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THE DUAL GOVERNMENT
The government has a litle black book entitled
THE AGENDA OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT
It is divided into two sections, one public and the other private.
SECTION ONE: UNCLASSIFIED SECTION TWO: CLASSIFIED
TO HELP PEOPLE BY MAKING THEM ALL ONE
PEACE AND SECURITY THROUGH SILENCE AND COMPLIANCE
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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TRANSPARENCY AND PRIVACY
Either the government provides transparency for itself and privacy for
the people, or the people WILL provide it for them.
Allowing a government to claim total privacy from the people, and
total transparency of the people will create a one world totalitarianism
like has never been seen before on Earth.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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the people, or the people WILL provide it for them.
Allowing a government to claim total privacy from the people, and
total transparency of the people will create a one world totalitarianism
like has never been seen before on Earth.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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ADORE289 (fwd)
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OT MOTIVATION AND HUMAN MOTIVATION
rolandberry@hotmail.com wrote:
>Now, if you could use OT powers to kill that nutcase in charge of North
>Korea.....
Lot's are trying, right or wrong.
The issue falls out in complete gory detail on the murder
rundown, and one sees quickly why one doesn't have OT powers, and
doesn't want them. Using an OT power to protect a human body or win a
game leads to regret.
Using an OT power to optimize a game so it can play longer works
well.
The issue is motivation.
The motivation of an OT is not the motivation of a human being.
The OT is creating tapestries of conflict, good and evil, i.e.
games, the human being in the conflict is trying to win the game.
The OT wants to PLAY, doesn't matter what side.
The human being wants to WIN, doesn't matter what side.
The OT wants to move the mountain in order to put it in a better
place for game play, the human wants to move the mountain in order to
crush his enemies.
Two totally different motivations, the OT is CREATING enemies and
friends, the human is FIGHTING enemies, the human would/should/could
never create enemies etc.
Good would never create evil to fight. An OT would.
So here's is the most fundamental truth about OT powers, there is
no inability only superior unwillingness.
All cant's are ultimately wont's born of incorrect motivations.
OT power flows freely and without restraint from OT motivations,
it won't flow at all from human motivations.
OT power flows for the Author, but not the Character.
The way to become the Author is to BE the Author becoming the
Character. Practicing coming in puts you out.
It is merely a matter of changing your motivation from game
creator to game player.
If you can put the playing field in place, you can move the
marble.
But the Author isn't into demonstrating Author powers to
Characters, the whole idea is absurd. Unless the author wants to
interfere in the game.
Sometimes characters get powers, but not for long. but they use
them for human ends, and that is just more drama, as ANY ability leads
to the overt/restraint/justification cycle if engaged in too
seriously.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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OT MOTIVATION AND HUMAN MOTIVATION
rolandberry@hotmail.com wrote:
>Now, if you could use OT powers to kill that nutcase in charge of North
>Korea.....
Lot's are trying, right or wrong.
The issue falls out in complete gory detail on the murder
rundown, and one sees quickly why one doesn't have OT powers, and
doesn't want them. Using an OT power to protect a human body or win a
game leads to regret.
Using an OT power to optimize a game so it can play longer works
well.
The issue is motivation.
The motivation of an OT is not the motivation of a human being.
The OT is creating tapestries of conflict, good and evil, i.e.
games, the human being in the conflict is trying to win the game.
The OT wants to PLAY, doesn't matter what side.
The human being wants to WIN, doesn't matter what side.
The OT wants to move the mountain in order to put it in a better
place for game play, the human wants to move the mountain in order to
crush his enemies.
Two totally different motivations, the OT is CREATING enemies and
friends, the human is FIGHTING enemies, the human would/should/could
never create enemies etc.
Good would never create evil to fight. An OT would.
So here's is the most fundamental truth about OT powers, there is
no inability only superior unwillingness.
All cant's are ultimately wont's born of incorrect motivations.
OT power flows freely and without restraint from OT motivations,
it won't flow at all from human motivations.
OT power flows for the Author, but not the Character.
The way to become the Author is to BE the Author becoming the
Character. Practicing coming in puts you out.
It is merely a matter of changing your motivation from game
creator to game player.
If you can put the playing field in place, you can move the
marble.
But the Author isn't into demonstrating Author powers to
Characters, the whole idea is absurd. Unless the author wants to
interfere in the game.
Sometimes characters get powers, but not for long. but they use
them for human ends, and that is just more drama, as ANY ability leads
to the overt/restraint/justification cycle if engaged in too
seriously.
Homer
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FREEDOMS
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It is better to lose your freedoms painlessly, than to
keep your freedoms painfully.
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FREEDOMS
It is better to lose your freedoms painlessly, than to
keep your freedoms painfully.
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ADORE224 (fwd)
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WILLINGLY BLIND
I have shown the proof to a number of people, and tried to show it
to many more.
The issues stated below are valid even today. But there are
differences amongst people.
I have one newer friend, an advanced scientific mind in mathematics
and physics and he 'got it' very fast and cleanly. He, like myself,
finds the idea that we chose to forget while coming into this life to be
astounding but even he can wrap his wits around it and work with it to
find an approach to undoing the choice to forget if its there.
I have an older friend, with a much huger mind, who understands
the proof but can't get past the idea that he might be a wrong robot,
one who is programmed to SAY he is certain of something or another, but
is wrong anyhow. So he is certain he can't be certain of anything,
and he doubts even that! Even he can see the self referencing,
self denying logic loop in that statement "I doubt that I doubt",
he just says well, I could still be a wrong robot etc, so how can
I trust anything I say? He trusts his doubt more than his
certainty that he doubts!
He sees that he sees but doesn't see that he sees for SURE.
He once told me that he didn't WANT to be certain of anything
because it was too scary.
Then I have another friend who through many years has come to
understand the proof and see it is true, hundreds of hours of work.
Then I have other friends who understand it but deny it.
Then others who can't understand it at all.
So it goes.
Basically 'out thereness' is an illusion in a zero dimensional
consciousness. The illusion gives us a game to play in space and time
which don't exist beyond the TV monitor picture of it in our minds. The
universe is a multi player virtual reality game.
Huggie below likes to argue about what he doesn't understand, but
won't admit WHAT he doesn't understand, he just can't give it back to me
in his own words, so its kind of useless.
Homer
huggieoh (huggieoh@clear.net.nz) wrote:
>My, My, do I sense MWs beyond that bad language; but Homer deserves Browie
>points for at least answering like a good PC. And I do have a better
>understand now but a long way to go to agreement.
> BTW. I have been CERTAIN of my immortality since age 12 but I am pretty
>sure that to regard the PU as dreamstuff is a banana skin south!
Pretty sure, based on what evidence?
All you have ever seen is your conscious picture of the PU, and
symbols do not prove referent.
Now Huggie, you have disparaged my integrity.
You have actually blamed me for something that comes from your own
failing, namely a failing to understand what I have said.
I DARE YOU to post ONE QUESTION that I have avoided answering
because I *COULDN'T*.
Questions based on your MU's are not answerable.
You also show a CLEAR pattern of reading scattered articles that I
write, and even those not carefully, and thus miss the answers to most
of your questions already posted.
You also read what I write with the prejudiced opinion that my
ideas are probably nuts in the first place, and therefore do not give
them serious attention that they require and deserve.
"At first they said it wasn't true.
Then they said it was true but unimportant.
Then they said it was true and important but they had
known it all along." - Idiot Galore.
Just because you SEE the apprency of space, doesn't mean there IS
space.
Insanity is assigning a quality of the symbol to a quality of the
referent just and only because its a quality of the symbol.
The conscious universe exists, but has no dimension.
PU does not exist except as delusory consideration overlaid on top
of experiences in the conscious universe.
>As to my misunderstanding him, LRH said the originator is responsible for
>making his comm. duplicable and easily understood.
Yes, and I try. But beings who are no longer lucid in the dream
have a few trillion megatons of force in the face fusing symbols and
referent, so they assign the actuality of the dream picture to the
alleged PU referent out there.
In talking to them, I find they continuously confuse symbols with
referent and are generally incapable of tracking with the words I am
offering.
They also have a criminal intent to not know that the world is a
dream, lest they wake up from it, and thus although I am responsible for
any undertaking I might take on, some people are better left asleep.
The proof is not something new, it is something people used to know
and they maintained their sovereignty with it. They help their position
space with it, because THERE WAS NO SPACE and they knew it, except in
virtual reality.
Once they lost the proof, they flipped *PERMANENTLY* from
Orientation Point to Symbol, and thus lost their sovereignty, power, and
*CERTAINTY* of Immutability (Immortality).
Thus if they no longer know it, can not repeat back in their own
words with complete understanding, it is only because they CHOSE to not
know it.
My attempt to show the proof here on this list is a first, probably
almost impossible except for those who already have it, even if only
instinctively.
Mostly I am posting for posterity sake, not with any real hope of
getting it across.
In person, I can walk a willing client through the proof in a
couple of days, I have done it in 5 minutes with one. But for the more
confused it takes clay table and more clay table, and then auditing out
centuries of false certainties, until they get lucid enough to even see
their own agency let alone reach a perfect certainty on anything.
Most people aren't even perfectly sure they exist!
Then there is the willing factor, most are not yet ready to take
responsibility for Behemoth, or look into the eye of the dragon.
"Only he who made it can approach unto it." - Bible
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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WILLINGLY BLIND
I have shown the proof to a number of people, and tried to show it
to many more.
The issues stated below are valid even today. But there are
differences amongst people.
I have one newer friend, an advanced scientific mind in mathematics
and physics and he 'got it' very fast and cleanly. He, like myself,
finds the idea that we chose to forget while coming into this life to be
astounding but even he can wrap his wits around it and work with it to
find an approach to undoing the choice to forget if its there.
I have an older friend, with a much huger mind, who understands
the proof but can't get past the idea that he might be a wrong robot,
one who is programmed to SAY he is certain of something or another, but
is wrong anyhow. So he is certain he can't be certain of anything,
and he doubts even that! Even he can see the self referencing,
self denying logic loop in that statement "I doubt that I doubt",
he just says well, I could still be a wrong robot etc, so how can
I trust anything I say? He trusts his doubt more than his
certainty that he doubts!
He sees that he sees but doesn't see that he sees for SURE.
He once told me that he didn't WANT to be certain of anything
because it was too scary.
Then I have another friend who through many years has come to
understand the proof and see it is true, hundreds of hours of work.
Then I have other friends who understand it but deny it.
Then others who can't understand it at all.
So it goes.
Basically 'out thereness' is an illusion in a zero dimensional
consciousness. The illusion gives us a game to play in space and time
which don't exist beyond the TV monitor picture of it in our minds. The
universe is a multi player virtual reality game.
Huggie below likes to argue about what he doesn't understand, but
won't admit WHAT he doesn't understand, he just can't give it back to me
in his own words, so its kind of useless.
Homer
huggieoh (huggieoh@clear.net.nz) wrote:
>My, My, do I sense MWs beyond that bad language; but Homer deserves Browie
>points for at least answering like a good PC. And I do have a better
>understand now but a long way to go to agreement.
> BTW. I have been CERTAIN of my immortality since age 12 but I am pretty
>sure that to regard the PU as dreamstuff is a banana skin south!
Pretty sure, based on what evidence?
All you have ever seen is your conscious picture of the PU, and
symbols do not prove referent.
Now Huggie, you have disparaged my integrity.
You have actually blamed me for something that comes from your own
failing, namely a failing to understand what I have said.
I DARE YOU to post ONE QUESTION that I have avoided answering
because I *COULDN'T*.
Questions based on your MU's are not answerable.
You also show a CLEAR pattern of reading scattered articles that I
write, and even those not carefully, and thus miss the answers to most
of your questions already posted.
You also read what I write with the prejudiced opinion that my
ideas are probably nuts in the first place, and therefore do not give
them serious attention that they require and deserve.
"At first they said it wasn't true.
Then they said it was true but unimportant.
Then they said it was true and important but they had
known it all along." - Idiot Galore.
Just because you SEE the apprency of space, doesn't mean there IS
space.
Insanity is assigning a quality of the symbol to a quality of the
referent just and only because its a quality of the symbol.
The conscious universe exists, but has no dimension.
PU does not exist except as delusory consideration overlaid on top
of experiences in the conscious universe.
>As to my misunderstanding him, LRH said the originator is responsible for
>making his comm. duplicable and easily understood.
Yes, and I try. But beings who are no longer lucid in the dream
have a few trillion megatons of force in the face fusing symbols and
referent, so they assign the actuality of the dream picture to the
alleged PU referent out there.
In talking to them, I find they continuously confuse symbols with
referent and are generally incapable of tracking with the words I am
offering.
They also have a criminal intent to not know that the world is a
dream, lest they wake up from it, and thus although I am responsible for
any undertaking I might take on, some people are better left asleep.
The proof is not something new, it is something people used to know
and they maintained their sovereignty with it. They help their position
space with it, because THERE WAS NO SPACE and they knew it, except in
virtual reality.
Once they lost the proof, they flipped *PERMANENTLY* from
Orientation Point to Symbol, and thus lost their sovereignty, power, and
*CERTAINTY* of Immutability (Immortality).
Thus if they no longer know it, can not repeat back in their own
words with complete understanding, it is only because they CHOSE to not
know it.
My attempt to show the proof here on this list is a first, probably
almost impossible except for those who already have it, even if only
instinctively.
Mostly I am posting for posterity sake, not with any real hope of
getting it across.
In person, I can walk a willing client through the proof in a
couple of days, I have done it in 5 minutes with one. But for the more
confused it takes clay table and more clay table, and then auditing out
centuries of false certainties, until they get lucid enough to even see
their own agency let alone reach a perfect certainty on anything.
Most people aren't even perfectly sure they exist!
Then there is the willing factor, most are not yet ready to take
responsibility for Behemoth, or look into the eye of the dragon.
"Only he who made it can approach unto it." - Bible
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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adore491.memo (fwd)
LESSONS TO UNLEARN
Homer Wilson Smith (homer@lightlink.com) wrote:
> 'Lessons to learn" actually = 'lessons to unlearn'
I keep thinking about this because I am in the middle of solving
the Big One on my own case.
It is just AMAZING getting one's mockups back, I mean where does
all this stuff come from?!
So is it learn or unlearn?
Hubbard said postulate OFF was E/P of R3R, so that would be
unlearn. One doesn't learn a lesson from running the incidents, one
unlearns all the lessons one used to solve and hold in place the
confusion etc.
Clearly all service facs need to be unlearned.
Learning to never learn another lesson is also just more learning,
so eventually one can be free about learning and unlearning, but learning
sinks one with mass and rememberance, persistence etc.
Run,
"Spot some precious knowledge"
"Spot some unprecious knowledge"
What's the E/P?
So I am still betting that the final cog will be an unlearning
and not know.
"In the proud space and time of not know, one can know at will,
This is most amazing. Power at this level is unimaginable (sic)."
-Adore
But all knowing creates a limitation not an unlimitation, thus in
the end knowing is limiting.
We are not talking about the physical universe which is a game of
knowing that is 180 out of phase with the truth of the thetan and native
state.
The PROBLEM is that the thetan considers himself part of
the PU, and then tries to act like it, thus get gets more solid with
flinch and must never happen agains etc.
Homer
> Homer
>>Spiritual masters who have no more karma to work off, do have
>>a choice.
>>Heidrun Beer
>>Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
>>http://www.sgmt.at
>--
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>Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink
>(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
>homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
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homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Homer Wilson Smith (homer@lightlink.com) wrote:
> 'Lessons to learn" actually = 'lessons to unlearn'
I keep thinking about this because I am in the middle of solving
the Big One on my own case.
It is just AMAZING getting one's mockups back, I mean where does
all this stuff come from?!
So is it learn or unlearn?
Hubbard said postulate OFF was E/P of R3R, so that would be
unlearn. One doesn't learn a lesson from running the incidents, one
unlearns all the lessons one used to solve and hold in place the
confusion etc.
Clearly all service facs need to be unlearned.
Learning to never learn another lesson is also just more learning,
so eventually one can be free about learning and unlearning, but learning
sinks one with mass and rememberance, persistence etc.
Run,
"Spot some precious knowledge"
"Spot some unprecious knowledge"
What's the E/P?
So I am still betting that the final cog will be an unlearning
and not know.
"In the proud space and time of not know, one can know at will,
This is most amazing. Power at this level is unimaginable (sic)."
-Adore
But all knowing creates a limitation not an unlimitation, thus in
the end knowing is limiting.
We are not talking about the physical universe which is a game of
knowing that is 180 out of phase with the truth of the thetan and native
state.
The PROBLEM is that the thetan considers himself part of
the PU, and then tries to act like it, thus get gets more solid with
flinch and must never happen agains etc.
Homer
> Homer
>>Spiritual masters who have no more karma to work off, do have
>>a choice.
>>Heidrun Beer
>>Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
>>http://www.sgmt.at
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink
>(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
>homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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WISE GUYS
muldoon (brian9511@dslextreme.com) wrote:
>Is the one way "Dwindling spiral" to the pit, zillions of creepy
>crawlers as a "present time problem," and endless-think-think
>introspection about these things (as opposed to living), and obsession
>with e-meters:
There is knowing how to know answers to questions, and there are
answers thus found out or come to be known.
The first is Scientology technology, and the second are the results
of applicaiton of that technology.
Dwindling spiral is answer known, not part of Hubbard's case but
everyone's case. It comes from the tendency of a thetan to want
persistence, thus accumulating mass that never as-ises, the thetan gets
heavier and heavier and less able to operate. This is by intent.
Primary mechanism is reversal of time events in the DED/DEDEX
sequence. Pc does something, regrets it, finds a justifier AFTER the
fact and uses the justifier to BOTH restrain AND justify doing again the
same overt act. RESTRAINT AND JUSTIFICATION (leading to REPETITION of
the act) is a common AND on a case that needs to be audited out.
AND's audit where OR's don't. because insanity audits where
sensibility won't.
Zillions of creepy crawlers are again a direct perception of those
that can see other's directly without using or needing a body to see
with or to be seen with.
Again this is in the category of answer known for those who can
know it.
Any alcholic suffering withdraw will tell you about bugs running
through his body. Those are after death engrams coming to the surface
for duration of the withdrawal. Once one starts to go clear revivs, as
they are called, become common during sessions and during dreams the
next night.
Introspection is a Scientology thing, a level of the awareness
characteristic scale. Those above introspection do not introspect so
much, nor do those well below it. The enforced extroversion of the
fixidity case is hardly sane.
E-meters are the most amazing invention since fire. E-meters in
fact allow Scientology to be approached with some level of MESTY
precision and science.
That's in the answer known department too.
Most people have no clue how to use an E-meter, what to look for,
why they read, or what to do about reads.
People who have a problem with E-meters have had withholds
incorrectly indicated to them using one, and or existing withholds
missed.
E-meters to a withholdy preclear are like tribbles to a Klingon.
But e-meters in the hands of a withholdy pc are hell on earth.
>3) Part of Hubbard's "grim joke" on his followers - used as a
>distraction and as "glue," as he did what he actually wanted to do,
>which was collect blackmail, money and power, and, ultimately, build
>monuments to himself, both in the physical world and between people's
>ears?
This was part of Hubbard's Justification case, and his personal
dwindling spiral.
If he intended this from the beginning, then he created the
greatest bait and switch in the history man, and considering the
intelligence, compassion, insight, workability and beauty of the output
of his first 20 years of work, he was 100 million times brighter than
you, so there is little shame in having fallen for it.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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muldoon (brian9511@dslextreme.com) wrote:
>Is the one way "Dwindling spiral" to the pit, zillions of creepy
>crawlers as a "present time problem," and endless-think-think
>introspection about these things (as opposed to living), and obsession
>with e-meters:
There is knowing how to know answers to questions, and there are
answers thus found out or come to be known.
The first is Scientology technology, and the second are the results
of applicaiton of that technology.
Dwindling spiral is answer known, not part of Hubbard's case but
everyone's case. It comes from the tendency of a thetan to want
persistence, thus accumulating mass that never as-ises, the thetan gets
heavier and heavier and less able to operate. This is by intent.
Primary mechanism is reversal of time events in the DED/DEDEX
sequence. Pc does something, regrets it, finds a justifier AFTER the
fact and uses the justifier to BOTH restrain AND justify doing again the
same overt act. RESTRAINT AND JUSTIFICATION (leading to REPETITION of
the act) is a common AND on a case that needs to be audited out.
AND's audit where OR's don't. because insanity audits where
sensibility won't.
Zillions of creepy crawlers are again a direct perception of those
that can see other's directly without using or needing a body to see
with or to be seen with.
Again this is in the category of answer known for those who can
know it.
Any alcholic suffering withdraw will tell you about bugs running
through his body. Those are after death engrams coming to the surface
for duration of the withdrawal. Once one starts to go clear revivs, as
they are called, become common during sessions and during dreams the
next night.
Introspection is a Scientology thing, a level of the awareness
characteristic scale. Those above introspection do not introspect so
much, nor do those well below it. The enforced extroversion of the
fixidity case is hardly sane.
E-meters are the most amazing invention since fire. E-meters in
fact allow Scientology to be approached with some level of MESTY
precision and science.
That's in the answer known department too.
Most people have no clue how to use an E-meter, what to look for,
why they read, or what to do about reads.
People who have a problem with E-meters have had withholds
incorrectly indicated to them using one, and or existing withholds
missed.
E-meters to a withholdy preclear are like tribbles to a Klingon.
But e-meters in the hands of a withholdy pc are hell on earth.
>3) Part of Hubbard's "grim joke" on his followers - used as a
>distraction and as "glue," as he did what he actually wanted to do,
>which was collect blackmail, money and power, and, ultimately, build
>monuments to himself, both in the physical world and between people's
>ears?
This was part of Hubbard's Justification case, and his personal
dwindling spiral.
If he intended this from the beginning, then he created the
greatest bait and switch in the history man, and considering the
intelligence, compassion, insight, workability and beauty of the output
of his first 20 years of work, he was 100 million times brighter than
you, so there is little shame in having fallen for it.
Homer
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Posted: Tue Oct 11 17:06:26 EDT 2016
ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/adore382.memo
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================== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===================
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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