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INDIRECT KNOWLEDGE
Curiosus (curiosus@fastmail.fm) wrote:
>But there might be on the hard disk a book about how the processor is
>built and how it is working, and the sentient unit could eventually
>discover this book.
>Maybe the creator(s) of the physical universe has (have) recorded its
>blueprints in some place.
The truth of such indirect knowledge would forever remain a
theory.
As you said, ALL consciousness is consciousness-of.
The ONLY consciousness is consciousness-of.
All perfect certainty is consciousness-of too.
And all consciousness-of is perfect certainty.
Since you can not be conscious of what you are not conscious of,
there is no certainty outside of our experience, the symbol, period.
The theoretical physical universe referent is the -1 level
abstraction, as it is a created interpretation of our conscious
experience the symbol.
Our conscious experience, the red ball we see, is the
zero level abstraction, and is in fact the true referent,
if we weren't all deluding ourselves about a physical referent
out there.
Any symbol is itself an object and thus can be considered an
orginal referent of its own. With the physical universe, people
extend the chain of symbol and referents back to one before the first
true referent, to a referent that doesn't in fact exist, so they
bypass the first one on the chain that does exist, their experience of
the red ball they see.
Higher level abstractions, 1, 2 and 3 etc, are ideas,
concepts, generalizations about the experience.
If people would just see that they see, and stop pretending
they are seeing things they can't see, they would be much better
off.
The PU is a *THEORY*.
And a very bad one at that.
That something is virtualizing a PU is self evident.
However that something doesn't then become the true
referent for the symbol red ball we experience.
Once people can see the symbol AS the referent, they can start to
as-is things, because using their conscious experiences as a symbol
for some alleged theoretical unseen referent is an inverted
alter-isness.
Homer
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>Curiosus
>http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005/index.htm
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RESPECT AND NO RESPECT II
Continuing to run respect and no respect on mother, demons, mother
demons and demon mothers... :)
The Christ Consciousness is unconditional respect for all things.
The Anti Christ Consciousness is unconditional no respect for all
things.
That's unconditional contempt for all things.
It is thus tempting once one falls down below Christ Consciousness to
fight the Anti Christ Consciousness with unconditional contempt towards
it. That however uses its own power against itself and leads to becoming
what you fear most.
One resolves this by running unconditional respect on the Anti Christ
Consciousness instead. That is very enlightening and robs it of its power
instead.
I have never been able to run ARC straightwire, possibly because
affinity, reality or communication don't really run for me as items, but
respect does.
"Spot a time you had respect for another."
"Spot a time you had no respect for another."
"Spot a time another had respect for you."
"Spot a time another had no respect for you."
others to others, self to self and others to themselves, etc
Also one of the problems of running ARC straightwire on a pc
that had a real bad life is he doesn't have a lot of ARC moments
at all. He may have the misunderstood that in order to run the
process he needs to have a lot of them or else why bother as
it just reminds him how few he had and makes him worse and madder than
hell. And maybe he doesn't want to admit he had any because others
will say "See it wasn't all that bad after all!"
But the truth is, the out of ARC moments stick to him because
of the in ARC moments *EVEN IF ONLY JUST ONE*, so really the point
of running ARC straightwire is to find and locate those possibly
hidden moments of ARC that are causing the rest of the non ARC to
be a problem.
He's a sad effect about having had a whole life of lousy
demon mother, because he had an angel mother for one microsecond
earlier on.
Other items that came up to run for me were,
God Monster -
God King
Omni Operating Anti Lord God Almighties -
Omni Operating Lord God Almighties
Got laughter on unconditional contempt on all things, session ended
later flat, no F/N but lots of TA, needle active loose, reading and
running well, not soaring and jamming high, ended at about 4.0 after
having been down to 3.25 a few times.
Don't know if I am looking for another item pair like
respect - no respect, or another terminal like mother, demon etc.
Respect continues to run, its a major item in my life, respecting and
not respecting things and letting people know it! :)
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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RESPECT AND NO RESPECT II
Continuing to run respect and no respect on mother, demons, mother
demons and demon mothers... :)
The Christ Consciousness is unconditional respect for all things.
The Anti Christ Consciousness is unconditional no respect for all
things.
That's unconditional contempt for all things.
It is thus tempting once one falls down below Christ Consciousness to
fight the Anti Christ Consciousness with unconditional contempt towards
it. That however uses its own power against itself and leads to becoming
what you fear most.
One resolves this by running unconditional respect on the Anti Christ
Consciousness instead. That is very enlightening and robs it of its power
instead.
I have never been able to run ARC straightwire, possibly because
affinity, reality or communication don't really run for me as items, but
respect does.
"Spot a time you had respect for another."
"Spot a time you had no respect for another."
"Spot a time another had respect for you."
"Spot a time another had no respect for you."
others to others, self to self and others to themselves, etc
Also one of the problems of running ARC straightwire on a pc
that had a real bad life is he doesn't have a lot of ARC moments
at all. He may have the misunderstood that in order to run the
process he needs to have a lot of them or else why bother as
it just reminds him how few he had and makes him worse and madder than
hell. And maybe he doesn't want to admit he had any because others
will say "See it wasn't all that bad after all!"
But the truth is, the out of ARC moments stick to him because
of the in ARC moments *EVEN IF ONLY JUST ONE*, so really the point
of running ARC straightwire is to find and locate those possibly
hidden moments of ARC that are causing the rest of the non ARC to
be a problem.
He's a sad effect about having had a whole life of lousy
demon mother, because he had an angel mother for one microsecond
earlier on.
Other items that came up to run for me were,
God Monster -
God King
Omni Operating Anti Lord God Almighties -
Omni Operating Lord God Almighties
Got laughter on unconditional contempt on all things, session ended
later flat, no F/N but lots of TA, needle active loose, reading and
running well, not soaring and jamming high, ended at about 4.0 after
having been down to 3.25 a few times.
Don't know if I am looking for another item pair like
respect - no respect, or another terminal like mother, demon etc.
Respect continues to run, its a major item in my life, respecting and
not respecting things and letting people know it! :)
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SCIENTOLOGY WOG II
People think that tech in the absence of any real livingness makes
for a good auditor.
They talk about hours in the chair, but never hours in the chair of
life.
Never held a real job, never invented, owned and operated their own
business, and they are a Class what?
You gotta be kidding.
They know all about life, but can't DO any of it.
And they are going to help you DO some life yourself?
You would do better spending your money on some coke and a good
screw.
Homer
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People think that tech in the absence of any real livingness makes
for a good auditor.
They talk about hours in the chair, but never hours in the chair of
life.
Never held a real job, never invented, owned and operated their own
business, and they are a Class what?
You gotta be kidding.
They know all about life, but can't DO any of it.
And they are going to help you DO some life yourself?
You would do better spending your money on some coke and a good
screw.
Homer
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OWNERSHIP
At its base, ownership means rights of control.
It helps to have the ability to control too, but ownership means
rights of control.
If I have the right to control something, others have the duty to
let me control it.
Duties and rights are fair chosen, they are negotiated between
parties to mutual satisfaction.
In the absence of others, rights and duties have no meaning.
For every right there is a duty and for every duty there is a
right.
You have a right to have duties, and you have a duty to have
rights.
Social justice is a fair chosen operating balance of duties and
rights.
Above is standard Adore stuff...
Ownership of a cognition means that you have the rights of control
over what to do with that cog, including talking about it with others or
forgetting it entirely.
Ownership can be taken away in at least two ways.
First simply by lack of fair exchange, even if the giving party
doesn't put any limitations on what you can do with the cog, the cat
that you still owe them in fair exchange, means the cog isn't quite
yours.
You buy a car with a promise to pay at a later date. Sure the car
is yours to drive, but if you don't pay, they can come take the car
back, so the car isn't really fully yours until the debt of havingness
is paid.
In the same way a preclear feels that the Master, auditor and C/S
have a lien of sorts on his case gain, until he can fully exchange for
it.
Knowing he is getting something for free will kill a session, but
paying money is only a token, and for preclears that realize this,
paying money is not enough.
"COME ON DOWN TO DALLAS!"
Second ownership can be given away by agreement.
You go down to Alan Walter's Dallas Knowledgism Center and you sign
up to receive your Codes auditing. But before they will give it to you,
you must sign a non disclosure agreement, not only for the Codes that
you find about yourself, but also the tech they used to find them.
Thus the final result, your understanding of your most basic Codes,
do not belong to you to do with as you see fit.
And your actions in life are constrained by the enforced agreements
you had to make to get the auditing.
You notice how in the Church NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THEIR CASE,
GAINS OR COGS IN OR OUT OF SESSION.
That's by agreement, but it's enforced by threat of expulsion, from
the 'only game going'.
I remember vividly once at Flag I was suicidal and holding my head
in my hands in my head at the Fort Harrison, really at the end of my
last thread of string, and this high toned guy came up to me and tried
to help.
A few minutes later, get got up to leave after having said to me:
PROBLEMS ONLY PERSIST TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO
CONSIDER UNETHICAL SOLUTIONS TO THEM.
One problem with cogs that come from others is they may not
be totally right, but only right enough to work for them. Thus
such a cog may actually drive you down town if it doesn't match
your reality.
For example replace the word UNETHICAL with ANY in the cog above
and you might see something closer to the truth but way out of range of
our average truth seeker.
Anyhow I looked at what the guy said, and tried to apply it TO
ABSOLUTELY NO AVAIL, and over the years it has molted in to something
different in my space having to do with ANDS, namely two opposing
solutions at the same time, but the point is the next day I saw the guy
in Ethics talking about his egregious violation of the agreement to not
sharing cogs or reality with anyone else.
Later someone came up to me and told me that what he had done was
NOT OK, their favorite term for being conscious and originating a
communication of worth, and that I shouldn't solicit, nor allow others,
to help me by giving me cogs.
I never forgot that lesson, OWNERSHIP OF COGS BELONGS TO THE GIVER
or the facilitator NOT THE RECEIVER. At that moment I decided never to
allow my understandings of life to be owned by anyone for any reason, no
matter what the consequences.
So if I give you a cog, it's YOURS.
It's not that help is bad, its that help with strings is bad.
I mean just how low does your pride level have to be that you will
sell a part of your soul in self constraints just to get your pride
back?
Certainly it might make sense in some things to have trademark
secrets and non disclosure agreements.
And certainly you were not FORCED to get your Codes from the
Knowledgism group, maybe you could have gotten them elsewhere.
And in any case, need does not bestow right, so just because you
NEED your codes to function again in the spiritual world, doesn't mean
anyone else has a duty to give them to you, nor help you get them
yourself, and so they are free to attach whatever strings or indentured
servitude for the rest of time they wish, to the delivery of the
services you want, need and request of them.
This is simple good business sense.
And its a great way to own people, to get them to do your bidding,
and keep them from giving away the secrets of your tech so that your
income doesn't crash because suddenly just anyone can produces a cleared
Codee.
How does that make you feel?
Homer
Tue Jan 17 13:56:58 EST 2017
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OWNERSHIP
At its base, ownership means rights of control.
It helps to have the ability to control too, but ownership means
rights of control.
If I have the right to control something, others have the duty to
let me control it.
Duties and rights are fair chosen, they are negotiated between
parties to mutual satisfaction.
In the absence of others, rights and duties have no meaning.
For every right there is a duty and for every duty there is a
right.
You have a right to have duties, and you have a duty to have
rights.
Social justice is a fair chosen operating balance of duties and
rights.
Above is standard Adore stuff...
Ownership of a cognition means that you have the rights of control
over what to do with that cog, including talking about it with others or
forgetting it entirely.
Ownership can be taken away in at least two ways.
First simply by lack of fair exchange, even if the giving party
doesn't put any limitations on what you can do with the cog, the cat
that you still owe them in fair exchange, means the cog isn't quite
yours.
You buy a car with a promise to pay at a later date. Sure the car
is yours to drive, but if you don't pay, they can come take the car
back, so the car isn't really fully yours until the debt of havingness
is paid.
In the same way a preclear feels that the Master, auditor and C/S
have a lien of sorts on his case gain, until he can fully exchange for
it.
Knowing he is getting something for free will kill a session, but
paying money is only a token, and for preclears that realize this,
paying money is not enough.
"COME ON DOWN TO DALLAS!"
Second ownership can be given away by agreement.
You go down to Alan Walter's Dallas Knowledgism Center and you sign
up to receive your Codes auditing. But before they will give it to you,
you must sign a non disclosure agreement, not only for the Codes that
you find about yourself, but also the tech they used to find them.
Thus the final result, your understanding of your most basic Codes,
do not belong to you to do with as you see fit.
And your actions in life are constrained by the enforced agreements
you had to make to get the auditing.
You notice how in the Church NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THEIR CASE,
GAINS OR COGS IN OR OUT OF SESSION.
That's by agreement, but it's enforced by threat of expulsion, from
the 'only game going'.
I remember vividly once at Flag I was suicidal and holding my head
in my hands in my head at the Fort Harrison, really at the end of my
last thread of string, and this high toned guy came up to me and tried
to help.
A few minutes later, get got up to leave after having said to me:
PROBLEMS ONLY PERSIST TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO
CONSIDER UNETHICAL SOLUTIONS TO THEM.
One problem with cogs that come from others is they may not
be totally right, but only right enough to work for them. Thus
such a cog may actually drive you down town if it doesn't match
your reality.
For example replace the word UNETHICAL with ANY in the cog above
and you might see something closer to the truth but way out of range of
our average truth seeker.
Anyhow I looked at what the guy said, and tried to apply it TO
ABSOLUTELY NO AVAIL, and over the years it has molted in to something
different in my space having to do with ANDS, namely two opposing
solutions at the same time, but the point is the next day I saw the guy
in Ethics talking about his egregious violation of the agreement to not
sharing cogs or reality with anyone else.
Later someone came up to me and told me that what he had done was
NOT OK, their favorite term for being conscious and originating a
communication of worth, and that I shouldn't solicit, nor allow others,
to help me by giving me cogs.
I never forgot that lesson, OWNERSHIP OF COGS BELONGS TO THE GIVER
or the facilitator NOT THE RECEIVER. At that moment I decided never to
allow my understandings of life to be owned by anyone for any reason, no
matter what the consequences.
So if I give you a cog, it's YOURS.
It's not that help is bad, its that help with strings is bad.
I mean just how low does your pride level have to be that you will
sell a part of your soul in self constraints just to get your pride
back?
Certainly it might make sense in some things to have trademark
secrets and non disclosure agreements.
And certainly you were not FORCED to get your Codes from the
Knowledgism group, maybe you could have gotten them elsewhere.
And in any case, need does not bestow right, so just because you
NEED your codes to function again in the spiritual world, doesn't mean
anyone else has a duty to give them to you, nor help you get them
yourself, and so they are free to attach whatever strings or indentured
servitude for the rest of time they wish, to the delivery of the
services you want, need and request of them.
This is simple good business sense.
And its a great way to own people, to get them to do your bidding,
and keep them from giving away the secrets of your tech so that your
income doesn't crash because suddenly just anyone can produces a cleared
Codee.
How does that make you feel?
Homer
Tue Jan 17 13:56:58 EST 2017
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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DUPLICATION AND REPLICATION
Heidrun Beer (hBeer@SGMT.AT) wrote:
>Alan is talking about duplication in the LRH definition, as it is
>used in auditing: viewing something completely as-is, getting every
>detail of it.
This is an incorrect definition of duplication.
Duplication is replication.
A RECREATING of the original object, in its original space and
time, which then puts one back at the source point of the original
creation, and thus when one let's go, it vanishes.
Things persist to the degree they aren't being created.
>Which brings up the question: how can you duplicate something that is
>outside your range of perception?
You can't.
>If, for instance, an image contains portions that reflect the light
>in the UV range, can we ever duplicate it (view it exactly as-is),
>with our eyes' perception range being truncated below the UV range?
No, but you can duplicate the facsimile. If the fac contains the
UV, it will be apparent to you, as the fac contains a copy of
everything that was apparent to you at the time of the incident.
One might argue that the force waves behind the UV light
are recorded even if they are beyond the perception of the being,
so one would have to then raise ones perception of FORCE in order
to as-is them. Same thing for radiation.
>Could we ever duplicate an incident that contains ultrasound?
You can duplicate the fac and the FORCE in it created at the time.
>Same for certain emotional states (tone levels). If a person's
>range of tone levels is truncated, can he ever duplicate mental
>images that contain these tone levels? Or will he be stuck with
>them forever?
Facsimiles are recordings of FORCE, the thetan can always raise his
awareness of force.
More to the point, an 'incident' is not just a facsimile carrying
forward in present time, it is much deeper than that. Anyone can
confront a fac.
The being himself is still stuck IN THE PAST where the incident
occurred, left a part of himself in the past still trying to hold it
still. He needs to solve that incident in such a way that if he had
done the solution back when it happened it would not have formed an
incident or a fac. He is still THERE, so he still needs to solve it.
The facsimile track is a secondary artifact of the original non
confront. Its more like a road sign saying don't go here (into the
real past), you won't like it. The fac is made hard to confront
because it contains pain and unconsciousness but is no where near the
power of the original incident in which the pc is actually stuck back
there.
This view goes beyond dianetics that said all there was, was the
facsimile. Now I am saying that the pc is right there in the past, a
part of him, with his thetan finger in the dyke trying to hold it
back.
Hard for some people to separate the two.
For most people 'stuck in the past' means stuck in a present time
facsimile of the past. No, the guy is stuck in the past, and HAS a
facsimile of the past in present time in which he pretends he is stuck
so he doesn't have to deal with regathering himself from the past.
He can't let go of the past until he becomes willing to have had
the past happen, he didn't fully experience it when it happened, and
the part of him that didn't experience it is still back there making
sure he still doesn't experience it.
ANOTHER part of him is fighting with a facsimile picture of the
incident in present.
Releasing the facsimile gives some free theta back to the being,
but does not allow him to move freely in time.
Releasing his stuckness in the past, allows the pc to move in
time.
Releasing the facsimilies allows the pc to move freely on the
facsimile time track.
Releasing his stuckness in the past, allows the pc to move freely
in time.
*BIG* difference. One is clear, the other is OT.
Clears have erased their facsimile tracks, but are still mostly
buttered all over the universe.
The test?
Can they move freely in time?
The prove it cases want to be able to move freely in space.
Havingness comes from being able to move freely in time.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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DUPLICATION AND REPLICATION
Heidrun Beer (hBeer@SGMT.AT) wrote:
>Alan is talking about duplication in the LRH definition, as it is
>used in auditing: viewing something completely as-is, getting every
>detail of it.
This is an incorrect definition of duplication.
Duplication is replication.
A RECREATING of the original object, in its original space and
time, which then puts one back at the source point of the original
creation, and thus when one let's go, it vanishes.
Things persist to the degree they aren't being created.
>Which brings up the question: how can you duplicate something that is
>outside your range of perception?
You can't.
>If, for instance, an image contains portions that reflect the light
>in the UV range, can we ever duplicate it (view it exactly as-is),
>with our eyes' perception range being truncated below the UV range?
No, but you can duplicate the facsimile. If the fac contains the
UV, it will be apparent to you, as the fac contains a copy of
everything that was apparent to you at the time of the incident.
One might argue that the force waves behind the UV light
are recorded even if they are beyond the perception of the being,
so one would have to then raise ones perception of FORCE in order
to as-is them. Same thing for radiation.
>Could we ever duplicate an incident that contains ultrasound?
You can duplicate the fac and the FORCE in it created at the time.
>Same for certain emotional states (tone levels). If a person's
>range of tone levels is truncated, can he ever duplicate mental
>images that contain these tone levels? Or will he be stuck with
>them forever?
Facsimiles are recordings of FORCE, the thetan can always raise his
awareness of force.
More to the point, an 'incident' is not just a facsimile carrying
forward in present time, it is much deeper than that. Anyone can
confront a fac.
The being himself is still stuck IN THE PAST where the incident
occurred, left a part of himself in the past still trying to hold it
still. He needs to solve that incident in such a way that if he had
done the solution back when it happened it would not have formed an
incident or a fac. He is still THERE, so he still needs to solve it.
The facsimile track is a secondary artifact of the original non
confront. Its more like a road sign saying don't go here (into the
real past), you won't like it. The fac is made hard to confront
because it contains pain and unconsciousness but is no where near the
power of the original incident in which the pc is actually stuck back
there.
This view goes beyond dianetics that said all there was, was the
facsimile. Now I am saying that the pc is right there in the past, a
part of him, with his thetan finger in the dyke trying to hold it
back.
Hard for some people to separate the two.
For most people 'stuck in the past' means stuck in a present time
facsimile of the past. No, the guy is stuck in the past, and HAS a
facsimile of the past in present time in which he pretends he is stuck
so he doesn't have to deal with regathering himself from the past.
He can't let go of the past until he becomes willing to have had
the past happen, he didn't fully experience it when it happened, and
the part of him that didn't experience it is still back there making
sure he still doesn't experience it.
ANOTHER part of him is fighting with a facsimile picture of the
incident in present.
Releasing the facsimile gives some free theta back to the being,
but does not allow him to move freely in time.
Releasing his stuckness in the past, allows the pc to move in
time.
Releasing the facsimilies allows the pc to move freely on the
facsimile time track.
Releasing his stuckness in the past, allows the pc to move freely
in time.
*BIG* difference. One is clear, the other is OT.
Clears have erased their facsimile tracks, but are still mostly
buttered all over the universe.
The test?
Can they move freely in time?
The prove it cases want to be able to move freely in space.
Havingness comes from being able to move freely in time.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Questions are havingness.
Questions are like pretty baubles you wear on your wrist for all
to see.
When you answer a question it goes poof! It's gone.
That's a loss of havingness, you see?
Primary upset was with not knowing the answer to a question, all
the rest came afterwards, problems, overts, withholds, upsets, make
wrongs.
People think they need to answer a question to solve their case.
This is wrong, none of their questions will be answered until
long after they solve their case.
Once all the somatics are gone, all the worry, anger, fear,
sorrow and regret are gone, once you have melded your male and female
halves and are living and breathing a continuous orgasm, once you can
live in not know forever for free and not care, then you will come up
with answers to your questions.
So do your case a favor, throw your mind out the window, drop
kick it over the goal post and give yourself 10 points.
Not talking about questions of a scientific nature, but of a
spiritual nature, where am I, what am I doing here, What's the story,
Jerry? etc.
"The exact attitude with which one approaches answering a
question determines whether or not one gets an answer.
That exact attitude is Omni Sovereignty." - Adore
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Questions are havingness.
Questions are like pretty baubles you wear on your wrist for all
to see.
When you answer a question it goes poof! It's gone.
That's a loss of havingness, you see?
Primary upset was with not knowing the answer to a question, all
the rest came afterwards, problems, overts, withholds, upsets, make
wrongs.
People think they need to answer a question to solve their case.
This is wrong, none of their questions will be answered until
long after they solve their case.
Once all the somatics are gone, all the worry, anger, fear,
sorrow and regret are gone, once you have melded your male and female
halves and are living and breathing a continuous orgasm, once you can
live in not know forever for free and not care, then you will come up
with answers to your questions.
So do your case a favor, throw your mind out the window, drop
kick it over the goal post and give yourself 10 points.
Not talking about questions of a scientific nature, but of a
spiritual nature, where am I, what am I doing here, What's the story,
Jerry? etc.
"The exact attitude with which one approaches answering a
question determines whether or not one gets an answer.
That exact attitude is Omni Sovereignty." - Adore
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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IS LIFE A STATIC?
SCI - 34
Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
This is my view on the 'is life a static' question.
You all know that I prefer the 'world is a dream' theory.
Technically speaking that means existence is a 0 dimensional scalar
operating actuality called Source with an infinite number of Sovereign
viewports called souls or conscious units.
In plain english, there IS no space.
So of course life is a static.
When a thetan first creates space to view, he is aware, very
aware in fact, that he is eternally stationary and that space is
holographically projected around him with all of its objects, within
the fabric of his own conscious unit.
In other words there is no space, but there are pictures of space
which themselves do not take up space.
In this state the thetan is called an 'orientation point', and
everything else that is being projected is called a 'symbol',
something with space, mass, meaning and mobility.
While the thetan is connected to this truth of being an absolute
eternally stationary orientation point, he can command absolute power
over the creation of space, time, matter and energy, and the placement
of other beingnesses and lookers in his space.
It is during this phase that other thetans, also in the sovereign
orientation point state, join up with the first thetan to make a co
shared dream world.
Thus Ron has said, 'Power stems from the ability to maintain your
position in space.'
This is a joke of course, as the thetan can not move in
actuality, but can only move space around him, refreshing the drawing
as he goes so to speak. But it is none the less true, in the sense
that as long as the thetan can remain connected to the orientation
point state, he does have absolute power.
But then a thetan can do something really strange, and he does it
mainly for fun.
"Fun means Finding and UNearthing unearthly hypocricies." - Adore
He can change his consideration about his relationship to space,
by claiming that SPACE IS STATIONARY AND HE IS MOVING. Thus he gives
orientation power over to space itself, and becomes himself a symbol
or an object within that space.
Thus he takes on mass, meaning and mobility, otherwise called
BEINGNESS, or more accurately called BECOMINGNESS.
Now that the thetan can 'move', or can view the world as if he is
moving and space is stationary and fixed, he can get into a lot of
trouble.
He can BE MOVED by other objects, thetans and forces in the space
around him, to places where he does not want to be. Since he is no
longer connected to Sovereign power as an orientation point, he has
only the power he assigned to himself as a symbol. If he runs into
something as a symbol that has more power than he does, well he can be
effected by that thing to his benefit or detriment.
In other words other things can move him around to places he
either wants to be or doesn't want to be. In fact he comes to DEPEND
on things to move him to where he wants to be, and he comes to EXPECT
things to move him to places he doesn't want to be.
Thus when you become a baby body, you become a symbol that can be
moved around by your parents, and you come to depend on them to move
you properly, feed you, bathe you, take care of you etc, and you also
come to expect them to not move you properly, as they use you, abuse
you and throw you away.
Thus the need for auditing to address these early issues of
power, and being or not being moved properly.
Worse once a thetan shifts over to being a symbol he can now be
nailed, or caged or PREVENTED from moving. He can be held still
against his will by superior forces, which is a real joke, because the
thetan in actuality is already Eternally Still. But since he is
playing being a symbol who wants to move, he will struggle against the
forces pinning him down until he goes into apathy and gives up. Then
he 'wants to die'.
This is what crucifixion is about.
You are trying to move, and other things are trying to nail you
still.
If the thetan could only wake up during such incidents, which
means re operate the flip in viewpoint from being a symbol back to
being an orientation point, then he would be connected to total power
again and do what he willed with those attacking him.
Thus processes addressed to this problem of orientation point and
symbol and the thetan's ability to shift his viewpoint at will from
orientation point to symbol and back again could possibly be of great
benefit to his case.
A case is merely that conflict between the thetan's desire to be
a Sovereign orientation point, and his desire to be a non Sovereign
symbol, and the various solutions that he has piled on himself to
solve that conflict.
The purpose of auditing is to reoptimize in the thetan's own
estimation the balance of these two conditions.
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SCI - 34
Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
This is my view on the 'is life a static' question.
You all know that I prefer the 'world is a dream' theory.
Technically speaking that means existence is a 0 dimensional scalar
operating actuality called Source with an infinite number of Sovereign
viewports called souls or conscious units.
In plain english, there IS no space.
So of course life is a static.
When a thetan first creates space to view, he is aware, very
aware in fact, that he is eternally stationary and that space is
holographically projected around him with all of its objects, within
the fabric of his own conscious unit.
In other words there is no space, but there are pictures of space
which themselves do not take up space.
In this state the thetan is called an 'orientation point', and
everything else that is being projected is called a 'symbol',
something with space, mass, meaning and mobility.
While the thetan is connected to this truth of being an absolute
eternally stationary orientation point, he can command absolute power
over the creation of space, time, matter and energy, and the placement
of other beingnesses and lookers in his space.
It is during this phase that other thetans, also in the sovereign
orientation point state, join up with the first thetan to make a co
shared dream world.
Thus Ron has said, 'Power stems from the ability to maintain your
position in space.'
This is a joke of course, as the thetan can not move in
actuality, but can only move space around him, refreshing the drawing
as he goes so to speak. But it is none the less true, in the sense
that as long as the thetan can remain connected to the orientation
point state, he does have absolute power.
But then a thetan can do something really strange, and he does it
mainly for fun.
"Fun means Finding and UNearthing unearthly hypocricies." - Adore
He can change his consideration about his relationship to space,
by claiming that SPACE IS STATIONARY AND HE IS MOVING. Thus he gives
orientation power over to space itself, and becomes himself a symbol
or an object within that space.
Thus he takes on mass, meaning and mobility, otherwise called
BEINGNESS, or more accurately called BECOMINGNESS.
Now that the thetan can 'move', or can view the world as if he is
moving and space is stationary and fixed, he can get into a lot of
trouble.
He can BE MOVED by other objects, thetans and forces in the space
around him, to places where he does not want to be. Since he is no
longer connected to Sovereign power as an orientation point, he has
only the power he assigned to himself as a symbol. If he runs into
something as a symbol that has more power than he does, well he can be
effected by that thing to his benefit or detriment.
In other words other things can move him around to places he
either wants to be or doesn't want to be. In fact he comes to DEPEND
on things to move him to where he wants to be, and he comes to EXPECT
things to move him to places he doesn't want to be.
Thus when you become a baby body, you become a symbol that can be
moved around by your parents, and you come to depend on them to move
you properly, feed you, bathe you, take care of you etc, and you also
come to expect them to not move you properly, as they use you, abuse
you and throw you away.
Thus the need for auditing to address these early issues of
power, and being or not being moved properly.
Worse once a thetan shifts over to being a symbol he can now be
nailed, or caged or PREVENTED from moving. He can be held still
against his will by superior forces, which is a real joke, because the
thetan in actuality is already Eternally Still. But since he is
playing being a symbol who wants to move, he will struggle against the
forces pinning him down until he goes into apathy and gives up. Then
he 'wants to die'.
This is what crucifixion is about.
You are trying to move, and other things are trying to nail you
still.
If the thetan could only wake up during such incidents, which
means re operate the flip in viewpoint from being a symbol back to
being an orientation point, then he would be connected to total power
again and do what he willed with those attacking him.
Thus processes addressed to this problem of orientation point and
symbol and the thetan's ability to shift his viewpoint at will from
orientation point to symbol and back again could possibly be of great
benefit to his case.
A case is merely that conflict between the thetan's desire to be
a Sovereign orientation point, and his desire to be a non Sovereign
symbol, and the various solutions that he has piled on himself to
solve that conflict.
The purpose of auditing is to reoptimize in the thetan's own
estimation the balance of these two conditions.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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