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GAMES VI
CHOICE
The difference between an unaberrated game and an aberrated game is
desire to play born of choice to play.
In the absence of choice to play there can be no desire to play.
In the absence of desire to play, one will be unlikely to win.
In the presence of serious consequences to losing, the desire to
win can take precedence over the desire to play.
Thus the game becomes inverted because one is now trying to not
play by winning, and then one tries to win by not playing (getting
others to play for you), and finally one tries to not play by losing.
Since one must play, one will try to win by getting others to play
for him, to take the risks, and give him the rewards.
That's not playing you see.
Thus anyone trying to win by not playing is prone to ethics
violations (criminality).
That makes other people not want to play with them.
This leads to the spreading virus of preemption, if you can't win
against cheaters, you start to cheat yourself to get them before they
get you.
Rather than ethics being the norm, the norm becomes ethics.
Thus we have a dwindling spiral of personal relations and social
concourse.
These laws are inexorable, thus the only way to restore sanity to a
civilization is to restore choice.
That includes awareness that you have chosen, are choosing and will
continue to choose, in general if not in specific, whatever it is you
are doing.
Homer
GAMES
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games1
GAMES II
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games2
GAMES III
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games3
GAMES IV
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games4
GAMES V
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games5
GAMES VI
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games6
GAMES VII
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games7
GAMES VIII
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games8
GAMES IX
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games9
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DOUBT IS SELF CASTING
People think that being out of their body will prove that they are
not a body or better that they are eternal.
What actually happens is the being begins to wonder if they are
dreaming, and doubt being self casting, causes a crash and burn.
They then figure that if they are out of their body because the
body were dead, they would know for sure, but maybe they are just
hallucinating that the body is dead when in fact its still alive.
How would they know.
Just looking down upon a dead body doesn't prove squat.
"The problem with drugs is when you go up you see that all the shit
isn't true, but when you come down you wonder."
Doubt = wonder = crash and burn.
What the being WANTS is proof of eternality. The only thing that
can be eternal is a zero dimensional entitiy that HAS no space or time
to die in.
Only when the being can contact direct consciousness of Ex Temporal
Eternality, (timelessness), and can operate freely the flip flop from
out of time into time, will he then have the proof that he desires.
At that point he will probably be too busy going to sleep
forever to care.
Homer
Pip (pip1010@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
>Pragmatic definition of "proof": Whatever it takes to convince someone
>of something
>No matter what formula, ritual, or set of rules constitutes a "proof",
>it always boils down to proving something to someONE - a person. This
>person will be convinced by the proof. Then there is the degree of
>convincedness. Would you bet $10 on it, or stake your life on it? Where
>does "certainty" fit in? Everyone has different standards (or
>metaprograms) regarding proof also. For some you smile and they are
>convinced while others won't be convinced if it kills them. The
>"scientific method" is an attempt to define a "proof" acceptable to all,
>but it's just another standard that means nothing by itself. Same with
>mathematics. There is actually a very large tome dedicated to proving
>logically that 1 + 1 = 2*. If you were the only person on Earth, how
>would you prove things to yourself? That would be your standard. Well,
>you ARE the only person on Earth, when it comes to proof. Proof is
>personal.
>So let's say you want to see if one's consciousness can exist outside
>the brain or without a brain. What WOULD convince you it does? Would
>you be convinced if the Pope said it, you read it in a scholarly book,
>saw it on TV, had an OBE, an NDE, talked to a ghost, mocked up a past
>life experience, moved a pencil with your thoughts, none of the above?
>I suggest starting there. Design an experiment, practical or not, that
>would convince you, if that's possible. A proof is as a proof does. So
>if you were convinced, then what? Is it important? What would it mean?
> Meaning is as meaning does. How would it affect you, your thinking,
>or your life. Do you really want to know? Maybe not.
>Pip
>* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica
>**************************************************************
>> roboposter@lightlink.com wrote:
>>
>>>Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well ok, on the subject of proof it seems we are.
>>>
>>>
>>>That is true that one of my purposes is to get "proofs" about the
>>>spiritual domain.
>>>
>>>snip
>>>--
>>>Curiosus
>>>http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005
>>>
>>
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DOUBT IS SELF CASTING
People think that being out of their body will prove that they are
not a body or better that they are eternal.
What actually happens is the being begins to wonder if they are
dreaming, and doubt being self casting, causes a crash and burn.
They then figure that if they are out of their body because the
body were dead, they would know for sure, but maybe they are just
hallucinating that the body is dead when in fact its still alive.
How would they know.
Just looking down upon a dead body doesn't prove squat.
"The problem with drugs is when you go up you see that all the shit
isn't true, but when you come down you wonder."
Doubt = wonder = crash and burn.
What the being WANTS is proof of eternality. The only thing that
can be eternal is a zero dimensional entitiy that HAS no space or time
to die in.
Only when the being can contact direct consciousness of Ex Temporal
Eternality, (timelessness), and can operate freely the flip flop from
out of time into time, will he then have the proof that he desires.
At that point he will probably be too busy going to sleep
forever to care.
Homer
Pip (pip1010@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
>Pragmatic definition of "proof": Whatever it takes to convince someone
>of something
>No matter what formula, ritual, or set of rules constitutes a "proof",
>it always boils down to proving something to someONE - a person. This
>person will be convinced by the proof. Then there is the degree of
>convincedness. Would you bet $10 on it, or stake your life on it? Where
>does "certainty" fit in? Everyone has different standards (or
>metaprograms) regarding proof also. For some you smile and they are
>convinced while others won't be convinced if it kills them. The
>"scientific method" is an attempt to define a "proof" acceptable to all,
>but it's just another standard that means nothing by itself. Same with
>mathematics. There is actually a very large tome dedicated to proving
>logically that 1 + 1 = 2*. If you were the only person on Earth, how
>would you prove things to yourself? That would be your standard. Well,
>you ARE the only person on Earth, when it comes to proof. Proof is
>personal.
>So let's say you want to see if one's consciousness can exist outside
>the brain or without a brain. What WOULD convince you it does? Would
>you be convinced if the Pope said it, you read it in a scholarly book,
>saw it on TV, had an OBE, an NDE, talked to a ghost, mocked up a past
>life experience, moved a pencil with your thoughts, none of the above?
>I suggest starting there. Design an experiment, practical or not, that
>would convince you, if that's possible. A proof is as a proof does. So
>if you were convinced, then what? Is it important? What would it mean?
> Meaning is as meaning does. How would it affect you, your thinking,
>or your life. Do you really want to know? Maybe not.
>Pip
>* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica
>**************************************************************
>> roboposter@lightlink.com wrote:
>>
>>>Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well ok, on the subject of proof it seems we are.
>>>
>>>
>>>That is true that one of my purposes is to get "proofs" about the
>>>spiritual domain.
>>>
>>>snip
>>>--
>>>Curiosus
>>>http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005
>>>
>>
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GOD THE CHAMELEON
lamoore0777@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>Which brings up the question (in regard to the first): What, Homer, is
>the distinction, and or relationship, you draw, if any, between the
>word God, as you employ it, and the word Consciousness (as you
>experience it)?
"The existence of a multi faceted operating actuality is self
evident" - Sufi
"Perfect certainty that something exists is the root of all
sanity" - Adore.
Adore, which is a baby phase religion, puts it this way in 3 year
old words.
There is the Looker, the Looked Through and the Looked At.
The looker is the static of Hubbard, the awareness of awareness
unit of Scientology, and the conscious dream unit of Adore.
The Looked AT are our holographic conscious experiences such as
color, sound, taste and smell that we are aware off, also emotion,
thought etc. Also our self awareness of agency, intent, will,
volition, and The DOER.
The Looked Through is the illusion of space/time that 'separates'
the Looker from the Looked At.
The Looker and Looked At are in fact one thing, one event, one
causeeffect, which is why perfect certainty between them is possible.
If someone holds up two different colors in your consciousness,
you can learn with perfect certainty that they are in fact different
because you are looking directly at them, not at some later symbol
for them like a machine with a video camera does.
Certainty is impossible with mechanical learning.
The Looker is a God Unit, which has incarnated in the conscious
experience of space/time, thus is 'inside' of space/time as Creature,
rather than outside of space/time as Creator.
The static mocks up holograms of space/time in its own glow in
the dark self luminous fabric, and then individuates or incarnates
into viewpoints 'inside' that hologram of space/time.
The conscious experience of space/time does not itself take up
any space or time and thus provides an illusion of space and time in
which to play, a sleep dream in the Cosmic All where we all dream
together.
From there the individuated static confuses the existence of his
dream conscious experiences with non existent external physical
'actualities'. It believes that because he sees space and time, that
therefore there is space and time, and that the qualities of his
conscious pictures of space time acccurately reflect the qualities of
the actual space and time.
He will thus talk about red or green colored photons.
The being's conscious experience thus forms a virtual reality
machine for him to play in, accurate down to the last quark.
Scientists have wanted something to do for *EONS*, well they
finally devised a game that suits them.
As long as he can maintain the delusion that space/time is not an
illusion he can remain in the dream and not wake back up to Native
State.
Persistence depends on being certain of objects which do not
exist (physical universe) and not being certain of objects which do
exist (conscious experiences).
The absolute actuality then of his conscious experiences is
transferred onto the non existent physical referents, and thus he
becomes sure the physical universe exists independently of himself
being conscious of it, and he is no longer sure he exists at all
("maybe I am someone else's hallucination").
That's the level of inversion necessary to maintain a persistence
beyond the first sneeze.
He's thinking "I doubt I am, therefore I probably am not."
Truth is "I doubt I am, therefore certainly I am."
Doubt of anything is always perfect certainty of doubt.
Thus perfect certainty exists, and that which is perfectly
certain exists, namely the doubter, i.e. the Looker.
One can't be perfectly certain of something that is wrong.
One can pretend one can be, and then demean perfect certainty
later when one finds out one was wrong, but its a deceit designed to
destroy the light and validity of perfect certainty, in order to more
easily remain in the dream.
Thus being certain of what does not exist, and not being certain
of what does exist, reverses personal integrity to a point where the
being will never wake up until corrected.
Incarnation is not into a body but into an individuated viewpoint
of space/time.
Incarnation into a body is just the last step on its way to the
garbage pail.
The intent of incarnation is
"FUN, Finding and UNearthing unearthly hypocrisies.
The hypocrisy on Earth is so thick it is like a wall. You can
hammer nails into it and hang pictures of smiling faces from them.
Thrill is always the effort to get lost.
Romance is always the effort to get home.
Halcyon is bemused relief on the verge (of time).
The Halcyon winds of summer heal the cold cruel wounds of winter.
Mortals bow and pray to the God of Time, Stone and Dust in the
Wind, their *FAITH* not to be belittled.
Eternal Pride however is Eternal Home.
The whole world is a stage, because the whole universe is a
grave.
If Time Stone be Tomb Stone, then let wisdom be epitaph." - Adore
>To be clear, do you suppose that God *Has* Consciousness, as opposed to
>God *Being* Consciousness? And if so, wherein lies such a distinction?
>And what is that distinction? Between God and His Consciousness? (and
>the seemingly natural extroplation, being namely, what is the
>distinction You experience between You and Your Consciousness?)
Ain't been there, no clue.
>For myself, I find no such distinction, in substance. But find it, only
>in form. In other words, when I sleep the world vanishes. When I
>awaken, it appears. Thus perhaps God sleeps also? And this world is his
>nightmare. Or pleasant dream, as the case may be. Witness Saddam and
>Bush. One God, two dreams, simultaneously Being.
Adore says Native State is a state of fair chosen sleep. That
all manifestation (awakeness) is dream time.
Yes each I-AM of the multi I-AM AllThatIs is dreaming a different
dream within the context of one bigger dream called the physical
universe. This universe is many universes down from the first
one for this cycle of beings, and thus although the being thinks he is
in only one universe, he is in fact seeing this universe through all
the others as he never left them when descending into the next one
down.
>Back to the beginning then, when you pen: "there is no separation
>between God and anything that exists" I understand that, from my point
>of view, but am left wondering, what is it, in terms of specifics, or
>mechanics, or principle, from your point of view, or from your
>understanding, that *connects* God to anything that exists? Other than
>the fact that God is *Being* everything?
Consider the lowly LCD screen. That's God.
When it is blank, God is asleep, no manifestation.
Now consider the image of a ball on the LCD screen rolling along.
That is God having a dream of a space/time with a ball rolling
along in it.
Notice the dream is projected in the 'fabric' of God itself.
God is a zero dimensional (scalar) operating actuality which can
project images of multi dimensional realities (dreamtime) within
itself. The projections of space/time do not take up any actual
space/time and thus change the nature of God not at all.
>For example Homer, last night I had a dream. And I dreamed I was on a
>ship with a number of other men. And the sea's were violent, and the
>ship was tossing and turning, and the winds were tearing at the sails.
>And some of the men were screaming and some of the men were cowering
>and some of the men were gallantly fighting to save the vessel, whilst
>one man was holding onto the main mast, and praying.
>And then I woke up. Realizing, only upon awakening, that none of those
>men existed, in the absence of my consciousness, and creation, of them.
I disagree. Just as both you and I exist now, so did those
men in your dream. When you woke up, those men may or may not
have continued in their dream. The error is assigning it as YOUR
dream rather than as OUR dream.
The people in my dreams are just as real if not more so
than the people around me.
More intelligent, more creative, more beautiful, more evil,
more powerful, more awake. Sometimes not, but I run into some
lulu's almost every night.
Certainty of course for me is impossible on this subject, as I am
only certain of myself, but the more I talk with dream beings, the
more I poke them, the more I have come to consider it great arrogance
that there isn't other conscious units in them that feel and care and
give a damn just like me.
Most of them just seem a bit simpler that's all :)
But some of them are worthy of command.
Thus I now assume that if a being looks alive it is, either in
this waking dream or my sleep dreams. The more I have considered
such, the more alive they have become.
>Which makes for my understanding of your statement, from my point of
>view, regarding God and all of Creation. But doesn't enlighten me, in
>regard to yours.
>Which question restated is this: What is the distinction, and or
>relationship, you draw, if any, between the word God, as you employ it,
>and the word Consciousness (as you experience it)?
God's body glows, he lights it up for his own enjoyment.
"Source sources what source is not" - Adore
The purpose of manifesting glowingness is to have FUN and share
beauty of infinite peace via loss of infinite peace.
The *MECHANISMS* of that loss, the lies involved, are as
beautiful as what was lost, and thus for those who can see how it
works, the suffering man is a artwork masterpiece manifestation of
beauty, humor and infinite peace.
"The Golden Key
Tragedy and Travesty, Romance and Sin,
Miracles and Majesty, that's where I've been.
Miracles in Majesty, Romance and Song,
Tragedy and Travesty, that's where I've gone.
The fact that I'm still here, is PROOF don't you see?
In the OMNI LONG RUN, it's better to BE.
Halcyon and Thrill, High-Cool and Romance,
In Class and Free Fancy I chose to dance.
Pride is our willingness, our willingness to Be,
I Adore me forever, forever for free."
From Adore.
How I don't seem to have answered the question.
Consciousness is one function of the Multi I-AM God.
God's consciousness is how God perceives its own glow in the dark
light show called our experience of the virtual reality 'world,'
God is like a chameleon, his skin can change color, and that color
is what we see around us, only we ARE that God looking at its own skin.
Homer
>Thanks Homer,
>Lar
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lamoore0777@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>Which brings up the question (in regard to the first): What, Homer, is
>the distinction, and or relationship, you draw, if any, between the
>word God, as you employ it, and the word Consciousness (as you
>experience it)?
"The existence of a multi faceted operating actuality is self
evident" - Sufi
"Perfect certainty that something exists is the root of all
sanity" - Adore.
Adore, which is a baby phase religion, puts it this way in 3 year
old words.
There is the Looker, the Looked Through and the Looked At.
The looker is the static of Hubbard, the awareness of awareness
unit of Scientology, and the conscious dream unit of Adore.
The Looked AT are our holographic conscious experiences such as
color, sound, taste and smell that we are aware off, also emotion,
thought etc. Also our self awareness of agency, intent, will,
volition, and The DOER.
The Looked Through is the illusion of space/time that 'separates'
the Looker from the Looked At.
The Looker and Looked At are in fact one thing, one event, one
causeeffect, which is why perfect certainty between them is possible.
If someone holds up two different colors in your consciousness,
you can learn with perfect certainty that they are in fact different
because you are looking directly at them, not at some later symbol
for them like a machine with a video camera does.
Certainty is impossible with mechanical learning.
The Looker is a God Unit, which has incarnated in the conscious
experience of space/time, thus is 'inside' of space/time as Creature,
rather than outside of space/time as Creator.
The static mocks up holograms of space/time in its own glow in
the dark self luminous fabric, and then individuates or incarnates
into viewpoints 'inside' that hologram of space/time.
The conscious experience of space/time does not itself take up
any space or time and thus provides an illusion of space and time in
which to play, a sleep dream in the Cosmic All where we all dream
together.
From there the individuated static confuses the existence of his
dream conscious experiences with non existent external physical
'actualities'. It believes that because he sees space and time, that
therefore there is space and time, and that the qualities of his
conscious pictures of space time acccurately reflect the qualities of
the actual space and time.
He will thus talk about red or green colored photons.
The being's conscious experience thus forms a virtual reality
machine for him to play in, accurate down to the last quark.
Scientists have wanted something to do for *EONS*, well they
finally devised a game that suits them.
As long as he can maintain the delusion that space/time is not an
illusion he can remain in the dream and not wake back up to Native
State.
Persistence depends on being certain of objects which do not
exist (physical universe) and not being certain of objects which do
exist (conscious experiences).
The absolute actuality then of his conscious experiences is
transferred onto the non existent physical referents, and thus he
becomes sure the physical universe exists independently of himself
being conscious of it, and he is no longer sure he exists at all
("maybe I am someone else's hallucination").
That's the level of inversion necessary to maintain a persistence
beyond the first sneeze.
He's thinking "I doubt I am, therefore I probably am not."
Truth is "I doubt I am, therefore certainly I am."
Doubt of anything is always perfect certainty of doubt.
Thus perfect certainty exists, and that which is perfectly
certain exists, namely the doubter, i.e. the Looker.
One can't be perfectly certain of something that is wrong.
One can pretend one can be, and then demean perfect certainty
later when one finds out one was wrong, but its a deceit designed to
destroy the light and validity of perfect certainty, in order to more
easily remain in the dream.
Thus being certain of what does not exist, and not being certain
of what does exist, reverses personal integrity to a point where the
being will never wake up until corrected.
Incarnation is not into a body but into an individuated viewpoint
of space/time.
Incarnation into a body is just the last step on its way to the
garbage pail.
The intent of incarnation is
"FUN, Finding and UNearthing unearthly hypocrisies.
The hypocrisy on Earth is so thick it is like a wall. You can
hammer nails into it and hang pictures of smiling faces from them.
Thrill is always the effort to get lost.
Romance is always the effort to get home.
Halcyon is bemused relief on the verge (of time).
The Halcyon winds of summer heal the cold cruel wounds of winter.
Mortals bow and pray to the God of Time, Stone and Dust in the
Wind, their *FAITH* not to be belittled.
Eternal Pride however is Eternal Home.
The whole world is a stage, because the whole universe is a
grave.
If Time Stone be Tomb Stone, then let wisdom be epitaph." - Adore
>To be clear, do you suppose that God *Has* Consciousness, as opposed to
>God *Being* Consciousness? And if so, wherein lies such a distinction?
>And what is that distinction? Between God and His Consciousness? (and
>the seemingly natural extroplation, being namely, what is the
>distinction You experience between You and Your Consciousness?)
Ain't been there, no clue.
>For myself, I find no such distinction, in substance. But find it, only
>in form. In other words, when I sleep the world vanishes. When I
>awaken, it appears. Thus perhaps God sleeps also? And this world is his
>nightmare. Or pleasant dream, as the case may be. Witness Saddam and
>Bush. One God, two dreams, simultaneously Being.
Adore says Native State is a state of fair chosen sleep. That
all manifestation (awakeness) is dream time.
Yes each I-AM of the multi I-AM AllThatIs is dreaming a different
dream within the context of one bigger dream called the physical
universe. This universe is many universes down from the first
one for this cycle of beings, and thus although the being thinks he is
in only one universe, he is in fact seeing this universe through all
the others as he never left them when descending into the next one
down.
>Back to the beginning then, when you pen: "there is no separation
>between God and anything that exists" I understand that, from my point
>of view, but am left wondering, what is it, in terms of specifics, or
>mechanics, or principle, from your point of view, or from your
>understanding, that *connects* God to anything that exists? Other than
>the fact that God is *Being* everything?
Consider the lowly LCD screen. That's God.
When it is blank, God is asleep, no manifestation.
Now consider the image of a ball on the LCD screen rolling along.
That is God having a dream of a space/time with a ball rolling
along in it.
Notice the dream is projected in the 'fabric' of God itself.
God is a zero dimensional (scalar) operating actuality which can
project images of multi dimensional realities (dreamtime) within
itself. The projections of space/time do not take up any actual
space/time and thus change the nature of God not at all.
>For example Homer, last night I had a dream. And I dreamed I was on a
>ship with a number of other men. And the sea's were violent, and the
>ship was tossing and turning, and the winds were tearing at the sails.
>And some of the men were screaming and some of the men were cowering
>and some of the men were gallantly fighting to save the vessel, whilst
>one man was holding onto the main mast, and praying.
>And then I woke up. Realizing, only upon awakening, that none of those
>men existed, in the absence of my consciousness, and creation, of them.
I disagree. Just as both you and I exist now, so did those
men in your dream. When you woke up, those men may or may not
have continued in their dream. The error is assigning it as YOUR
dream rather than as OUR dream.
The people in my dreams are just as real if not more so
than the people around me.
More intelligent, more creative, more beautiful, more evil,
more powerful, more awake. Sometimes not, but I run into some
lulu's almost every night.
Certainty of course for me is impossible on this subject, as I am
only certain of myself, but the more I talk with dream beings, the
more I poke them, the more I have come to consider it great arrogance
that there isn't other conscious units in them that feel and care and
give a damn just like me.
Most of them just seem a bit simpler that's all :)
But some of them are worthy of command.
Thus I now assume that if a being looks alive it is, either in
this waking dream or my sleep dreams. The more I have considered
such, the more alive they have become.
>Which makes for my understanding of your statement, from my point of
>view, regarding God and all of Creation. But doesn't enlighten me, in
>regard to yours.
>Which question restated is this: What is the distinction, and or
>relationship, you draw, if any, between the word God, as you employ it,
>and the word Consciousness (as you experience it)?
God's body glows, he lights it up for his own enjoyment.
"Source sources what source is not" - Adore
The purpose of manifesting glowingness is to have FUN and share
beauty of infinite peace via loss of infinite peace.
The *MECHANISMS* of that loss, the lies involved, are as
beautiful as what was lost, and thus for those who can see how it
works, the suffering man is a artwork masterpiece manifestation of
beauty, humor and infinite peace.
"The Golden Key
Tragedy and Travesty, Romance and Sin,
Miracles and Majesty, that's where I've been.
Miracles in Majesty, Romance and Song,
Tragedy and Travesty, that's where I've gone.
The fact that I'm still here, is PROOF don't you see?
In the OMNI LONG RUN, it's better to BE.
Halcyon and Thrill, High-Cool and Romance,
In Class and Free Fancy I chose to dance.
Pride is our willingness, our willingness to Be,
I Adore me forever, forever for free."
From Adore.
How I don't seem to have answered the question.
Consciousness is one function of the Multi I-AM God.
God's consciousness is how God perceives its own glow in the dark
light show called our experience of the virtual reality 'world,'
God is like a chameleon, his skin can change color, and that color
is what we see around us, only we ARE that God looking at its own skin.
Homer
>Thanks Homer,
>Lar
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Tuesday, May 26, 2015
OVERWHELM, JUSTIFICATION AND RESTRAINT
Note: I don't usually post other's work to this list, but this
posting by Electra long ago was so seminal in getting my case moving
forward again, her message echoes in just about everything I have ever
written including ANDS, of which this was the first I was ever aware of.
This posting is long and in places highly complex and technical.
Follow the advice below and skip the processes if they are too complex,
and just read the text.
Homer
Here Electra makes the point that Apathy = Solution to problems
of anger and regret.
Again, skip the processes if you need to, just read the text.
Homer
((My comments in double parentheses - Homer))
OVERWHELM, JUSTIFICATION AND RESTRAINT
EXM - 40
ca. 1992
Copyright (C) 1992 A Voice of the Free Zone (Electra)
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
((This bulletin is the backbone of Electra's approach and you will
see its themes repeated over and over again in future postings.
I would add one item to the title and make it,
OVERWHELM, JUSTIFICATION, PUNISHMENT and RESTRAINT,
as this is how I had to audit it to make it work.
I would also point out that this material concentrates highly on
Overts and Withholds or Grade II, which ultimately is late on the chain.
Prior to overts are the problems the being was trying to solve by
committing the overts. And prior to those problems are the valences,
identities, beingnesses, terminals and goals that were involved in the
GPMS that gave rise to the problems in the first place.
So eventually you have to go earlier than being overwhelmed to
resolve a case, because the real problem is not that the being was
overwhelmed but that he WASN'T overwhelmed and could thus do things and
GET himself in trouble. This is where ultimately the core of the case
lies.
Thus you want to audit overwhelms only until the pc realizes that
overwhelms and apathies are SOLUTIONS to earlier problems. Remember the
PROBLEM that needs to be handled lies back in a time when the being
WASN'T overwhelmed. If you don't take up those earlier problems with
having power, being able, and NOT being overwhelmed, the being will
never give up his overwhelms. Electra makes this abundantly clear, but
I just wanted to make sure everyone got it.))
You can approach overwhelm a number of ways. The direct way is as
always, just plug it into the 8 flows of forgetfulness and run it until
it releases.
(1) "How have you overwhelmed a Child as a Parent in a past life?"
(2) "How has a Parent overwhelmed you as a Child in this life?"
(3) "How has a Child overwhelmed you as a Parent in a past life?"
(4) "How have you overwhelmed a Parent as a Child in this life?"
(5) "How has any Parent overwhelmed any Child in any life?"
(6) "How has any Child overwhelmed any Parent in any life?"
(7) "How have you overwhelmed yourself as a Parent in a past life?"
(8) "How have you overwhelmed yourself as a Child in this life?"
This is very heavy processing, so expect some fireworks to take
place while running this.
Surprisingly you may find that flows numbers 3 and 4 above are VERY
important. You ought to date the life time that you were a Parent and
had a Child that really taught you a lesson. Perhaps a lesson you
refused to acknowledge. It will be the same lesson you now as a child,
have been trying to teach your parents in this life.
What you are looking for in this past life is a glare fight of
magnitude where your Child won and you refused to admit it. That life
as a parent is the motivator for the overts you have been trying to
dramatize out of valence as a child against your parents in this life.
Possibly in such an incident lies the solution to the Black V case,
someone who sees all black when they close their eyes and can't get
images or pictures. The Black V refers to the fact that all 5 senses
are closed down on the memory/mockup level.
One is supposed to run this by asking "What could be worse than"
what ever condition the pc is complaining about. For example,
"What could be worse than being deaf, dumb and blind on the thetan
plane?"
Perhaps the answer is looking your child straight in the eyes and
knowing that you have lost their love forever.
You haven't of course, a little communication saying that he was
right and you're sorry will go a long way to patch things up. Sort of
like what you want from your parents in this life, you know?
Overwhelm basically affects a person's ability to BE, DO and HAVE.
It either forces a being to BE, DO or HAVE something or prevents a
person from BEING, DOING or HAVING something.
This can be run as follows.
"What are you being forced to BE?"
"What are you being forced to NOT BE?"
"What are you being forced to DO?"
"What are you being forced to NOT DO?"
"What are you being forced to HAVE?"
"What are you being forced to NOT HAVE?"
Of course if your pc gets sick of running motivators, then run the
overt side of it.
"What have you forced another to BE?"
"What have you forced another to NOT BE?"
"What have you forced another to DO?"
"What have you forced another to NOT DO?"
"What have you forced another to HAVE?"
"What have you forced another to NOT HAVE?"
etc.
You can break this down, if your pc wants, into the four planes of
existence.
"What have you forced another to BE on the physical plane?"
"What have you forced another to BE on the emotional plane?"
"What have you forced another to BE on the mental plane?"
"What have you forced another to BE on the spiritual plane?"
Or you can run it on the 8 flows of forgetfulness.
(1) "What have you forced a Child to BE as a Parent in a past life?"
(2) "What has a Parent forced you to BE as a Child in this life?"
etc.
As with any process, at first the pc will give you all the obvious
and trite answers off their case. Then they will give you that blank
stare, 'Who me? I don't know what your talking about!' Then they will
start answering the questions at a deeper level. Each time they run out
of answers, go on to the next question. As you cycle around them, you
will find they run deeper and deeper.
How do you know when to stop a particular process?
Well there are a number of stopping points. You and your pc can
come to some agreement about it according to your experience.
1.) When the pc has confidently given you 3 answers in a row with
out communication lag.
2.) When the process is no longer producing rise and fall of the
Tone Arm (NOT the needle!) on the E-meter.
3.) When the pc has a win or a minor cognition.
4.) When the pc has a major cognition.
5.) When the pc has attained an Ability Regained.
6.) When the pc has gone exterior.
NEVER run a process beyond numbers 4, 5 or 6. Never run a process
against a pc's will, or one that they are protesting utterly. Once they
get some experience with winning in auditing, they will know when they
are protesting to cop out, and when they are protesting because the
process is turning into a grind.
Almost any process can be run to a small win, thus if it starts to
grind just find out where the pc was last doing well with the process
and rehabilitate the win and then end off.
A process can contain a whole battery of questions such as given
above. You can run each question to where the pc gives your 3 answers
in a row without comm lag. Then you go on to the next question. When
all questions are flat in such a wise, you can stop the whole process.
But usually the pc will run out of answers on a question, and you go to
the next question and continue to do this to a big win.
THE THEORY OF OVERWHELM
The theory of overwhelm goes as follows. The being does something
that they regret. They now need a justifier for it. If something was
done to them prior that was bad enough, they will now use that motivator
as a justification for what they did. They weren't thinking about the
motivator when they committed their 'crime', but they are sure glad its
there once they need it.
If they do not have something prior bad enough to justify what they
did, they will wait until something is done to them that is bad enough
to justify it, or they will provoke someone into acting against them so
that they can have their motivator. Unfortunately such a motivator
comes AFTER what they did so can never justify it. This creates the
'black hole' effect.
A being in need of a justifier will use anything that comes his
way. The more horrible it is, THE MORE OVERWHELMING it is, the more he
can claim that it served his victim right what he did EARLIER to his
victim that he is feeling guilty about.
For example, there you are as a girl, and one day you have a
romance with a boy. This boy loves you and is loyal like no other boy
you have ever known. Just before you are set to get married, someone
whispers in your ear that this boy has been unfaithful to you. Its a
lie and you don't believe it, but a cold dark fear runs down your spine,
and you call off the wedding and leave town and never tell the boy why.
You were lacking some measure of personal courage.
The boy never finds out why you left him without word and
eventually he dies of a broken heart. Years later you finally have the
courage to come back to visit him, but when you get into town people
direct you to his grave.
On his tombstone it says 'Where ever you are, I love you
forever...'.
Well where you are is THERE, and the regret that you feel, the
error that you made, stay with you until the end of time.
It plays in the back of your mind when ever you have a new romance
in your future lives.
Then one day you run into another man and you have a wonderful
romance with him until one day he takes you home after dinner and rapes
the hell out of you leaving you bloody and bruised.
Suddenly you no longer feel guilty about having blown that other
boy off long ago because 'he deserved what he got because all men are
bad.' You see how it goes?
The more of an overwhelm you pull in, the more you can forget how
you have overwhelmed others. This is the justification side to
overwhelm.
But there is another side. Ever since you left that boy 15 life
times ago, the one who loved you so, you were totally confused about
yourself for ever afterwards. You couldn't trust yourself any more.
You didn't know if you would make the right decision if you ever again
met Mr. Right.
The whisper in your ear had put a doubt in your mind, and a fear
you could not shake. Thus the alloying of your courage and self
confidence with self doubt led you to run away rather than confront the
problem and find out the truth with certainty.
Was the boy a good person or a bad person?
Many lives later when you finally get raped by a bad person, you
conclude 'all men are bad', and so you decide to NEVER MARRY. This
means that you no longer have to worry about marrying anyone and hurting
them with your indecision and flakiness. Thus your overwhelm acts as a
restraint to prevent you from ever making the same kind of mistake again
and hurting another person that loves you.
Since you feel you can't determine with certainty whether a person
is a good person or bad person, its SAFER to just say that all men are
bad and be done with it.
The thought of another boy dying of a broken heart over your
indecision and lack of personal courage, is just too much to bear. Now
you no longer have the problem because obviously 'all men are bad'.
So who in their right mind would marry a man?
This is the restraint side to overwhelm. It restrains you from
doing wrong and hurting others.
The fixed idea 'all men are bad' is a service facsimile
COMPUTATION, a 'safe solution' to your problem of flaking off on your
lovers at the last moment. It helps you justify what you did, and
restrain yourself from doing it again. YOU'RE NO GOOD and you know it.
Thus you conclude 'all men are no good' because it keeps YOU from being
bad and hurting Mr. Right should he ever come along again.
It's called a service facsimile computation, because as a
computation that 'all men are bad', it will keep in chronic
restimulation the facsimile of the incident where one guy was bad to
you, namely the rape. Thus your body will hurt, you will bruise easily,
you will be terrified of the dark and you will be just SURE that you are
going to be raped at any moment. This will go on for lifetime after
lifetime whenever you are a girl.
The computation that 'all men are bad' makes sure that the rape
incident sticks to you thoroughly to remind you that 1.) it was ok to
flake off on your lover long ago, and that 2.) you should never go near
men again for THEIR OWN GOOD.
Then one life time you have a male body, but you still have the
facsimile of being raped as a girl BY A BOY in full restimulation, and
one day you go out of valence into the valence of the guy who raped you,
and YOU RAPE A GIRL. In your mind it 'serves that girl right for being
such a flake'. The computation becomes at this point, 'all girls are
flakes.'
You would know. It comes from your own experience with yourself!
A long ago forgotten and haunted FEMALE self.
Maybe some life times later you get sick of raping all these girls
life after life and you become a decent boy. You fall in love with a
beautiful girl who leaves you without a word on your wedding night.
Twenty years later you die all alone of a broken heart.
So you see we have come full circle. By this time you probably
think you live once and die once, and you have no clue about yourself as
a girl and the guy YOU left in tears so long ago.
And you never get over your broken heart as a boy because you never
got over the heart you broke as a girl.
Being a broken hearted boy is a final safe solution to having been
a flaky girl.
Being a flaky girl was a problem to you, a very big problem. Of
course being a broken hearted boy is also a problem to you. But being a
victim is far safer and preferable than being the one who did wrong.
So you will go on life after life being a broken hearted boy. It's
so cozy compared to the alternative. You will complain endlessly about
girls, about how you don't understand them, about how they don't care,
about how they always leave you. And you will always make VERY SURE you
only go out with girls that do leave you!
So as an auditor you ask them "What the hell have you done AS a
girl?!"
And they will say, "Who me? I've never been a girl!"
Right. You can know them by their mope.
People have a lot of this stuff confused with KARMA. A long time
ago there was an implant that said 'If you do wrong, you will just get
it right back.' It was basically a GOAL to have this happen and thetans
bought into it hook line and sinker and paid a lot of money for it.
You can't ever really make a thetan DO anything, you can't make him
have a body or be a slave. You can however give him a GOAL to be a body
or be a slave and attach some aesthetic to it to make it attractive.
and charge him a steep markup on it. Once he buys it the thetan
will do what ever you want him to do.
Thus one enslaves or imprisons a thetan by giving him goals to be
so abused and making them pretty and attractive, and that is the only
way to hold him. He holds himself. The suffering is just all too
beautiful to give up.
This karma implant has caused no end of confusion down the line as
people have tried and failed to understand why bad things happen to them
and why people's reactions to these things are so crazy.
The basic error in the implant is the idea that bad things happen
to you BECAUSE you have done wrong or feel guilty. The truth is, there
is no CAUSATION in it. Bad things merely happen. However there IS
something that you will need to understand thoroughly if you want to
help your preclears over their trauma.
HEALING
Take the girl in the above example. She ran away from her lover
who pined away and died of a broken heart wondering why the one girl he
had ever loved left him without even a good bye. The guy died alone,
never knowing the girl still loved him. She left him because she did
not TRUST HERSELF because of the person who whispered strange evil
nothings in her ear, the THIRD PARTY who put doubt in her mind as to who
her friends were.
Now this girl finds out long after her lover is dead and buried
what she has done, and she goes into a horror and regret about herself
the magnitude of which is probably unimaginable to those who have not
does this to themselves. This regret will follow her to the end of
her days.
In desperation she will look for a justifier for her actions, a
justifier either before or after her act. All thetans have this flaw,
no thetan can stand up alone to the supreme regret of an unconfessed
dashed love. Those who think they can are lying to themselves and
already haven't.
Many life times later, when she gets raped, she finds the justifier
she has been quietly praying for, for so many lives.
So here is where we must get straight on the subject of Karma. She
did not get raped BECAUSE she needed a justifier. Bad things happen.
Period. She may have never gotten her justifier. But then she would
have been unhappy to the end of time. Guilt is that way.
But boy was she relieved when she did get raped, because now she
could blame all her 'troubles' on men rather than confess the damage she
had wrought to her lover with her shallow and shortsighted heart.
If someone gets raped and they have never done anything themselves
that REMAINS REGRETTED AND UNCONFESSED in this or prior lives, it won't
stick to them. They get over it. Lesson learned. They chalk it up to
experience. But if they NEED that rape as a justifier, watch out. They
will NEVER get over it and although they will scream bloody murder to
the end of time, inside they will feel guilty and dirty.
THEY were raped, and THEY feel GUILTY. Strange eh?
Well now you know why.
You needn't bother telling people about this who are in this state
of mind because they don't want to know. But if perchance they do want
to know, the way you run it out is this.
"What does being raped justify?" (Earlier! not later.)
"What does being raped restrain?"
Run these two questions until you have a clean slate again and a
resolution of the original problem the person had that made them need
the rape as a justifier and a restraint.
Again I would emphasize that they didn't get raped BECAUSE they
needed a justifier, but boy did they have a good use for it when it came
along.
People do not get raped because they are guilty. Bad things
happen. Just note some people are praying for something to happen to
them to relieve the unconfessed burden of regret they carry along with
them.
It's how they handle the rape after it happens that lets you know
whether they had a use for it or not.
An awful lot of self righteous people are going to blow a fuse over
this material. I am sorry there is nothing I can do about it.
Have you ever had something really bad done to you and all you
could feel was guilty? The guilt is for something lost in your long
ago, and in fact is a corridor back into the past life you probably most
need to look at, at that time to regain your composure.
You can face what others do to you with unbelievable equanimity and
aplomb, almost God like serenity, as long as you yourself have a clean
heart. One dark corner though, one skeleton in your closet, and
everything everyone does to you becomes a nightmare, a reason for
revenge.
There are lots of girls who have been raped in this life without
having raped others as a man in a past life.
There are lots of men who rape in this life without having been
raped as a girl in a past life.
However SOME girls who were raped in this life, raped others as men
in a past life. That's their DED prior to the DEDEX in this life.
Just so, SOME men who rape in this life, were raped as a girl in a
past life. That's their MOTIVATOR prior to the OVERT in this life.
You gotta know this when you go to audit these people to help them
out of their trauma (overwhelm) or compulsive misdeeds.
You are never going to get some guy to give up raping girls in this
life if he is sitting in a life as a girl where he was gang banged and
hung out to dry for the bugs to eat.
You are never going to get some girl to give up her bitterness for
being raped in this life, if she is sitting in a life where she took
part as a male in that same gang bang.
People CAN be helped over their trauma and misdeeds, but you gotta
get the whole story or it just won't erase.
If it does erase, it will be GONE. The being will feel brand new,
like it never happened. Except of course for the clear analytical
memory remaining of the incident and what wisdom they may have gleaned
from the fact.
But it will be analytical, they won't feel IMPURE about it. They
won't be RUINED by it anymore. Things will be perfect and GOOD again.
And a sense of willingness, wonder and beauty about life will be
returned INCLUDING THE RAPE. Their concept of what life is about will
have also expanded a tad.
For those still screaming mad about DEDEX's in this life, get their
DEDS in past lives.
For those hell bent on committing OVERTS in this life, get their
MOTIVATORS in past lives.
You will win every time.
Just remember the valence switch. The girl who perpetually hates
men for hurting her in this life, WAS A MAN who hurt girls in a past
life, regretted it and then justified it when it came back at her in
this life.
The boy who perpetually hates women for hurting him in this life,
WAS A WOMAN who hurt boys in a past life, regretted it and then
justified it when it came back at him in this life.
It's real easy to spot. Find out who they are fuming about and
reverse it around. Use an E-meter if you have doubts. Just get the
OVERT - REGRET - REFUSED REGRET - JUSTIFICATION
cycle off the thing.
The screwy question you gotta ask them is,
"How does being hurt as a girl by a boy in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a boy as a girl in a past life?"
Past Life: Present Life;
You as Girl hurts Boy Boy hurts you as Girl
Answer: "All boys are bad because they hurt me as a girl in this
life, therefore it was ok for me as a girl to hurt a boy in a past
life."
"How does being hurt as a boy by a girl in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a girl as a boy in a past life?"
Past Life: Present Life:
You as Boy hurts Girl Girl hurts you as Boy
Answer: "All girls are bad because they hurt me as a boy in this
life, therefore it was ok for me as a boy to hurt a girl in a past life.
For Parent and Child its:
"How does being hurt as a Parent by a Child in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a Child as a Parent in a past
life?"
Past Life: Present life:
You as Parent hurts Child Child hurts you as Parent
Answer: All Children are bad because they hurt me as a Parent in
this life, therefore it was ok for me as a Parent to hurt a Child in a
past life.
"How does being hurt as a Child by a Parent in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a Parent as a Child in a past
life?"
Past Life: Present life:
You as Child hurts Child Parent hurts you as Child
Answer: All Parents are bad because they hurt me as a Child in this
life, therefore it was ok for me as a Child to hurt a Parent in a past
life.
It's screwy as hell, but people are doing this full time and
calling it their lives.
Thus when you find a being in a high state of overwhelm you know
that what ever is wrong with them is acting both as a justification for
what they did not confess long ago, and as a restraint to make sure they
never make the same mistake again.
Overwhelms, once they happen and the being glues them to himself,
POKE THE BEING, and so act to motivate the being to dramatize the
villains in them and continue to hurt others more. Thus the being not
only uses the overwhelm to justify what he did BEFORE he received the
overwhelm, he will also use it to justify going on a continuous rampage
and doing it again for the rest of time, over and over again.
If she was raped by a boy as a girl, she will go on a rampage
against boys because she is poking herself uncontrollably with the
facsimile of the rape, which hurt like hell, but which is being KEPT in
restimulation to ameliorate her past life guilt for having hurt a body
for no good reason.
The STRANGE thing is, she in her next life AS A BOY will go on a
rampage about girls by raping them on and on.
The being will alternate between being restrained and subdued, and
being murderously crazy both as a girl and as a boy.
REMEMBER MOTIVATORS ONLY STICK IF THEY ARE BEING *USED* TO ASSUAGE OR
JUSTIY A PRIOR OR EVEN LATER REGRET.
Regret is fair chosen and indicates the basic underlying goodness
and sensitivity of the being hitting them back in the face after doing
someone wrong. If the being has not felt regret (yet), there will be
no motivator stickiness.
One can audit this very directly.
"What does being overwhelmed justify you being, doing or having?"
"What does being overwhelmed justify you NOT being, doing or having?"
"What does being overwhelmed restrain you from being, doing or having?"
"What does being overwhelmed restrain you from NOT being, doing or
or having?"
((These are multiple questions, I would break them up into single
questions.
"What does being overwhelmed justify you being?"
"What does being overwhelmed justify you doing?"
"What does being overwhelmed justify you having?"
etc.))
Or more brutally,
"What does being overwhelmed justify?"
"What does being overwhelmed restrain?"
If your pc does not grok "overwhelmed" you can run,
"What does overwhelmed mean?"
until they get a very good personal reality on what THEY mean by
being overwhelmed.
You can also list out using an E-meter a question like,
"What is overwhelming you?"
They will list out things like death, loneliness, no comm lines,
being in a body, etc. Pick out the one that reads the most when they
say it, or the one they are the most interested in and run it as above.
For example, say "no communication lines as a child" reads the most or
is the most on the pc"s mind. You would run,
"What does 'having no comm lines as a child' justify?"
"What does 'having no comm lines as a child' restrain?"
If you need to you can fill out the sentence to,
"What does 'no comm lines' justify you being, doing or having?"
"What does 'no comm lines' restrain you from being, doing or
having?"
Word the item in the shortest way possible that makes the pc happy.
Make sure the pc understands the question too!
When that process is flat or taken to a win, pick up the next
reading item on the pc"s overwhelm list and run it if the pc is still
interested in it. The pc may come up with new items as their idea of
overwhelm changes, and their overwhelms as-is.
Of course a very direct approach is also possible.
"How have you been overwhelmed?"
"How have you overwhelmed others?"
or
"How are you being overwhelmed?"
"How are you overwhelming or trying to overwhelm others?"
or
"How will you be overwhelmed?"
"How will you overwhelm or try to overwhelm others?"
etc.
If the 8 flows of forgetfulness drive you crazy you can shorten it
to,
"How could a Parent overwhelm a Child?"
"How could a Child overwhelm a Parent?"
or even,
"What overwhelm is there?" (assumes all flows).
If your pc wants to run higher material, earlier than bodies, you
can use,
"How could another overwhelm you?"
"How could you overwhelm another?"
However I think you will find they eventually come back to Mother
and Son, or Father and Daughter or some such thing. It really does need
to be handled, being at the end of a very long chain of glare fights and
doing people in.
One last thing. Don't expect to vanish every overwhelm the pc has
just by running it on these processes. Most people are not even up to
recognizing that they are overwhelmed, and when they are they will
usually be concentrating on their human overwhelms, and not their OT
overwhelms.
Also remember that overwhelms are a SAFE SOLUTION to a being, thus
in a way they are NOT overwhelms to him because they protect him from
greater overwhelms, or so he thinks. Thus when you list for your pc's
overwhelms, he may list really theetie wheetie material, skirting the
obvious issues of his life. You should run what he gives you. His idea
of what an overwhelm is will change, especially once he sees that he is
using them to protect himself from the *REGRET* of having overwhelmed
others.
Pulling in motivators to deal with prior regrets is a bad effort of
finding redemption with one's self and the other that one hurt which
every regret demands.
Redemption never comes from jusitifcation, regret or self
punishment.
((Redemption comes from putting it there, the whole while in which
the cycle of fall happened.))
If you as an auditor just bluntly remind the pc that he left his 2
inch thick eyeglasses off his overwhelm list, he will probably say back
to you "Oh no, that's not an overwhelm, that's SAVING MY ASS!"
Sure it is. You can try and talk him out of it, but you will just
ARC Break your pc because he can't see far enough down the road to know
you are right. Eventually he will come around and want to run it and he
will see you were right all along. Avoid telling him "I told you so!"
((This is part why audior's charge their pc's to work on them, it
helps the auditor to keep his temper while his pc spews endless blame on
everyone including himself in order to avoid simply putting it there and
taking full responsibility for all parts of the event.))
You have the right as an auditor to not audit someone if they are
too theetie wheetie, that's just another form of inaccessibility and
there are plenty of worthwhile people just screaming for good auditing
who can admit their deceits.
Run each overwhelm item to a win or until flat. If you do this
thoroughly the pc will start to gain a new consciousness about overwhelm
and will begin to respond to life in a new way. He won't be as prone to
solving his problems and guilts by being overwhelmed! He will
understand the proper route to self redemption and be able to help
others on the same path.
And when he does continue to use justification and restraint to
solve his problems, he will at least know he is doing it. At the very
least you will have increased his awareness of responsibility for being
overwhelmed. This will start a slow climb upwards, rather than a
persistent sinking downwards.
It is possible to produce spectacular case gain, or tremendous
emotional releases during a session, but sometimes, the case gain that
comes from a session is very quiet and happens during the days after the
session is over.
Sure, case gain is being able to get out of your body and fly off
to the Van Allen Belts, but case gain is also being able to work with
your boss for an hour and find some peace at the end of it rather than
sea sickness. It's actually quite a joy to be able to work and not find
yourself lower at the end of a day.
Case gain is also not getting enturbulated by the craziness AND
OVERWHELMS of others, including THEIR justifications and restraints, and
being able to see and hold onto the hope and knowledge that people
really can be helped.
If you run overwhelm thoroughly enough on a pc who is ready for it
with lots of earlier auditing, you will eventually come up to handling
OT III which is everyone ELSE's overwhelm including all those pesky Body
Thetans nobody believes in. OT III is such a long process only because
you have to audit everyone else out of THEIR overwhelm! At least those
who are bugging you.
So you had better be a good auditor. It starts with yourself, your
parents, your wife and children, your friends and those who you work
with during the day. It also starts with a thorough and unshakable
understanding of HELP, CONTROL, COMMUNICATION, INTEREST and HAVINGNESS.
The end result is worth it, Freedom from Overwhelm and Awareness of
Self as an Immortal Being, not to mention return of powers to act on
your own determinism. You might even get to chose your next life and
parents if you do it right.
There are a lot of present day OT's who will want good parents in
their immediate next life. THEY are up to choosing their parents. Are
you up to providing them the home and safe space they so desire? Do you
want an OT child?
Where are all the Old Timers going to go in the next 10 to 20 years
for Parents?
When it comes time for you to be OT and choose your next parents,
will there BE any parents you will want to have? Or will the planet be
a Zombie Zone, a worthless wasteland of arrogant zombies and sniveling
cowards?
Well if you want people out there who can help you as a child when
you come back you had better put them there by helping them first as a
parent NOW, while you can.
The technology is available to do this.
You know helping people is not a matter of doing something strange
to them, something new or alien or dangerous. People have help mixed up
with Chemistry or Magic, or something a Doctor dispenses from his Black
Magic Bag. This comes from a childhood time when the only help there
was was being saved by an aspirin or a drug and never knowing why it
worked.
You know people think that help means only helping someone who is
down and out, someone who is DAMAGED, helping them to recover their
functionality in life. Yes this is help, but people also help each
other during the normal course of day to day action, any cooperation at
all is just people working in tandem 'helping' each other play the game.
Help doesn't always mean help from DAMAGE.
Help is any form of cooperation.
Help is TEAM PLAY.
Help is really any cooperative CO-ACTION. People were doing just
fine acting together and helping each other in the dance of life, until
they got screwed up on the MOTIVATOR-OVERT and DED-DEDEX sequences. In
other words helping by harming, at first accidentally, and then on
purpose. The resulting regret, justifications, withholds and NO ACTION
put a permanent damper on their production and joy in life.
Thus believe it or not, helping people consists mainly of
rehabilitating their ability to help people! This may sound idiotic and
circular, but really auditing is just the action of getting people back
into the swing of life and willing to interact again and 'help' each
other in the normal course of action without the fear of hurting each
other and getting into uncontrollable angers, regrets, justifications,
withholds and self-restraint.
The idea that being 'mortal' and stuck in a body are the result of
efforts to help gone awry may stretch your imagination, but it is none
the less true. Thus one can regain one's status as an Eternal Being by
auditing help and its demise.
"How did becoming mortal help anyone?"
Help comes naturally to people who are on their Basic Purposes and
have people to team up with. There is unhappiness in life because there
are no more teams and no more goals, and people are full of safe
solutions like forgetting their pasts and thinking they live only once.
Not to mention exile, imprisonment, enslavement and entombment.
Thus help is not magic, it is not medicine, it is not chemistry, it
is not witchcraft or a sorcerer's spell. It is not doing something
arcane, mysterious, alien, strange or specialized that only the learned
can know how to do.
Help is only getting people to look at, and re-evaluate how they
have tried to help each other in the past, and the short sightedness of
their solutions and the ultimate abandonment, entombment and demise that
it led to.
The whole world we are stuck in, the whole mess, is merely the
result of all the wrong turns we took on the road to helping each other
survive as Immortal Beings! ((She means Eternal.))
This is the message of Scientology. There IS NO MAGIC but the
magic of one's own Spiritual and Eternal Sovereignty. THAT's the weird
stuff.
HELP is as humble as apple pie. One helps people by helping them
RESTORE the help and co action they were indulging in before you ever
came along. You do this by gleaning the confession, by relieving people
of the burden of undischarged anger, regret and grief and sending them
on their way.
The result is humor, joy and peace. And LOTS of ACTION.
And a stunning self confidence that would make you smile as wide as
the sky.
But that's not the magic of Scientology, that's the magic of YOU.
Scientology is just the codification of the obvious way to help
people after it all went wrong. Remember it went wrong on PURPOSE. You
can't hand a thetan any condition without selling him a pretty goal to
have that condition.
Seller: "Yo! Here's some hell and damnation, ain't it pretty?"
Thetan: "Whoa, cool. Hey thanks man, how much?"
Seller: "All you got."
((If you can CREATE the disaster, you can uncreate simply by
putting it there again by spanning the while in which it lives.))
Making a mess was just another pretty goal the thetan bought or
made for himself.
Fortunately the thetan also bought the goal to CLEAN IT ALL UP, in
order to guarantee himself a way out.
But the magic, the mystery of it all, the chemistry if you wish, is
not in the help that we use to clean it all up, but lies in the fact
that we are all here in the first place with this game to play, this
love to give, and this incredible experience to share with each other.
For where else could we have come back from the bottom of Hell, and
live to tell the tale?
Electra
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posting by Electra long ago was so seminal in getting my case moving
forward again, her message echoes in just about everything I have ever
written including ANDS, of which this was the first I was ever aware of.
This posting is long and in places highly complex and technical.
Follow the advice below and skip the processes if they are too complex,
and just read the text.
Homer
Here Electra makes the point that Apathy = Solution to problems
of anger and regret.
Again, skip the processes if you need to, just read the text.
Homer
((My comments in double parentheses - Homer))
OVERWHELM, JUSTIFICATION AND RESTRAINT
EXM - 40
ca. 1992
Copyright (C) 1992 A Voice of the Free Zone (Electra)
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
((This bulletin is the backbone of Electra's approach and you will
see its themes repeated over and over again in future postings.
I would add one item to the title and make it,
OVERWHELM, JUSTIFICATION, PUNISHMENT and RESTRAINT,
as this is how I had to audit it to make it work.
I would also point out that this material concentrates highly on
Overts and Withholds or Grade II, which ultimately is late on the chain.
Prior to overts are the problems the being was trying to solve by
committing the overts. And prior to those problems are the valences,
identities, beingnesses, terminals and goals that were involved in the
GPMS that gave rise to the problems in the first place.
So eventually you have to go earlier than being overwhelmed to
resolve a case, because the real problem is not that the being was
overwhelmed but that he WASN'T overwhelmed and could thus do things and
GET himself in trouble. This is where ultimately the core of the case
lies.
Thus you want to audit overwhelms only until the pc realizes that
overwhelms and apathies are SOLUTIONS to earlier problems. Remember the
PROBLEM that needs to be handled lies back in a time when the being
WASN'T overwhelmed. If you don't take up those earlier problems with
having power, being able, and NOT being overwhelmed, the being will
never give up his overwhelms. Electra makes this abundantly clear, but
I just wanted to make sure everyone got it.))
You can approach overwhelm a number of ways. The direct way is as
always, just plug it into the 8 flows of forgetfulness and run it until
it releases.
(1) "How have you overwhelmed a Child as a Parent in a past life?"
(2) "How has a Parent overwhelmed you as a Child in this life?"
(3) "How has a Child overwhelmed you as a Parent in a past life?"
(4) "How have you overwhelmed a Parent as a Child in this life?"
(5) "How has any Parent overwhelmed any Child in any life?"
(6) "How has any Child overwhelmed any Parent in any life?"
(7) "How have you overwhelmed yourself as a Parent in a past life?"
(8) "How have you overwhelmed yourself as a Child in this life?"
This is very heavy processing, so expect some fireworks to take
place while running this.
Surprisingly you may find that flows numbers 3 and 4 above are VERY
important. You ought to date the life time that you were a Parent and
had a Child that really taught you a lesson. Perhaps a lesson you
refused to acknowledge. It will be the same lesson you now as a child,
have been trying to teach your parents in this life.
What you are looking for in this past life is a glare fight of
magnitude where your Child won and you refused to admit it. That life
as a parent is the motivator for the overts you have been trying to
dramatize out of valence as a child against your parents in this life.
Possibly in such an incident lies the solution to the Black V case,
someone who sees all black when they close their eyes and can't get
images or pictures. The Black V refers to the fact that all 5 senses
are closed down on the memory/mockup level.
One is supposed to run this by asking "What could be worse than"
what ever condition the pc is complaining about. For example,
"What could be worse than being deaf, dumb and blind on the thetan
plane?"
Perhaps the answer is looking your child straight in the eyes and
knowing that you have lost their love forever.
You haven't of course, a little communication saying that he was
right and you're sorry will go a long way to patch things up. Sort of
like what you want from your parents in this life, you know?
Overwhelm basically affects a person's ability to BE, DO and HAVE.
It either forces a being to BE, DO or HAVE something or prevents a
person from BEING, DOING or HAVING something.
This can be run as follows.
"What are you being forced to BE?"
"What are you being forced to NOT BE?"
"What are you being forced to DO?"
"What are you being forced to NOT DO?"
"What are you being forced to HAVE?"
"What are you being forced to NOT HAVE?"
Of course if your pc gets sick of running motivators, then run the
overt side of it.
"What have you forced another to BE?"
"What have you forced another to NOT BE?"
"What have you forced another to DO?"
"What have you forced another to NOT DO?"
"What have you forced another to HAVE?"
"What have you forced another to NOT HAVE?"
etc.
You can break this down, if your pc wants, into the four planes of
existence.
"What have you forced another to BE on the physical plane?"
"What have you forced another to BE on the emotional plane?"
"What have you forced another to BE on the mental plane?"
"What have you forced another to BE on the spiritual plane?"
Or you can run it on the 8 flows of forgetfulness.
(1) "What have you forced a Child to BE as a Parent in a past life?"
(2) "What has a Parent forced you to BE as a Child in this life?"
etc.
As with any process, at first the pc will give you all the obvious
and trite answers off their case. Then they will give you that blank
stare, 'Who me? I don't know what your talking about!' Then they will
start answering the questions at a deeper level. Each time they run out
of answers, go on to the next question. As you cycle around them, you
will find they run deeper and deeper.
How do you know when to stop a particular process?
Well there are a number of stopping points. You and your pc can
come to some agreement about it according to your experience.
1.) When the pc has confidently given you 3 answers in a row with
out communication lag.
2.) When the process is no longer producing rise and fall of the
Tone Arm (NOT the needle!) on the E-meter.
3.) When the pc has a win or a minor cognition.
4.) When the pc has a major cognition.
5.) When the pc has attained an Ability Regained.
6.) When the pc has gone exterior.
NEVER run a process beyond numbers 4, 5 or 6. Never run a process
against a pc's will, or one that they are protesting utterly. Once they
get some experience with winning in auditing, they will know when they
are protesting to cop out, and when they are protesting because the
process is turning into a grind.
Almost any process can be run to a small win, thus if it starts to
grind just find out where the pc was last doing well with the process
and rehabilitate the win and then end off.
A process can contain a whole battery of questions such as given
above. You can run each question to where the pc gives your 3 answers
in a row without comm lag. Then you go on to the next question. When
all questions are flat in such a wise, you can stop the whole process.
But usually the pc will run out of answers on a question, and you go to
the next question and continue to do this to a big win.
THE THEORY OF OVERWHELM
The theory of overwhelm goes as follows. The being does something
that they regret. They now need a justifier for it. If something was
done to them prior that was bad enough, they will now use that motivator
as a justification for what they did. They weren't thinking about the
motivator when they committed their 'crime', but they are sure glad its
there once they need it.
If they do not have something prior bad enough to justify what they
did, they will wait until something is done to them that is bad enough
to justify it, or they will provoke someone into acting against them so
that they can have their motivator. Unfortunately such a motivator
comes AFTER what they did so can never justify it. This creates the
'black hole' effect.
A being in need of a justifier will use anything that comes his
way. The more horrible it is, THE MORE OVERWHELMING it is, the more he
can claim that it served his victim right what he did EARLIER to his
victim that he is feeling guilty about.
For example, there you are as a girl, and one day you have a
romance with a boy. This boy loves you and is loyal like no other boy
you have ever known. Just before you are set to get married, someone
whispers in your ear that this boy has been unfaithful to you. Its a
lie and you don't believe it, but a cold dark fear runs down your spine,
and you call off the wedding and leave town and never tell the boy why.
You were lacking some measure of personal courage.
The boy never finds out why you left him without word and
eventually he dies of a broken heart. Years later you finally have the
courage to come back to visit him, but when you get into town people
direct you to his grave.
On his tombstone it says 'Where ever you are, I love you
forever...'.
Well where you are is THERE, and the regret that you feel, the
error that you made, stay with you until the end of time.
It plays in the back of your mind when ever you have a new romance
in your future lives.
Then one day you run into another man and you have a wonderful
romance with him until one day he takes you home after dinner and rapes
the hell out of you leaving you bloody and bruised.
Suddenly you no longer feel guilty about having blown that other
boy off long ago because 'he deserved what he got because all men are
bad.' You see how it goes?
The more of an overwhelm you pull in, the more you can forget how
you have overwhelmed others. This is the justification side to
overwhelm.
But there is another side. Ever since you left that boy 15 life
times ago, the one who loved you so, you were totally confused about
yourself for ever afterwards. You couldn't trust yourself any more.
You didn't know if you would make the right decision if you ever again
met Mr. Right.
The whisper in your ear had put a doubt in your mind, and a fear
you could not shake. Thus the alloying of your courage and self
confidence with self doubt led you to run away rather than confront the
problem and find out the truth with certainty.
Was the boy a good person or a bad person?
Many lives later when you finally get raped by a bad person, you
conclude 'all men are bad', and so you decide to NEVER MARRY. This
means that you no longer have to worry about marrying anyone and hurting
them with your indecision and flakiness. Thus your overwhelm acts as a
restraint to prevent you from ever making the same kind of mistake again
and hurting another person that loves you.
Since you feel you can't determine with certainty whether a person
is a good person or bad person, its SAFER to just say that all men are
bad and be done with it.
The thought of another boy dying of a broken heart over your
indecision and lack of personal courage, is just too much to bear. Now
you no longer have the problem because obviously 'all men are bad'.
So who in their right mind would marry a man?
This is the restraint side to overwhelm. It restrains you from
doing wrong and hurting others.
The fixed idea 'all men are bad' is a service facsimile
COMPUTATION, a 'safe solution' to your problem of flaking off on your
lovers at the last moment. It helps you justify what you did, and
restrain yourself from doing it again. YOU'RE NO GOOD and you know it.
Thus you conclude 'all men are no good' because it keeps YOU from being
bad and hurting Mr. Right should he ever come along again.
It's called a service facsimile computation, because as a
computation that 'all men are bad', it will keep in chronic
restimulation the facsimile of the incident where one guy was bad to
you, namely the rape. Thus your body will hurt, you will bruise easily,
you will be terrified of the dark and you will be just SURE that you are
going to be raped at any moment. This will go on for lifetime after
lifetime whenever you are a girl.
The computation that 'all men are bad' makes sure that the rape
incident sticks to you thoroughly to remind you that 1.) it was ok to
flake off on your lover long ago, and that 2.) you should never go near
men again for THEIR OWN GOOD.
Then one life time you have a male body, but you still have the
facsimile of being raped as a girl BY A BOY in full restimulation, and
one day you go out of valence into the valence of the guy who raped you,
and YOU RAPE A GIRL. In your mind it 'serves that girl right for being
such a flake'. The computation becomes at this point, 'all girls are
flakes.'
You would know. It comes from your own experience with yourself!
A long ago forgotten and haunted FEMALE self.
Maybe some life times later you get sick of raping all these girls
life after life and you become a decent boy. You fall in love with a
beautiful girl who leaves you without a word on your wedding night.
Twenty years later you die all alone of a broken heart.
So you see we have come full circle. By this time you probably
think you live once and die once, and you have no clue about yourself as
a girl and the guy YOU left in tears so long ago.
And you never get over your broken heart as a boy because you never
got over the heart you broke as a girl.
Being a broken hearted boy is a final safe solution to having been
a flaky girl.
Being a flaky girl was a problem to you, a very big problem. Of
course being a broken hearted boy is also a problem to you. But being a
victim is far safer and preferable than being the one who did wrong.
So you will go on life after life being a broken hearted boy. It's
so cozy compared to the alternative. You will complain endlessly about
girls, about how you don't understand them, about how they don't care,
about how they always leave you. And you will always make VERY SURE you
only go out with girls that do leave you!
So as an auditor you ask them "What the hell have you done AS a
girl?!"
And they will say, "Who me? I've never been a girl!"
Right. You can know them by their mope.
People have a lot of this stuff confused with KARMA. A long time
ago there was an implant that said 'If you do wrong, you will just get
it right back.' It was basically a GOAL to have this happen and thetans
bought into it hook line and sinker and paid a lot of money for it.
You can't ever really make a thetan DO anything, you can't make him
have a body or be a slave. You can however give him a GOAL to be a body
or be a slave and attach some aesthetic to it to make it attractive.
and charge him a steep markup on it. Once he buys it the thetan
will do what ever you want him to do.
Thus one enslaves or imprisons a thetan by giving him goals to be
so abused and making them pretty and attractive, and that is the only
way to hold him. He holds himself. The suffering is just all too
beautiful to give up.
This karma implant has caused no end of confusion down the line as
people have tried and failed to understand why bad things happen to them
and why people's reactions to these things are so crazy.
The basic error in the implant is the idea that bad things happen
to you BECAUSE you have done wrong or feel guilty. The truth is, there
is no CAUSATION in it. Bad things merely happen. However there IS
something that you will need to understand thoroughly if you want to
help your preclears over their trauma.
HEALING
Take the girl in the above example. She ran away from her lover
who pined away and died of a broken heart wondering why the one girl he
had ever loved left him without even a good bye. The guy died alone,
never knowing the girl still loved him. She left him because she did
not TRUST HERSELF because of the person who whispered strange evil
nothings in her ear, the THIRD PARTY who put doubt in her mind as to who
her friends were.
Now this girl finds out long after her lover is dead and buried
what she has done, and she goes into a horror and regret about herself
the magnitude of which is probably unimaginable to those who have not
does this to themselves. This regret will follow her to the end of
her days.
In desperation she will look for a justifier for her actions, a
justifier either before or after her act. All thetans have this flaw,
no thetan can stand up alone to the supreme regret of an unconfessed
dashed love. Those who think they can are lying to themselves and
already haven't.
Many life times later, when she gets raped, she finds the justifier
she has been quietly praying for, for so many lives.
So here is where we must get straight on the subject of Karma. She
did not get raped BECAUSE she needed a justifier. Bad things happen.
Period. She may have never gotten her justifier. But then she would
have been unhappy to the end of time. Guilt is that way.
But boy was she relieved when she did get raped, because now she
could blame all her 'troubles' on men rather than confess the damage she
had wrought to her lover with her shallow and shortsighted heart.
If someone gets raped and they have never done anything themselves
that REMAINS REGRETTED AND UNCONFESSED in this or prior lives, it won't
stick to them. They get over it. Lesson learned. They chalk it up to
experience. But if they NEED that rape as a justifier, watch out. They
will NEVER get over it and although they will scream bloody murder to
the end of time, inside they will feel guilty and dirty.
THEY were raped, and THEY feel GUILTY. Strange eh?
Well now you know why.
You needn't bother telling people about this who are in this state
of mind because they don't want to know. But if perchance they do want
to know, the way you run it out is this.
"What does being raped justify?" (Earlier! not later.)
"What does being raped restrain?"
Run these two questions until you have a clean slate again and a
resolution of the original problem the person had that made them need
the rape as a justifier and a restraint.
Again I would emphasize that they didn't get raped BECAUSE they
needed a justifier, but boy did they have a good use for it when it came
along.
People do not get raped because they are guilty. Bad things
happen. Just note some people are praying for something to happen to
them to relieve the unconfessed burden of regret they carry along with
them.
It's how they handle the rape after it happens that lets you know
whether they had a use for it or not.
An awful lot of self righteous people are going to blow a fuse over
this material. I am sorry there is nothing I can do about it.
Have you ever had something really bad done to you and all you
could feel was guilty? The guilt is for something lost in your long
ago, and in fact is a corridor back into the past life you probably most
need to look at, at that time to regain your composure.
You can face what others do to you with unbelievable equanimity and
aplomb, almost God like serenity, as long as you yourself have a clean
heart. One dark corner though, one skeleton in your closet, and
everything everyone does to you becomes a nightmare, a reason for
revenge.
There are lots of girls who have been raped in this life without
having raped others as a man in a past life.
There are lots of men who rape in this life without having been
raped as a girl in a past life.
However SOME girls who were raped in this life, raped others as men
in a past life. That's their DED prior to the DEDEX in this life.
Just so, SOME men who rape in this life, were raped as a girl in a
past life. That's their MOTIVATOR prior to the OVERT in this life.
You gotta know this when you go to audit these people to help them
out of their trauma (overwhelm) or compulsive misdeeds.
You are never going to get some guy to give up raping girls in this
life if he is sitting in a life as a girl where he was gang banged and
hung out to dry for the bugs to eat.
You are never going to get some girl to give up her bitterness for
being raped in this life, if she is sitting in a life where she took
part as a male in that same gang bang.
People CAN be helped over their trauma and misdeeds, but you gotta
get the whole story or it just won't erase.
If it does erase, it will be GONE. The being will feel brand new,
like it never happened. Except of course for the clear analytical
memory remaining of the incident and what wisdom they may have gleaned
from the fact.
But it will be analytical, they won't feel IMPURE about it. They
won't be RUINED by it anymore. Things will be perfect and GOOD again.
And a sense of willingness, wonder and beauty about life will be
returned INCLUDING THE RAPE. Their concept of what life is about will
have also expanded a tad.
For those still screaming mad about DEDEX's in this life, get their
DEDS in past lives.
For those hell bent on committing OVERTS in this life, get their
MOTIVATORS in past lives.
You will win every time.
Just remember the valence switch. The girl who perpetually hates
men for hurting her in this life, WAS A MAN who hurt girls in a past
life, regretted it and then justified it when it came back at her in
this life.
The boy who perpetually hates women for hurting him in this life,
WAS A WOMAN who hurt boys in a past life, regretted it and then
justified it when it came back at him in this life.
It's real easy to spot. Find out who they are fuming about and
reverse it around. Use an E-meter if you have doubts. Just get the
OVERT - REGRET - REFUSED REGRET - JUSTIFICATION
cycle off the thing.
The screwy question you gotta ask them is,
"How does being hurt as a girl by a boy in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a boy as a girl in a past life?"
Past Life: Present Life;
You as Girl hurts Boy Boy hurts you as Girl
Answer: "All boys are bad because they hurt me as a girl in this
life, therefore it was ok for me as a girl to hurt a boy in a past
life."
"How does being hurt as a boy by a girl in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a girl as a boy in a past life?"
Past Life: Present Life:
You as Boy hurts Girl Girl hurts you as Boy
Answer: "All girls are bad because they hurt me as a boy in this
life, therefore it was ok for me as a boy to hurt a girl in a past life.
For Parent and Child its:
"How does being hurt as a Parent by a Child in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a Child as a Parent in a past
life?"
Past Life: Present life:
You as Parent hurts Child Child hurts you as Parent
Answer: All Children are bad because they hurt me as a Parent in
this life, therefore it was ok for me as a Parent to hurt a Child in a
past life.
"How does being hurt as a Child by a Parent in this life justify or
make you feel better about having hurt a Parent as a Child in a past
life?"
Past Life: Present life:
You as Child hurts Child Parent hurts you as Child
Answer: All Parents are bad because they hurt me as a Child in this
life, therefore it was ok for me as a Child to hurt a Parent in a past
life.
It's screwy as hell, but people are doing this full time and
calling it their lives.
Thus when you find a being in a high state of overwhelm you know
that what ever is wrong with them is acting both as a justification for
what they did not confess long ago, and as a restraint to make sure they
never make the same mistake again.
Overwhelms, once they happen and the being glues them to himself,
POKE THE BEING, and so act to motivate the being to dramatize the
villains in them and continue to hurt others more. Thus the being not
only uses the overwhelm to justify what he did BEFORE he received the
overwhelm, he will also use it to justify going on a continuous rampage
and doing it again for the rest of time, over and over again.
If she was raped by a boy as a girl, she will go on a rampage
against boys because she is poking herself uncontrollably with the
facsimile of the rape, which hurt like hell, but which is being KEPT in
restimulation to ameliorate her past life guilt for having hurt a body
for no good reason.
The STRANGE thing is, she in her next life AS A BOY will go on a
rampage about girls by raping them on and on.
The being will alternate between being restrained and subdued, and
being murderously crazy both as a girl and as a boy.
REMEMBER MOTIVATORS ONLY STICK IF THEY ARE BEING *USED* TO ASSUAGE OR
JUSTIY A PRIOR OR EVEN LATER REGRET.
Regret is fair chosen and indicates the basic underlying goodness
and sensitivity of the being hitting them back in the face after doing
someone wrong. If the being has not felt regret (yet), there will be
no motivator stickiness.
One can audit this very directly.
"What does being overwhelmed justify you being, doing or having?"
"What does being overwhelmed justify you NOT being, doing or having?"
"What does being overwhelmed restrain you from being, doing or having?"
"What does being overwhelmed restrain you from NOT being, doing or
or having?"
((These are multiple questions, I would break them up into single
questions.
"What does being overwhelmed justify you being?"
"What does being overwhelmed justify you doing?"
"What does being overwhelmed justify you having?"
etc.))
Or more brutally,
"What does being overwhelmed justify?"
"What does being overwhelmed restrain?"
If your pc does not grok "overwhelmed" you can run,
"What does overwhelmed mean?"
until they get a very good personal reality on what THEY mean by
being overwhelmed.
You can also list out using an E-meter a question like,
"What is overwhelming you?"
They will list out things like death, loneliness, no comm lines,
being in a body, etc. Pick out the one that reads the most when they
say it, or the one they are the most interested in and run it as above.
For example, say "no communication lines as a child" reads the most or
is the most on the pc"s mind. You would run,
"What does 'having no comm lines as a child' justify?"
"What does 'having no comm lines as a child' restrain?"
If you need to you can fill out the sentence to,
"What does 'no comm lines' justify you being, doing or having?"
"What does 'no comm lines' restrain you from being, doing or
having?"
Word the item in the shortest way possible that makes the pc happy.
Make sure the pc understands the question too!
When that process is flat or taken to a win, pick up the next
reading item on the pc"s overwhelm list and run it if the pc is still
interested in it. The pc may come up with new items as their idea of
overwhelm changes, and their overwhelms as-is.
Of course a very direct approach is also possible.
"How have you been overwhelmed?"
"How have you overwhelmed others?"
or
"How are you being overwhelmed?"
"How are you overwhelming or trying to overwhelm others?"
or
"How will you be overwhelmed?"
"How will you overwhelm or try to overwhelm others?"
etc.
If the 8 flows of forgetfulness drive you crazy you can shorten it
to,
"How could a Parent overwhelm a Child?"
"How could a Child overwhelm a Parent?"
or even,
"What overwhelm is there?" (assumes all flows).
If your pc wants to run higher material, earlier than bodies, you
can use,
"How could another overwhelm you?"
"How could you overwhelm another?"
However I think you will find they eventually come back to Mother
and Son, or Father and Daughter or some such thing. It really does need
to be handled, being at the end of a very long chain of glare fights and
doing people in.
One last thing. Don't expect to vanish every overwhelm the pc has
just by running it on these processes. Most people are not even up to
recognizing that they are overwhelmed, and when they are they will
usually be concentrating on their human overwhelms, and not their OT
overwhelms.
Also remember that overwhelms are a SAFE SOLUTION to a being, thus
in a way they are NOT overwhelms to him because they protect him from
greater overwhelms, or so he thinks. Thus when you list for your pc's
overwhelms, he may list really theetie wheetie material, skirting the
obvious issues of his life. You should run what he gives you. His idea
of what an overwhelm is will change, especially once he sees that he is
using them to protect himself from the *REGRET* of having overwhelmed
others.
Pulling in motivators to deal with prior regrets is a bad effort of
finding redemption with one's self and the other that one hurt which
every regret demands.
Redemption never comes from jusitifcation, regret or self
punishment.
((Redemption comes from putting it there, the whole while in which
the cycle of fall happened.))
If you as an auditor just bluntly remind the pc that he left his 2
inch thick eyeglasses off his overwhelm list, he will probably say back
to you "Oh no, that's not an overwhelm, that's SAVING MY ASS!"
Sure it is. You can try and talk him out of it, but you will just
ARC Break your pc because he can't see far enough down the road to know
you are right. Eventually he will come around and want to run it and he
will see you were right all along. Avoid telling him "I told you so!"
((This is part why audior's charge their pc's to work on them, it
helps the auditor to keep his temper while his pc spews endless blame on
everyone including himself in order to avoid simply putting it there and
taking full responsibility for all parts of the event.))
You have the right as an auditor to not audit someone if they are
too theetie wheetie, that's just another form of inaccessibility and
there are plenty of worthwhile people just screaming for good auditing
who can admit their deceits.
Run each overwhelm item to a win or until flat. If you do this
thoroughly the pc will start to gain a new consciousness about overwhelm
and will begin to respond to life in a new way. He won't be as prone to
solving his problems and guilts by being overwhelmed! He will
understand the proper route to self redemption and be able to help
others on the same path.
And when he does continue to use justification and restraint to
solve his problems, he will at least know he is doing it. At the very
least you will have increased his awareness of responsibility for being
overwhelmed. This will start a slow climb upwards, rather than a
persistent sinking downwards.
It is possible to produce spectacular case gain, or tremendous
emotional releases during a session, but sometimes, the case gain that
comes from a session is very quiet and happens during the days after the
session is over.
Sure, case gain is being able to get out of your body and fly off
to the Van Allen Belts, but case gain is also being able to work with
your boss for an hour and find some peace at the end of it rather than
sea sickness. It's actually quite a joy to be able to work and not find
yourself lower at the end of a day.
Case gain is also not getting enturbulated by the craziness AND
OVERWHELMS of others, including THEIR justifications and restraints, and
being able to see and hold onto the hope and knowledge that people
really can be helped.
If you run overwhelm thoroughly enough on a pc who is ready for it
with lots of earlier auditing, you will eventually come up to handling
OT III which is everyone ELSE's overwhelm including all those pesky Body
Thetans nobody believes in. OT III is such a long process only because
you have to audit everyone else out of THEIR overwhelm! At least those
who are bugging you.
So you had better be a good auditor. It starts with yourself, your
parents, your wife and children, your friends and those who you work
with during the day. It also starts with a thorough and unshakable
understanding of HELP, CONTROL, COMMUNICATION, INTEREST and HAVINGNESS.
The end result is worth it, Freedom from Overwhelm and Awareness of
Self as an Immortal Being, not to mention return of powers to act on
your own determinism. You might even get to chose your next life and
parents if you do it right.
There are a lot of present day OT's who will want good parents in
their immediate next life. THEY are up to choosing their parents. Are
you up to providing them the home and safe space they so desire? Do you
want an OT child?
Where are all the Old Timers going to go in the next 10 to 20 years
for Parents?
When it comes time for you to be OT and choose your next parents,
will there BE any parents you will want to have? Or will the planet be
a Zombie Zone, a worthless wasteland of arrogant zombies and sniveling
cowards?
Well if you want people out there who can help you as a child when
you come back you had better put them there by helping them first as a
parent NOW, while you can.
The technology is available to do this.
You know helping people is not a matter of doing something strange
to them, something new or alien or dangerous. People have help mixed up
with Chemistry or Magic, or something a Doctor dispenses from his Black
Magic Bag. This comes from a childhood time when the only help there
was was being saved by an aspirin or a drug and never knowing why it
worked.
You know people think that help means only helping someone who is
down and out, someone who is DAMAGED, helping them to recover their
functionality in life. Yes this is help, but people also help each
other during the normal course of day to day action, any cooperation at
all is just people working in tandem 'helping' each other play the game.
Help doesn't always mean help from DAMAGE.
Help is any form of cooperation.
Help is TEAM PLAY.
Help is really any cooperative CO-ACTION. People were doing just
fine acting together and helping each other in the dance of life, until
they got screwed up on the MOTIVATOR-OVERT and DED-DEDEX sequences. In
other words helping by harming, at first accidentally, and then on
purpose. The resulting regret, justifications, withholds and NO ACTION
put a permanent damper on their production and joy in life.
Thus believe it or not, helping people consists mainly of
rehabilitating their ability to help people! This may sound idiotic and
circular, but really auditing is just the action of getting people back
into the swing of life and willing to interact again and 'help' each
other in the normal course of action without the fear of hurting each
other and getting into uncontrollable angers, regrets, justifications,
withholds and self-restraint.
The idea that being 'mortal' and stuck in a body are the result of
efforts to help gone awry may stretch your imagination, but it is none
the less true. Thus one can regain one's status as an Eternal Being by
auditing help and its demise.
"How did becoming mortal help anyone?"
Help comes naturally to people who are on their Basic Purposes and
have people to team up with. There is unhappiness in life because there
are no more teams and no more goals, and people are full of safe
solutions like forgetting their pasts and thinking they live only once.
Not to mention exile, imprisonment, enslavement and entombment.
Thus help is not magic, it is not medicine, it is not chemistry, it
is not witchcraft or a sorcerer's spell. It is not doing something
arcane, mysterious, alien, strange or specialized that only the learned
can know how to do.
Help is only getting people to look at, and re-evaluate how they
have tried to help each other in the past, and the short sightedness of
their solutions and the ultimate abandonment, entombment and demise that
it led to.
The whole world we are stuck in, the whole mess, is merely the
result of all the wrong turns we took on the road to helping each other
survive as Immortal Beings! ((She means Eternal.))
This is the message of Scientology. There IS NO MAGIC but the
magic of one's own Spiritual and Eternal Sovereignty. THAT's the weird
stuff.
HELP is as humble as apple pie. One helps people by helping them
RESTORE the help and co action they were indulging in before you ever
came along. You do this by gleaning the confession, by relieving people
of the burden of undischarged anger, regret and grief and sending them
on their way.
The result is humor, joy and peace. And LOTS of ACTION.
And a stunning self confidence that would make you smile as wide as
the sky.
But that's not the magic of Scientology, that's the magic of YOU.
Scientology is just the codification of the obvious way to help
people after it all went wrong. Remember it went wrong on PURPOSE. You
can't hand a thetan any condition without selling him a pretty goal to
have that condition.
Seller: "Yo! Here's some hell and damnation, ain't it pretty?"
Thetan: "Whoa, cool. Hey thanks man, how much?"
Seller: "All you got."
((If you can CREATE the disaster, you can uncreate simply by
putting it there again by spanning the while in which it lives.))
Making a mess was just another pretty goal the thetan bought or
made for himself.
Fortunately the thetan also bought the goal to CLEAN IT ALL UP, in
order to guarantee himself a way out.
But the magic, the mystery of it all, the chemistry if you wish, is
not in the help that we use to clean it all up, but lies in the fact
that we are all here in the first place with this game to play, this
love to give, and this incredible experience to share with each other.
For where else could we have come back from the bottom of Hell, and
live to tell the tale?
Electra
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> Homer, you idiot. Psychosomatics aren't caused by thoughts or
> emotions. They are caused by inducing physical harm to the body.
Help and harm can happen on all 4 planes of existence, physical,
emotional, mental and spiritual.
Many psychosomatics are a CALLING BACK INTO OPERATION of recordings of
past physical harm to the body, via the being's covert INTENTION to handle
help and harm as laid out in the posting.
All psychosomatics are a covert effort to survive by succumbing
because the being considered it too dangerous to survive by forthright
survival at the time.
Any Grade IV knows he is doing it. The engrams are merely the pattern
and system of forces used to covertly produce the somatic result so not
even he knows he is doing it, and to make it convincing to others.
"Look ma, no hands!"
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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> Homer, you idiot. Psychosomatics aren't caused by thoughts or
> emotions. They are caused by inducing physical harm to the body.
Help and harm can happen on all 4 planes of existence, physical,
emotional, mental and spiritual.
Many psychosomatics are a CALLING BACK INTO OPERATION of recordings of
past physical harm to the body, via the being's covert INTENTION to handle
help and harm as laid out in the posting.
All psychosomatics are a covert effort to survive by succumbing
because the being considered it too dangerous to survive by forthright
survival at the time.
Any Grade IV knows he is doing it. The engrams are merely the pattern
and system of forces used to covertly produce the somatic result so not
even he knows he is doing it, and to make it convincing to others.
"Look ma, no hands!"
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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THE BLACK INFINITY CASE
The facsimile bank is a compulsive non confront issue, it was a
safe solution to a serious problem on the early track. Once it unmocks,
his havingness comes back. He can now mock up pictures forever for
free, put his dreams on MEST and have them come true by the mere posting
of them.
There were havingness issues in the original non confront, so the
being feels he needs a track in order to have, but its like carrying
around a movie camera recording one's life every second of the day, AND
10 million miles of camera film recording your whole life and using it
for memory.
You would consider such a human nuts, and it would seriously hamper
his livingness to do this.
Worse this film is magic film, if he has a picture of being bitten,
and that part of the film gets agitated, the film can bite him again!
Of courfse he has to CAUSE this to happen, but in general you don't
want to be walking around with 10 million miles of this stuff wrapped
around your neck.
A being free from the track doesn't need camera film to remember
things, he can permeate space and time directly and know what happened.
If he is in to pictures, wants to show them to others, he can
BECOME the whole scene and allow them to walk through it and experience
it for themselves in full 3D surround sound.
The Black V is actually a Black Infinity case, he can't mockup
various infinities or unlimited finite quantities of mass, energy, space
and time, aesthetics, pain or whatever.
A being can't actually mock up an infinite amount of something
finite, space, time, marbles, girl friends etc, but there is no limit to
how much or many he can mock up, as long as it remains finite he can
just as easily mockup 10 times or 100 billion times the amount, and then
do it again and again. There is no upper limit to his ability to mockup
finite things, as long as it isn't infinite.
So when we say a Black Infinity case, we are talking about mocking
up a 100 squadrillion mothers, and then 100 squadrillion to the
squadrillion power more, and then again and again etc.
There is one exception to the above 'no infinities' rule which is
there HAS been an infinite number of finite space time continuums filled
with finite things mocked up in the eternal past and an infinite more
will be in the eternal future, all in the same Eternity, but not at the
same TIME.
Any time stream is finite inside of Eternity, but there have been
an infinite number of such finite time streams, and will be an infinite
number in the eternal future to come. Get it?
The Black V is using track very heavily to block out track
completely. It's a not-isness that totally consumes all his mental
energy so he can't even light a candle in the darkness any more. Once
the Black V starts to come apart, the amount of visio that turns on
gives him unlimited vertigo because it is visio of the 'infinities'
interplaying again.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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THE BLACK INFINITY CASE
The facsimile bank is a compulsive non confront issue, it was a
safe solution to a serious problem on the early track. Once it unmocks,
his havingness comes back. He can now mock up pictures forever for
free, put his dreams on MEST and have them come true by the mere posting
of them.
There were havingness issues in the original non confront, so the
being feels he needs a track in order to have, but its like carrying
around a movie camera recording one's life every second of the day, AND
10 million miles of camera film recording your whole life and using it
for memory.
You would consider such a human nuts, and it would seriously hamper
his livingness to do this.
Worse this film is magic film, if he has a picture of being bitten,
and that part of the film gets agitated, the film can bite him again!
Of courfse he has to CAUSE this to happen, but in general you don't
want to be walking around with 10 million miles of this stuff wrapped
around your neck.
A being free from the track doesn't need camera film to remember
things, he can permeate space and time directly and know what happened.
If he is in to pictures, wants to show them to others, he can
BECOME the whole scene and allow them to walk through it and experience
it for themselves in full 3D surround sound.
The Black V is actually a Black Infinity case, he can't mockup
various infinities or unlimited finite quantities of mass, energy, space
and time, aesthetics, pain or whatever.
A being can't actually mock up an infinite amount of something
finite, space, time, marbles, girl friends etc, but there is no limit to
how much or many he can mock up, as long as it remains finite he can
just as easily mockup 10 times or 100 billion times the amount, and then
do it again and again. There is no upper limit to his ability to mockup
finite things, as long as it isn't infinite.
So when we say a Black Infinity case, we are talking about mocking
up a 100 squadrillion mothers, and then 100 squadrillion to the
squadrillion power more, and then again and again etc.
There is one exception to the above 'no infinities' rule which is
there HAS been an infinite number of finite space time continuums filled
with finite things mocked up in the eternal past and an infinite more
will be in the eternal future, all in the same Eternity, but not at the
same TIME.
Any time stream is finite inside of Eternity, but there have been
an infinite number of such finite time streams, and will be an infinite
number in the eternal future to come. Get it?
The Black V is using track very heavily to block out track
completely. It's a not-isness that totally consumes all his mental
energy so he can't even light a candle in the darkness any more. Once
the Black V starts to come apart, the amount of visio that turns on
gives him unlimited vertigo because it is visio of the 'infinities'
interplaying again.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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THE CONVERSATION
In 1945 there was a conversation that went down between the
Japanese and the US.
Jap: Prove to us you have an atom bomb, we really want to know!
US: No problem.
There have been wars in the past between bottom dwelling slime mold
in bodies and free thetans.
Often the free thetans lost, mostly through naivety and
incredulity.
Those of us trying to recover from this might want to consider
running,
Get the idea of NO naivety.
Get the idea of SOME naivety.
Get the idea of NO incredulity.
Get the idea of SOME incredulity.
And while you are at it, you might want to run the blazes out of
Hell, Death, NonRecognition, Hate, Sorrow, Choice and Eternality.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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THE CONVERSATION
In 1945 there was a conversation that went down between the
Japanese and the US.
Jap: Prove to us you have an atom bomb, we really want to know!
US: No problem.
There have been wars in the past between bottom dwelling slime mold
in bodies and free thetans.
Often the free thetans lost, mostly through naivety and
incredulity.
Those of us trying to recover from this might want to consider
running,
Get the idea of NO naivety.
Get the idea of SOME naivety.
Get the idea of NO incredulity.
Get the idea of SOME incredulity.
And while you are at it, you might want to run the blazes out of
Hell, Death, NonRecognition, Hate, Sorrow, Choice and Eternality.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SELF DETERMINISM
dapperdobbs <@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If we may pause for a moment here at the point you make above ... I
> think the question is: Does man have self-determinism? Did God create
> man with a choice or choices?
Here is my position.
There are two kinds of freedom here that are usually confused by
the weak minded.
1.) Freedom from determination.
2.) Freedom to do what he wants.
FREEDOM FROM DETERMINATION
NOTHING can be free of its own nature.
If it were, then its action would be utterly random, and as there
are more ways to harm than to help, this would be disasterous.
Thus a free will, in the sense of free from being determined by
anything, is not desirable.
FREEDOM TO DO WHAT HE WANTS
Man has a will which is determined by his desires, the equation
that drives that will is
DOING = WANTING + KNOWING.
In other words, given what a man wants, he uses what he knows to
compute what he should do.
A man can change his wants, but only if he wants to, thus at all
times his actions are computed from his desire and his knowledge. His
computations can be wrong, held down sevens, etc, but the machine
continues as best it can.
In this sense a man considers he has 'free' will, when his will is
free to follow what he has computed he should do.
You put him in jail, and he wants to get out. So he computes that
the way to get out is to open the door and leave. But the door is
locked closed, so he can not pursue his desire, thus his will is not
'free'.
This 'freedom' to do what he wishes, has nothing to do with freedom
from determination.
One in fact hopes that a man *IS* determined by good will, no
matter how insane his knowledge or computations might be.
Thus the first kind of freedom from determination is undesirable,
and the second kind is intimately desirable.
A man can get into a state where he is forced to do something he
doesn't want to do. When the forces determining his actions are not in
accord with his desires, knowledge and computations, then he has a
problem with himself.
But even then the only 'freedom' he has lost is the freedom
to do what he wants and computes.
One can force a man under threat and duress of pain for himself or
his loved ones to do something 'he doesn't want to do.' Notice when he
chooses to act, he is still choosing to act according to his own
computation and desires given the added data of threat and duress.
As bad as it sounds he is still doing what he wants.
In otherwords being 'forced' to do something by the use of direct
force, or by the use of motivation through the threat of pain are two
completely different things. The first is a violation of free will,
then second is simply freewill in action given the circumstances of
threat and duress.
A man can also get into a state where inner reactivity takes over
for him and makes him do things that he has not computed to do. He may
later try to make them right by finding computations AFTER the fact of
the action to make the action right.
A spirit has another level of freedom, in that a spirit, unlike a
MEST machine, is not state determined by the physical universe.
State determined means what the machine does next is a pure
function of its present state and circumstances plus or minus some dice
throwing in is internal mechanics.
A machine is determined by its own nature and by the environment it
is in at the time. State plus environment equals new state.
Men as MEST BODIES, don't like to think they are robots, but like
any machine, they are robots to their nature and to their environmental
impingements. That quantum mechanics allows for some randomness in
outcome, doesn't make the machine 'free', it makes it random.
A spirit however can originate something NEW that is not a function
of anything that has gone before in the MEST universe, nor its present
state in the physical universe.
Such prime postulates, as they are called, are still a function of
the nature of the spirit, but are not a function of the past or the
present environment.
Thus a spirit has a level of being undetermined that a mest machine
or body/brain does not but it's still determined or constrained by its
eternal nature.
Choice is the ability to compute many possible paths to a desired
outcome, and picking the one mostly likely to get there the fastest with
the least expenditure of energy or pain.
Choices can be pushed to the limit when two people are starving to
death, and each has to decide whether to kill himself, or kill and eat
the other.
Friendships, and prior relationship can affect the outcome of such
computations.
The concept of 'free' will is used mostly to punish people, if he
chooses to harm someone and he gets caught, people chose to harm him
back, saying he deserved it.
If the guy is FORCED to do something bad, either by others, or by
something physical or mental inside him, people can be forgiving, but he
may be done away with anyhow as an expediency.
Basically it comes down to being a team, in which case people treat
each other with respect, or being in opposition, in which case all hell
can break lose.
As for obedience, most morals hold man obliged to obey a higher
authority, be it the law of the land or the law of the sky.
If he knows the law, and he knows others will try to punish him for
breaking it, and he breaks it, then by definition he gets what he
deserves and knows it, even if the law is unjust and the purveyors of
justice are all criminals.
The legal adjudication of insanity is knows right and wrong, but by
right and wrong they mean LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, not morally right or
morally wrong.
NO ONE EVER DOES WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE MORALLY WRONG OR NOT THE
BEST SOLUTION TO THEIR DESIRES (SAME THING), although they may be
computing under subtle but high duress from internal or external
factors.
Thus man has a moral mandate to do what is right first, and what is
legal second, unless he has sworn to uphold the law right or wrong and
is allowed in office by others on the basis of that promise. If he
finds that the law is immoral, he can put down his badge, dismiss
himself from his sworn post and its duties, and then break the law
meaningfully.
That was more than you wanted, but there it is.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SELF DETERMINISM
dapperdobbs <@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If we may pause for a moment here at the point you make above ... I
> think the question is: Does man have self-determinism? Did God create
> man with a choice or choices?
Here is my position.
There are two kinds of freedom here that are usually confused by
the weak minded.
1.) Freedom from determination.
2.) Freedom to do what he wants.
FREEDOM FROM DETERMINATION
NOTHING can be free of its own nature.
If it were, then its action would be utterly random, and as there
are more ways to harm than to help, this would be disasterous.
Thus a free will, in the sense of free from being determined by
anything, is not desirable.
FREEDOM TO DO WHAT HE WANTS
Man has a will which is determined by his desires, the equation
that drives that will is
DOING = WANTING + KNOWING.
In other words, given what a man wants, he uses what he knows to
compute what he should do.
A man can change his wants, but only if he wants to, thus at all
times his actions are computed from his desire and his knowledge. His
computations can be wrong, held down sevens, etc, but the machine
continues as best it can.
In this sense a man considers he has 'free' will, when his will is
free to follow what he has computed he should do.
You put him in jail, and he wants to get out. So he computes that
the way to get out is to open the door and leave. But the door is
locked closed, so he can not pursue his desire, thus his will is not
'free'.
This 'freedom' to do what he wishes, has nothing to do with freedom
from determination.
One in fact hopes that a man *IS* determined by good will, no
matter how insane his knowledge or computations might be.
Thus the first kind of freedom from determination is undesirable,
and the second kind is intimately desirable.
A man can get into a state where he is forced to do something he
doesn't want to do. When the forces determining his actions are not in
accord with his desires, knowledge and computations, then he has a
problem with himself.
But even then the only 'freedom' he has lost is the freedom
to do what he wants and computes.
One can force a man under threat and duress of pain for himself or
his loved ones to do something 'he doesn't want to do.' Notice when he
chooses to act, he is still choosing to act according to his own
computation and desires given the added data of threat and duress.
As bad as it sounds he is still doing what he wants.
In otherwords being 'forced' to do something by the use of direct
force, or by the use of motivation through the threat of pain are two
completely different things. The first is a violation of free will,
then second is simply freewill in action given the circumstances of
threat and duress.
A man can also get into a state where inner reactivity takes over
for him and makes him do things that he has not computed to do. He may
later try to make them right by finding computations AFTER the fact of
the action to make the action right.
A spirit has another level of freedom, in that a spirit, unlike a
MEST machine, is not state determined by the physical universe.
State determined means what the machine does next is a pure
function of its present state and circumstances plus or minus some dice
throwing in is internal mechanics.
A machine is determined by its own nature and by the environment it
is in at the time. State plus environment equals new state.
Men as MEST BODIES, don't like to think they are robots, but like
any machine, they are robots to their nature and to their environmental
impingements. That quantum mechanics allows for some randomness in
outcome, doesn't make the machine 'free', it makes it random.
A spirit however can originate something NEW that is not a function
of anything that has gone before in the MEST universe, nor its present
state in the physical universe.
Such prime postulates, as they are called, are still a function of
the nature of the spirit, but are not a function of the past or the
present environment.
Thus a spirit has a level of being undetermined that a mest machine
or body/brain does not but it's still determined or constrained by its
eternal nature.
Choice is the ability to compute many possible paths to a desired
outcome, and picking the one mostly likely to get there the fastest with
the least expenditure of energy or pain.
Choices can be pushed to the limit when two people are starving to
death, and each has to decide whether to kill himself, or kill and eat
the other.
Friendships, and prior relationship can affect the outcome of such
computations.
The concept of 'free' will is used mostly to punish people, if he
chooses to harm someone and he gets caught, people chose to harm him
back, saying he deserved it.
If the guy is FORCED to do something bad, either by others, or by
something physical or mental inside him, people can be forgiving, but he
may be done away with anyhow as an expediency.
Basically it comes down to being a team, in which case people treat
each other with respect, or being in opposition, in which case all hell
can break lose.
As for obedience, most morals hold man obliged to obey a higher
authority, be it the law of the land or the law of the sky.
If he knows the law, and he knows others will try to punish him for
breaking it, and he breaks it, then by definition he gets what he
deserves and knows it, even if the law is unjust and the purveyors of
justice are all criminals.
The legal adjudication of insanity is knows right and wrong, but by
right and wrong they mean LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, not morally right or
morally wrong.
NO ONE EVER DOES WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE MORALLY WRONG OR NOT THE
BEST SOLUTION TO THEIR DESIRES (SAME THING), although they may be
computing under subtle but high duress from internal or external
factors.
Thus man has a moral mandate to do what is right first, and what is
legal second, unless he has sworn to uphold the law right or wrong and
is allowed in office by others on the basis of that promise. If he
finds that the law is immoral, he can put down his badge, dismiss
himself from his sworn post and its duties, and then break the law
meaningfully.
That was more than you wanted, but there it is.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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CLEAR
There are at least two definitions of clear.
The first is "knows he or she is mocking up their own bank."
The second is "no longer has a bank."
No bank means the person's own picture bank is gone, they no longer
have facsimiles to restimulate, their core bank of mass and force is gone,
and their own personal GPMS are gone as in first goal clear, second goal
clear, all goal clear, done.
Running dianetics on the second definition of clear would
be a waste of time, and if forced would cause them either
to mock up a bank in order to make the auditor right, or
to pull in the incidents and banks of others.
It can be argued that such a second definition clear would
really be an OT, but in truth, everyone is an OT, but some
are not clear!
OT has to do with ability, clear has to do with aberration of
ability.
There are lots of OT's who aren't clear. They can move the
marble, but they tend to move it in weird ways.
Once clear the pre-OT is no longer trapped in his considerations
of power and limitation, and can then begin to practice moving the
marble and moving it right.
The clear is still surrounded by non clears, both incarnate
and discarnet, the universe is a bit like an ocean soup, one is
absolutely immersed in other beings who are not clear. Once one
goes clear, one has to clear out some space around one so one
has some space to be clear IN.
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CLEAR
There are at least two definitions of clear.
The first is "knows he or she is mocking up their own bank."
The second is "no longer has a bank."
No bank means the person's own picture bank is gone, they no longer
have facsimiles to restimulate, their core bank of mass and force is gone,
and their own personal GPMS are gone as in first goal clear, second goal
clear, all goal clear, done.
Running dianetics on the second definition of clear would
be a waste of time, and if forced would cause them either
to mock up a bank in order to make the auditor right, or
to pull in the incidents and banks of others.
It can be argued that such a second definition clear would
really be an OT, but in truth, everyone is an OT, but some
are not clear!
OT has to do with ability, clear has to do with aberration of
ability.
There are lots of OT's who aren't clear. They can move the
marble, but they tend to move it in weird ways.
Once clear the pre-OT is no longer trapped in his considerations
of power and limitation, and can then begin to practice moving the
marble and moving it right.
The clear is still surrounded by non clears, both incarnate
and discarnet, the universe is a bit like an ocean soup, one is
absolutely immersed in other beings who are not clear. Once one
goes clear, one has to clear out some space around one so one
has some space to be clear IN.
Homer
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OT POWER II V2.0
Beings, conscious units, have both BEING and BEINGNESS.
The person as BEING can change his BEINGNESS.
BEING is timeless, above time, BEINGNESS is in time.
BEING is what the person really is.
BEINGNESS is a packaged constellation of goals, abilities and
attributes, created by himself or another, that the person has donned
for himself, AS himself in the time stream. "This is me!"
Ability includes knowledge and power.
When a being enters a game, he tends to decay.
He trades his original beingnesses for later ones as he sashays
down the GPM ladder.
GPM stands for Goals Problem Mass.
GPM's are prepacked games to play replete with goals and opponents.
including a staircase of wins, losses, successes and failures leading
down the next game to play below it when he gives up or gets sick of the
game he is at.
Each one of these changes in BEINGNESS result from direct
application of OT power operating from his natural BEING,
to make him able as the role he needs to be to play the game
he is now choosing.
The ability package of a bum on the street is different than the
ability package of a nuclear physicist, but when the nuclear physicist
gets sick of blowing people up, he may become a bum in the street for a
while, get it?
The purpose of auditing is to get the pc to start changing his
BEINGNESS again in an upwards direction, meaning bigger and more able,
and perhaps eventually give up this GPM nonsense altogether. But there
will always be games to play and powers and abilities to have and not
have.
Not have is the key. What ability could you NOT HAVE?
That makes the game exciting!
Thus when a pc wants to change his power set one has to ask why?
Winning too often?
Losing too often?
He can change his power set at any time by changing his BEINGNESS
but will only change his beingness in the direction of better play.
He may start off complaining that he wants to win more often, and
that is fair enough, but as he readjusts his BEINGNESS he will start
complaining he wants a challenge, that is now he wants to lose more
often.
The joke is that they way to recover one's ability to win more often
involves rehabilitating his ability to create himself as a loser!
As long as he feels he has no responsibility for being a loser,
and can't TAKE responsibility for being a loser by putting it there
no matter who originally created the package, he can't stop
putting it there.
So rehabilitating his creative ability to put losers there, he can
stop doing that, and he bubbles back up to being a winner again as that
is the natural state of an omni potent BEING.
ALL CREATIONS ARE LIMITATIONS OF ABILITY.
One does not create ability, one creates disability from which one
can then take what's left as 'inborn talent' and hone it into a skill.
Optimum play is in between win and lose.
Playing is neither winning and nor losing.
Sometimes its nice to win and get on with the next screen, some
times it's nice to lose, hone those skills some more.
Nothing like the glory of a good come back.
But when he finds his power set in an optimum place, he will be a
well and happy being, and no longer be interested in messing around with
his power set.
If his original goal and ability set find anathema in having a
human body to take care of or operate through, well then he will need to
adjust his ability package until he no longer has those
responsibilities.
Notice however, that as he goes up the tone scale by erasing
disabilities, his ability to take responsibility over things and
his body in particular increases exponentially with it, NATURALLY.
It doesn't take work to become able, it takes work to
become unable.
The Prove It! case has a problem with their present ability set,
they want to know if more exists. Often they are meatballs in self
conception and don't want to be.
A meatball thinks consciousness is a process in chemistry,
and that when the body dies, he dies, and that's it bud.
He is a 'made of meat case. and has no self awareness of nor
concept of himself as a conscious Spirit.
Meatballs look to you to provide proof that there is more to be
had, but if you show them, they end up doubting it later anyway.
Even if they have an ascension experience OF THEIR OWN, they STILL
end up doubting it anyway. So its wasted effort to prove ability per se
to anyone.
Show them a game they can play with 100 percent involvement, and
they will forget all about wanting proof of something more.
And in the end, happiness is what counts, not ability. Yes it is
impossible to be happy as a mortal, but they have long ago concluded it
was impossible to happy as an immortal. Death forever is a solution to
hell forever. How many flip flops have they done on that one?
There is no peace in either, peace only comes from eternality, not
immortality nor mortality.
So you have your work cut out for you on the Prove it case.
Beyond that, the guy who knows that ability is there for the taking
but is always tied to the design of the game that he wants to play, well
they are easy to audit and a pleasure to boot.
Audit the GAME for optimum play, and the ability package will
arrange itself around that game automatically.
Spending some time with the preclear defining what 'optimum play'
might mean to him will go a long ways towards making huge case gain.
Just remember you 'audit towards optimum play' by rehabilitating
the ability to create non optimum play, as that nails the point of self
responsibility that is holding him non optimum in present time.
A native state being who has not created any limitations yet, can
create games of optimum play forever for free in the mere conception of
them.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Beings, conscious units, have both BEING and BEINGNESS.
The person as BEING can change his BEINGNESS.
BEING is timeless, above time, BEINGNESS is in time.
BEING is what the person really is.
BEINGNESS is a packaged constellation of goals, abilities and
attributes, created by himself or another, that the person has donned
for himself, AS himself in the time stream. "This is me!"
Ability includes knowledge and power.
When a being enters a game, he tends to decay.
He trades his original beingnesses for later ones as he sashays
down the GPM ladder.
GPM stands for Goals Problem Mass.
GPM's are prepacked games to play replete with goals and opponents.
including a staircase of wins, losses, successes and failures leading
down the next game to play below it when he gives up or gets sick of the
game he is at.
Each one of these changes in BEINGNESS result from direct
application of OT power operating from his natural BEING,
to make him able as the role he needs to be to play the game
he is now choosing.
The ability package of a bum on the street is different than the
ability package of a nuclear physicist, but when the nuclear physicist
gets sick of blowing people up, he may become a bum in the street for a
while, get it?
The purpose of auditing is to get the pc to start changing his
BEINGNESS again in an upwards direction, meaning bigger and more able,
and perhaps eventually give up this GPM nonsense altogether. But there
will always be games to play and powers and abilities to have and not
have.
Not have is the key. What ability could you NOT HAVE?
That makes the game exciting!
Thus when a pc wants to change his power set one has to ask why?
Winning too often?
Losing too often?
He can change his power set at any time by changing his BEINGNESS
but will only change his beingness in the direction of better play.
He may start off complaining that he wants to win more often, and
that is fair enough, but as he readjusts his BEINGNESS he will start
complaining he wants a challenge, that is now he wants to lose more
often.
The joke is that they way to recover one's ability to win more often
involves rehabilitating his ability to create himself as a loser!
As long as he feels he has no responsibility for being a loser,
and can't TAKE responsibility for being a loser by putting it there
no matter who originally created the package, he can't stop
putting it there.
So rehabilitating his creative ability to put losers there, he can
stop doing that, and he bubbles back up to being a winner again as that
is the natural state of an omni potent BEING.
ALL CREATIONS ARE LIMITATIONS OF ABILITY.
One does not create ability, one creates disability from which one
can then take what's left as 'inborn talent' and hone it into a skill.
Optimum play is in between win and lose.
Playing is neither winning and nor losing.
Sometimes its nice to win and get on with the next screen, some
times it's nice to lose, hone those skills some more.
Nothing like the glory of a good come back.
But when he finds his power set in an optimum place, he will be a
well and happy being, and no longer be interested in messing around with
his power set.
If his original goal and ability set find anathema in having a
human body to take care of or operate through, well then he will need to
adjust his ability package until he no longer has those
responsibilities.
Notice however, that as he goes up the tone scale by erasing
disabilities, his ability to take responsibility over things and
his body in particular increases exponentially with it, NATURALLY.
It doesn't take work to become able, it takes work to
become unable.
The Prove It! case has a problem with their present ability set,
they want to know if more exists. Often they are meatballs in self
conception and don't want to be.
A meatball thinks consciousness is a process in chemistry,
and that when the body dies, he dies, and that's it bud.
He is a 'made of meat case. and has no self awareness of nor
concept of himself as a conscious Spirit.
Meatballs look to you to provide proof that there is more to be
had, but if you show them, they end up doubting it later anyway.
Even if they have an ascension experience OF THEIR OWN, they STILL
end up doubting it anyway. So its wasted effort to prove ability per se
to anyone.
Show them a game they can play with 100 percent involvement, and
they will forget all about wanting proof of something more.
And in the end, happiness is what counts, not ability. Yes it is
impossible to be happy as a mortal, but they have long ago concluded it
was impossible to happy as an immortal. Death forever is a solution to
hell forever. How many flip flops have they done on that one?
There is no peace in either, peace only comes from eternality, not
immortality nor mortality.
So you have your work cut out for you on the Prove it case.
Beyond that, the guy who knows that ability is there for the taking
but is always tied to the design of the game that he wants to play, well
they are easy to audit and a pleasure to boot.
Audit the GAME for optimum play, and the ability package will
arrange itself around that game automatically.
Spending some time with the preclear defining what 'optimum play'
might mean to him will go a long ways towards making huge case gain.
Just remember you 'audit towards optimum play' by rehabilitating
the ability to create non optimum play, as that nails the point of self
responsibility that is holding him non optimum in present time.
A native state being who has not created any limitations yet, can
create games of optimum play forever for free in the mere conception of
them.
Homer
05/21/15 Thursday 1:43pm EST
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Posted: Thu May 21 13:45:41 EDT 2015
ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/adore448.memo
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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