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ABOUT GOD
In alt.clearing.technology Snark Master <noauth@nowhere.com> wrote:
> You see Dennis Erlich talks to Him, God, everyday because he is a
> "man of God." The Reverend has to, because he speaks God's language, He
> is by definition God's chosen leader to bring people of ARS, (especially
> the foul-mouthed), toward God. You don't know God like Reverend Erlich
> does. That's why your relationship with God must go through the dialog
> that Reverend Erlich has with God everyday.
That's cool to me.
I would hope that all dialogue with God, the High US, happens every
day.
I once had a dream, lots of people were standing around mourning
the untimely loss of a loved one. Some of them were trying their magic
incantatons to revive them, but all failed.
So I came forward, and ushered them all back, and told them to
listen quietly and I first said:
"In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, I ask
you to come alive again."
Nothing happened.
Then I said:
"In the name of Allah, who is Great, I ask that you come alive
again."
Nothing happened.
Getting desperate, I then said:
"In the name of the High Us, I ask that you come alive again."
and the body stirred and did so.
Many religions including early Christianity tell us that all beings
are God incarnation, not just Jesus.
What the dream told me, is that calling upon Jesus or Allah, or
whoever the patron saint of the moment might be, is praying only one
being. One has to invoke EVERYONE who has ever lived or will live or
could live, the High-US, in order for enough agreement to be reached,
that the miracle can happen.
Critical mass on who or what is God is only reached when the
answer is EVERONE.
I don't care about meatball/dreamball, that's just an effort to
find a scientific basis for prayer, but I do care that people understand
that when praying to God, they are in fact praying to the High US, and
if they aren't their prayers will fall short of working.
God expects us to become co-creators beside God.
Unfortunately we find in auditing, that the being instinctively
does not include his most detested terminals in the High-Us, and thus
his feelings for the High-Us are corrupted with bias, he wishes some of
the US didn't exist.
That causes prayer to go astray.
You can't pray to the High-US that some of the High-US be the
High-Them.
That's why belief in, or desire for, a hell forever for some
people, even just one, causes terminal spiritual decay.
Thus it is not the bad who end up in hell, it is the good who want
the bad to end up in hell, that end up in hell.
But only for a while, only until they give it up.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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FORCE AND MASS, WILL AND MOTIVATION
MCT - 7
25 December 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MEATBALL AND A DREAMBALL IS WHAT
THEY THINK CONSCIOUSNESS IS.
The meatball thinks that consciousness is a name for mechanical
processes going on in the brain, in the same way that dieticians
consider that metabolism is a name for processes going on in the body.
The dreamball thinks that consciousness is its own thing.
There are two kinds of dreamballs, Hybrids and Projectionists.
Hybrids believe in a hybrid theory that contains both the physical
universe AND this thing called a conscious unit. In this sense the
conscious unit is another part of the whole, a part working and
interacting in tandem with the remaining physical universe parts that
make up the body.
They envision consciousness as something that can be the effect of
physical forces and events, and also as something that can CAUSE
physical forces and events. They conceive that cause travels FROM the
physical universe TO the conscious unit, THROUGH the conscious unit, and
back into the physical universe again.
For example physical sensory data comes in from the physical senses
through the retina, and the optic nerve and are distributed on the
visual cortex of the brain.
Here the conscious unit overlays the visual cortex and the physical
energies in the visual cortex, which cause a color form display in the
conscious unit, much as a television signal finally gets display on a
color TV set.
Then the self, which is also part of the conscious unit is able to
see this data right off the conscious color form screen, and so make
decisions based on its desire and knowledge and issue a command back out
towards the physical universe to create a physical action.
The intentional volition of the self, originating in the mechanics
of the conscious unit itself and NOT in any 'underlying' physical
processes in the brain, travels out of the conscious unit back into the
neuromuscular command pathways of the brain via a second interface, and
the nerve pathways translate the outward going causal flow into body
action.
Thus there are two hybrid interfaces in this theory. The first is
the in coming data interface whereby physical data in the visual cortex
becomes translated into conscious color form data for the self to see.
The second is the out going action interface whereby volitional
intention on the part of the conscious unit self is translated back into
physical universe nerve impulses in the brain to be carried out by the
neuromuscular system.
There would also have to be another set of in coming and outgoing
data interfaces to deal with physically stored memory, but it is also
assumed that the conscious unit has its own memory capacity independent
of the body memory, and which does not depend on the underlying physical
structure of the body for its existence.
Of course this is a hotly contested and very controversial theory
of things. Most hardball scientists would reject it out of hand.
On the surface this theory might imply a violation of conservation
of energy and momentum, because of the influence of the conscious unit.
It has to take energy from the visual cortex to conform its color form
display to the physical data in the visual cortex, and when the self
issues a command to the body, it must be generating impulses to initiate
nerve flow, which involves more energy.
Even among the hybrids there is contention concerning the role that
the CU plays in such energy transfers. One group holds that the CU is
merely a stimulus response part in the over all system of parts. It is
moved by incoming energy, and it in turn moves other parts according to
how it was moved, much as any other state determined part in the system
behaves. The CU plays the role of gaining its desires and acts as a
computer that constantly calculates what to do based on what it knows
and what it wants.
The other group claims that the CU has a connection to a higher
universe and can actually inject energy into this universe, and take
energy out of it and does so all the time. In their view, the CU can
originate actions independently of what is happening to it in the
physical universe, in other words it can do things that are not a
function of its past in the physical universe. They hold that the CU is
not state determined by its past in either this or the higher universe,
but is of course always state determined by its own present nature.
This view obviously conflicts with strong conservation of energy
and momentum, but it is claimed that on average the amount of energy
added to this universe is equal to the amount absorbed back out, so the
over all effect is minimal. This is very dissatisfactory to the
mathematically strict conservationists and state determinedists.
A deeper look however might suggest that one merely need to
increase the width of one's universe to include the conscious universe,
where one might find that between the two of them, the physical universe
AND the conscious universe, energy and momentum are still conserved.
But then again one might find that they are not. The very creation
of a universe at all is the grand daddy of all violation of conservation
of energy and momentum, and if the universe was created at all, then why
not have little moments of creation and destruction going on all the
time.
Recent mathematical models of the universe suggest that the
universe never was created, it just always was. The model holds that
both space and time are circular and closed, so one has sort of an
unchanging permanent universe of space-time, forever shining in the
library of spaceless, timeless Eternity.
As an aside, one of the philosophical reasons that people like to
think that energy is conserved, is because they consider that energy
is what is real. Since intuitionally they conceive that something
can't come from nothing, nor can something go into nothing, energy,
which is the real 'something' of this universe, must therefore be
conserved.
It might be called more accurately, the conservation of Something.
Although some of the hybrids claim that energy may not be
conserved, what they are all saying is that there are two fundamental
realities interacting with each other, one based on force and mass, and
the other based on will and motivation.
The meatballs wish to reduce will and motivation TO force and mass.
They wish to reduce PAIN and PLEASURE to PUSH and PULL, as they claim
there is no evidence to support the more complex theory.
Notice that the hybrid theory IS a more complex theory, probably
exponentially so, however, what the meatballs are really saying is that
they are too lazy to figure it out given a total lack of evidence that
it might be true.
Philosophers however go at it the other way around. FIRST they
come up with the more complex theory, not to explain anything they have
observed, the 'scientists' have already done that, but just to do it.
THEN they see if this theory predicts anything new that hasn't even been
thought of before, let alone observed, and THEN they try to observe it.
WAITING for evidence to come along and FORCE you to change your
theory is a smug meatball's way of getting out of work. It is also a
way to not rock the boat. They already have their thesis written that
the universe works this way, and not that way. Why dream up weird
theories that might predict weirder phenomenon that might then be
observed to exist, when you can just keep quiet, and let everyone be
satisfied with the extant, self consistent and closed body of evidence
and theory that already exist?
Science can become sort of a self fulfilling body of ignorance.
Ignorance comes from the word IGNORE by the way. It doesn't mean
stupidity, nor does it mean uneducated or unknowledgeable. It means the
state of mind you get into when you IGNORE things that are clearly
visible.
Anyhow if the scientific community has a body of evidence that they
have found, and a theory that models the evidence as well as they can
measure it, then you have a closed self consistent system. This does
not mean it is correct, nor does it mean that MORE evidence is not
available for observation. It may mean only that no one has thought of
the remaining evidence because it is not predicted by their theory, and
so they may never get around to looking for it.
So unless such new and unknown evidence comes along on its own
accord and kicks some scientific rump, people can get kind of
complacent. They sit around WAITING ON CALL for some evidence to show
up. But Lord forbid they should ever start theorizing something new out
of the blue, that might predict some new phenomena they would then be
obligated to go verify.
It is politically DANGEROUS to theorize in the absence of evidence
prompting you to do so. It creates more work for scientists who have
already written their theses and it ruins perfectly good theories that
give people stature and importance and awards in their communities, even
though they are completely wrong.
Everyone knows they have to change their theories if evidence comes
along, but why push it?
So you find societies falling into stagnant eddies of scientific
thought. Their theories predict the evidence and the evidence supports
the theories, and you have a closed system that everyone thinks is the
last word, even though in truth it covers about .00001 percent of
reality.
That's about where we are today with our nuclear physics and quarks
and things. And don't be fooled, our present theories will NOT advance
very far in the same direction they have been going all along, into more
and more quarks and things and different kinds of sub atomic particles.
They will advance instead into more CONSCIOUSNESS.
OF COURSE the meatballs scream for proof, they are terrified you
might have it.
What would happen to their physics if one little thetan could throw
one little spark that someone else could feel?
What would happen if they put two people in two separate Faraday
Cages, you know the kind completely surrounded with chicken wire so
NOTHING electrical could get through, and these two could still swap
notes on a telepathic basis?
I mean forget the social, religious and political impact of such a
demonstration. What about the poor guys in white lab coats. What would
happen to them? They would have no where to go. Their priorities would
fall through the floor. They wouldn't know where to start picking up
the pieces. All they were good at was making ADJUSTMENTS to theories,
they never thought they would have to start FROM SCRATCH.
You see it is still too wild. They can't even conceive of the
consequences. It would take a science fiction writer like Asimov or
Clarke to figure this one out.
Now I am being a bit unfair, this kind of scientific revolution has
happened before including during the late 19th and early 20th century
with the discovery of Special Relativity. Those guys had to throw it
ALL away and start over again. And they were up to the job, but me
thinks those days are gone, and those guys are gone too, although they
may still be walking among us.
You know great advances come in waves, in periods. For example,
all the really great music happened from 1650 to 1930 or so. But now
they are gone. You are NEVER going to get the likes of Mozart, Brahms,
Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Tchaikovski, Grieg, Mousourski, Rachmaninoff,
and Debussy walking around the planet again. Music has decayed down to
levels of degradation that those guys never dreamed could happen.
Today, except for a few exceptions like Bernstein and Rogers and
Hammerstein, and a couple of songs here and there, people put noise
pollution on a pedestal and call it art.
Same for physics. Today you have very few people who are really
able to do the work that Maxwell, Faraday, Einstein, Heisenberg, Pauli,
and Borh did.
Maybe it will take a new breed of person to finally crack open the
next level of how this universe really works. The meatballs don't seem
to have the depth to do it. They have the intelligence and the
complexity to do it, but the shallowness of their Divinity is appalling.
They are like the technicians that Beethoven complained about who
could play his pieces with extraordinary technical skill and speed,
never making a mistake, but who left everyone bored stiff. They had no
FEELING.
The same thing goes for today's extant breed of high tech
physicist, they struggle to get that last decimal place in their
equation to agree with reality and then they think they will have it
all, the pinnacle of achievement of conscious thought in this universe.
AND THEY WILL HAVE NOTHING.
For maybe the universe does not work the way they think it does,
maybe they have it all wrong from beginning to end. Maybe the world
really is a dream as the Dreamball Projectionists think and maybe all
this physical universe nonsense was just an intellectual trap to tie up
a civilization's resources so that they would develop the bomb before
developing a heart.
And that brings us to the real dreamballs, if there are any of you
out there. You listening?
You have your work cut out for you. NO ONE WILL LISTEN except
those who can see. Everyone else would prefer to eat rather than wake
up. Even if the physical universe is true, we don't have to be here.
We CAN be here if we want! We can come visit the machines, and the
people who think they are machines, and we can argue the philosophy of
those who say we are machines.
But first and foremost, we need to collect our own kind. Tap them
on the shoulder, tell them, "You can wake up, remember where you came
from, remember that you DON'T know how it all works."
Remind them that consciousness-of is consciousness of certainty and
cause. Remind them that machines can never be certain of anything and
can never know if there is cause.
Remind them that machines don't care and don't give a damn.
Remind them that people who think they are machines, act like
machines and shouldn't be in control.
Keep after them until they know that without consciousness of
certainty and cause, their souls are but Dust in the Wind.
They will get it fast enough. Any 3 year old can understand this.
Then you won't have to be alone when the government and the police
force, and the army, and the Church, and the school teachers, and the
drunken parents, and the religiously insane, and the Psychiatric Zombie
Lords, and the walking dead, come for you in the middle of the night for
waking up people who they would prefer to be asleep.
There is only one crime in this universe of lies.
LUCIDITY.
Why?
Because it wakes you up from the liars.
It's a loss of havingness to them, because they have no one to lie
to any more.
Homer
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MCT - 7
25 December 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MEATBALL AND A DREAMBALL IS WHAT
THEY THINK CONSCIOUSNESS IS.
The meatball thinks that consciousness is a name for mechanical
processes going on in the brain, in the same way that dieticians
consider that metabolism is a name for processes going on in the body.
The dreamball thinks that consciousness is its own thing.
There are two kinds of dreamballs, Hybrids and Projectionists.
Hybrids believe in a hybrid theory that contains both the physical
universe AND this thing called a conscious unit. In this sense the
conscious unit is another part of the whole, a part working and
interacting in tandem with the remaining physical universe parts that
make up the body.
They envision consciousness as something that can be the effect of
physical forces and events, and also as something that can CAUSE
physical forces and events. They conceive that cause travels FROM the
physical universe TO the conscious unit, THROUGH the conscious unit, and
back into the physical universe again.
For example physical sensory data comes in from the physical senses
through the retina, and the optic nerve and are distributed on the
visual cortex of the brain.
Here the conscious unit overlays the visual cortex and the physical
energies in the visual cortex, which cause a color form display in the
conscious unit, much as a television signal finally gets display on a
color TV set.
Then the self, which is also part of the conscious unit is able to
see this data right off the conscious color form screen, and so make
decisions based on its desire and knowledge and issue a command back out
towards the physical universe to create a physical action.
The intentional volition of the self, originating in the mechanics
of the conscious unit itself and NOT in any 'underlying' physical
processes in the brain, travels out of the conscious unit back into the
neuromuscular command pathways of the brain via a second interface, and
the nerve pathways translate the outward going causal flow into body
action.
Thus there are two hybrid interfaces in this theory. The first is
the in coming data interface whereby physical data in the visual cortex
becomes translated into conscious color form data for the self to see.
The second is the out going action interface whereby volitional
intention on the part of the conscious unit self is translated back into
physical universe nerve impulses in the brain to be carried out by the
neuromuscular system.
There would also have to be another set of in coming and outgoing
data interfaces to deal with physically stored memory, but it is also
assumed that the conscious unit has its own memory capacity independent
of the body memory, and which does not depend on the underlying physical
structure of the body for its existence.
Of course this is a hotly contested and very controversial theory
of things. Most hardball scientists would reject it out of hand.
On the surface this theory might imply a violation of conservation
of energy and momentum, because of the influence of the conscious unit.
It has to take energy from the visual cortex to conform its color form
display to the physical data in the visual cortex, and when the self
issues a command to the body, it must be generating impulses to initiate
nerve flow, which involves more energy.
Even among the hybrids there is contention concerning the role that
the CU plays in such energy transfers. One group holds that the CU is
merely a stimulus response part in the over all system of parts. It is
moved by incoming energy, and it in turn moves other parts according to
how it was moved, much as any other state determined part in the system
behaves. The CU plays the role of gaining its desires and acts as a
computer that constantly calculates what to do based on what it knows
and what it wants.
The other group claims that the CU has a connection to a higher
universe and can actually inject energy into this universe, and take
energy out of it and does so all the time. In their view, the CU can
originate actions independently of what is happening to it in the
physical universe, in other words it can do things that are not a
function of its past in the physical universe. They hold that the CU is
not state determined by its past in either this or the higher universe,
but is of course always state determined by its own present nature.
This view obviously conflicts with strong conservation of energy
and momentum, but it is claimed that on average the amount of energy
added to this universe is equal to the amount absorbed back out, so the
over all effect is minimal. This is very dissatisfactory to the
mathematically strict conservationists and state determinedists.
A deeper look however might suggest that one merely need to
increase the width of one's universe to include the conscious universe,
where one might find that between the two of them, the physical universe
AND the conscious universe, energy and momentum are still conserved.
But then again one might find that they are not. The very creation
of a universe at all is the grand daddy of all violation of conservation
of energy and momentum, and if the universe was created at all, then why
not have little moments of creation and destruction going on all the
time.
Recent mathematical models of the universe suggest that the
universe never was created, it just always was. The model holds that
both space and time are circular and closed, so one has sort of an
unchanging permanent universe of space-time, forever shining in the
library of spaceless, timeless Eternity.
As an aside, one of the philosophical reasons that people like to
think that energy is conserved, is because they consider that energy
is what is real. Since intuitionally they conceive that something
can't come from nothing, nor can something go into nothing, energy,
which is the real 'something' of this universe, must therefore be
conserved.
It might be called more accurately, the conservation of Something.
Although some of the hybrids claim that energy may not be
conserved, what they are all saying is that there are two fundamental
realities interacting with each other, one based on force and mass, and
the other based on will and motivation.
The meatballs wish to reduce will and motivation TO force and mass.
They wish to reduce PAIN and PLEASURE to PUSH and PULL, as they claim
there is no evidence to support the more complex theory.
Notice that the hybrid theory IS a more complex theory, probably
exponentially so, however, what the meatballs are really saying is that
they are too lazy to figure it out given a total lack of evidence that
it might be true.
Philosophers however go at it the other way around. FIRST they
come up with the more complex theory, not to explain anything they have
observed, the 'scientists' have already done that, but just to do it.
THEN they see if this theory predicts anything new that hasn't even been
thought of before, let alone observed, and THEN they try to observe it.
WAITING for evidence to come along and FORCE you to change your
theory is a smug meatball's way of getting out of work. It is also a
way to not rock the boat. They already have their thesis written that
the universe works this way, and not that way. Why dream up weird
theories that might predict weirder phenomenon that might then be
observed to exist, when you can just keep quiet, and let everyone be
satisfied with the extant, self consistent and closed body of evidence
and theory that already exist?
Science can become sort of a self fulfilling body of ignorance.
Ignorance comes from the word IGNORE by the way. It doesn't mean
stupidity, nor does it mean uneducated or unknowledgeable. It means the
state of mind you get into when you IGNORE things that are clearly
visible.
Anyhow if the scientific community has a body of evidence that they
have found, and a theory that models the evidence as well as they can
measure it, then you have a closed self consistent system. This does
not mean it is correct, nor does it mean that MORE evidence is not
available for observation. It may mean only that no one has thought of
the remaining evidence because it is not predicted by their theory, and
so they may never get around to looking for it.
So unless such new and unknown evidence comes along on its own
accord and kicks some scientific rump, people can get kind of
complacent. They sit around WAITING ON CALL for some evidence to show
up. But Lord forbid they should ever start theorizing something new out
of the blue, that might predict some new phenomena they would then be
obligated to go verify.
It is politically DANGEROUS to theorize in the absence of evidence
prompting you to do so. It creates more work for scientists who have
already written their theses and it ruins perfectly good theories that
give people stature and importance and awards in their communities, even
though they are completely wrong.
Everyone knows they have to change their theories if evidence comes
along, but why push it?
So you find societies falling into stagnant eddies of scientific
thought. Their theories predict the evidence and the evidence supports
the theories, and you have a closed system that everyone thinks is the
last word, even though in truth it covers about .00001 percent of
reality.
That's about where we are today with our nuclear physics and quarks
and things. And don't be fooled, our present theories will NOT advance
very far in the same direction they have been going all along, into more
and more quarks and things and different kinds of sub atomic particles.
They will advance instead into more CONSCIOUSNESS.
OF COURSE the meatballs scream for proof, they are terrified you
might have it.
What would happen to their physics if one little thetan could throw
one little spark that someone else could feel?
What would happen if they put two people in two separate Faraday
Cages, you know the kind completely surrounded with chicken wire so
NOTHING electrical could get through, and these two could still swap
notes on a telepathic basis?
I mean forget the social, religious and political impact of such a
demonstration. What about the poor guys in white lab coats. What would
happen to them? They would have no where to go. Their priorities would
fall through the floor. They wouldn't know where to start picking up
the pieces. All they were good at was making ADJUSTMENTS to theories,
they never thought they would have to start FROM SCRATCH.
You see it is still too wild. They can't even conceive of the
consequences. It would take a science fiction writer like Asimov or
Clarke to figure this one out.
Now I am being a bit unfair, this kind of scientific revolution has
happened before including during the late 19th and early 20th century
with the discovery of Special Relativity. Those guys had to throw it
ALL away and start over again. And they were up to the job, but me
thinks those days are gone, and those guys are gone too, although they
may still be walking among us.
You know great advances come in waves, in periods. For example,
all the really great music happened from 1650 to 1930 or so. But now
they are gone. You are NEVER going to get the likes of Mozart, Brahms,
Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Tchaikovski, Grieg, Mousourski, Rachmaninoff,
and Debussy walking around the planet again. Music has decayed down to
levels of degradation that those guys never dreamed could happen.
Today, except for a few exceptions like Bernstein and Rogers and
Hammerstein, and a couple of songs here and there, people put noise
pollution on a pedestal and call it art.
Same for physics. Today you have very few people who are really
able to do the work that Maxwell, Faraday, Einstein, Heisenberg, Pauli,
and Borh did.
Maybe it will take a new breed of person to finally crack open the
next level of how this universe really works. The meatballs don't seem
to have the depth to do it. They have the intelligence and the
complexity to do it, but the shallowness of their Divinity is appalling.
They are like the technicians that Beethoven complained about who
could play his pieces with extraordinary technical skill and speed,
never making a mistake, but who left everyone bored stiff. They had no
FEELING.
The same thing goes for today's extant breed of high tech
physicist, they struggle to get that last decimal place in their
equation to agree with reality and then they think they will have it
all, the pinnacle of achievement of conscious thought in this universe.
AND THEY WILL HAVE NOTHING.
For maybe the universe does not work the way they think it does,
maybe they have it all wrong from beginning to end. Maybe the world
really is a dream as the Dreamball Projectionists think and maybe all
this physical universe nonsense was just an intellectual trap to tie up
a civilization's resources so that they would develop the bomb before
developing a heart.
And that brings us to the real dreamballs, if there are any of you
out there. You listening?
You have your work cut out for you. NO ONE WILL LISTEN except
those who can see. Everyone else would prefer to eat rather than wake
up. Even if the physical universe is true, we don't have to be here.
We CAN be here if we want! We can come visit the machines, and the
people who think they are machines, and we can argue the philosophy of
those who say we are machines.
But first and foremost, we need to collect our own kind. Tap them
on the shoulder, tell them, "You can wake up, remember where you came
from, remember that you DON'T know how it all works."
Remind them that consciousness-of is consciousness of certainty and
cause. Remind them that machines can never be certain of anything and
can never know if there is cause.
Remind them that machines don't care and don't give a damn.
Remind them that people who think they are machines, act like
machines and shouldn't be in control.
Keep after them until they know that without consciousness of
certainty and cause, their souls are but Dust in the Wind.
They will get it fast enough. Any 3 year old can understand this.
Then you won't have to be alone when the government and the police
force, and the army, and the Church, and the school teachers, and the
drunken parents, and the religiously insane, and the Psychiatric Zombie
Lords, and the walking dead, come for you in the middle of the night for
waking up people who they would prefer to be asleep.
There is only one crime in this universe of lies.
LUCIDITY.
Why?
Because it wakes you up from the liars.
It's a loss of havingness to them, because they have no one to lie
to any more.
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THIS DREAM...
"This dream ends forever when the circle of friends are all
holding hands again." - Adore
"The only thing that lives forever are people and peace." - Adore
"No one lives forever where there is time.
"Everyone lives forever where there is no time." - Adore
A long time ago, before this dream began, you were all at a huge
slumber party at the end of the last dream.
You remember slumber parties as a kid, everyone was there, you
have snacks, share good times, have a few pillow fights,
And then everyone realizes it is time call the end, everyone is
done 'swatting flies and swapping lies(1)'. They curl up, arms and
legs groped and looped around one another in a huge pile and slowly go
to sleep.
As they are lying there, as One as they can get, absolutely
everyone is completely and totally content, happy and at peace with
themselves, each other and the AllThatIs.
Then somewhere in the middle of the Brahma Night, someone giggles
and says with an impish smile that would melt the coldest of hearts,
"Hey everyone wake up, I got a great idea, you want to play a
game?"
One by one everyone wakes up to the hushed whispering, planning
and taking up of sides, and eventually there is this great big
unanimous "YEAH!"
One hundred trillion years later, everyone finds themselves in
the middle of World War II, black fighting white, fighting green,
fighting red, with some cyans and magentas thrown in for the mix.
Pick your color according to whatever side you chose up.
There is only one rule in the game, you can do anything you want
to anyone, as long as you remember that one day, at Game's End, you
are *ALL*, each and every one, going to be back in another slumber
party just like the one that started this game, giggling and swatting
flies and swapping lies.
This is Operating Class.
Class is the alloy of the Chalice, Class holds the AllThatIs
together.
"Class is an attitude, that everyone should live forever and be
my friend.
"Desire is Sovereign.
"Appreciation is for winners." - Adore
Auditing then is for moments of broken Class.
E/P Early arrival at slumber party.
Homer
(1) Tom Paxton, Talking Vietnam Pot Luck Blues 1971
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THIS DREAM...
"This dream ends forever when the circle of friends are all
holding hands again." - Adore
"The only thing that lives forever are people and peace." - Adore
"No one lives forever where there is time.
"Everyone lives forever where there is no time." - Adore
A long time ago, before this dream began, you were all at a huge
slumber party at the end of the last dream.
You remember slumber parties as a kid, everyone was there, you
have snacks, share good times, have a few pillow fights,
And then everyone realizes it is time call the end, everyone is
done 'swatting flies and swapping lies(1)'. They curl up, arms and
legs groped and looped around one another in a huge pile and slowly go
to sleep.
As they are lying there, as One as they can get, absolutely
everyone is completely and totally content, happy and at peace with
themselves, each other and the AllThatIs.
Then somewhere in the middle of the Brahma Night, someone giggles
and says with an impish smile that would melt the coldest of hearts,
"Hey everyone wake up, I got a great idea, you want to play a
game?"
One by one everyone wakes up to the hushed whispering, planning
and taking up of sides, and eventually there is this great big
unanimous "YEAH!"
One hundred trillion years later, everyone finds themselves in
the middle of World War II, black fighting white, fighting green,
fighting red, with some cyans and magentas thrown in for the mix.
Pick your color according to whatever side you chose up.
There is only one rule in the game, you can do anything you want
to anyone, as long as you remember that one day, at Game's End, you
are *ALL*, each and every one, going to be back in another slumber
party just like the one that started this game, giggling and swatting
flies and swapping lies.
This is Operating Class.
Class is the alloy of the Chalice, Class holds the AllThatIs
together.
"Class is an attitude, that everyone should live forever and be
my friend.
"Desire is Sovereign.
"Appreciation is for winners." - Adore
Auditing then is for moments of broken Class.
E/P Early arrival at slumber party.
Homer
(1) Tom Paxton, Talking Vietnam Pot Luck Blues 1971
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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WHIRLPOOL NIGHTMARE
Long ago when we were doing T-shirts, every night I would fall into
a nightmare of whirling energy where I couldn't remember my name or who
I was or where I was, and it felt like I would never recover them.
Accidentally I learned that while in this nightmare if I asked
myself
"Who do I still want to murder?" and/or
"Withheld/Refused Apology."
the nightmare would suddenly stop and everything would be fine.
Problem was I could never remember those phrases when it turned on
because my memory was being ripped from me.
We slept on the ground on a fouton, and next to my side were boxes
and boxes of fractal t-shirts, so I wrote on the side of the box those
two phrases. Thus I could wake up, and with one eye remember the
phrase, go back into the nightmare and use them. This worked fine and
as time went on the nightly mares started to lose power as if the
incident was running out. This might have happened over 7 to 10 days of
the same thing every night.
Then one I night the nightmare turned on, fear was dripping off the
walls and I was about to use my magic phrases as I was getting good at
this, didn't need the reminders on the boxes any more or the flash
lights to read them, and I said "Aw screw this, and I *DIVED* into the
center of whirlpool".
Suddenly all the fear waves turned into pleasure waves, and I was
surrounded in warm candyland beauty. All pain was gone from the dream.
The nightmare never happened again.
Incident erased.
Hubbard talks about the whirlpool implants in History of Man I
believe.
Homer
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WHIRLPOOL NIGHTMARE
Long ago when we were doing T-shirts, every night I would fall into
a nightmare of whirling energy where I couldn't remember my name or who
I was or where I was, and it felt like I would never recover them.
Accidentally I learned that while in this nightmare if I asked
myself
"Who do I still want to murder?" and/or
"Withheld/Refused Apology."
the nightmare would suddenly stop and everything would be fine.
Problem was I could never remember those phrases when it turned on
because my memory was being ripped from me.
We slept on the ground on a fouton, and next to my side were boxes
and boxes of fractal t-shirts, so I wrote on the side of the box those
two phrases. Thus I could wake up, and with one eye remember the
phrase, go back into the nightmare and use them. This worked fine and
as time went on the nightly mares started to lose power as if the
incident was running out. This might have happened over 7 to 10 days of
the same thing every night.
Then one I night the nightmare turned on, fear was dripping off the
walls and I was about to use my magic phrases as I was getting good at
this, didn't need the reminders on the boxes any more or the flash
lights to read them, and I said "Aw screw this, and I *DIVED* into the
center of whirlpool".
Suddenly all the fear waves turned into pleasure waves, and I was
surrounded in warm candyland beauty. All pain was gone from the dream.
The nightmare never happened again.
Incident erased.
Hubbard talks about the whirlpool implants in History of Man I
believe.
Homer
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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Curiosus (curiosus@fastmail.fm) wrote:
>homer@lightlink.com wrote:
>> Was this being actual?
>>
>> BT?
>>
>> What do you think?
>I have several hypothesis about these matters:
Do you have the same hypothesis about the people you meet in the
waking state?
If not, why do you discriminate between people in the 'waking'
state, and people in 'sleep dreams'?
The people in my sleep dreams are more intelligent, more
beautiful, more powerful, more creative and more alive than the beings
in the waking state most of whom seem to be mostly dead.
Christ I even get really good auditing from them sometimes.
And you know I wake up with piano music I *REMEMBER* still in my
fingers from who knows how many time tracks ago. I can only cry as I
watch it fade from my hands when I wake up. Sometimes it takes 15 to
20 seconds though...
How long has this been goin' on?
>1. Pure imagination and mock-ups
>2. Virtual identities (valences, "mental programs" which are activated)
>3. Attached entities (BTs)
>4. Communication with other beings from earth, other planets, or
>disembodied
>5. Manifestation of invisible connections which form the woof and warp
>of life.
>Your dream could be anyone of these manifestations, from what you
>wrote.
>The fact that we have questions means that we don't know enough about
>the true nature of life.
>For example do you understand fully the concept of thetan as defined in
>scientology?
The thetan is that which is aware of being aware. It is the
looker, looking at the "looked-at" through the "looked-through".
The thetan is capable of the 4 basic perfect certainties of
existence:
I AM
I WANT
I KNOW
I DO
They are perfect certainties in that they can not be doubted, for
to doubt them is to prove them.
Thus they can not be wrong.
A nothing could not wonder whether it was a nothing or a
something.
I doubt I am, therefore I am.
One can not doubt without being certain that one doubts.
He who doubts that he doubts is in hiding from perfect certainty.
This is brazen, shameless out integrity.
Since God is perfect, where there is perfection there is probably
God.
Thus perfect certainty is a window directly into the mind and
operation of God.
Me, thee and the High Us.
Beyond these things a thetan is probably much more than meets the
eye.
The primary difference between a meatball and a dreamball is
one's conception of the relationship between lookers and other
lookers, and also between lookers and their respective
looked-through's and looked-at's.
Meatballs think the looker is MADE of a looked-at, they think
that consciousness-of and perfect certainty is merely a process in
choice ground sirloin.
To them the mind of God is a hamburger.
:)
To spot the thetan, spot the desire to spot the thetan.
Spot the intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the spotter of the desire and intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the doubt that one has spotted the thetan.
Spot the certainty of that doubt.
Spot the perfection of that certainty.
Homer
>Me, I don't, and that is one of these underlying questions which are at
>the core of my quest.
>--
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>http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005/spcos.htm
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>homer@lightlink.com wrote:
>> Was this being actual?
>>
>> BT?
>>
>> What do you think?
>I have several hypothesis about these matters:
Do you have the same hypothesis about the people you meet in the
waking state?
If not, why do you discriminate between people in the 'waking'
state, and people in 'sleep dreams'?
The people in my sleep dreams are more intelligent, more
beautiful, more powerful, more creative and more alive than the beings
in the waking state most of whom seem to be mostly dead.
Christ I even get really good auditing from them sometimes.
And you know I wake up with piano music I *REMEMBER* still in my
fingers from who knows how many time tracks ago. I can only cry as I
watch it fade from my hands when I wake up. Sometimes it takes 15 to
20 seconds though...
How long has this been goin' on?
>1. Pure imagination and mock-ups
>2. Virtual identities (valences, "mental programs" which are activated)
>3. Attached entities (BTs)
>4. Communication with other beings from earth, other planets, or
>disembodied
>5. Manifestation of invisible connections which form the woof and warp
>of life.
>Your dream could be anyone of these manifestations, from what you
>wrote.
>The fact that we have questions means that we don't know enough about
>the true nature of life.
>For example do you understand fully the concept of thetan as defined in
>scientology?
The thetan is that which is aware of being aware. It is the
looker, looking at the "looked-at" through the "looked-through".
The thetan is capable of the 4 basic perfect certainties of
existence:
I AM
I WANT
I KNOW
I DO
They are perfect certainties in that they can not be doubted, for
to doubt them is to prove them.
Thus they can not be wrong.
A nothing could not wonder whether it was a nothing or a
something.
I doubt I am, therefore I am.
One can not doubt without being certain that one doubts.
He who doubts that he doubts is in hiding from perfect certainty.
This is brazen, shameless out integrity.
Since God is perfect, where there is perfection there is probably
God.
Thus perfect certainty is a window directly into the mind and
operation of God.
Me, thee and the High Us.
Beyond these things a thetan is probably much more than meets the
eye.
The primary difference between a meatball and a dreamball is
one's conception of the relationship between lookers and other
lookers, and also between lookers and their respective
looked-through's and looked-at's.
Meatballs think the looker is MADE of a looked-at, they think
that consciousness-of and perfect certainty is merely a process in
choice ground sirloin.
To them the mind of God is a hamburger.
:)
To spot the thetan, spot the desire to spot the thetan.
Spot the intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the spotter of the desire and intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the doubt that one has spotted the thetan.
Spot the certainty of that doubt.
Spot the perfection of that certainty.
Homer
>Me, I don't, and that is one of these underlying questions which are at
>the core of my quest.
>--
>Curiosus
>http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005/spcos.htm
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OCCAM'S SHARPENING STRAP
Occam liked to follow the simplest theory first before wasting time
on more complex ones.
There is some complaint that the dreamball theory is more complex
than the meatball theory.
In truth the hybrid theory that says both the physical universe and
the conscious universe are actual and are interfaced together is clearly
a more complex one than either theory alone.
But as for the pure meatball and dreamball theories, they are
pretty much on a par with other, although the dreamball theory is richer
in possibilities as it allows the virtualization of many different kinds
of meatball universes.
The dreamball universe is also way more desirable as it allows for
eternality and time enough for love, along with virtual roller coaster
rides as wild as you could ever want including the goal to seek
spiritual death forever, something you can never win, but spend a long
time trying to get there.
The meatball theory says that consciousness is a process in the
physical universe and the brain. Without the physical universe or
brain, there is no consciousness.
The dreamball theory says the physical universe and the brain are a
process in consciousness. Without the conscious universe, there is no
brain or physical universe, nor virtual renditions of them.
The meatball theory says that the physical universe came first, and
consciousness arose out of its complexity of parts, that consciousness
is chemistry bubbling away at 98.6 Farenheit.
The dreamball theory says that consciousness came first, is in fact
eternal, and that (dreams of) the physical universe arose out of its
simplicity.
Effectively the dreamball theory gets rid of the physical universe
except as illusion, and the meatball theory gets rid of consciousness
except as illusion.
But we do not have a symmetry because the existence of
consciousness can not be questioned, perfect certainty is after all
perfectly self luminous.
But the existence of the physical universe can intelligently be
questioned because we can only know it through renditions of its alleged
likeness in our consciousness.
That is like trying to prove something out there exists when all
you have ever seen is a TV picture of it fed to you by an alleged video
camera out there looking at the object. How do you know there is a
video camera and not just a video tape playing?
Worse it can be stated that it is possible to prove that it is
impossible to prove the existence of the physical universe.
That's a big statement, think about it.
Images on a TV set do not prove the existence of anything rendered
in the TV screen beyond the images so rendered.
Images in consciousness do not prove the existence of anything
rendered in consciousness beyond the images themselves.
Thus we have proven that the existence of anything rendered on a TV
screen is unprovable merely from the data on the TV screen!
Just so, we can prove that the existence of anything rendered in
consciousness is unprovable merely from the data in consciousness.
BUT THAT IS ALL WE HAVE, WHAT WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF.
Therefore the existence of the physical universe is provably
unprovable.
Occam's Razor said follow the simplest theory that explains all the
facts.
But Occam's Sharpening Strap said don't even bother to assert or
follow theories that you can prove can never be proven.
That's a deep one and needs some thought.
Stay away from hypotheses that you can prove up front are
unprovable. That doesn't mean they are wrong, it means you can't prove
them even if they are right.
So Occam said screw it, don't even bother with provably unprovable
stuff, find something else to follow.
Man has been saying for years that the ultimate truths about
consciousness are unknowable.
The truth is that the very existence of the physical universe is
unknowable as long as we are using consciousness to know about it.
Consciousness on the other hand you can know about, with perfect
certainty.
Now the guys who make a living chasing the provably unprovable,
like Scientists of the Rock, won't like this, which is in part why no
one has ever heard of Occam's Sharpening Strap.
But there is it.
There is nothing wrong with present day science, it gives us
virtual truth about a virtual reality, but it does not give us anything
about the actual truth of what creates the virtual reality.
It could though, but they would have to stop looking outward, and
start looking ATward, at their consciousness, perfect certainty, self
luminousness, and find the connection that binds us all together as one
family forever, called source or static.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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OCCAM'S SHARPENING STRAP
Occam liked to follow the simplest theory first before wasting time
on more complex ones.
There is some complaint that the dreamball theory is more complex
than the meatball theory.
In truth the hybrid theory that says both the physical universe and
the conscious universe are actual and are interfaced together is clearly
a more complex one than either theory alone.
But as for the pure meatball and dreamball theories, they are
pretty much on a par with other, although the dreamball theory is richer
in possibilities as it allows the virtualization of many different kinds
of meatball universes.
The dreamball universe is also way more desirable as it allows for
eternality and time enough for love, along with virtual roller coaster
rides as wild as you could ever want including the goal to seek
spiritual death forever, something you can never win, but spend a long
time trying to get there.
The meatball theory says that consciousness is a process in the
physical universe and the brain. Without the physical universe or
brain, there is no consciousness.
The dreamball theory says the physical universe and the brain are a
process in consciousness. Without the conscious universe, there is no
brain or physical universe, nor virtual renditions of them.
The meatball theory says that the physical universe came first, and
consciousness arose out of its complexity of parts, that consciousness
is chemistry bubbling away at 98.6 Farenheit.
The dreamball theory says that consciousness came first, is in fact
eternal, and that (dreams of) the physical universe arose out of its
simplicity.
Effectively the dreamball theory gets rid of the physical universe
except as illusion, and the meatball theory gets rid of consciousness
except as illusion.
But we do not have a symmetry because the existence of
consciousness can not be questioned, perfect certainty is after all
perfectly self luminous.
But the existence of the physical universe can intelligently be
questioned because we can only know it through renditions of its alleged
likeness in our consciousness.
That is like trying to prove something out there exists when all
you have ever seen is a TV picture of it fed to you by an alleged video
camera out there looking at the object. How do you know there is a
video camera and not just a video tape playing?
Worse it can be stated that it is possible to prove that it is
impossible to prove the existence of the physical universe.
That's a big statement, think about it.
Images on a TV set do not prove the existence of anything rendered
in the TV screen beyond the images so rendered.
Images in consciousness do not prove the existence of anything
rendered in consciousness beyond the images themselves.
Thus we have proven that the existence of anything rendered on a TV
screen is unprovable merely from the data on the TV screen!
Just so, we can prove that the existence of anything rendered in
consciousness is unprovable merely from the data in consciousness.
BUT THAT IS ALL WE HAVE, WHAT WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF.
Therefore the existence of the physical universe is provably
unprovable.
Occam's Razor said follow the simplest theory that explains all the
facts.
But Occam's Sharpening Strap said don't even bother to assert or
follow theories that you can prove can never be proven.
That's a deep one and needs some thought.
Stay away from hypotheses that you can prove up front are
unprovable. That doesn't mean they are wrong, it means you can't prove
them even if they are right.
So Occam said screw it, don't even bother with provably unprovable
stuff, find something else to follow.
Man has been saying for years that the ultimate truths about
consciousness are unknowable.
The truth is that the very existence of the physical universe is
unknowable as long as we are using consciousness to know about it.
Consciousness on the other hand you can know about, with perfect
certainty.
Now the guys who make a living chasing the provably unprovable,
like Scientists of the Rock, won't like this, which is in part why no
one has ever heard of Occam's Sharpening Strap.
But there is it.
There is nothing wrong with present day science, it gives us
virtual truth about a virtual reality, but it does not give us anything
about the actual truth of what creates the virtual reality.
It could though, but they would have to stop looking outward, and
start looking ATward, at their consciousness, perfect certainty, self
luminousness, and find the connection that binds us all together as one
family forever, called source or static.
Homer
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(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
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Sat Apr 18 12:00:04 EDT 2020
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SELF DENYING SYLLOGISMS
If you state,
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything"
you are intending that this statement be used as:
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything.
Exhibit A is a syllogism
Therefore Exhibit A doesn't apply to anything"
The point is that merely MAKING THE STATEMENT syllogisms don't
apply to anything assumes and intends that they do.
People who build their philsophies around self denying statements
are all wind between the ears.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SELF DENYING SYLLOGISMS
If you state,
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything"
you are intending that this statement be used as:
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything.
Exhibit A is a syllogism
Therefore Exhibit A doesn't apply to anything"
The point is that merely MAKING THE STATEMENT syllogisms don't
apply to anything assumes and intends that they do.
People who build their philsophies around self denying statements
are all wind between the ears.
Homer
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(607) 277-0959 A Green Earth and Peace. Internet Access, Ithaca NY
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=========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===============
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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