow.
Mother's learing snearing gloat over his humiliation doesn't help.
About the worst thing a being can do is blame another for his own
crimes.
The other gets punished and the being has a major withhold for the
rest of time.
Goober has been warned over and over again never to play with
matches.
One day he is playing with matches and burns the house down.
No one is harmed, but when asked who did it, Goober says Dufus his
friend from next door did it.
Goober's father, who never liked his neighbors anyhow, storms next
door and sets Dufus's house on fire, which burns to the ground, killing
Dufus and his mother.
Goober's father goes to jail, and Dufus's father suspecting Goober,
swears eternal vengeance against Goober.
Goober later arranges for Dufus's father to be killed, and the
matter and accusations are dropped and forgotten.
Goober now has a multi layered skeleton in his closet which is very
hard to audit out.
Sometimes a being can't figure out who is at fault, and gets into
an indecision on blame and or apology.
Thus the blame stays alive and the apology is never given, all
powered by doubt, should I blame or should I apologize?
A being can become completely insane if he has a blame AND an
apology towards the same being at the same time.
That's not an indecision you see, he will be blaming (punishing)
AND apologizing (punishing self) full time.
ANDS kill sanity, like cyanide kills rats.
HOW TO RUN JUSTICE, BLAME, APOLOGY AND INDECISION
So the basic law here is emotional numbness is the result of
withheld or refused apology.
There are a number of flows that can go on which if not handled
will make the various parties VERY SICK on both sides of the war.
Child trying to get an apology from the parent.
Parent refusing to give an apology to the child.
Child trying to give an apology to the parent.
Parent refusing to accept apology from the child.
Parent trying to get an apology from the child.
Child refusing to give an apology to the parent.
Parent trying to give an apology to the child.
Child refusing to accept an apology from the parent.
We run this as follows:
When NO won't run although it obviously should, use REFUSED
instead.
Spot NO apology.
Spot SOME apology.
Spot NO indecision on apology.
Spot SOME indecision on apology.
Spot NO blame.
Spot SOME blame.
Spot NO indecision on blame.
Spot SOME indecision on blame.
Spot NO blame AND apology.
Spot SOME blame AND apology.
Spot NO injustice.
Spot SOME injustice.
Spot NO dependency.
spot SOME dependency.
For the rest of these, ideal can be replaced by perfect,
or best possible.
Spot NO ideal mother.
Spot SOME ideal mother.
Spot NO ideal father.
Spot SOME ideal father.
Spot NO ideal son.
Spot SOME ideal son.
Spot NO ideal daughter.
Spot SOME ideal daughter.
The above can be run between parent and child, or any other
terminals of import in your preclear's life. By import we mean a
dependency where justice and fair exchange went awry.
The word sympathy can be substituted for 'an apology' in the above
processes and should be, on a second run through. This process alone
can keep a person from killing themselves from hysteria.
The suppressive is the terminal who is refusing to apologize or
give sympathy for a true wrong, but engages in justification to cover up
themselves instead.
Probably the only thing wrong with a criminal is he never
apologized. But then neither did his parents.
Suppressiveness is not necessarily a chronic condition, both sides
will act suppressively when surprised by their own over reactions during
moments of perceived injustice.
But suppressiveness can become chronic if the
justification/restraint process is allowed to continue and is not
resolved through apology, sympathy and good will again.
Generally the being will want to know where the over reaction that
controlled him unexpectedly came from, and he will need auditing on the
earlier incident that became restimulated.
Most of these will be almost unconfrontable for how horrific they
were.
But the end result of running them out will be tears and laughter
again.
IN SUMMARY
Getting the first time that the child chose to deploy becoming
sick, disabled or accident prone in order to handle a suppressive
parent, and visa versa, will clear the
injustice/anger/regret/justification/restraint cycle out of the
relationship, and produce a dependency release.
Remember both parent and child will have 'started it'
independently, and both will have continued it once the other started
it.
Who started it first is not relevant, and both are nailed to their
crosses from THEIR OWN lunacy not the lunacy of the other.
What you are looking for is perceived injustice, anger, regret of
anger, followed by justification, no sympathy and failed or refused
apology.
It wasn't what the parent did to the child that aberrated him into
a state of permanent unhealingness, it was what the child did to himself
when the 'reason/anger/deceit' cycle was put into play.
The way to happiness is a true confession all around.
END PHENOMENA
E/P 1 is a well and happy human being, no longer suffering from
computational dependencies and free from deployed somatics or chronic
unwanted disabilities or conditions.
E/P 2 is adequate and sufficient to his own survival with a body.
E/P 3 No longer making other's wrong or justifying self for one's
own misdeeds. Able and willing to apologize for anything whether he did
it or not, no longer stuck in an indecision or an AND on blame or
apology.
E/P 4 No longer needs, but can receive and give sympathy and
apologies freely. Able and willing to be wrong, willing for others to
have been wrong.
E/P 5 Able to spot and not get involved in other's continuing
insanities, justifications and restraints, make wrongs, covert
hostilities towards themselves, or withheld/refused apologies.
E/P 6 Able and interested in raising sane children who can raise
sane children.
E/P 7 Never had a bad parent, and can't imagine what a bad parent
is.
E/P 8 Desire is sovereign on the second dynamic (families).
Sovereign desire means desire = have.
Homer
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Ron's model of the time track as the source of aberration was a
simple model that everyone could understand, although I doubt if even
Ron would say in the later years that 'it was true'.
I remember some tape where Ron says "When you think facsimile,
think BT", or some such thing, indicating to me that what a facsimile
was, was actually an ongoing mockup in present time on the part of a
BT.
The time track idea was simply that as a being failed to confront
incidents, he made a persisting recording of the incident which could
be keyed out and unavailable but then get keyed in and affect him
later.
When certain facsimile's were keyed in permanently through
dramatization of valences and computations, they then became his
permanent case. Notice the facsimiles didn't CAUSE the aberration,
they merely formed the pattern of aberration, fair chosen by the
thetan, and provided the pain to enforce it once it was put on
automatic.
The best way to make mother feel sympathy for the kid was to use
a moment when the mother did something to the kid that the mother felt
sorry for!
Thus facsimiles of attempted abortions and early pre natal and
post natal abuse were fertile ground for steering mother's attention
in more desirable patterns.
Ron said that the thetan didn't originally have or need a time
track of facsimile based masses, but once he created one and made its
creation automatic, he became entrapped in it by virtue of USING the
force, pain and pattern of these masses in order to survive better
amongst others who were not jiving well with his survival.
Now Adore does not dismiss the idea of a facsimile based time
track, certainly ridges exist, every moment of unconfronted
unwillingness produces a ridge with theta energy on one side, and
'event' energy on the other. And also certainly many such events are
never fully experienced, the ridge is created so fast the being never
fully knows what happened during his own incident.
But Adore goes further to say that the being actually leaves a
part of his attention IN THE PAST event, strewn all along the path of
his travels. Not just on facsimiles he has made of his travels that
ride with him in present time.
Adore says he didn't confront the PAST EVENT, so there he is with
a wall on that event actually in the past.
Since a thetan can travel in time, and move along the time trail
as he pleases as an OT, it is not hard to imagine a thetan moving
along a time trail from event to event and leaving parts of himself
along that path as blocks to fully experiencing them.
In running the 'engram' i.e. moments of unconfronted
unwillingness, one finds that the pc actually has to figure out one
way or another what he should have done DURING THE INCIDENT ITSELF in
order to not form the engram or ridge. He chose to not-is, so he has
a wall against the event, but what SHOULD HE HAVE DONE in order to
leave a fully experienced analytical event behind him when it first
happened?
Once he fully figures out how he SHOULD HAVE handled the event
when it first happened to leave a clean event, there will no longer
be any need of a wall there to make a no-event, and he can then
regather all his attention back up into present time.
So we have two factors going here, we have the facsimile of the
event which the thetan created and which he then carried with him as a
bauble, only later to be put into service to haunt him by his own
choice, and we also have a part of the thetan actually stuck to the
past event in space/time, which has nothing to do with the facsimile.
A thetan that is moving along in space/time is gathering himself
every moment and moving all of himself forward to the next moment in
space/time. If he runs into something that fixes his attention, he
can't believe it, he refuses to confront it, he refuses to admit it,
he will build a wall at that moment of space/time, and when he moves
forward, he leaves as much of himself beind him as it took to build
the wall. Now he exists in multiple places in space/time at the same
time.
Pretty soon he is spread so thin being buttered all over the
*PATH* through space/time that he took, that he has less than 50
percent of his theta free any more in present time. At this point he
can no longer solo or deal with present time without the past walls
starting to break down and leak through 'as present time'. He begins
to see the past as if it is now. His perception is drawn back to the
past, but he thinks it is now.
So you get aberration meaning he is doing things now that were
appropriate to then, because 'then is now'.
Homer
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Ron's model of the time track as the source of aberration was a
simple model that everyone could understand, although I doubt if even
Ron would say in the later years that 'it was true'.
I remember some tape where Ron says "When you think facsimile,
think BT", or some such thing, indicating to me that what a facsimile
was, was actually an ongoing mockup in present time on the part of a
BT.
The time track idea was simply that as a being failed to confront
incidents, he made a persisting recording of the incident which could
be keyed out and unavailable but then get keyed in and affect him
later.
When certain facsimile's were keyed in permanently through
dramatization of valences and computations, they then became his
permanent case. Notice the facsimiles didn't CAUSE the aberration,
they merely formed the pattern of aberration, fair chosen by the
thetan, and provided the pain to enforce it once it was put on
automatic.
The best way to make mother feel sympathy for the kid was to use
a moment when the mother did something to the kid that the mother felt
sorry for!
Thus facsimiles of attempted abortions and early pre natal and
post natal abuse were fertile ground for steering mother's attention
in more desirable patterns.
Ron said that the thetan didn't originally have or need a time
track of facsimile based masses, but once he created one and made its
creation automatic, he became entrapped in it by virtue of USING the
force, pain and pattern of these masses in order to survive better
amongst others who were not jiving well with his survival.
Now Adore does not dismiss the idea of a facsimile based time
track, certainly ridges exist, every moment of unconfronted
unwillingness produces a ridge with theta energy on one side, and
'event' energy on the other. And also certainly many such events are
never fully experienced, the ridge is created so fast the being never
fully knows what happened during his own incident.
But Adore goes further to say that the being actually leaves a
part of his attention IN THE PAST event, strewn all along the path of
his travels. Not just on facsimiles he has made of his travels that
ride with him in present time.
Adore says he didn't confront the PAST EVENT, so there he is with
a wall on that event actually in the past.
Since a thetan can travel in time, and move along the time trail
as he pleases as an OT, it is not hard to imagine a thetan moving
along a time trail from event to event and leaving parts of himself
along that path as blocks to fully experiencing them.
In running the 'engram' i.e. moments of unconfronted
unwillingness, one finds that the pc actually has to figure out one
way or another what he should have done DURING THE INCIDENT ITSELF in
order to not form the engram or ridge. He chose to not-is, so he has
a wall against the event, but what SHOULD HE HAVE DONE in order to
leave a fully experienced analytical event behind him when it first
happened?
Once he fully figures out how he SHOULD HAVE handled the event
when it first happened to leave a clean event, there will no longer
be any need of a wall there to make a no-event, and he can then
regather all his attention back up into present time.
So we have two factors going here, we have the facsimile of the
event which the thetan created and which he then carried with him as a
bauble, only later to be put into service to haunt him by his own
choice, and we also have a part of the thetan actually stuck to the
past event in space/time, which has nothing to do with the facsimile.
A thetan that is moving along in space/time is gathering himself
every moment and moving all of himself forward to the next moment in
space/time. If he runs into something that fixes his attention, he
can't believe it, he refuses to confront it, he refuses to admit it,
he will build a wall at that moment of space/time, and when he moves
forward, he leaves as much of himself beind him as it took to build
the wall. Now he exists in multiple places in space/time at the same
time.
Pretty soon he is spread so thin being buttered all over the
*PATH* through space/time that he took, that he has less than 50
percent of his theta free any more in present time. At this point he
can no longer solo or deal with present time without the past walls
starting to break down and leak through 'as present time'. He begins
to see the past as if it is now. His perception is drawn back to the
past, but he thinks it is now.
So you get aberration meaning he is doing things now that were
appropriate to then, because 'then is now'.
Homer
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IMPINGEMENT AND THE IMP SOUL
We define native state as utter non manifestation and unimpingeable
peace.
That means only you wake you up.
Native state has been called the Static, the Void, Source, and the
Big Snooze by various religions.
The primary function of the static is to create the apparancy of
cause in kinetics in spacetime whiles.
Time is the interjection of chase between conception and
realization.
This too has to be conceived to be functional.
The static is about cause.
Cause in the physical universe is force applied to mass brings
about changes in kinetic states.
Kinetic states are states of mass in motion at positions of space
and time.
Spacetime whiles are holographic projections of space and time in
the zero dimensional substrate called consciousness, in which the
apparances of kinetics can play out their course.
This is the form of manifestation and is engaged in for the
purpose of fun.
Fun is the other side of the coin to peace.
Because the static is cause, in order to get kinetics to persist in
the eyes of its beholders, static must confuse the subject of cause by
casting apparent cause out into the kinetic.
Thus those in the world of kinetics consider that cause is all
around them, outside of them, coming from others, other places, other
things, other times. This cause consists entirely of force, causing
changes in motion and energy in masses.
Since OUT THERE is itself a holographic illusion, so is any cause
that is presumed to be OUT THERE.
From the static's point of view two electrons repel each other
because the static moves them apart. Static is cause and electrons are
both the effect of the static. There is no cause BETWEEN the electrons,
and electrons have no cause over each other.
From the kinetic's point of view the two electrons push each other
apart because, both are cause over each other, and thus both are also
effect of each other.
Thus the static casts (apparent) cause out into its kinetic
creations, all the while (actually) maintaining cause itself.
This is called causal orchestration from above.
The static is thus acting as a third party to all of kinetic
existence, making two kinetic events happen as if they caused each other
without outside influence.
Since the static adds a level of complexity to the causal structure
that makes things go in the world of kinetics, Occam's Razor tells us
not to consider it.
Occam tells us that cause in the kinetic world is sufficient to
explain changes in the kinetic world, and thus no one considers the
static while in the kinetic world.
This is necessary to keep the true source of cause confused and
thus the kinetic world persisting.
Since the kinetic world is a virtual rendition in consciousness of
spacetime objects and the cause between them, not considering the static
works until one starts to ask where the rendition and consciousness
comes from.
Although consciousness is conscious OF kinetics, consciousness
itself is static. Perception of this is called enlightenment.
However the only way to assign cause to other things in the kinetic
world, is to ALSO assign oneself (a static) as an effect, while walking
in the kinetic world.
Thus one can be impinged upon.
An impingement is an expected or unexpected causal wave coming in
to us, apparently without our intention, that changes our state directly
or forces us to change our own state to compensate.
In the kinetic world, desire is separated from accomplishment by
time, during which is a dance of effort designed to bring out the
desired state.
The dance of effort is computed from what we know about the rules
of the game, the laws of the universe, and what exactly it is we want.
DOING = WANTING + KNOWING
In the kinetic world, you can't just light a fire by wanting it any
more, thus one has to DO various specific things to bring the fire
about.
If you fail to bring the fire about in a timely manner, then you
lose the game of survival.
The kinetic world is mostly a game of survival, a game of anti
entropy against an ever spreading sea of entropy.
Entropy is unuseful energy, that eventually renders the entire
universe diffuse and constant in all directions.
The sun is a huge momentary concentrated source of anti entropy,
and as it radiates out into spacetime, it too heads in the direction of
final dispersement.
However while on their way to the abyss, some of the rays of the
sun hit the Earth, and are gathered into useful pools of anti entropy
called plants and animals. And thus life and civilization goes on,
trying to keep the light of life alive as long as possible.
That is the game of survival.
Certain kinds of anti entropy are quite capable of collecting and
concentrating other energy, (which would otherwise head out into the
void,) into greater pools of useful energy than itself, thus for a while,
the game of survival is afoot, through profit and affluence of margin
against failure.
We call this process and the margin it creates civilization.
Impingements of importance then are between sources of entropy and
anti entropy.
You have a silo full of corn (anti entropy) and it gets hit by
lightning burning it to the ground (entropy). Your hard won anti
entropy is now useless.
To deal with these impingements your game of survival demands that
you impinge back on the universe and build a better and stronger silo.
Thus the game of survival is a game of impingement and counter
impingement.
Some impingements are pro survival, you get a good rain storm and
things grow.
Some impingements are contra survival, you get too much rain and
everything rots.
Or you have too little rain, and everything dies. That's a lack of
needed impingement!
Thus, as in all games, there is too much impingement and too little
impingement both of which are contra survival.
Optimum randomity is optimum impingement.
A motivator is a moment of non optimum impingement, too much or too
little.
An overt is also a moment of non optimum impingement on your part
against something else, too much or too little, either accidental or
intentional.
The effort to survive then is directed at optimizing impingement so
there is not too much nor too little.
Too little rain can be optimized by irrigation, you don't get
impinged upon enough by the rain, so you impinge back and move a river
to run through your land, or you build water storage tanks to hold
excess rain for times of less.
Impingement and counter impingement is the game of life directed at
bringing about a continuing optimum impingement all around.
So the sun impinges on the Earth and pushes plants into existence.
Animals, acting like a slow fire to plants, impinge on the plants
by eating them, converting their stored energy into motion, namely sow
and reap cycles of more plants. This is the process of consumption and
production.
As long as the sun continues to impinge calmly on the Earth, and as
long as plants grow and animals tend to their plants properly and
produce more than they consume and don't pollute their own living
spaces, or war with each other unnecessarily or without class, this game
can go on for a very long time indeed.
Such an ideal scene produces ample free time to do some great art.
In the end life itself is art in motion, and what gets painted or
written as music and art are probably just expressions of life, stories
told of glories past, present and future, that are not immediately
useful to the body maybe, but are certainly useful to the heart, mind
and soul.
If only as inspiration to keep the game going when the going gets
tough.
The basic impingement is the first creation of conscious light in
the body of the static, the awakening of dreamtime.
'I AM and I KNOW IT!'
The second impingement is a voice coming out of void
saying 'Prove it!
But then dreamtime is itself a tapestry of stories told of
impingement, designed to confuse the original and only source of true
impingement which is the static itself.
When a person complains about the world or some condition, he is
complaining about some part of that tapestry of impingement.
A psychosomatic condition is an impingement, originally wanted, but
possibly no longer useful. Reevaluation of salient truths surrounding
that condition will lead to recovered and better control over it.
The being will respond to too many impingements by creating
MORE impingements that somehow get him out of the target range of the
the first set that are getting him down.
A somatic is state of being victimized in order to not be
victimized by something else.
One audits being victimized in tandem with victimizing, either
accidentally or intentionally, on all flows, to relieve the burden of
both to all parties involved.
One needs to concentrate on the BENEFITS of victimization before
they will fully release.
Problems within one's self, indecisions, self doubts, oscillations,
equivocations, two desires opposed, are all a form of inner impingement
against oneself. Two sides of one's self impinging against the other,
"NO!", "YES!", "NO WAY!", "Yes WAY!".
By maintaining awareness of the true source of impingement and how
it works, one can rewrite how impingement works in your life and in the
life of the AllThatIs.
This results in reoptimizing the games of life, and maximizing the
fun of being here and lost as hell.
This is what auditing is about.
"Who or what is cause around here and why is it such an asshole?"
From Adore.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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IMPINGEMENT AND THE IMP SOUL
We define native state as utter non manifestation and unimpingeable
peace.
That means only you wake you up.
Native state has been called the Static, the Void, Source, and the
Big Snooze by various religions.
The primary function of the static is to create the apparancy of
cause in kinetics in spacetime whiles.
Time is the interjection of chase between conception and
realization.
This too has to be conceived to be functional.
The static is about cause.
Cause in the physical universe is force applied to mass brings
about changes in kinetic states.
Kinetic states are states of mass in motion at positions of space
and time.
Spacetime whiles are holographic projections of space and time in
the zero dimensional substrate called consciousness, in which the
apparances of kinetics can play out their course.
This is the form of manifestation and is engaged in for the
purpose of fun.
Fun is the other side of the coin to peace.
Because the static is cause, in order to get kinetics to persist in
the eyes of its beholders, static must confuse the subject of cause by
casting apparent cause out into the kinetic.
Thus those in the world of kinetics consider that cause is all
around them, outside of them, coming from others, other places, other
things, other times. This cause consists entirely of force, causing
changes in motion and energy in masses.
Since OUT THERE is itself a holographic illusion, so is any cause
that is presumed to be OUT THERE.
From the static's point of view two electrons repel each other
because the static moves them apart. Static is cause and electrons are
both the effect of the static. There is no cause BETWEEN the electrons,
and electrons have no cause over each other.
From the kinetic's point of view the two electrons push each other
apart because, both are cause over each other, and thus both are also
effect of each other.
Thus the static casts (apparent) cause out into its kinetic
creations, all the while (actually) maintaining cause itself.
This is called causal orchestration from above.
The static is thus acting as a third party to all of kinetic
existence, making two kinetic events happen as if they caused each other
without outside influence.
Since the static adds a level of complexity to the causal structure
that makes things go in the world of kinetics, Occam's Razor tells us
not to consider it.
Occam tells us that cause in the kinetic world is sufficient to
explain changes in the kinetic world, and thus no one considers the
static while in the kinetic world.
This is necessary to keep the true source of cause confused and
thus the kinetic world persisting.
Since the kinetic world is a virtual rendition in consciousness of
spacetime objects and the cause between them, not considering the static
works until one starts to ask where the rendition and consciousness
comes from.
Although consciousness is conscious OF kinetics, consciousness
itself is static. Perception of this is called enlightenment.
However the only way to assign cause to other things in the kinetic
world, is to ALSO assign oneself (a static) as an effect, while walking
in the kinetic world.
Thus one can be impinged upon.
An impingement is an expected or unexpected causal wave coming in
to us, apparently without our intention, that changes our state directly
or forces us to change our own state to compensate.
In the kinetic world, desire is separated from accomplishment by
time, during which is a dance of effort designed to bring out the
desired state.
The dance of effort is computed from what we know about the rules
of the game, the laws of the universe, and what exactly it is we want.
DOING = WANTING + KNOWING
In the kinetic world, you can't just light a fire by wanting it any
more, thus one has to DO various specific things to bring the fire
about.
If you fail to bring the fire about in a timely manner, then you
lose the game of survival.
The kinetic world is mostly a game of survival, a game of anti
entropy against an ever spreading sea of entropy.
Entropy is unuseful energy, that eventually renders the entire
universe diffuse and constant in all directions.
The sun is a huge momentary concentrated source of anti entropy,
and as it radiates out into spacetime, it too heads in the direction of
final dispersement.
However while on their way to the abyss, some of the rays of the
sun hit the Earth, and are gathered into useful pools of anti entropy
called plants and animals. And thus life and civilization goes on,
trying to keep the light of life alive as long as possible.
That is the game of survival.
Certain kinds of anti entropy are quite capable of collecting and
concentrating other energy, (which would otherwise head out into the
void,) into greater pools of useful energy than itself, thus for a while,
the game of survival is afoot, through profit and affluence of margin
against failure.
We call this process and the margin it creates civilization.
Impingements of importance then are between sources of entropy and
anti entropy.
You have a silo full of corn (anti entropy) and it gets hit by
lightning burning it to the ground (entropy). Your hard won anti
entropy is now useless.
To deal with these impingements your game of survival demands that
you impinge back on the universe and build a better and stronger silo.
Thus the game of survival is a game of impingement and counter
impingement.
Some impingements are pro survival, you get a good rain storm and
things grow.
Some impingements are contra survival, you get too much rain and
everything rots.
Or you have too little rain, and everything dies. That's a lack of
needed impingement!
Thus, as in all games, there is too much impingement and too little
impingement both of which are contra survival.
Optimum randomity is optimum impingement.
A motivator is a moment of non optimum impingement, too much or too
little.
An overt is also a moment of non optimum impingement on your part
against something else, too much or too little, either accidental or
intentional.
The effort to survive then is directed at optimizing impingement so
there is not too much nor too little.
Too little rain can be optimized by irrigation, you don't get
impinged upon enough by the rain, so you impinge back and move a river
to run through your land, or you build water storage tanks to hold
excess rain for times of less.
Impingement and counter impingement is the game of life directed at
bringing about a continuing optimum impingement all around.
So the sun impinges on the Earth and pushes plants into existence.
Animals, acting like a slow fire to plants, impinge on the plants
by eating them, converting their stored energy into motion, namely sow
and reap cycles of more plants. This is the process of consumption and
production.
As long as the sun continues to impinge calmly on the Earth, and as
long as plants grow and animals tend to their plants properly and
produce more than they consume and don't pollute their own living
spaces, or war with each other unnecessarily or without class, this game
can go on for a very long time indeed.
Such an ideal scene produces ample free time to do some great art.
In the end life itself is art in motion, and what gets painted or
written as music and art are probably just expressions of life, stories
told of glories past, present and future, that are not immediately
useful to the body maybe, but are certainly useful to the heart, mind
and soul.
If only as inspiration to keep the game going when the going gets
tough.
The basic impingement is the first creation of conscious light in
the body of the static, the awakening of dreamtime.
'I AM and I KNOW IT!'
The second impingement is a voice coming out of void
saying 'Prove it!
But then dreamtime is itself a tapestry of stories told of
impingement, designed to confuse the original and only source of true
impingement which is the static itself.
When a person complains about the world or some condition, he is
complaining about some part of that tapestry of impingement.
A psychosomatic condition is an impingement, originally wanted, but
possibly no longer useful. Reevaluation of salient truths surrounding
that condition will lead to recovered and better control over it.
The being will respond to too many impingements by creating
MORE impingements that somehow get him out of the target range of the
the first set that are getting him down.
A somatic is state of being victimized in order to not be
victimized by something else.
One audits being victimized in tandem with victimizing, either
accidentally or intentionally, on all flows, to relieve the burden of
both to all parties involved.
One needs to concentrate on the BENEFITS of victimization before
they will fully release.
Problems within one's self, indecisions, self doubts, oscillations,
equivocations, two desires opposed, are all a form of inner impingement
against oneself. Two sides of one's self impinging against the other,
"NO!", "YES!", "NO WAY!", "Yes WAY!".
By maintaining awareness of the true source of impingement and how
it works, one can rewrite how impingement works in your life and in the
life of the AllThatIs.
This results in reoptimizing the games of life, and maximizing the
fun of being here and lost as hell.
This is what auditing is about.
"Who or what is cause around here and why is it such an asshole?"
From Adore.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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FINAL PROCESS II
This is brilliant with the one exception that "What?" questions
suck rocks.
Run NO and SOME on all items mentioned below.
Oh, and yeah, there is a lot of sorrow on a case, enough to
fill the atlantic ocean, so this process will run for a while.
Ship tears to Japan to cool the nuclear reactors that blew up.
Homer
FINAL PROCESS II
The final process is hardly the final process and makes no claim to
be the one and only needed process. It is just a name. Hey I write
what I am told.
In looking over The Final Process (TFP), it shows many similarities
to UCP, the Universal Clearing Process.
UCP also runs past, present and future, but adds comparisons
which the final process does not.
TFP also runs both sides of the dicom which UCP does not.
The wording of the commands are also subtly different.
UCP: Where have you been? Where are you? Where could you be?
TFP: What has been? What is? What will be?
The greatest difference of significance is in the future set.
What could be is as different from what will be, as what could
have been is from what has been.
UCP's rendition is more creative postulating, while TFP tries to
get at fixed postulates about the future.
It occurs to me that one might as well conceed the difference and
run could, would and should, along with did.
Would has two different meanings in english. The first is the
subjunctive, what would you do if...
The second is the absolute meaning of want or desire, what I would
have be is what I want to have be.
We are trying to run this last one, but the grammer is hard.
Also could can intimate good possibilities, but also other
determined and thus bad possibilities.
TFP II
What was? What is? What will be?
What was not? What is not? What will not be?
What could have been? What could be now? What could be in the future?
What could not have been? What could not be now? What could not be in the future?
What should have been? What should be now? What should be in the future?
What should not have been? What should not be now? What should not be in the future?
What would you have been? What would you have be now? What would you have be in the future.
What would you not have been? What would you have not be now? WHat would you have not be in the future.
The final process asserts that the past will not run, only the
future will run.
This is echoed in the idea that one should not run ARCX processes,
and that running the positive pleasure moments will bring up the
negative painful moments.
Just so, running the future will bring up the past but running the
past alone will produce a jam.
The theory behind these assertions comes directly from Hubbardian
Orthodoxy.
The pc has tried to solve the future by withdrawing into the past.
Specifically he either accidentlly or was provoked into committing
an overt act, but in over doing it, he regretted it, and tried to
withdraw back to before the event happened, in order to make it never
have happened.
Thus the pc is already in the past, prior to the incident he needs
to run out.
That's why he can't remember his anger/regret cycles.
Ostensibly auditing then tries to get the pc to withdraw into his
past again in order to spot the place in his past where he withdrew to,
in order to unmake the postulates he made that being in the past is a
good thing.
This approach might sound good on paper, but the more direct way to
get the pc to spot the past is to get him to walk forward into the
future.
Then he will remember why he wants to hide in the past!
Emotion and all.
Here is the reason why.
The pc is already earlier in the past than he needs to run, and
he is more than happy to withdraw even deeper into the past in order
to 'go looking for' the incident he needs to run, which of course he
will never find. Relative to the pc's position on his own time track,
the incident he needs to run is in his future!
He HAS no existence at or after that incident, so when you ask him
to locate anything in his past, what he finds is always earlier than he
is stuck, and thus produces nothing but missed or bypassed charge from
the incident in his future that he is backing away from.
So the only way out of the past is to walk forward into the future.
Even if that future is still in the past of every one else!
Now it would be nice to ask the pc to mockup a future he would
want, but he no longer has a clue what a future could look like.
Its not that he knows what he wants but thinks he can't have it,
that would be high tone. No, the pc has no clue what he wants, or could
want. Can't even imagine it, no idea what ARC or pleasure really are.
Sometimes a guy just has to spend a few years with a few cats to
learn what love is all over again.
So by running what will be, the pc will be spotting the effects
of his own postulates, and they can be pretty grim, but the EMOTION
will come off it and the effort. He can't cry about past deaths, but
he sure as hell can bawl projectile tears about future deaths.
Sorrow is love in loss.
So by recovering his sorrow for him, you recover his love, then
you can start to build a new future with 'would be' and 'could be'
rather than 'will be.'
Once the pc cognites how this all works, and it won't take long,
they will be able to solo the process with life as the C/S.
Look to your future, and you will find your past.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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FINAL PROCESS II
This is brilliant with the one exception that "What?" questions
suck rocks.
Run NO and SOME on all items mentioned below.
Oh, and yeah, there is a lot of sorrow on a case, enough to
fill the atlantic ocean, so this process will run for a while.
Ship tears to Japan to cool the nuclear reactors that blew up.
Homer
FINAL PROCESS II
The final process is hardly the final process and makes no claim to
be the one and only needed process. It is just a name. Hey I write
what I am told.
In looking over The Final Process (TFP), it shows many similarities
to UCP, the Universal Clearing Process.
UCP also runs past, present and future, but adds comparisons
which the final process does not.
TFP also runs both sides of the dicom which UCP does not.
The wording of the commands are also subtly different.
UCP: Where have you been? Where are you? Where could you be?
TFP: What has been? What is? What will be?
The greatest difference of significance is in the future set.
What could be is as different from what will be, as what could
have been is from what has been.
UCP's rendition is more creative postulating, while TFP tries to
get at fixed postulates about the future.
It occurs to me that one might as well conceed the difference and
run could, would and should, along with did.
Would has two different meanings in english. The first is the
subjunctive, what would you do if...
The second is the absolute meaning of want or desire, what I would
have be is what I want to have be.
We are trying to run this last one, but the grammer is hard.
Also could can intimate good possibilities, but also other
determined and thus bad possibilities.
TFP II
What was? What is? What will be?
What was not? What is not? What will not be?
What could have been? What could be now? What could be in the future?
What could not have been? What could not be now? What could not be in the future?
What should have been? What should be now? What should be in the future?
What should not have been? What should not be now? What should not be in the future?
What would you have been? What would you have be now? What would you have be in the future.
What would you not have been? What would you have not be now? WHat would you have not be in the future.
The final process asserts that the past will not run, only the
future will run.
This is echoed in the idea that one should not run ARCX processes,
and that running the positive pleasure moments will bring up the
negative painful moments.
Just so, running the future will bring up the past but running the
past alone will produce a jam.
The theory behind these assertions comes directly from Hubbardian
Orthodoxy.
The pc has tried to solve the future by withdrawing into the past.
Specifically he either accidentlly or was provoked into committing
an overt act, but in over doing it, he regretted it, and tried to
withdraw back to before the event happened, in order to make it never
have happened.
Thus the pc is already in the past, prior to the incident he needs
to run out.
That's why he can't remember his anger/regret cycles.
Ostensibly auditing then tries to get the pc to withdraw into his
past again in order to spot the place in his past where he withdrew to,
in order to unmake the postulates he made that being in the past is a
good thing.
This approach might sound good on paper, but the more direct way to
get the pc to spot the past is to get him to walk forward into the
future.
Then he will remember why he wants to hide in the past!
Emotion and all.
Here is the reason why.
The pc is already earlier in the past than he needs to run, and
he is more than happy to withdraw even deeper into the past in order
to 'go looking for' the incident he needs to run, which of course he
will never find. Relative to the pc's position on his own time track,
the incident he needs to run is in his future!
He HAS no existence at or after that incident, so when you ask him
to locate anything in his past, what he finds is always earlier than he
is stuck, and thus produces nothing but missed or bypassed charge from
the incident in his future that he is backing away from.
So the only way out of the past is to walk forward into the future.
Even if that future is still in the past of every one else!
Now it would be nice to ask the pc to mockup a future he would
want, but he no longer has a clue what a future could look like.
Its not that he knows what he wants but thinks he can't have it,
that would be high tone. No, the pc has no clue what he wants, or could
want. Can't even imagine it, no idea what ARC or pleasure really are.
Sometimes a guy just has to spend a few years with a few cats to
learn what love is all over again.
So by running what will be, the pc will be spotting the effects
of his own postulates, and they can be pretty grim, but the EMOTION
will come off it and the effort. He can't cry about past deaths, but
he sure as hell can bawl projectile tears about future deaths.
Sorrow is love in loss.
So by recovering his sorrow for him, you recover his love, then
you can start to build a new future with 'would be' and 'could be'
rather than 'will be.'
Once the pc cognites how this all works, and it won't take long,
they will be able to solo the process with life as the C/S.
Look to your future, and you will find your past.
Homer
Thu Jul 16 22:07:02 EDT 2015
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Wed Dec 26 12:00:03 EST 2018
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=========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===============
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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