BODY AND THETAN II
Here is the strongest argument I know that bodies do not need
thetan class beings in them to survive.
We assume that bodies are made of GE class elementals with their
own track and their own game.
Bodies are not made by thetans, they are made by parents.
Thus when and where a body is created depends upon the free wills
of the bodies that becomes it parents, plus the decisions of any thetans
in those parental bodies.
That means since bodies are being born all the time, there must be
a long line of GE class beings waiting in the soup so to speak until
they are called into service to create and keep that new body alive.
They don't have much choice in the matter, body is conceived, and
GE's are sucked in to fill the ever expanding number of cellular posts
that make the body go.
If that were true for thetan class beings, then they too would have
to line up and be forced to join a body lest it die, and the time of
assumption would have to be mostly identical for everyone, probably at
conception and certainly not after birth.
Hubbard's research indicated that there was definitely a GE time
track, and definitely a thetan time track and that they were two
different histories.
Further he claimed that the thetan tended to take over the body
when and IF it wanted to, sometimes going in and out many times before a
final control transfer was undertaken, never to get out again.
He indicated in the early tapes that thetan's tended to take over
bodies as late as they could after birth, and were only forced into
earlier and earlier assumptions by competition from other thetans.
The idea that the thetan is necessary to the biological life of the
body, means that if all 6 to 10 billion thetans incarnated on Earth were
cleared of the need to have a body, all bodies would die at birth or
before.
I would suggest that the body is independent of the thetan, and the
thetan is not a natural part of a body, that the body has an
intelligence similar to a chimpanzee, they can go to the fridge and pull
a beer, or drive a car, but they couldn't FIX a car nor could they
invent one.
The natural thetan's scope, span, depth and field is many millions
of times bigger than a body, and it feels that not being able to do
anything without having to do it with his body is a prison of magnitude.
This ARC break then kicks back against the body who feels resented
by the thetan because it can't fly, climb mountains, go to the stars, or
do whatever thetans want and can do.
The body is also naturally used to a 300 foot radius of awareness,
and is not supposed to be burdened by awareness of what is going on 3000
miles away in India.
To a natural body, if it ain't happening to IT, it ain't happening.
Having a thetan sucked into its brain changes that causing the body
to give up in despair, because it knows it can't handle or do anything
about anything outside of its radius of awareness. The fact that the
THETAN then tries to force the body to become a super soldier and deal
with all the world problems, drives the body even further down tone.
This is like a parent forcing a baby to go to war.
It shows up in running thetans forcing bodies to go to thetan wars.
Most bodies would kill the thetan in them without second thought,
except for the fact that the thetan is pretty good at bringing home good
food, shelter and sex for it.
It should be mentioned that a body without a thetan is pretty cowed
by bodies that have thetans in them, so its first impulse is to get
itself a thetan too, for 'thetans know what to do.'
Nonetheless half the charge between thetan and body is the thetan's
hatred for the body and its limitations and attitudes, and the other
half of the charge is the body's hatred for the thetan constantly trying
to make the body be more than it is, and getting it killed, hurt or
harmed, in the process.
There are also body - thetan conflicts too numerous to go over
again, the primary one of which is the body runs on must never happen
again, and the thetan had better not, because the thetan can only
resolve things BY MAKING IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Willingness to start enables being able to stop.
You can only change what you PUT THERE.
Once the thetan considers its own universe runs like the body's
universe, it is doomed.
Basically bodies and thetans hate each other to the core of their
being, the result of such a meld is an "I am fine, thank you" case.
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Friday, June 21, 2013
IS
IS AND IS NOT, THE PHILOSOPHY OF CRIMINALITY
There seems to be some contention on the value of bimodal logic
and bimodal statements.
A bimodal statement is any statment that uses or asserts, either
explicitly or implicitly that IS is not IS NOT.
The complete model is:
IS is IS
IS is not IS NOT
IS NOT is IS NOT
IS NOT is not IS
Bimodal logic asserts that something either IS or IS NOT, that it can
never be both IS AND IS NOT, and can never be neither IS NOR IS NOT.
Bimodal logic is merely the application of the above model to the
subject of reality, actuality and truth, in particular spoken statements
of truth about reality and actuality.
A statement of truth is any statement, whether implicitly
or explicitly stated, of the form:
"It is true that..." or
"It is not true that..."
Statements of truth can be true or false, the moniker
differentiates them from expletives, commands and questions.
In the following the term 'statement' means only 'statements of
truth' whether right or wrong.
The statement that gradient logic is more valid than bimodal logic
is a bimodal statement taking its meaning and validity from bimodal
logic.
The statement that bi modal statements are wrong, invalid and
useless is a bimodal statement, which by its own assertion therefore, is
wrong, invalid and useless.
Therefore bimodal logic is true, valid and useful, and contains and
constrains all other logics of whatever kind.
Any statement using IS and IS NOT is a bimodal statement.
*ALL* statments use IS and IS NOT.
Therefore ALL statments are bimodal.
*ALL* statements about bimodal logic are bimodal and assume the
validity of bimodal logic for their veracity.
*ALL* statements about the invalidity of bimodal logic are bimodal
and assume the validity of bimodal logic to deny the validity of bimodal
logic.
One can not say ANYTHING about IS and IS NOT without USING IS and
IS NOT in the statement, either explicitly or implicitly.
One can not say that IS and IS NOT do not apply to Universe A,
without saying
"IT *IS* TRUE that IS and IS NOT do not apply to Universe A."
One can not assert that IS does not apply to Universe A without
USING IS to make the assertion.
Even the assertion that NO assertions apply to Universe A is an
assertion which applies to Universe A.
*ALL* assertions assume the validity of IS in the making of the
assertion.
Therefore IS does apply to Universe A.
Therefore IS and IS NOT apply to all possible universes A, whether
or not they have ever existed, or ever will exist, whether or not they
could exist, and whether or not anything exists at all.
Apparently what passes for philosophers these days, are failed
logicians.
Obfuscation of the truth of IS and IS NOT is an intentionally
harmful and criminal act against the God of I AM.
Criminal philosophers can lie to the people, and they can lie to
themselves, but they can not lie to the God of Truth.
One day Truth will see the dishonesty of their voice and cast them
out.
And on that day I will rejoice in Eternal Peace.
For the liars and lovers of falsehood with crippled and broken
minds will speak no more in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Homer
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There seems to be some contention on the value of bimodal logic
and bimodal statements.
A bimodal statement is any statment that uses or asserts, either
explicitly or implicitly that IS is not IS NOT.
The complete model is:
IS is IS
IS is not IS NOT
IS NOT is IS NOT
IS NOT is not IS
Bimodal logic asserts that something either IS or IS NOT, that it can
never be both IS AND IS NOT, and can never be neither IS NOR IS NOT.
Bimodal logic is merely the application of the above model to the
subject of reality, actuality and truth, in particular spoken statements
of truth about reality and actuality.
A statement of truth is any statement, whether implicitly
or explicitly stated, of the form:
"It is true that..." or
"It is not true that..."
Statements of truth can be true or false, the moniker
differentiates them from expletives, commands and questions.
In the following the term 'statement' means only 'statements of
truth' whether right or wrong.
The statement that gradient logic is more valid than bimodal logic
is a bimodal statement taking its meaning and validity from bimodal
logic.
The statement that bi modal statements are wrong, invalid and
useless is a bimodal statement, which by its own assertion therefore, is
wrong, invalid and useless.
Therefore bimodal logic is true, valid and useful, and contains and
constrains all other logics of whatever kind.
Any statement using IS and IS NOT is a bimodal statement.
*ALL* statments use IS and IS NOT.
Therefore ALL statments are bimodal.
*ALL* statements about bimodal logic are bimodal and assume the
validity of bimodal logic for their veracity.
*ALL* statements about the invalidity of bimodal logic are bimodal
and assume the validity of bimodal logic to deny the validity of bimodal
logic.
One can not say ANYTHING about IS and IS NOT without USING IS and
IS NOT in the statement, either explicitly or implicitly.
One can not say that IS and IS NOT do not apply to Universe A,
without saying
"IT *IS* TRUE that IS and IS NOT do not apply to Universe A."
One can not assert that IS does not apply to Universe A without
USING IS to make the assertion.
Even the assertion that NO assertions apply to Universe A is an
assertion which applies to Universe A.
*ALL* assertions assume the validity of IS in the making of the
assertion.
Therefore IS does apply to Universe A.
Therefore IS and IS NOT apply to all possible universes A, whether
or not they have ever existed, or ever will exist, whether or not they
could exist, and whether or not anything exists at all.
Apparently what passes for philosophers these days, are failed
logicians.
Obfuscation of the truth of IS and IS NOT is an intentionally
harmful and criminal act against the God of I AM.
Criminal philosophers can lie to the people, and they can lie to
themselves, but they can not lie to the God of Truth.
One day Truth will see the dishonesty of their voice and cast them
out.
And on that day I will rejoice in Eternal Peace.
For the liars and lovers of falsehood with crippled and broken
minds will speak no more in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Homer
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One can argue the wisdom of making drugs illegal because you
think that they are bad for people. But there are serious allegations
that the government has been selling cocaine and heroin to its own
population for a long time to raise money for arms. To some people
the whole idea of making drugs illegal, although couched in terms of
moral indignation at their destructiveness, really gets its birth from an
effort to drive their prices up, wipe out the competition and then sell
them yourself in order to make a higher profit.
Most people feel that this kind of deceit on the part of our US
government is out of the question. However I have personally seen
stories on TV that were quickly squelched that indicated that it is
true and wide spread.
Further the making of drugs illegal is SO STUPID one can only
surmise that the people in government must know better and thus of
course they have a hidden agenda to making them illegal.
I find it interesting that the very people who are held
responsibile for DOING something about the drug problem are by law not
allowed to have EVER done the drug, so they are fighting something
they have zero personal understanding of. A higher monument to
hypocrisy could not be built.
Homer Charles A. Lyons 9/08/89*Cornell Daily Sun
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
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One can argue the wisdom of making drugs illegal because you
think that they are bad for people. But there are serious allegations
that the government has been selling cocaine and heroin to its own
population for a long time to raise money for arms. To some people
the whole idea of making drugs illegal, although couched in terms of
moral indignation at their destructiveness, really gets its birth from an
effort to drive their prices up, wipe out the competition and then sell
them yourself in order to make a higher profit.
Most people feel that this kind of deceit on the part of our US
government is out of the question. However I have personally seen
stories on TV that were quickly squelched that indicated that it is
true and wide spread.
Further the making of drugs illegal is SO STUPID one can only
surmise that the people in government must know better and thus of
course they have a hidden agenda to making them illegal.
I find it interesting that the very people who are held
responsibile for DOING something about the drug problem are by law not
allowed to have EVER done the drug, so they are fighting something
they have zero personal understanding of. A higher monument to
hypocrisy could not be built.
Homer Charles A. Lyons 9/08/89*Cornell Daily Sun
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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ADORE19 (fwd)
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Phil Scott (philscott88@hotmail.com) wrote:
>2. Then speculate where you might be in those areas now if you had
>been raised in a comfortable, respectful, clean and caring home as a
>child. (and not had to endure the experience of your real life
>mother).
A home is but a small termites nest in the scheme of things,
one's 'home' is the civilization one lives in, the planet one lives
on, the thermonuclear explosion one lives around, the galaxy one is
exiled to, and the universe that imprisons one forever for free.
My mother was a product of shock. She was hysterical from
overwhelm, looked in the eye of the dragon once too often and didn't
survive.
>Then consider if your real life mother, and that nasty situation in
>general, has had a net and overwhelming benefical effect on your
>spirital development or a net destructive on your spiritual
>development.
I do not know what had the most destructive influence on my
spiritual *LIFE*, mostly my mortality and not knowing The Proof until
I was 21. By that time it was too late, I was dead and still am.
Could have been born dead for all I know.
The most beneficial influence on my spiritual life has been
The Proof, pot acid and music.
I don't see the world as 'development', except in the sense that
Leonard Cohen put it, 'When Jesus knew for certain only drowning men
could see him, he said all men shall be sailors then until the sea
shall free them.'
That's me. Hit bottom, and THAT turned me around.
>Then tell me about good and evil.
Not sure about your point, except perhaps you are trying to say
that evil is good in that it helps good recover their creator status.
Dunno.
What I see is that the universe is an alloy of truth and lies,
too much truth is a problem, as it prevents the being from staying in,
too much untruth is a problem, as it prevents him from getting out,
the being seeks an optimum mixture in order to enjoy the game, perhaps
even the game of 'learning lessons'. The static has no need of
lessons, it inherently knows all it needs to know, and the static
retains no learning it gleaned while playing its own game, once it
returns to static.
All I know is that preaching that the Creator is good and all
evil comes from the Creature which is not the responsibility of the
Creator is *FUCKING NUTS* from here to Eternity. It might even be THE
lie that sends the whole universe of Creatures spiralling into hell
forever with Carol in the lead with her bright light of darkness at
the head of the column.
I have glimpsed upon the Creator, a number of times. I can tell
you one thing, anyone who looks upon the face of God will NOT come
away from the experience thinking that God is GOOD. They won't think
God is Evil either maybe, but they will understand Omni Numinous for
the first time in their lives, and they will see that supplication to
God is utterly meaningless because God creates the state they are in,
and God creates the supplication it engenders, and God creates the
response which is nothing, because only the being can create his past
present and future, AS a polyp of God, AS a creator creating himself
as a creature.
There is no one to pray to except oneself as a Creator become
Creature and others as Creators become Creatures and whatever remains
of the Cosmic All as Creator that has not yet become Creature.
What I have seen of the Creator is a Cosmic All that spreads its
Wings of the Dicom over all existence and flaps them to create motion
and kinetics, which includes hundreds of trillions of yap and natters
all chiming "God is Good, Evil is nothing, expediency in philosophy is
better than becoming the Creator again and packing our own wings of
the dicom away again!"
Neither wing is subservient to the other wing, they flap together
and in synchrony, each giving the other purpose, and when one closes
up, they both close up.
The Creator of all is the Creator of Good and Evil, it can be no
other way, and it creates these things FOR ITSELF.
What then is IT'S true nature?
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Phil Scott (philscott88@hotmail.com) wrote:
>2. Then speculate where you might be in those areas now if you had
>been raised in a comfortable, respectful, clean and caring home as a
>child. (and not had to endure the experience of your real life
>mother).
A home is but a small termites nest in the scheme of things,
one's 'home' is the civilization one lives in, the planet one lives
on, the thermonuclear explosion one lives around, the galaxy one is
exiled to, and the universe that imprisons one forever for free.
My mother was a product of shock. She was hysterical from
overwhelm, looked in the eye of the dragon once too often and didn't
survive.
>Then consider if your real life mother, and that nasty situation in
>general, has had a net and overwhelming benefical effect on your
>spirital development or a net destructive on your spiritual
>development.
I do not know what had the most destructive influence on my
spiritual *LIFE*, mostly my mortality and not knowing The Proof until
I was 21. By that time it was too late, I was dead and still am.
Could have been born dead for all I know.
The most beneficial influence on my spiritual life has been
The Proof, pot acid and music.
I don't see the world as 'development', except in the sense that
Leonard Cohen put it, 'When Jesus knew for certain only drowning men
could see him, he said all men shall be sailors then until the sea
shall free them.'
That's me. Hit bottom, and THAT turned me around.
>Then tell me about good and evil.
Not sure about your point, except perhaps you are trying to say
that evil is good in that it helps good recover their creator status.
Dunno.
What I see is that the universe is an alloy of truth and lies,
too much truth is a problem, as it prevents the being from staying in,
too much untruth is a problem, as it prevents him from getting out,
the being seeks an optimum mixture in order to enjoy the game, perhaps
even the game of 'learning lessons'. The static has no need of
lessons, it inherently knows all it needs to know, and the static
retains no learning it gleaned while playing its own game, once it
returns to static.
All I know is that preaching that the Creator is good and all
evil comes from the Creature which is not the responsibility of the
Creator is *FUCKING NUTS* from here to Eternity. It might even be THE
lie that sends the whole universe of Creatures spiralling into hell
forever with Carol in the lead with her bright light of darkness at
the head of the column.
I have glimpsed upon the Creator, a number of times. I can tell
you one thing, anyone who looks upon the face of God will NOT come
away from the experience thinking that God is GOOD. They won't think
God is Evil either maybe, but they will understand Omni Numinous for
the first time in their lives, and they will see that supplication to
God is utterly meaningless because God creates the state they are in,
and God creates the supplication it engenders, and God creates the
response which is nothing, because only the being can create his past
present and future, AS a polyp of God, AS a creator creating himself
as a creature.
There is no one to pray to except oneself as a Creator become
Creature and others as Creators become Creatures and whatever remains
of the Cosmic All as Creator that has not yet become Creature.
What I have seen of the Creator is a Cosmic All that spreads its
Wings of the Dicom over all existence and flaps them to create motion
and kinetics, which includes hundreds of trillions of yap and natters
all chiming "God is Good, Evil is nothing, expediency in philosophy is
better than becoming the Creator again and packing our own wings of
the dicom away again!"
Neither wing is subservient to the other wing, they flap together
and in synchrony, each giving the other purpose, and when one closes
up, they both close up.
The Creator of all is the Creator of Good and Evil, it can be no
other way, and it creates these things FOR ITSELF.
What then is IT'S true nature?
Homer
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KARMA GROUPS
> Is this Hinduism or Buddhism karma?
Neither.
Remember Blubbard said that if you solve a problem in your own
space, it will solve it in other's space too. I seen that happen with
me, hard to know exact causes beyond coincidence.
However one can easily imagine a 'karma group', those that have
charge on each other, each one holding the charge in place for the
others, so it becomes a self locking group.
"I hate you, you hate me, so neither of us can be free."
One can also see that one being can belong to many different karma
groups with little over lap in who belongs to each one.
Anyhow for each item that a being clears in himself about others,
it clears that item to some degree in them too.
One's karma group is what 'holds' one (me-you pair) here, unfree to
leave the game. One still owes, and also one is still trying to collect
on what one is owed. So one can't go.
As the auditing of items begins to run deep, an amnesty process
takes place, you no longer owe, and they no longer owe, and if they did,
you certainly ain't going to hang round trying to collect, and so you
become free to leave, even though you have done terrible wrongs to
others.
They actually stop caring and forgive you with out knowing why, or
even talking to you about it.
The postulate that you have to hang around and make amends to those
you have wronged, precommits you to the prior postulate that they are
still hurting and holding onto the damage you 'caused' them, and thus
they 'need' your help, and need of course bestows right to them, and
duty to you, so of course you can't get off your horse and walk away.
Thus when the Christians ask God to forgive them as they forgive
others, they are appealing in a basic way to this phenomenon. On the
surface one might complain that just because God forgives you, doesn't
mean anyone else does, and really the debt is not to God but to them.
But if you understand that we ARE God in carnation, then forgiving
others and being forgiven by others IS being forgiven by God the
High-US, and the whole thing makes a lot more sense.
Forgiving is in part re owning other people as brother and sister,
mother and father, child and mate, as in undisowning them, and in doing
so, they have a hard time continuing to disown you, or others they were
disowning as you were disowning them.
This is part of Most Detested Terminal processing, and defies
most attempts at physical logical explanation as to why it works.
Once you blow Goober as a Nemesis One, Dufus blows you
as a Nemesis One.
So the whole web of hate starts to break up in chunks that might
not seem realted to each other.
Its all about flows in the conscious universe.
There is more to life than tick tock physical mechanics.
Homer
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KARMA GROUPS
> Is this Hinduism or Buddhism karma?
Neither.
Remember Blubbard said that if you solve a problem in your own
space, it will solve it in other's space too. I seen that happen with
me, hard to know exact causes beyond coincidence.
However one can easily imagine a 'karma group', those that have
charge on each other, each one holding the charge in place for the
others, so it becomes a self locking group.
"I hate you, you hate me, so neither of us can be free."
One can also see that one being can belong to many different karma
groups with little over lap in who belongs to each one.
Anyhow for each item that a being clears in himself about others,
it clears that item to some degree in them too.
One's karma group is what 'holds' one (me-you pair) here, unfree to
leave the game. One still owes, and also one is still trying to collect
on what one is owed. So one can't go.
As the auditing of items begins to run deep, an amnesty process
takes place, you no longer owe, and they no longer owe, and if they did,
you certainly ain't going to hang round trying to collect, and so you
become free to leave, even though you have done terrible wrongs to
others.
They actually stop caring and forgive you with out knowing why, or
even talking to you about it.
The postulate that you have to hang around and make amends to those
you have wronged, precommits you to the prior postulate that they are
still hurting and holding onto the damage you 'caused' them, and thus
they 'need' your help, and need of course bestows right to them, and
duty to you, so of course you can't get off your horse and walk away.
Thus when the Christians ask God to forgive them as they forgive
others, they are appealing in a basic way to this phenomenon. On the
surface one might complain that just because God forgives you, doesn't
mean anyone else does, and really the debt is not to God but to them.
But if you understand that we ARE God in carnation, then forgiving
others and being forgiven by others IS being forgiven by God the
High-US, and the whole thing makes a lot more sense.
Forgiving is in part re owning other people as brother and sister,
mother and father, child and mate, as in undisowning them, and in doing
so, they have a hard time continuing to disown you, or others they were
disowning as you were disowning them.
This is part of Most Detested Terminal processing, and defies
most attempts at physical logical explanation as to why it works.
Once you blow Goober as a Nemesis One, Dufus blows you
as a Nemesis One.
So the whole web of hate starts to break up in chunks that might
not seem realted to each other.
Its all about flows in the conscious universe.
There is more to life than tick tock physical mechanics.
Homer
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THE WINDS OF WAR
ACT - 91
11 September 1995
Copyright (C) 1995 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that divide
people into two kinds and those that don't.
With that in mind, I present to you the following SEVERE over
simplification.
There are two kinds of people in the world, the good guys and the
bad guys.
The good guys speak with the Voice of Truth, and the bad guys speak
with the Voice of Lies.
I believe that anonymity is the foundation of freedom in the known
universe. Anonymity is the ability to speak either the voice of truth
or the voice of lies without anyone knowing who you are.
Accountability is the opposite of Anonymity. Accountability means
that everyone knows who said what and can take them to task for it.
Both sides can use force to silence the other side, but usually its
the bad guys who use force to silence the good guys, good guys usually
use more voice of Truth to expose the bad guys.
When they aren't dodging the slings and arrows of the bad guys that
is.
Truth does not necessarily make you powerful, at least in the early
stages. In fact lies, and those that bow and pray to lies, make you
powerful. So when it comes to a match of force, the bad guys often win.
No one would argue that accountability is a bad thing, but I
would point out that ALL the members of the emerging police state are
adamantly FOR accountability at all times for all their citizens.
That should give one pause to wonder.
Anonymity is actually very hard to maintain, and absolute anonymity
for all people at all times is very difficult indeed.
Therefore by observation a society or organization is usually
operating at some gradient scale of anonymity between the extremes of
total anonymity and total non anonymity.
It can come to pass that certain gradient levels of anonymity end
up benefitting the bad guys more than the good guys. In these
situations, the bad guys tend to start winning and the good guys
perceive that the bad guys are winning BECAUSE of anonymity.
Rather than use the weapon of anonymity themselves to protect
against the bad guys, the usual convulsive reaction on the part of the
good guys is to try and close down the channels of anonymity to keep the
bad guys located and corralled. It never occurs to them to open up the
channels more and use it themselves.
The logic for closing down the channels of anonymity is very
simple. Our country is ruled by an Omni Intelligent and Omni Beneficent
God King, therefore if we track down every communication to the person
who said it, our God King will be able to silence the bad guys for us.
The problem is that our country is not run by a God King, but by
human beings who tend to elect each other into power based on the most
outrageous criteria.
As the bad guys see themselves getting corralled with
accountability, they simply run for office and get themselves elected
into the positions of power where THEY are the ones duly elected to take
action against the bad guys. Of course they take action against the
good guys instead.
It is for this reason that the temptation to tighten
accountability when anonymity is abused can be an error that leads to
a terrible trap worse than any tar pit. Namely only the bad guys get
to speak, and the good guys get to remain silent fearing for their
lives.
This is why when the police ask if you have something to hide after
you have refused to let them spot search your belongings, you must
always say, "Of course, I have EVERYTHING to hide. FROM YOU!"
There are certain basic freedoms that MUST remain in place no
matter how egregious the crimes committed therefrom, even if those
crimes are against your mother or children, because without those
freedoms in place allowing such crimes, THE STATE TAKES OVER AND PUTS
EVERYONE INTO A SUPER CONTROLLED SLAVERY.
Which is worse, child pornography or a police state?
There are lots of ways to try and stop child pornography, but
there are few ways to stop both child pornography AND the emerging
police state which feeds on people's fear of child pornography among
other things.
Police states are born from certain kinds of people selling FEAR to
the general populace, and the populace buys it. Such Merchants of Fear
are ALWAYS at the bottom of any police state. They are the foundation
and rock upon which it is built.
Anyhow as an ISP it is my job to provide the channels of
communication between people. That's what I do, I provide the
CHANNEL. This includes standard accountable type channels and not so
standard anonymous type channels.
People who communicate with each other tend to get into fights
over what they are communicating about. Usually they take their
fights out on each other. But when anonymous channels are used, they
don't know who 'each other' is, so they take it out on the provider of
the channel instead. That's me.
It's enough to make you want to throw anonymity in the waste
basket.
Many have suggested that this would be a good idea. However
those who define anonymity as 'premeditated irreponsibility' are
taking the stand that the resistance movement should always fly a big
red flag above their headquarters to let the enemy know from whence
they foray.
One might well ask whose side these people are on.
They usually consider that a government is a safe thing to have
around and wish to give it all the power it needs to protect them from
being a victim to 'crime'.
Anyhow the quest for freedom and its maintenance is an ongoing WAR.
It will never be any other way.
Providing a communication channel is a difficult job, it usually
involves a precarious balance between allowing the good guys to speak
and making sure the bad guys don't get away with the gold.
It is very hard to maintain that balance with both sides pulling
and tugging on you as the provider of the communication channel,
because they can't pull and tug on each other.
Each side wants anonymity for themselves but not for the other
side. Each side takes action against the other side by limiting
anonymity in general, and eventually each side falls into the same tar
pit together where no one can speak, no anonymity.
Ain't Justice Sweet.
Anyhow one of the main purposes of the Subscriber Agreement is to
make sure that people pull and tug on each other, and leave me out of
it even if they got no one to target at the other end of the
communication line.
Homer
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THE WINDS OF WAR
ACT - 91
11 September 1995
Copyright (C) 1995 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that divide
people into two kinds and those that don't.
With that in mind, I present to you the following SEVERE over
simplification.
There are two kinds of people in the world, the good guys and the
bad guys.
The good guys speak with the Voice of Truth, and the bad guys speak
with the Voice of Lies.
I believe that anonymity is the foundation of freedom in the known
universe. Anonymity is the ability to speak either the voice of truth
or the voice of lies without anyone knowing who you are.
Accountability is the opposite of Anonymity. Accountability means
that everyone knows who said what and can take them to task for it.
Both sides can use force to silence the other side, but usually its
the bad guys who use force to silence the good guys, good guys usually
use more voice of Truth to expose the bad guys.
When they aren't dodging the slings and arrows of the bad guys that
is.
Truth does not necessarily make you powerful, at least in the early
stages. In fact lies, and those that bow and pray to lies, make you
powerful. So when it comes to a match of force, the bad guys often win.
No one would argue that accountability is a bad thing, but I
would point out that ALL the members of the emerging police state are
adamantly FOR accountability at all times for all their citizens.
That should give one pause to wonder.
Anonymity is actually very hard to maintain, and absolute anonymity
for all people at all times is very difficult indeed.
Therefore by observation a society or organization is usually
operating at some gradient scale of anonymity between the extremes of
total anonymity and total non anonymity.
It can come to pass that certain gradient levels of anonymity end
up benefitting the bad guys more than the good guys. In these
situations, the bad guys tend to start winning and the good guys
perceive that the bad guys are winning BECAUSE of anonymity.
Rather than use the weapon of anonymity themselves to protect
against the bad guys, the usual convulsive reaction on the part of the
good guys is to try and close down the channels of anonymity to keep the
bad guys located and corralled. It never occurs to them to open up the
channels more and use it themselves.
The logic for closing down the channels of anonymity is very
simple. Our country is ruled by an Omni Intelligent and Omni Beneficent
God King, therefore if we track down every communication to the person
who said it, our God King will be able to silence the bad guys for us.
The problem is that our country is not run by a God King, but by
human beings who tend to elect each other into power based on the most
outrageous criteria.
As the bad guys see themselves getting corralled with
accountability, they simply run for office and get themselves elected
into the positions of power where THEY are the ones duly elected to take
action against the bad guys. Of course they take action against the
good guys instead.
It is for this reason that the temptation to tighten
accountability when anonymity is abused can be an error that leads to
a terrible trap worse than any tar pit. Namely only the bad guys get
to speak, and the good guys get to remain silent fearing for their
lives.
This is why when the police ask if you have something to hide after
you have refused to let them spot search your belongings, you must
always say, "Of course, I have EVERYTHING to hide. FROM YOU!"
There are certain basic freedoms that MUST remain in place no
matter how egregious the crimes committed therefrom, even if those
crimes are against your mother or children, because without those
freedoms in place allowing such crimes, THE STATE TAKES OVER AND PUTS
EVERYONE INTO A SUPER CONTROLLED SLAVERY.
Which is worse, child pornography or a police state?
There are lots of ways to try and stop child pornography, but
there are few ways to stop both child pornography AND the emerging
police state which feeds on people's fear of child pornography among
other things.
Police states are born from certain kinds of people selling FEAR to
the general populace, and the populace buys it. Such Merchants of Fear
are ALWAYS at the bottom of any police state. They are the foundation
and rock upon which it is built.
Anyhow as an ISP it is my job to provide the channels of
communication between people. That's what I do, I provide the
CHANNEL. This includes standard accountable type channels and not so
standard anonymous type channels.
People who communicate with each other tend to get into fights
over what they are communicating about. Usually they take their
fights out on each other. But when anonymous channels are used, they
don't know who 'each other' is, so they take it out on the provider of
the channel instead. That's me.
It's enough to make you want to throw anonymity in the waste
basket.
Many have suggested that this would be a good idea. However
those who define anonymity as 'premeditated irreponsibility' are
taking the stand that the resistance movement should always fly a big
red flag above their headquarters to let the enemy know from whence
they foray.
One might well ask whose side these people are on.
They usually consider that a government is a safe thing to have
around and wish to give it all the power it needs to protect them from
being a victim to 'crime'.
Anyhow the quest for freedom and its maintenance is an ongoing WAR.
It will never be any other way.
Providing a communication channel is a difficult job, it usually
involves a precarious balance between allowing the good guys to speak
and making sure the bad guys don't get away with the gold.
It is very hard to maintain that balance with both sides pulling
and tugging on you as the provider of the communication channel,
because they can't pull and tug on each other.
Each side wants anonymity for themselves but not for the other
side. Each side takes action against the other side by limiting
anonymity in general, and eventually each side falls into the same tar
pit together where no one can speak, no anonymity.
Ain't Justice Sweet.
Anyhow one of the main purposes of the Subscriber Agreement is to
make sure that people pull and tug on each other, and leave me out of
it even if they got no one to target at the other end of the
communication line.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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GOD, SOUL AND THE PROOF
People ask me what The Proof says about the existence of God.
The proof says that certainty between two different objects is
impossible.
Thus if God and Soul are two different objects, neither will
ever know about the other with certainty.
Both will forever remain a theory to the other.
Not even God in his almighty omniscience can know with certainty
across two different objects, even something he himself created!
We know the soul exists.
(The soul is the one who doubts his own existence and wonders about
the existence of God :))
What does that say now about God?
Homer
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GOD, SOUL AND THE PROOF
People ask me what The Proof says about the existence of God.
The proof says that certainty between two different objects is
impossible.
Thus if God and Soul are two different objects, neither will
ever know about the other with certainty.
Both will forever remain a theory to the other.
Not even God in his almighty omniscience can know with certainty
across two different objects, even something he himself created!
We know the soul exists.
(The soul is the one who doubts his own existence and wonders about
the existence of God :))
What does that say now about God?
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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