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.DE LITE (freesolo@EGOfreenet.de) wrote:
>> and try to make them other
>> than what a man should be.
>The question is WHAT "should" a man be ?
>What ELSE "could" a man be - other than MAN ?
In any given sphere of activity where a being has just
entered it,
Child = Master of Total Irresponsibility
Woman = Master of Defense
Man = Master of Offense
God = Master of Total Responsibility
CHILD Mimickry Body Trade Business
Woman Harmony Heart Expression Art
Man Counterpoint Mind Discovery Science
God New Beat Soul Creation Religion
A man SHOULD be a Master of Offense.
A woman SHOULD be a Master of Defense.
The mortal woman, being jealous of man's greater glory, freedom
and responsibility, refuses to allow him to grow beyond master of
defense which is his own woman phase of development. She also refuses
to allow the man to successfully complete his own master of defense
development lest she have to admit he is better at it than she.
When the man manages to grow into master of offense inspite of
the woman, the woman refuses to acknowledge and operate in the man
this capacity: 'women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle.' They
mean it too and their male sons show it. Such women can't even
conceive of what the proper operating sphere of a man is. They think
a man is some kind of damaged woman.
"The idea that men have something wrong with them that women
don't, is something women have wrong with them that men don't." - Adore
In this over populated society where having families and children
is passe, some women feel they can live without men. Of course many
bigger woman can. But most survive because of the surrounding
civilization that envelops them, chisled out of the earth, built and
designed on average mostly by men.
Most women can drive a car true, but they haven't a clue how it
works, and it is a herculean task to teach them how it works, let
alone expect them to make the next step in its development.
The woman phase being operates out of the heart not the mind.
Also many beings are in female bodies who are actually in a male
phase of development, so they tend to be out with the boys on the
frontier becoming masters of offense themselves.
And also there are a lot of beings in male bodies who are
practicing up on their woman phases of developement and would prefer
to stay home with the children.
Beings can have many different goals each in a different phase
of developement, child, woman, man or God.
On average however, a being in a male phase of developement on
his primary goals will prefer to have a male body, and a being in a
women phase will prefer a female body.
One however needs the understanding that one has lived before,
and will live again if one wants, and that womanhood is a phase of
developement through manhood to godhood, and that one can be child,
woman, man or God, and is not permanently stuck forever in one or the
other. This kills off the jealously and the overts of deportage that
result.
Take any mortal woman and put them on a meter and ask them what
they think of their tits.
You will find the moment they decided they were stuck in the
woman phase forever and the beginning of the continuous overt life
against men and the child sons.
Homer
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09/22/10 Wednesday 4:59pm EST
OT's AND THE GOVERNMENT
> "It was also Rothwell's origination that government intelligence
> agencies considered Scientology to be a national security risk because
> of the threat of OTs exteriorizing and spying on them..."
>
>
> "I told him that even if they had the OT levels they would not make any
> OTs and their plan would not work. He could not imagine why that would
> be. I said because of ethics, because beings were basically good, and I
> couldn't see anybody making case gain over an evil purpose..."
This would be a very big mistake, as Evil is a relative term.
First OT's are not 'good' in the human character sense, but good in
the Author creator sense.
An OT will side with the underdog, because he is siding with the
existence of the GAME, not the existence of any particular side. This
is pandeterminism.
The idea that OT's are some kind of superman or super human is
highly destructive to producing OT's.
OT's are TRANS human, trans character, they weild the sword of
Excalibur, whose blade is lined with the dicoms of life AND death, good
AND bad, love AND hate, beauty AND ugly.
The idea that OT's want to free people needs to be understood in
this light, it is wrong. Their motive is to optimize the game of
freedom and enslavement.
To pretty it up, and make it more interesting.
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OT's AND THE GOVERNMENT
> "It was also Rothwell's origination that government intelligence
> agencies considered Scientology to be a national security risk because
> of the threat of OTs exteriorizing and spying on them..."
>
>
> "I told him that even if they had the OT levels they would not make any
> OTs and their plan would not work. He could not imagine why that would
> be. I said because of ethics, because beings were basically good, and I
> couldn't see anybody making case gain over an evil purpose..."
This would be a very big mistake, as Evil is a relative term.
First OT's are not 'good' in the human character sense, but good in
the Author creator sense.
An OT will side with the underdog, because he is siding with the
existence of the GAME, not the existence of any particular side. This
is pandeterminism.
The idea that OT's are some kind of superman or super human is
highly destructive to producing OT's.
OT's are TRANS human, trans character, they weild the sword of
Excalibur, whose blade is lined with the dicoms of life AND death, good
AND bad, love AND hate, beauty AND ugly.
The idea that OT's want to free people needs to be understood in
this light, it is wrong. Their motive is to optimize the game of
freedom and enslavement.
To pretty it up, and make it more interesting.
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IN AND OUT
This in response to the exchange below.
It's subtle.
*WHY* do you want out of here?
If it is from lack of admiration for being here, THAT sticks you.
If you resent ever having been here, no appreciation for ludicrous
demise, if you hope never to come back, and damn the day you ever came in,
then of course you are stuck, because lack of responsibility as knowing
willing cause IS what makes anything persist including your condition in
it. You can only control what you are willing to put there. Once the
willingness and appreciation to HAVE it is in place, it won't last more
than a few seconds or until the next time you get distracted from it.
If you can contact the aesthetic to coming in, then you WILL be out,
and will be able to choose to not come in again, or come in again slightly
rearranged so its more fun.
Coming in gets you out because you have to be out in order to come in.
So the only way to get stuck here and stay in, is to hate being here
and want to get out forever more. That's an alteris on the original ARC
with coming in for a while.
You can get out, but only if you are riding on the aesthetic of being
in. Wanting out is not the problem, its cursing being in, wanting to
never have come in, wanting to be out in a place that never would come in,
ever again forever and ever amen.
If one fully appreciates the worthwhileness of the entire while of
being in, then of course one IS out, because as soon as one came in, one
HAD to make it all look horrible to make sure it stayed around. Its too
easy to wake up out of dreams if you love them to pieces.
If you hate them desperately, why you can stay around forever.
So infinite heaven has to be altered into an infinite hell in order for
anything to persist in time for more than a few self fading seconds.
The main way of doing this is to consider a forever onto a while,
either good or bad, must always be, must never be etc.
Homer
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, M wrote:
> Hi Homer,
>
> Thanks for the sage advice.
>
> So, essentially, saying "I want out of here." embeds you more *in* here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> M
>
> On 07/01/14 23:17, Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I never heard of the book.
>>
>> The way out is the way in.
>>
>> Figure out how and why you came in, and practice coming in,
>> and you will BE out, because coming in, postulates you are out.
>>
>> Being in and trying to get out, postulates you are in, so you are.
>>
>> Homer
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:05:30 +0000
>>> From: m
>>> To: homerwsmith@lightlink.com, jes@lightlink.com
>>> Subject: Cordial greetings
>>>
>>> Hi Homer,
>>>
>>> I don't know if you remember me, I was a denizen of alt.clearing years
>>> ago along with such luminaries as yourself, Enid Vien and many others.
>>>
>>> Recently (after a four month stay in hospital) I have experienced a
>>> certain resurgence of interest in things clearing/auditing related and I
>>> am interested in getting hold of a copy of 'The Little Purple Book of
>>> How to Escape from this Universe'.
>>>
>>> I was trying to get it from
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html but I
>>> have had difficulty obtaining it, though I note that some of your
>>> Electra/ADORE material is there.
>>>
>>> So can you help me out, please? Perhaps point me in the right direction
>>> to get it?
>>>
>>> Clearly the mailing list addresses at
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html are
>>> ancient and inactive.
>>>
>>> Many thanks and wishing you the very best.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>
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IN AND OUT
This in response to the exchange below.
It's subtle.
*WHY* do you want out of here?
If it is from lack of admiration for being here, THAT sticks you.
If you resent ever having been here, no appreciation for ludicrous
demise, if you hope never to come back, and damn the day you ever came in,
then of course you are stuck, because lack of responsibility as knowing
willing cause IS what makes anything persist including your condition in
it. You can only control what you are willing to put there. Once the
willingness and appreciation to HAVE it is in place, it won't last more
than a few seconds or until the next time you get distracted from it.
If you can contact the aesthetic to coming in, then you WILL be out,
and will be able to choose to not come in again, or come in again slightly
rearranged so its more fun.
Coming in gets you out because you have to be out in order to come in.
So the only way to get stuck here and stay in, is to hate being here
and want to get out forever more. That's an alteris on the original ARC
with coming in for a while.
You can get out, but only if you are riding on the aesthetic of being
in. Wanting out is not the problem, its cursing being in, wanting to
never have come in, wanting to be out in a place that never would come in,
ever again forever and ever amen.
If one fully appreciates the worthwhileness of the entire while of
being in, then of course one IS out, because as soon as one came in, one
HAD to make it all look horrible to make sure it stayed around. Its too
easy to wake up out of dreams if you love them to pieces.
If you hate them desperately, why you can stay around forever.
So infinite heaven has to be altered into an infinite hell in order for
anything to persist in time for more than a few self fading seconds.
The main way of doing this is to consider a forever onto a while,
either good or bad, must always be, must never be etc.
Homer
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, M wrote:
> Hi Homer,
>
> Thanks for the sage advice.
>
> So, essentially, saying "I want out of here." embeds you more *in* here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> M
>
> On 07/01/14 23:17, Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I never heard of the book.
>>
>> The way out is the way in.
>>
>> Figure out how and why you came in, and practice coming in,
>> and you will BE out, because coming in, postulates you are out.
>>
>> Being in and trying to get out, postulates you are in, so you are.
>>
>> Homer
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:05:30 +0000
>>> From: m
>>> To: homerwsmith@lightlink.com, jes@lightlink.com
>>> Subject: Cordial greetings
>>>
>>> Hi Homer,
>>>
>>> I don't know if you remember me, I was a denizen of alt.clearing years
>>> ago along with such luminaries as yourself, Enid Vien and many others.
>>>
>>> Recently (after a four month stay in hospital) I have experienced a
>>> certain resurgence of interest in things clearing/auditing related and I
>>> am interested in getting hold of a copy of 'The Little Purple Book of
>>> How to Escape from this Universe'.
>>>
>>> I was trying to get it from
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html but I
>>> have had difficulty obtaining it, though I note that some of your
>>> Electra/ADORE material is there.
>>>
>>> So can you help me out, please? Perhaps point me in the right direction
>>> to get it?
>>>
>>> Clearly the mailing list addresses at
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html are
>>> ancient and inactive.
>>>
>>> Many thanks and wishing you the very best.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>
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CAN'T AND WON'T
Run,
"What can't you do?"
"What won't you do?"
"What can you do?"
"What will you do?"
Or,
Get the idea of I can't.
Get the idea of I won't.
Get the idea of I can.
Get the idea of I will.
E/P: Able and willing to be unable and able, willing and unwilling.
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CAN'T AND WON'T
Run,
"What can't you do?"
"What won't you do?"
"What can you do?"
"What will you do?"
Or,
Get the idea of I can't.
Get the idea of I won't.
Get the idea of I can.
Get the idea of I will.
E/P: Able and willing to be unable and able, willing and unwilling.
Homer
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PILOT and CO PILOT
Adore considers that there can be only one pilot in the family,
the pilot's decisions are adhered to when there is absolute
irreconcilable disagreement.
Whether the man or the woman is the pilot is unimportant, but
Adore would suggest that if the woman is pilot she is matched with an
inferior man unworthy of her.
"Pilot and Co Pilot
Your family and life are like an airplane,
Once it takes off, it can't land just anywhere, lest all die.
In such a case it is always wise to have TWO pilots, in case one
errs obviously.
But what happens when there is absolute disagreement?
One must be deferred to, particularly when no decision is worse
than a wrong decision.
Co-Pilots choose their Pilots for the moments when the Pilot is
wrong.
Co-Pilots usually will not settle for a Pilot that does not have
3 or 4 times the experience.
STAR DRIVE
So, women listen closely.
Your family is a Star Ship.
A ship of stars, star captains and star capability.
You are Co-Pilot.
So pick your Pilots wisely then,
And your children with be Pilots too."
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PILOT and CO PILOT
Adore considers that there can be only one pilot in the family,
the pilot's decisions are adhered to when there is absolute
irreconcilable disagreement.
Whether the man or the woman is the pilot is unimportant, but
Adore would suggest that if the woman is pilot she is matched with an
inferior man unworthy of her.
"Pilot and Co Pilot
Your family and life are like an airplane,
Once it takes off, it can't land just anywhere, lest all die.
In such a case it is always wise to have TWO pilots, in case one
errs obviously.
But what happens when there is absolute disagreement?
One must be deferred to, particularly when no decision is worse
than a wrong decision.
Co-Pilots choose their Pilots for the moments when the Pilot is
wrong.
Co-Pilots usually will not settle for a Pilot that does not have
3 or 4 times the experience.
STAR DRIVE
So, women listen closely.
Your family is a Star Ship.
A ship of stars, star captains and star capability.
You are Co-Pilot.
So pick your Pilots wisely then,
And your children with be Pilots too."
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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TO DREAM OR NOT TO DREAM
Dennis,
It doesn't matter whether someone is a meatball who believes that
the physical universe is actual and he is made of it, or a dreamball who
believes the physical universe is a dream in his own consciousness.
However none of scientology, particularly the OT stuff will make
any sense to the meatball because the causations within the PU do not
allow for such powers, past lives etc.
In trying to understand Hubbard it is critical that everyone
understand that he was a dream ball, claimed to be the reincarnation of
Buddha, so he is working from a world view where consciousness makes
dreams of MEST and survives the death of the dream body.
It is fine to say that Scners are just a bunch of kooks, but this
misses just how much of kook we all really are, and you must remember
that more than half of the world's population believes the world is a
dream.
So my goal here is not get anyone to exteriorize from the dream and
wake up, but only to get them see what they are up against, so that
proper communication can take place.
Otherwise you get meatballs trying to argue with dreamballs but
thinking they are meatballs too, and that leads to an incredibility, how
could anyone believe in OT powers etc.
If meatballism is true, then OT powers do not exist.
If dreamballism is true, then everone is God in Carnation and OT
powers are a forgone conclusion, including the apparency of their
absence as the whole universe is created via OT power.
A very powerful theorem exists which the meatballs ignore, EVEN IF
MEATBALLISM IS TRUE.
THEOREM: It is impossible to prove or show conclusive evidence that
you are not dreaming at any instant of time.
In otherwords you can do anything in a dream you can do awake, and
since all anyone has ever seen of the physical universe is their own
conscious rendition of it, there is in fact no direct evidence of the
existence of the physical universe EXCEPT their rendition of it.
So, like a sleep dreamer who thinks he is awake until he wakes up,
just so are people sleep dreaming even now, until they wake up at death
or earlier through auditing. Then they go lucid, meaning they stay in
the dream but retain awareness they are dreaming.
By saying that YOU are just a human who never created anything, you
are saying that Hubbard was just a human who never created anything.
That misses the enormity of your own existence and Hubbard's, and
the enormity of what in fact Hubbard tried to create and failed. If his
intentions were evil, then the world is a world of gods up against an
evil god, not a world of humans up against an evil human.
As for Scners, most of them have an inner sense that OT powers are
real, cuz they are and they been there done that and bought the body,
but they are still asleep, they too believe in the apparencies of the
phyiscal universe, just like any meatball, and they have not yet
realized they will have to give up that apparency in order to attain
those powers.
That's like the sleep dreamer who is just aware enough to say "Hey
you know this isn't where I live", but not aware enough to then say "Oh
whaddya know this is a dream!"
So he gets into a fight with a meatball in the dream who says 'Yes
this is the place you live, there is no other place', "No it isn't, I am
just sure I live somewhere else", "You are nuts!", "I am not!" rather
than realizing he is in a dream and responding to the meatball "YOU ARE
A BT! What are you? Who are you? How many are you?" and going on
about his dream now knowing it is a dream and even remembering some of
what the world looks like when he does wake up.
But that's just another dream, until he reaches the top which is
static snooze.
Not asking for agreement, but do you understand Dennis?
Homer
Tue Jan 26 20:18:47 EST 2010
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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TO DREAM OR NOT TO DREAM
Dennis,
It doesn't matter whether someone is a meatball who believes that
the physical universe is actual and he is made of it, or a dreamball who
believes the physical universe is a dream in his own consciousness.
However none of scientology, particularly the OT stuff will make
any sense to the meatball because the causations within the PU do not
allow for such powers, past lives etc.
In trying to understand Hubbard it is critical that everyone
understand that he was a dream ball, claimed to be the reincarnation of
Buddha, so he is working from a world view where consciousness makes
dreams of MEST and survives the death of the dream body.
It is fine to say that Scners are just a bunch of kooks, but this
misses just how much of kook we all really are, and you must remember
that more than half of the world's population believes the world is a
dream.
So my goal here is not get anyone to exteriorize from the dream and
wake up, but only to get them see what they are up against, so that
proper communication can take place.
Otherwise you get meatballs trying to argue with dreamballs but
thinking they are meatballs too, and that leads to an incredibility, how
could anyone believe in OT powers etc.
If meatballism is true, then OT powers do not exist.
If dreamballism is true, then everone is God in Carnation and OT
powers are a forgone conclusion, including the apparency of their
absence as the whole universe is created via OT power.
A very powerful theorem exists which the meatballs ignore, EVEN IF
MEATBALLISM IS TRUE.
THEOREM: It is impossible to prove or show conclusive evidence that
you are not dreaming at any instant of time.
In otherwords you can do anything in a dream you can do awake, and
since all anyone has ever seen of the physical universe is their own
conscious rendition of it, there is in fact no direct evidence of the
existence of the physical universe EXCEPT their rendition of it.
So, like a sleep dreamer who thinks he is awake until he wakes up,
just so are people sleep dreaming even now, until they wake up at death
or earlier through auditing. Then they go lucid, meaning they stay in
the dream but retain awareness they are dreaming.
By saying that YOU are just a human who never created anything, you
are saying that Hubbard was just a human who never created anything.
That misses the enormity of your own existence and Hubbard's, and
the enormity of what in fact Hubbard tried to create and failed. If his
intentions were evil, then the world is a world of gods up against an
evil god, not a world of humans up against an evil human.
As for Scners, most of them have an inner sense that OT powers are
real, cuz they are and they been there done that and bought the body,
but they are still asleep, they too believe in the apparencies of the
phyiscal universe, just like any meatball, and they have not yet
realized they will have to give up that apparency in order to attain
those powers.
That's like the sleep dreamer who is just aware enough to say "Hey
you know this isn't where I live", but not aware enough to then say "Oh
whaddya know this is a dream!"
So he gets into a fight with a meatball in the dream who says 'Yes
this is the place you live, there is no other place', "No it isn't, I am
just sure I live somewhere else", "You are nuts!", "I am not!" rather
than realizing he is in a dream and responding to the meatball "YOU ARE
A BT! What are you? Who are you? How many are you?" and going on
about his dream now knowing it is a dream and even remembering some of
what the world looks like when he does wake up.
But that's just another dream, until he reaches the top which is
static snooze.
Not asking for agreement, but do you understand Dennis?
Homer
Tue Jan 26 20:18:47 EST 2010
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=========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===============
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LETTER TO ENID
Dear Enid,
Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.
I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.
You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.
Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.
Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.
Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:
BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION
Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.
Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.
I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like
Do you feel you need your body for you survive?
Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?
Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?
Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?
If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.
This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.
I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.
My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.
It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"
The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.
The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.
Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.
You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.
Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.
Homer
Sun Jun 24 23:19:14 EDT 2012
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LETTER TO ENID
Dear Enid,
Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.
I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.
You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.
Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.
Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.
Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:
BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION
Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.
Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.
I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like
Do you feel you need your body for you survive?
Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?
Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?
Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?
If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.
This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.
I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.
My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.
It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"
The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.
The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.
Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.
You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.
Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.
Homer
Sun Jun 24 23:19:14 EDT 2012
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=========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===============
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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