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OTHER DETERMINISM, OPPOSED BY OR CONTROLLED BY?
ACT - 32
15 December 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
In discussing the posting on other determinism in Ross's
ARBITRARIES, it has come to my attention that I was not clear in what I
said the conflict was.
The term other determinism has two very different meanings in RON's
writings and tapes, and Ross's contention is that the two meanings have
been intentionally confused by the Church in order to better dominate
and suppress their followers.
The higher definition of other determinism is TO BE OPPOSED BY
OTHERS.
The lower definition of other determinism is TO BE CONTROLLED BY
OTHERS
It is clear that a being who is controlling both sides of a game,
like someone who is turning the chess board around after every move and
playing both sides of the game against himself, is being pan determined.
In wishing to become self-determined, in other words to play as
himself against other real players, the being must select out some part
of the game or other players that he himself is not controlling.
The part of the game or collection of other players which the being
is himself not controlling, fall collectively under the term other
determinism.
He is controlling his side of the game, and they are controlling
their side of the game.
The being is being opposed by the other determinisms. Opposition
does not have to be a negative thing, like someone fighting you trying
to make you lose. Even someone cooperating with you is opposite to you
in some sense, and is an 'opposing' other determinism.
Opposing other determinism is merely that other determinism which
is playing parts of the game which you aren't.
This is the higher definition of other determinism and as such is
EQUAL in level on the tone scale to full self determinism, because it
takes two to tango, you and the other.
You can't be SELF determined with out having some one or something
be OTHER determined. You can't have an OTHER determinism without being
SELF determined.
However as a being begins to fail in life and starts to make
mistakes and has regrets and wishings that 'it never happened', he will
begin to rue playing his own side of the game, and he will reject his
own self determinism.
This means he is in the market for someone else to play his side of
the game for him. He wants to BE DETERMINED by an OTHER determinism.
Only in this case the other determinism will not only be playing
the other side of the game, but his side too. This is a total flip from
pan determinism, where the being is playing both sides of the game,
because now the being is playing neither side of the game.
The way a being does this is by handing control of his side of the
game to an other determinism. He becomes a slave, or an addict to
orders, or a true believer and follower of a Great One, or whatever.
Control is not taken way, HE GIVES IT AWAY.
In the absence of an actual living being to hand over control to,
he will hand control over to a FACSIMILE that he has in his engram bank
of someone he knew in the past. This is called a valence.
Facsimiles are not single memory image pictures, they are complete
and vast collections of what the other person was like and would do in
any situation. Facsimiles are built up over thousands of years of being
with this person or people like him, and suffering what he has done to
you and recording how he reacted when you did things back, or when
others did things to him.
Facsimiles are enormous packages of data concerning another being
or thing.
Perhaps mother used to bitch about how it was father's fault every
time she made a mistake. Many years later the pc, finding herself
making many mistakes, one day gives up trying to fix the situation, and
starts to blame her boy friend.
That is called shifting valences, the girl is becoming her mother.
What she is really doing is handing CONTROL of her side of the game over
to an other determinism, namely the apparent or virtual other being
contained in the facsimile of her mother.
What the mother would do is BITCH. So that is what the facsimile
of the mother does THROUGH THE PC once the pc gives over control to it.
The pc says 'I AM YOURS, DO WITH ME WHAT YOU WILL' and the
facsimile runs the pc on a stimulus response basis from there on out.
This is the lower definition of other determinism, BEING CONTROLLED
BY ANOTHER or others, or allowing others to act for you or through you.
Ron VERY OFTEN talked about pcs who are so low toned they have
become other determined, meaning they are allowing valences to run them
and act for them, thus they dramatize and act out what others did to
them or around them in their past.
Pcs who are out of valence do not make case gain, because only the
valence gets any auditing, and the valence is on a make wrong. The
valence IS a solution to the pc's problems, so acts ITSELF as
competition to any cognition the pc might have on how to handle or as-is
the problem directly as herself. She is too busy BITCHING, to run the
process and have any cognitions. The prior solution crowds out the
auditing and any new solution that might appear.
Most old time auditors and clearing technicians instinctively use
the lower toned definition of the word other determinism whenever they
or someone mentions other determined. If you say, 'The pc was other
determined', they don't mean that he suddenly found some OPPOSITION and
fell down to self determinism and now has a real game to play.
They mean the pc gave up his self determinism and no longer wanted
a game to play, and INTENTIONALLY handed control OF HIMSELF over to an
other determinism.
Being other determined means letting someone else control you, NOT
having someone enter your pan determined game suddenly and unexpectedly
and 'other determine' you into a lower state of self determinism.
The two definitions are very similar to each other, the higher
definition is 'being OPPOSED by another', the lower definition is 'being
CONTROLLED by another'.
Ross contends that the Church intentionally put other determinism
(being opposed by another) higher on the scale of responsibility (which
is correct) knowing that people would confuse it with other determinism
(being CONTROLLED by another).
Their intention was to make their followers more pliable to taking
orders, being controlled and generally forbidden to be self determined,
since being other determined was 'higher' on the scale of responsibility
than being self determined.
The Church does frown on self determinism except when it doesn't
interfere with being other determined by them.
OT III is itself an incident of being overwhelmed that can only be
escaped by shifting out of valence INTO the valence of what overwhelmed
you and dramatizing overwhelming others into the same state.
That is why certain people are so obnoxious, they are always trying
to overwhelm you so that they don't feel so overwhelmed themselves.
They take on the valence of what is or was overwhelming them. so
they feel the power and freedom of DOING IT TO OTHERS, rather than the
overwhelm of having it done to them.
The only people who tolerate this kind of valence shifting behavior
in others are those who are guilty of it themselves.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Rogers. D.Scn. (The_Bindu@NOSPAMmsn.com) wrote:
>Valid philosophical point. I'd just mention: sure "logical behaviour" might
>be deemed best for "survival," but just look at that for a moment.
>"Survival?" There's obviously been an element of illogic inserted here in
>the first place, when an immortal being concerns himself with such a thing.
>So any mechanisms that go on top of that aren't likely to be logical either.
The decision of an eternal timeless being to create bodies and
survival in a space/time game stream is not illogical. It simply is a
creative decision.
The decision of the being to BE a body is also not illogical, it
is however a lie causing further persistence.
The decision that the best way to survive is to succumb or become
a freeloader and a bum is illogical. This forms a service fac.
The decision that 'time is precious and life is a waste of time'
is also illogical, what else are you going to do with time except
life?
>Me, I'd say the postulate, "There's a wall" creates an isness ("actuality").
>In the same vein, why not "All horses sleep in beds," for example?
It creates a reality.
No WALL is created, only a mockup of a wall.
Walls are made of brick.
Mockups are made of conscious picture.
It creates an actuality of a conscious picture of wall with the
illusion that it is out there. It isn't actually out there, there is
no actual out there for the wall to be.
There are 4 basic illusions.
1.) The illusion of separation and out thereness (space). There
is no distance, that is why the thetan can be certain of his own
conscious experiences even though they look like they have space in
them, certainty across an actual distance is impossible.
2.) The illusion of consequtive consideration (time)
3.) The illusion of causation between mockups. Mockups have no
cause except to be perceived. Any cause between them is assigned by
the thetan to give the apparency of cause between them.
4.) The illusion of many fabrics (aluminum, wood, water etc).
Everything is made of one thing, conscious picture form.
If you wish to assert that illusion has no meaning and that
illusion is in fact actuality, you are free to do so, but it only help
keep the alter-is and persistence in your world going.
Look its very simple, you go to a movie house and you watch a
movie. The movie is a hand crafted computer animation of a ball
dropped on a table. A *PICTURE* of a ball bounces off a *PICTURE* of
a table on the movie screen. Why does the ball not go through the
table? Certainly the picture of the table has no cause over the
picture of the ball. Asserting otherwise would be foolish.
Well same for dreamtime, its made of conscious pictures, 4D
space/time surround sound hologrphic projectoins in the mind of
trillions of little gods, me and the.
When a thetan assigns away cause, he doesn't actually lose cause
or give the cause to the table, things only begin to operate AS IF
the table as cause. Its a *VIRTUAL* reality. Go look it up.
Word clear it until you no longer have confusions between virtual reality
and actuality.
There are elements of the virtual reality that are actual, cause
between mockups is not one of them.
By recognizing this, the thetan can then start to duplicate his
assignment of cause and take it back. At which point he can start to
move otherwise solid things through each other again.
If space does not exist, nothing could create space, as there would be no space to create
it in.
A thetan could at best at best create pictures of space that look
like they have space but in fact don't.
In other words the mockup of space/time doesn't itself actually
take up any space or time.
Only INSIDE the mockup is there the APPARENCY of space/time.
Apparencies != Actuality.
Assertion that they do is enough alter-is to keep them going.
Homer
>Les.
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Rogers. D.Scn. (The_Bindu@NOSPAMmsn.com) wrote:
>Valid philosophical point. I'd just mention: sure "logical behaviour" might
>be deemed best for "survival," but just look at that for a moment.
>"Survival?" There's obviously been an element of illogic inserted here in
>the first place, when an immortal being concerns himself with such a thing.
>So any mechanisms that go on top of that aren't likely to be logical either.
The decision of an eternal timeless being to create bodies and
survival in a space/time game stream is not illogical. It simply is a
creative decision.
The decision of the being to BE a body is also not illogical, it
is however a lie causing further persistence.
The decision that the best way to survive is to succumb or become
a freeloader and a bum is illogical. This forms a service fac.
The decision that 'time is precious and life is a waste of time'
is also illogical, what else are you going to do with time except
life?
>Me, I'd say the postulate, "There's a wall" creates an isness ("actuality").
>In the same vein, why not "All horses sleep in beds," for example?
It creates a reality.
No WALL is created, only a mockup of a wall.
Walls are made of brick.
Mockups are made of conscious picture.
It creates an actuality of a conscious picture of wall with the
illusion that it is out there. It isn't actually out there, there is
no actual out there for the wall to be.
There are 4 basic illusions.
1.) The illusion of separation and out thereness (space). There
is no distance, that is why the thetan can be certain of his own
conscious experiences even though they look like they have space in
them, certainty across an actual distance is impossible.
2.) The illusion of consequtive consideration (time)
3.) The illusion of causation between mockups. Mockups have no
cause except to be perceived. Any cause between them is assigned by
the thetan to give the apparency of cause between them.
4.) The illusion of many fabrics (aluminum, wood, water etc).
Everything is made of one thing, conscious picture form.
If you wish to assert that illusion has no meaning and that
illusion is in fact actuality, you are free to do so, but it only help
keep the alter-is and persistence in your world going.
Look its very simple, you go to a movie house and you watch a
movie. The movie is a hand crafted computer animation of a ball
dropped on a table. A *PICTURE* of a ball bounces off a *PICTURE* of
a table on the movie screen. Why does the ball not go through the
table? Certainly the picture of the table has no cause over the
picture of the ball. Asserting otherwise would be foolish.
Well same for dreamtime, its made of conscious pictures, 4D
space/time surround sound hologrphic projectoins in the mind of
trillions of little gods, me and the.
When a thetan assigns away cause, he doesn't actually lose cause
or give the cause to the table, things only begin to operate AS IF
the table as cause. Its a *VIRTUAL* reality. Go look it up.
Word clear it until you no longer have confusions between virtual reality
and actuality.
There are elements of the virtual reality that are actual, cause
between mockups is not one of them.
By recognizing this, the thetan can then start to duplicate his
assignment of cause and take it back. At which point he can start to
move otherwise solid things through each other again.
If space does not exist, nothing could create space, as there would be no space to create
it in.
A thetan could at best at best create pictures of space that look
like they have space but in fact don't.
In other words the mockup of space/time doesn't itself actually
take up any space or time.
Only INSIDE the mockup is there the APPARENCY of space/time.
Apparencies != Actuality.
Assertion that they do is enough alter-is to keep them going.
Homer
>Les.
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THE FIVE POINTS OF CLEARING
Word Clear:
> Willingness
> Change
> Problem
> To serve
> Purpose
> To solve
> Help
> Creation
> Responsibility
The process:
1.) "Spot a condition."
2.) "Get the idea the condition might serve a purpose."
3.) "Get the idea YOU are trying to solve the condition."
NEVER EVER USE 'WHAT' questions on this process.
Don't even figure out what these conditions or purposes might be.
They will appear eventually on their own.
Never ask what is under the blackness, make the blackness until it
vanishes and what is under reappears.
On 1.)
You could use 'Tell me a condition', but some conditions are
ineffable, and some preclears hate talking.
The same goes for the other 2 commands.
On 2.)
It isn't necessary to FIND a purpose, but purposes should be
considered on all flows and all dynamics, both constructive and
destructive.
The end purpose of a disability or an unwanted condition might be
something on the order of trying to handle too much incoming
seriousness, overwhelming the triage decision process of the preclear's
mind try to deal with the incoming.
If one is too busy running around turning off the alarms going
off, one has no time to deal with why the alarms are sounding. The mind
stops cold and handles nothing in this case as the mind is too busy
dealing with the ALARMS rather than what the alarms indicate.
The being enters a state of "don't want to play this game anymore"
and now must suffer conditions to get others to agree that he CAN'T play
this game of overwhelming triage, and won't play becomes can't play for
real.
The computation as to why he can't play is the service fac Hubbard
talks about which holds back the 'confusion' which is simply too many
interrupts of seriousness coming in on him, so his triage and handle
process breaks down into exhaustion and can't move at all.
The preclear simply can't keep up with the need to help
and deal with seriousness, in himself and in others, and the conditions
form to make it OK and sensible to not worry about enough of them
so he can at least handle some of them.
Each dynamic will be found to be partitioned into untriagable
areas where he no longer needs to look or deal or even know about
the seriousness going on in them, they are no long part of his world,
no longer part of his dynamics.
He knows if he opens up those areas of harm and help again,
he won't be able to help who or what he can, and things will
get worse by admitting that they already ARE worse.
One must run the motivator side and the overt side, against others
and against self.
The motivator and overt must be run absolutely in balance, if you
do not run the motivator, you won't find the overt, and if you don't run
the overt, the motivator will never run out.
The motivator is as bad as the overt is as bad as the motivator is
bad as the overt.
Some conditions are incidental consequences and not directly
intended, but result from other things that are. Blocking out your
visual cortex will probably cause headaches :)
On 3.)
Lastly the preclear should consider not just what he IS doing to
solve the condition, but what he HAS tried to do and maybe WILL try to
do to solve the condition.
CAVEAT
Conditions are problems are conditions are problems.
Problems are what you want to change but can't, must change - can't
change, or must not change - can't stop from changing, all of which lead
to loss and seriousness of survival or survival potential of yourself or
your allies.
Conditions/problems can be used to solve prior conditions/problems.
People consider having a serious condition/problem to be a serious
disability because they "can't" solve them, thus they are using further
disabilities to 'solve' earlier disabilities.
They then make motions to solve the later disability, but the later
disability is a SOLUTION to an earlier disability, so their efforts to
get rid of the later disability will be alloyed with efforts to put it
there because it is useful to them to solve or allay or ameliorate the
earlier disability.
They have considered that having an ability can be a disability
because the ability brought regret through 'unintended' ruin and
disaster, thus they have sought to use their ability to create
disabilities to solve the problem of having an ability they no longer
want.
Once the preclear see this, the thing will to some extent start to
come apart on its own, because the preclear will no long be buying into
his own hype and hard sell on what a poor dear innocent victim he is.
This may come as quite a surprise to him because below oblivion he
has NO CLUE why he is suffering. It will however be a welcome surprise
as it opens the door to self reconciliation, humor, pride, trust and
confidence in his own responsibility again.
The source of all suffering is Artful Dodge. - Adore
Dealing by dodging dealing.
But the preclear will still have the brakes on getting better
because the original condition/problem/disaster was OUTRAGEOUS and your
preclear has some qualms, dread and trepidation about rage and fear of
knowing.
> What does the clearing of those particular words have to do with the
> command, "Spot a condition", et al?
The basic 5 are the basic 5 points of clearing, they are:
Change, problems, help, responsibility and creation.
The preclear has to be willing to change, particularly in time, to
unstick himself from the safe solution on the track that he is using to
keep himself down and come to present time where clear OTness is natural.
The preclear has adorned himself with and is WEARTING his most
detested incident as his present time becomingness, which includes
forever self torment.
The core computation is he CAN'T/WON'T take responsibility for
his mess.
M.E.S.S means magnificent examples of shames and shambles.
He has gone from pity -> accoutable -> shame -> blame -> regret,
his effort to turn back time fails, his sense of taking responsibility
for what 'went down', he says I will never recover from his, never live
it down, never be ABLE to be responsible for this, whatever, and he
sinks FOREVER down towards oblivion and below.
He has totally lost sight of eternal inspiration, agony and
amusement as the drive intelligence behind his ludicrous demise.
He finds that seriousness was a joke, but now he can't shake
off the seriousness of having fallen for seriousness when it
wasn't true.
His sense of seriousness comes from a sense that there is
something seriously unintelligent about this universe, its too stupid
to be worthwhile living let alone suffering.
"Wit is intelligence, Wit is laughter, Wit's End is the End
of Intelligent Laughter." - Adore
But he is afraid of his unhuman side, the side that chose
to become human.
Who are what would chose to become human?
He can't imagine and can't bring himself to want to be such a
thing, so he can't muster any resonsibility to put that choice there and
the descent into being human, and so he can't un put it there by letting
go.
He is terrified if he let's go of what he has already created he
will be free again to do something else untoward, like mock himself up
as a _______, whatever his most detested item or self image is, that he
must never ever be again no matter what, amen.
The preclear has to admit to problems and consider they are
solvable by PUTTING THEM THERE AGAIN and then letting go.
His primary mistake and cosmic buffoonery was to put theer,
that he couldn't put something there, and thus he got stuck with it
forever more.
He has to put there, that he can't put something there, and then
let go of that, if he wants to be recover being able to put anything
there and vanish it no matter who originally put it there or not.
He is trying to TAKE responsibility for something he considers
unconscionable, and he fails the take, from his own considerations that
no one should have, could have, would have put it there in the first
place, even if putting it there one more time again would get rid of it
forever.
Since no one is now creating it with knowing willing responsibility
and full awareness of the consequences, it will persist on its own
forever to the end of time.
The preclear has to understand help, in order to get any and give
any. Help isn't just saving someone from drowning, it is team action on
any dynamic to pull off a creation beyond one's own capability.
Responsibility for the condition, and thus being able and willing
to put it there, allows one to let go of it and unput it there, also to
appreciate the aesthetic and humor to the condition, which is WHY he put
it there in the first place.
The computation of a service fac is on the order of:
"The way to survive is to be a little bit deader..." or some such
thing. I do not have my wording or terminals yet, its a GPM issue.
"The source of all suffering is artful dodge, but it is all well
arted." - Adore
Remember a being waking up from Unexistence as a Spirit wakes up
into infinite wall to wall Criminality, his own and others.
Word clear criminality as morally bankrupt, and monstrosity and
abomination.
If adoration is willingness to operate, then abomination is what?
Better to go back to sleep, you see? :)
Creation is the top of the ladder, which is what it is all about.
The other words, solve, serve, and purpose are merely words in the
process.
Each item has its opposite dicom.
Find them and note them down.
One is stuck in the hugeness of the bad side, because one is
failing to admit to the hugeness of the good side.
That's in part why one runs infinite evil by running infinite
decency etc. As long as the evil is bigger than the decency, the
preclear will dig graves for himself to avoid it all.
> Did you get your E/P (reviv)?
Hell no, not yet, this is going to be a long run for me, as I am a
dead thetan from way back. It is running the entire bridge from Source
to Unexistence, which includes the entire OT band of personal creation
and disaster.
I am getting lots and lots of nasty but little revivs in my dreams,
but the main blocked perception remains.
Once the surface personablity is run off the case, petty human
likes and dislikes, the preclear finds himself sitting on a block
of concrete because he has forever Chernobled the core of his case.
The human case goes leaving the immortal case as bed rock,
and the immortal case is made of endless fear of not knowing and
fear of knowing, and forevers in time that no one could confront.
Better to have a mortal body and forget it all because the
jail sentence always ends.
People can't remember their past lives because they don't want
anyone else remembering THEM.
Most detested incident includes most detested terminals and
identities, the greatest regrets and collateral damage from overts, and
the most considerations about never *EVER* creating/destroying again.
Basic dicom on that is Danger/Safety.
At the top, Able = Safety and Unable = Danger.
Below Spirit of Play, this becomes reversed.
The computation is that Able = Danger and Unable = Safety.
This is the schmoo effect, he is trying to survive by not being
completely able to survive, have to have a serious handicap in order to
get the world to leave you alone. Or maybe even help once in a while.
How sick do you have to be before people will actually try to help
you get better? But get too much better and what do they do,
they try to make you sick!
So the saftey zone of ability is the schmoo zone, where you are not
so unable you can't survive at all, but not so able that you become a
danger to everyone else lest you DO something like change the world.
After creating too many disasters, accidentally and intentionally,
he gets into rue and resenting his abilities, and so he seeks safety by
becoming less and less able, rather than MORE able or back towards
native state.
By NOT putting it there, namely the disasters that were
'unintentionally' created, he gets stuck with them, and thus seeks to
hide from them by going lower into hysteria, shock, catatonia oblivion
... -> Unexistence.
The Divine Soul actually BELIEVES his own nightmares, its very sad
to see, to watch a soul looking forward to a future where the only
answer to not wanting to live is to do himself in forever for free.
It is all a pretense for show, but the consequences are deadly
serious as intended.
We are still running it an hour a day 6 days a week, and the
results are there, compared to ALL the other auditing *I* ever got, but
I am a well trained preclear and auditor, and S. and I have a good
understanding of each other and high agreement as to where we want to go
with it.
E/P would be no more unwanted conditions, except wanted unwanted
conditions.
A higher E/P would be recontacting the motivation and PURPOSE of
coming in, for that would put the preclear out before he came in, and he
could then come in while still alive under complete control, and
continue with his purpose that was originally intended, creating all the
handicaps he needs to get by but not forgetting who or what is doing
this to him, namely him and why. So the beauty would remain to his
movement through time, in time, powered by his core up in eternity.
That good enough for a bridge?
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THE FIVE POINTS OF CLEARING
Word Clear:
> Willingness
> Change
> Problem
> To serve
> Purpose
> To solve
> Help
> Creation
> Responsibility
The process:
1.) "Spot a condition."
2.) "Get the idea the condition might serve a purpose."
3.) "Get the idea YOU are trying to solve the condition."
NEVER EVER USE 'WHAT' questions on this process.
Don't even figure out what these conditions or purposes might be.
They will appear eventually on their own.
Never ask what is under the blackness, make the blackness until it
vanishes and what is under reappears.
On 1.)
You could use 'Tell me a condition', but some conditions are
ineffable, and some preclears hate talking.
The same goes for the other 2 commands.
On 2.)
It isn't necessary to FIND a purpose, but purposes should be
considered on all flows and all dynamics, both constructive and
destructive.
The end purpose of a disability or an unwanted condition might be
something on the order of trying to handle too much incoming
seriousness, overwhelming the triage decision process of the preclear's
mind try to deal with the incoming.
If one is too busy running around turning off the alarms going
off, one has no time to deal with why the alarms are sounding. The mind
stops cold and handles nothing in this case as the mind is too busy
dealing with the ALARMS rather than what the alarms indicate.
The being enters a state of "don't want to play this game anymore"
and now must suffer conditions to get others to agree that he CAN'T play
this game of overwhelming triage, and won't play becomes can't play for
real.
The computation as to why he can't play is the service fac Hubbard
talks about which holds back the 'confusion' which is simply too many
interrupts of seriousness coming in on him, so his triage and handle
process breaks down into exhaustion and can't move at all.
The preclear simply can't keep up with the need to help
and deal with seriousness, in himself and in others, and the conditions
form to make it OK and sensible to not worry about enough of them
so he can at least handle some of them.
Each dynamic will be found to be partitioned into untriagable
areas where he no longer needs to look or deal or even know about
the seriousness going on in them, they are no long part of his world,
no longer part of his dynamics.
He knows if he opens up those areas of harm and help again,
he won't be able to help who or what he can, and things will
get worse by admitting that they already ARE worse.
One must run the motivator side and the overt side, against others
and against self.
The motivator and overt must be run absolutely in balance, if you
do not run the motivator, you won't find the overt, and if you don't run
the overt, the motivator will never run out.
The motivator is as bad as the overt is as bad as the motivator is
bad as the overt.
Some conditions are incidental consequences and not directly
intended, but result from other things that are. Blocking out your
visual cortex will probably cause headaches :)
On 3.)
Lastly the preclear should consider not just what he IS doing to
solve the condition, but what he HAS tried to do and maybe WILL try to
do to solve the condition.
CAVEAT
Conditions are problems are conditions are problems.
Problems are what you want to change but can't, must change - can't
change, or must not change - can't stop from changing, all of which lead
to loss and seriousness of survival or survival potential of yourself or
your allies.
Conditions/problems can be used to solve prior conditions/problems.
People consider having a serious condition/problem to be a serious
disability because they "can't" solve them, thus they are using further
disabilities to 'solve' earlier disabilities.
They then make motions to solve the later disability, but the later
disability is a SOLUTION to an earlier disability, so their efforts to
get rid of the later disability will be alloyed with efforts to put it
there because it is useful to them to solve or allay or ameliorate the
earlier disability.
They have considered that having an ability can be a disability
because the ability brought regret through 'unintended' ruin and
disaster, thus they have sought to use their ability to create
disabilities to solve the problem of having an ability they no longer
want.
Once the preclear see this, the thing will to some extent start to
come apart on its own, because the preclear will no long be buying into
his own hype and hard sell on what a poor dear innocent victim he is.
This may come as quite a surprise to him because below oblivion he
has NO CLUE why he is suffering. It will however be a welcome surprise
as it opens the door to self reconciliation, humor, pride, trust and
confidence in his own responsibility again.
The source of all suffering is Artful Dodge. - Adore
Dealing by dodging dealing.
But the preclear will still have the brakes on getting better
because the original condition/problem/disaster was OUTRAGEOUS and your
preclear has some qualms, dread and trepidation about rage and fear of
knowing.
> What does the clearing of those particular words have to do with the
> command, "Spot a condition", et al?
The basic 5 are the basic 5 points of clearing, they are:
Change, problems, help, responsibility and creation.
The preclear has to be willing to change, particularly in time, to
unstick himself from the safe solution on the track that he is using to
keep himself down and come to present time where clear OTness is natural.
The preclear has adorned himself with and is WEARTING his most
detested incident as his present time becomingness, which includes
forever self torment.
The core computation is he CAN'T/WON'T take responsibility for
his mess.
M.E.S.S means magnificent examples of shames and shambles.
He has gone from pity -> accoutable -> shame -> blame -> regret,
his effort to turn back time fails, his sense of taking responsibility
for what 'went down', he says I will never recover from his, never live
it down, never be ABLE to be responsible for this, whatever, and he
sinks FOREVER down towards oblivion and below.
He has totally lost sight of eternal inspiration, agony and
amusement as the drive intelligence behind his ludicrous demise.
He finds that seriousness was a joke, but now he can't shake
off the seriousness of having fallen for seriousness when it
wasn't true.
His sense of seriousness comes from a sense that there is
something seriously unintelligent about this universe, its too stupid
to be worthwhile living let alone suffering.
"Wit is intelligence, Wit is laughter, Wit's End is the End
of Intelligent Laughter." - Adore
But he is afraid of his unhuman side, the side that chose
to become human.
Who are what would chose to become human?
He can't imagine and can't bring himself to want to be such a
thing, so he can't muster any resonsibility to put that choice there and
the descent into being human, and so he can't un put it there by letting
go.
He is terrified if he let's go of what he has already created he
will be free again to do something else untoward, like mock himself up
as a _______, whatever his most detested item or self image is, that he
must never ever be again no matter what, amen.
The preclear has to admit to problems and consider they are
solvable by PUTTING THEM THERE AGAIN and then letting go.
His primary mistake and cosmic buffoonery was to put theer,
that he couldn't put something there, and thus he got stuck with it
forever more.
He has to put there, that he can't put something there, and then
let go of that, if he wants to be recover being able to put anything
there and vanish it no matter who originally put it there or not.
He is trying to TAKE responsibility for something he considers
unconscionable, and he fails the take, from his own considerations that
no one should have, could have, would have put it there in the first
place, even if putting it there one more time again would get rid of it
forever.
Since no one is now creating it with knowing willing responsibility
and full awareness of the consequences, it will persist on its own
forever to the end of time.
The preclear has to understand help, in order to get any and give
any. Help isn't just saving someone from drowning, it is team action on
any dynamic to pull off a creation beyond one's own capability.
Responsibility for the condition, and thus being able and willing
to put it there, allows one to let go of it and unput it there, also to
appreciate the aesthetic and humor to the condition, which is WHY he put
it there in the first place.
The computation of a service fac is on the order of:
"The way to survive is to be a little bit deader..." or some such
thing. I do not have my wording or terminals yet, its a GPM issue.
"The source of all suffering is artful dodge, but it is all well
arted." - Adore
Remember a being waking up from Unexistence as a Spirit wakes up
into infinite wall to wall Criminality, his own and others.
Word clear criminality as morally bankrupt, and monstrosity and
abomination.
If adoration is willingness to operate, then abomination is what?
Better to go back to sleep, you see? :)
Creation is the top of the ladder, which is what it is all about.
The other words, solve, serve, and purpose are merely words in the
process.
Each item has its opposite dicom.
Find them and note them down.
One is stuck in the hugeness of the bad side, because one is
failing to admit to the hugeness of the good side.
That's in part why one runs infinite evil by running infinite
decency etc. As long as the evil is bigger than the decency, the
preclear will dig graves for himself to avoid it all.
> Did you get your E/P (reviv)?
Hell no, not yet, this is going to be a long run for me, as I am a
dead thetan from way back. It is running the entire bridge from Source
to Unexistence, which includes the entire OT band of personal creation
and disaster.
I am getting lots and lots of nasty but little revivs in my dreams,
but the main blocked perception remains.
Once the surface personablity is run off the case, petty human
likes and dislikes, the preclear finds himself sitting on a block
of concrete because he has forever Chernobled the core of his case.
The human case goes leaving the immortal case as bed rock,
and the immortal case is made of endless fear of not knowing and
fear of knowing, and forevers in time that no one could confront.
Better to have a mortal body and forget it all because the
jail sentence always ends.
People can't remember their past lives because they don't want
anyone else remembering THEM.
Most detested incident includes most detested terminals and
identities, the greatest regrets and collateral damage from overts, and
the most considerations about never *EVER* creating/destroying again.
Basic dicom on that is Danger/Safety.
At the top, Able = Safety and Unable = Danger.
Below Spirit of Play, this becomes reversed.
The computation is that Able = Danger and Unable = Safety.
This is the schmoo effect, he is trying to survive by not being
completely able to survive, have to have a serious handicap in order to
get the world to leave you alone. Or maybe even help once in a while.
How sick do you have to be before people will actually try to help
you get better? But get too much better and what do they do,
they try to make you sick!
So the saftey zone of ability is the schmoo zone, where you are not
so unable you can't survive at all, but not so able that you become a
danger to everyone else lest you DO something like change the world.
After creating too many disasters, accidentally and intentionally,
he gets into rue and resenting his abilities, and so he seeks safety by
becoming less and less able, rather than MORE able or back towards
native state.
By NOT putting it there, namely the disasters that were
'unintentionally' created, he gets stuck with them, and thus seeks to
hide from them by going lower into hysteria, shock, catatonia oblivion
... -> Unexistence.
The Divine Soul actually BELIEVES his own nightmares, its very sad
to see, to watch a soul looking forward to a future where the only
answer to not wanting to live is to do himself in forever for free.
It is all a pretense for show, but the consequences are deadly
serious as intended.
We are still running it an hour a day 6 days a week, and the
results are there, compared to ALL the other auditing *I* ever got, but
I am a well trained preclear and auditor, and S. and I have a good
understanding of each other and high agreement as to where we want to go
with it.
E/P would be no more unwanted conditions, except wanted unwanted
conditions.
A higher E/P would be recontacting the motivation and PURPOSE of
coming in, for that would put the preclear out before he came in, and he
could then come in while still alive under complete control, and
continue with his purpose that was originally intended, creating all the
handicaps he needs to get by but not forgetting who or what is doing
this to him, namely him and why. So the beauty would remain to his
movement through time, in time, powered by his core up in eternity.
That good enough for a bridge?
Homer
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FREESOLO (freesolo@freenet.de) wrote:
>Which of the people in the first paragraph is the "good guys" and
>which are the "bad" ones?
Good people are cooperative in their quest for survival, they
make honest agreements in good faith with each other to engage in
production and consumption and to maintain fair chosen exchange and
the balance of negotiated duties and rights.
Bad people are ex-cooperative in their quest for survival, they
make treasonous agreements in bad faith with each other to engage in
production and consumption but their inner intent is to rip off the
production of others so that they do not have to produce themselves.
This violates the tenet of FAIR CHOSEN exchange, and produces an
inbalance of duties and rights.
Adore says : "The last effort of a being trying to give is to
take", and this is why CRIMINALITY (which has nothing to do with
ILLEGALITY) is at the bottom of Hubbard's Awareness Characteristic
scale.
...erosion, dispersal, disassociation, criminiality, uncausing,
disconnection and unexistence.
>And why would YOU "divide people into two kinds" ?
Only for the purposes of rhetoric. In real life everyone is
somewhere on the gradient scale of Cooperation - Ex Cooperation.
When people begin to hallucinate evil into others, they will
preemptively act evil themselves against the perceived evil ones.
When scarcity of survival needs sets in, people are pressed into
an 'every man for himself' mode of operation, it is part of the animal
kingdom modus operandi.
Civilized spiritual man sees this kind of activity as evil, but
it is in fact natural and necessary for the survival of the species.
Evil people will act this way however even when not pressed by
survival scarcities, they dont want to work and want others to work
for them, even when abundance abounds.
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FREESOLO (freesolo@freenet.de) wrote:
>Which of the people in the first paragraph is the "good guys" and
>which are the "bad" ones?
Good people are cooperative in their quest for survival, they
make honest agreements in good faith with each other to engage in
production and consumption and to maintain fair chosen exchange and
the balance of negotiated duties and rights.
Bad people are ex-cooperative in their quest for survival, they
make treasonous agreements in bad faith with each other to engage in
production and consumption but their inner intent is to rip off the
production of others so that they do not have to produce themselves.
This violates the tenet of FAIR CHOSEN exchange, and produces an
inbalance of duties and rights.
Adore says : "The last effort of a being trying to give is to
take", and this is why CRIMINALITY (which has nothing to do with
ILLEGALITY) is at the bottom of Hubbard's Awareness Characteristic
scale.
...erosion, dispersal, disassociation, criminiality, uncausing,
disconnection and unexistence.
>And why would YOU "divide people into two kinds" ?
Only for the purposes of rhetoric. In real life everyone is
somewhere on the gradient scale of Cooperation - Ex Cooperation.
When people begin to hallucinate evil into others, they will
preemptively act evil themselves against the perceived evil ones.
When scarcity of survival needs sets in, people are pressed into
an 'every man for himself' mode of operation, it is part of the animal
kingdom modus operandi.
Civilized spiritual man sees this kind of activity as evil, but
it is in fact natural and necessary for the survival of the species.
Evil people will act this way however even when not pressed by
survival scarcities, they dont want to work and want others to work
for them, even when abundance abounds.
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THE GO OT NOW CLUB
jacksonmoore69@hotmail.com wrote:
>A question - (sincere, I know there is alot of sarcasm on this site) ,
>Do you spend alot of time cleaning up 'OTs' that have left the Cof S?
No, I do not audit others, except Jane.
>Is this a routine or general issue? As I have lost interest in going OT
>generally and feel it is better to just go OT in some other fashion ,
>or better still, not subjugate myself to the concept of OT (I am sure
>old time mystics wouldn't have obsessed over the idea)
Most people who desire to go OT have no clue what it is.
A being who is total cause over things will recreate himself as an
aberrated human being pretty quick, but a human being more tailored to
optimum survival in this day and age.
Imagine being able to adjust your percentage of wins compared to
losses from a creator point of view and then reenter the game as a
creature again with your new improved chances of winning the games you
choose.
The Creature can become the Creator to adjust his ability set as a
creature any time he wants to, if he dares.
Willingness to play is highly related to ability to play whether
you chose the game or not, or whether you know you chose or not.
Knowing you chose helps you play really hard games, but to have a
serious hard game you have to forget you chose and believe the
consequences are forever.
Confidence comes from ability to play, give the bastards a run for
their money that no one will ever forget.
The purpose of an unlimited being is to create and enjoy
limitations.
All postulates are postulates of limitation lower than Serenity of
Beingness on the tone scale. Thus one can not postulate that one is
serene. Serenity results from postulating nothing, ceasing to postulate
completely.
Remember the tone scale has two halves, the top half from
Sovereignty down to Amusement, and the second half from Serenity down to
death.
Gods operate out of Inspiration, Agony and Amusement and then settle
into Serenity on the verge of time to enjoy what happens next in time via
postulates and considerations.
Postulates and considerations are BELOW Serenity and set up the
flows, and universes for everything below that.
Everything below Serenity is CREATED, everything that is above
Serenity is Eternal.
Most who want to go OT, want super normal powers to protect their
fragile body or life. They are sub death, living out a solution to
prior regretted body deaths, and they want a better or more powerful
solution.
They want OT powers to make sure that 'Must never happen agains',
never happen again, or 'Must never NOT happen agains' never not happen
again. :)
Anyone stuck in, to or around a body is sub death, engaged in
failure, pity, shame, accountability, blame, regret, controlling,
protecting, owning, punishing, approval from, needing, worshipping,
sacrificing to, and/or hiding from bodies.
Actually those are the ones in good shape, the vast majority think
they ARE a body, BEING OBJECTS, or lower at the bottom of the scale.
OT's create problems, humans try to solve them and eventually fail,
in part because they first fail to take full responsibility for the
problem BEING THERE by PUTTING IT THERE and thus keeping a finger on the
original moment of time it was created in, and then second by using
DOING SOLUTIONS of force, mass, energy and not-isness to solve these
problems LATER IN TIME to the problem's original moment of creation.
The original intent of the OT is to create a game that would never
end. They know full well this is impossible, but the OT tries to design
a game that will extend the encompassing while that the game lives in
for as long as possible, and then PRETENDS even to himself that it is
FOREVER in time.
He who can create the marble, can move it.
To what end though?
OT powers flow effortlessly from OT motivations, but stick like
glue from human motivations.
So first seek the answer to what is an OT and what does it want,
and there you will find you ARE an OT with all the OT power you could
ever want.
Know by not knowing.
Going OT is mostly erasing being human and its motivations.
"Who or what would create a human?"
"Who or what would CHOOSE to become a human?"
EP is no longer human.
And forget the question asking, run instead
"Get the idea of creating yourself human."
First and foremost solve and reoptimize the sub death game of care
of the body, then of each of the other material dynamics which are just
bigger "bodies."
Taking care of things and being taken care of are major traps, not
that you shouldn't care or give a damn, but the care of the creator is
not the care of the creature and almighty divinity walks carefully as a
holy incarnation.
An OT is a CREATOR of games, not a game player.
Taking playing games seriously is a bitch.
Been there, done that, bought the tombstone.
Homer
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jacksonmoore69@hotmail.com wrote:
>A question - (sincere, I know there is alot of sarcasm on this site) ,
>Do you spend alot of time cleaning up 'OTs' that have left the Cof S?
No, I do not audit others, except Jane.
>Is this a routine or general issue? As I have lost interest in going OT
>generally and feel it is better to just go OT in some other fashion ,
>or better still, not subjugate myself to the concept of OT (I am sure
>old time mystics wouldn't have obsessed over the idea)
Most people who desire to go OT have no clue what it is.
A being who is total cause over things will recreate himself as an
aberrated human being pretty quick, but a human being more tailored to
optimum survival in this day and age.
Imagine being able to adjust your percentage of wins compared to
losses from a creator point of view and then reenter the game as a
creature again with your new improved chances of winning the games you
choose.
The Creature can become the Creator to adjust his ability set as a
creature any time he wants to, if he dares.
Willingness to play is highly related to ability to play whether
you chose the game or not, or whether you know you chose or not.
Knowing you chose helps you play really hard games, but to have a
serious hard game you have to forget you chose and believe the
consequences are forever.
Confidence comes from ability to play, give the bastards a run for
their money that no one will ever forget.
The purpose of an unlimited being is to create and enjoy
limitations.
All postulates are postulates of limitation lower than Serenity of
Beingness on the tone scale. Thus one can not postulate that one is
serene. Serenity results from postulating nothing, ceasing to postulate
completely.
Remember the tone scale has two halves, the top half from
Sovereignty down to Amusement, and the second half from Serenity down to
death.
Gods operate out of Inspiration, Agony and Amusement and then settle
into Serenity on the verge of time to enjoy what happens next in time via
postulates and considerations.
Postulates and considerations are BELOW Serenity and set up the
flows, and universes for everything below that.
Everything below Serenity is CREATED, everything that is above
Serenity is Eternal.
Most who want to go OT, want super normal powers to protect their
fragile body or life. They are sub death, living out a solution to
prior regretted body deaths, and they want a better or more powerful
solution.
They want OT powers to make sure that 'Must never happen agains',
never happen again, or 'Must never NOT happen agains' never not happen
again. :)
Anyone stuck in, to or around a body is sub death, engaged in
failure, pity, shame, accountability, blame, regret, controlling,
protecting, owning, punishing, approval from, needing, worshipping,
sacrificing to, and/or hiding from bodies.
Actually those are the ones in good shape, the vast majority think
they ARE a body, BEING OBJECTS, or lower at the bottom of the scale.
OT's create problems, humans try to solve them and eventually fail,
in part because they first fail to take full responsibility for the
problem BEING THERE by PUTTING IT THERE and thus keeping a finger on the
original moment of time it was created in, and then second by using
DOING SOLUTIONS of force, mass, energy and not-isness to solve these
problems LATER IN TIME to the problem's original moment of creation.
The original intent of the OT is to create a game that would never
end. They know full well this is impossible, but the OT tries to design
a game that will extend the encompassing while that the game lives in
for as long as possible, and then PRETENDS even to himself that it is
FOREVER in time.
He who can create the marble, can move it.
To what end though?
OT powers flow effortlessly from OT motivations, but stick like
glue from human motivations.
So first seek the answer to what is an OT and what does it want,
and there you will find you ARE an OT with all the OT power you could
ever want.
Know by not knowing.
Going OT is mostly erasing being human and its motivations.
"Who or what would create a human?"
"Who or what would CHOOSE to become a human?"
EP is no longer human.
And forget the question asking, run instead
"Get the idea of creating yourself human."
First and foremost solve and reoptimize the sub death game of care
of the body, then of each of the other material dynamics which are just
bigger "bodies."
Taking care of things and being taken care of are major traps, not
that you shouldn't care or give a damn, but the care of the creator is
not the care of the creature and almighty divinity walks carefully as a
holy incarnation.
An OT is a CREATOR of games, not a game player.
Taking playing games seriously is a bitch.
Been there, done that, bought the tombstone.
Homer
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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jacksonmoore69@hotmail.com wrote:
>A question - (sincere, I know there is alot of sarcasm on this site) ,
>Do you spend alot of time cleaning up 'OTs' that have left the Cof S?
No, I do not audit others, except Jane.
>Is this a routine or general issue? As I have lost interest in going OT
>generally and feel it is better to just go OT in some other fashion ,
>or better still, not subjugate myself to the concept of OT (I am sure
>old time mystics wouldn't have obsessed over the idea)
Most people who desire to go OT have no clue what it is.
A being who is total cause over things will recreate himself as an
aberrated human being pretty quick, but one more tailored to optimum
survival in this day and age.
The purpose of an unlimited being is to create and enjoy
limitations.
All postulates are postulates of limitation lower than Serenity of
Beingness on the tone scale. Thus one can not postulate that one is
serene. Serenity results from postulating nothing, ceasing to postulate
completely.
Remember the tone scale has two halves, the top half from
Sovereignty down to Amusement, and the second half from Serenity down to
death.
Postulates and considerations are BELOW Serenity and set up the
flows, and universes for everything below that.
Everything below Serenity is CREATED, everything that is above
Serenity is Eternal.
Most who want to go OT, want super normal powers to protect their
fragile body or life. They are sub death, living out a solution to
prior regretted body deaths, and they want a better or more powerful
solution.
They want OT powers to make sure that 'Must never happen agains',
never happen again, or 'Must never NOT happen agains' never not happen
again. :)
Anyone stuck in, to or around a body is sub death, engaged in
failure, pity, shame, accountability, blame, regret, controlling,
protecting, owning, punishing, approval from, needing, worshipping,
sacrificing to, and/or hiding from bodies.
Actually those are the ones in good shape, the vast majority think
they ARE a body, BEING OBJECTS, or lower at the bottom of the scale.
OT's create problems, humans try to solve them and eventually fail,
in part because they first fail to take full responsibility for the
problem BEING THERE by PUTTING IT THERE and thus keeping a finger on the
original moment of time it was created in, and then second by using
DOING SOLUTIONS of force, mass, energy and not-isness to solve these
problems LATER IN TIME to the problem's original moment of creation.
The original intent of the OT is to create a game that would never
end. They know full well this is impossible, but the OT tries to design
a game that will extend the encompassing while that the game lives in
for as long as possible, and then PRETENDS even to himself that it is
FOREVER in time.
He who can create the marble, can move it.
To what end though?
OT powers flow effortlessly from OT motivations, but stick like
glue from human motivations.
So first seek the answer to what is an OT and what does it want,
and there you will find you ARE an OT with all the OT power you could
ever want.
Know by not knowing.
Going OT is mostly erasing being human and its motivations.
"Who or what would create a human?"
"Who or what would CHOOSE to become a human?"
EP is no longer human.
And forget the question asking, run instead
"Get the idea of creating yourself human."
First and foremost solve and reoptimize the sub death game of care
of the body, then of each of the other material dynamics which are just
bigger "bodies."
Taking care of things and being taken care of are major traps, not
that you shouldn't care or give a damn, but the care of the creator is
not the care of the creature and almighty divinity walks carefully as a
holy incarnation.
An OT is a CREATOR of games, not a game player.
Taking playing games seriously is a bitch.
Been there, done that, bought the tombstone.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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jacksonmoore69@hotmail.com wrote:
>A question - (sincere, I know there is alot of sarcasm on this site) ,
>Do you spend alot of time cleaning up 'OTs' that have left the Cof S?
No, I do not audit others, except Jane.
>Is this a routine or general issue? As I have lost interest in going OT
>generally and feel it is better to just go OT in some other fashion ,
>or better still, not subjugate myself to the concept of OT (I am sure
>old time mystics wouldn't have obsessed over the idea)
Most people who desire to go OT have no clue what it is.
A being who is total cause over things will recreate himself as an
aberrated human being pretty quick, but one more tailored to optimum
survival in this day and age.
The purpose of an unlimited being is to create and enjoy
limitations.
All postulates are postulates of limitation lower than Serenity of
Beingness on the tone scale. Thus one can not postulate that one is
serene. Serenity results from postulating nothing, ceasing to postulate
completely.
Remember the tone scale has two halves, the top half from
Sovereignty down to Amusement, and the second half from Serenity down to
death.
Postulates and considerations are BELOW Serenity and set up the
flows, and universes for everything below that.
Everything below Serenity is CREATED, everything that is above
Serenity is Eternal.
Most who want to go OT, want super normal powers to protect their
fragile body or life. They are sub death, living out a solution to
prior regretted body deaths, and they want a better or more powerful
solution.
They want OT powers to make sure that 'Must never happen agains',
never happen again, or 'Must never NOT happen agains' never not happen
again. :)
Anyone stuck in, to or around a body is sub death, engaged in
failure, pity, shame, accountability, blame, regret, controlling,
protecting, owning, punishing, approval from, needing, worshipping,
sacrificing to, and/or hiding from bodies.
Actually those are the ones in good shape, the vast majority think
they ARE a body, BEING OBJECTS, or lower at the bottom of the scale.
OT's create problems, humans try to solve them and eventually fail,
in part because they first fail to take full responsibility for the
problem BEING THERE by PUTTING IT THERE and thus keeping a finger on the
original moment of time it was created in, and then second by using
DOING SOLUTIONS of force, mass, energy and not-isness to solve these
problems LATER IN TIME to the problem's original moment of creation.
The original intent of the OT is to create a game that would never
end. They know full well this is impossible, but the OT tries to design
a game that will extend the encompassing while that the game lives in
for as long as possible, and then PRETENDS even to himself that it is
FOREVER in time.
He who can create the marble, can move it.
To what end though?
OT powers flow effortlessly from OT motivations, but stick like
glue from human motivations.
So first seek the answer to what is an OT and what does it want,
and there you will find you ARE an OT with all the OT power you could
ever want.
Know by not knowing.
Going OT is mostly erasing being human and its motivations.
"Who or what would create a human?"
"Who or what would CHOOSE to become a human?"
EP is no longer human.
And forget the question asking, run instead
"Get the idea of creating yourself human."
First and foremost solve and reoptimize the sub death game of care
of the body, then of each of the other material dynamics which are just
bigger "bodies."
Taking care of things and being taken care of are major traps, not
that you shouldn't care or give a damn, but the care of the creator is
not the care of the creature and almighty divinity walks carefully as a
holy incarnation.
An OT is a CREATOR of games, not a game player.
Taking playing games seriously is a bitch.
Been there, done that, bought the tombstone.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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PROOF AGAIN
Richard Ford <doorman.ford@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Are you really saying that the Church could make all the critics
> dissapear and then become the worlds leading religion- simply by
> showing the world the first clear,
>
> - and yet they chose not to?
Don't know about becoming the worlds leading religion, but surely
the world's leading target.
The proper way to prove that you can improve a being is to do it to
them, not show off a product already done. No one wants to be shown
off, particularly clears and OT's.
If someone comes out claiming to be a showcase for someone who can
recognize the source of problems and make them vanish, the are sure to
attract crowds of people trying to be a problem to him to prove him
wrong.
So if you got it, and its fragile, don't flaunt it.
It doesn't take long to get a being up to 'Knows clearing is a good
thing and ought to be continued.'
From there on out, they keep coming back on their own, particularly
without the Church brainwashing, high prices, heavy ethics,
invalidation, evaluation, and disconnection etc.
That really is the only way to audit and be audited, in a free safe
space, free of control.
Anyhow when you demonstrate super human powers, particularly those
that could be a danger to those with withholds, you get 4 kinds of
responses.
1.) Those that wish to follow you and learn how to do it
themselves.
These are the ones you are talking about.
2.) Those that wish to follow you but NOT learn it themselves, they
just want you to take care of them, and they will become serious trouble
if you do not.
They do not yet have the understanding to confront their past.
3.) Those that will try to destroy you because you present a danger
to them being able to read their minds or do things they can't do. Many
of the more insane will consider your gifts come from the Devil.
4.) Those that want to own you as a weapon of war for their own
ends. These are the most scary as they know the abilities exist, and
they will go after your friends and pets if you don't obey their will.
Nah, safer to be a drunk in the street, or at least pretend to be,
and clear on side in the hush and hush.
It's called staying Fabian.
Not everyone can go clear that easily, regardless of what Hubbard
says, it takes ENORMOUS guts. Far easier to find someone who is OT and
get them to take care of you.
As Leonard Cohen said "Only drowning men could see Him", refering
to Jesus, and just so it goes. Those that are not drowning in life, and
not in dire need of going clear, will more than likely have a negative
reaction to it.
People don't like to admit they were Gods that came to think they
were pigs, wrong in other words, until they are forced to eat their
shame and chagrin in the matter.
Hubbard talks about the wall of fire, he never mentions the wall of
shame. Actually not true, just not so public about it.
People are ready for the personal investment in being clear and OT
again when they would rather die than continue as they have been.
It isn't easy admitting you are God in carnation and those that try
to prove that they might be, just scare the hell out of other people.
For example if I could move a marble with my mind, I would actually
want to lose the ability quickly, lest I get recruited or crucified.
And if anyone demonstrated to ME that they could move the marble, I
would shit in my pants and get very scared, and probably very unstable
for a long time.
Even proving that prenatals are dead accurate would be a serious
error, because so many people don't want prenatals known.
For example, mother was fucking the Mafia Boss who couldn't help
blabbing while screwing...
But really the journey is a spiritual issue.
People have become meatballs because of detested immortalities.
On the other side of mortality is hell forever awaiting those that
wake up.
The hell forevers aren't really forever, but the being sure thought
so when he ducked his head in a body.
On OT III beings were waiting in line to be canned, "Can ME! ME
FIRST!"
They were fighting over each other to get into the compactor
because of the restim of the earlier detested immortality.
"Please I just want to die! Oh its only the apparency of dying,
then I have to do it again and again? That works, take me now! ..."
That is why exteriorization is so traumatic, REAL exteriorization,
not just bigger than the body, but out of the body, out of the universe,
it's because he is facing his detested immortalities again. Most people
when they die try to duck back into another body so fast they don't have
the chance to sizzle.
The apparency of mortality was invented to handle the apparencies
of hells forever.
On the other side of hell forever is God awful beauty and power and
willingness to engage in the greatest of deceits on oneself.
It's fear and danger all the way up the bridge to total peace.
Worst that can happen is the person gets knocked back down again,
and it is so warm and safe in the mud where he can't remember
where he is and why he is there.
So proof is available that each step of the way OT power is there
to be had. You just gotta do it.
Really if you just spent some time piecing together what your past
zillion years might have been like, ASSUMING YOU WERE IMMORTAL, you will
quickly get a feeling for the beauty and savagery of your past
experience that ended you up a meatball.
Remember mortality is a state of decay from immortality in time,
and immortality is a state of decay from eternality above space and
time.
The top level decays were fair chosen, dives, if you will, into the
abyss of experience.
Even auditing the beginning steps of ARC Straightwire and the Self
Analysis books, you will probably get glimpses of the immortalities that
were and are to come.
At that point you don't need proof, you will just keep walking in
the right direction until you get where you want to be again.
And when you get there, YOU will have not the slightest desire to
be shown off as a product.
Because the issue really is not whether scientology or clearing or
dianetics work, but whether these states exist or not, and whether you
have attained them.
You wouldn't want to be shown off no matter HOW you got there.
Homer
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Richard Ford <doorman.ford@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Are you really saying that the Church could make all the critics
> dissapear and then become the worlds leading religion- simply by
> showing the world the first clear,
>
> - and yet they chose not to?
Don't know about becoming the worlds leading religion, but surely
the world's leading target.
The proper way to prove that you can improve a being is to do it to
them, not show off a product already done. No one wants to be shown
off, particularly clears and OT's.
If someone comes out claiming to be a showcase for someone who can
recognize the source of problems and make them vanish, the are sure to
attract crowds of people trying to be a problem to him to prove him
wrong.
So if you got it, and its fragile, don't flaunt it.
It doesn't take long to get a being up to 'Knows clearing is a good
thing and ought to be continued.'
From there on out, they keep coming back on their own, particularly
without the Church brainwashing, high prices, heavy ethics,
invalidation, evaluation, and disconnection etc.
That really is the only way to audit and be audited, in a free safe
space, free of control.
Anyhow when you demonstrate super human powers, particularly those
that could be a danger to those with withholds, you get 4 kinds of
responses.
1.) Those that wish to follow you and learn how to do it
themselves.
These are the ones you are talking about.
2.) Those that wish to follow you but NOT learn it themselves, they
just want you to take care of them, and they will become serious trouble
if you do not.
They do not yet have the understanding to confront their past.
3.) Those that will try to destroy you because you present a danger
to them being able to read their minds or do things they can't do. Many
of the more insane will consider your gifts come from the Devil.
4.) Those that want to own you as a weapon of war for their own
ends. These are the most scary as they know the abilities exist, and
they will go after your friends and pets if you don't obey their will.
Nah, safer to be a drunk in the street, or at least pretend to be,
and clear on side in the hush and hush.
It's called staying Fabian.
Not everyone can go clear that easily, regardless of what Hubbard
says, it takes ENORMOUS guts. Far easier to find someone who is OT and
get them to take care of you.
As Leonard Cohen said "Only drowning men could see Him", refering
to Jesus, and just so it goes. Those that are not drowning in life, and
not in dire need of going clear, will more than likely have a negative
reaction to it.
People don't like to admit they were Gods that came to think they
were pigs, wrong in other words, until they are forced to eat their
shame and chagrin in the matter.
Hubbard talks about the wall of fire, he never mentions the wall of
shame. Actually not true, just not so public about it.
People are ready for the personal investment in being clear and OT
again when they would rather die than continue as they have been.
It isn't easy admitting you are God in carnation and those that try
to prove that they might be, just scare the hell out of other people.
For example if I could move a marble with my mind, I would actually
want to lose the ability quickly, lest I get recruited or crucified.
And if anyone demonstrated to ME that they could move the marble, I
would shit in my pants and get very scared, and probably very unstable
for a long time.
Even proving that prenatals are dead accurate would be a serious
error, because so many people don't want prenatals known.
For example, mother was fucking the Mafia Boss who couldn't help
blabbing while screwing...
But really the journey is a spiritual issue.
People have become meatballs because of detested immortalities.
On the other side of mortality is hell forever awaiting those that
wake up.
The hell forevers aren't really forever, but the being sure thought
so when he ducked his head in a body.
On OT III beings were waiting in line to be canned, "Can ME! ME
FIRST!"
They were fighting over each other to get into the compactor
because of the restim of the earlier detested immortality.
"Please I just want to die! Oh its only the apparency of dying,
then I have to do it again and again? That works, take me now! ..."
That is why exteriorization is so traumatic, REAL exteriorization,
not just bigger than the body, but out of the body, out of the universe,
it's because he is facing his detested immortalities again. Most people
when they die try to duck back into another body so fast they don't have
the chance to sizzle.
The apparency of mortality was invented to handle the apparencies
of hells forever.
On the other side of hell forever is God awful beauty and power and
willingness to engage in the greatest of deceits on oneself.
It's fear and danger all the way up the bridge to total peace.
Worst that can happen is the person gets knocked back down again,
and it is so warm and safe in the mud where he can't remember
where he is and why he is there.
So proof is available that each step of the way OT power is there
to be had. You just gotta do it.
Really if you just spent some time piecing together what your past
zillion years might have been like, ASSUMING YOU WERE IMMORTAL, you will
quickly get a feeling for the beauty and savagery of your past
experience that ended you up a meatball.
Remember mortality is a state of decay from immortality in time,
and immortality is a state of decay from eternality above space and
time.
The top level decays were fair chosen, dives, if you will, into the
abyss of experience.
Even auditing the beginning steps of ARC Straightwire and the Self
Analysis books, you will probably get glimpses of the immortalities that
were and are to come.
At that point you don't need proof, you will just keep walking in
the right direction until you get where you want to be again.
And when you get there, YOU will have not the slightest desire to
be shown off as a product.
Because the issue really is not whether scientology or clearing or
dianetics work, but whether these states exist or not, and whether you
have attained them.
You wouldn't want to be shown off no matter HOW you got there.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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