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MEN AND WOMEN
A man's interest in women is basically the same as a baby's
interest in a mother.
Once the man grows up, he has about as much need for a woman, as an
ax through the head.
He is better off leaving the woman upside down in a trash can to be
carried away where she belongs.
As for men and women being friends to each other, that isn't going
to happen because down in the deepest part of her heart, the woman is in
seething hatred for the man, born of jealousy.
Whatever a woman complains about in a man, she is jealous of, no
matter how egretious.
She is jealous that she too can't be that egregious and get away
with it.
You think women are so sweet and light, but while men destroy with
overt violence, women destroy with covert violence.
Any woman who claims she isn't jealous of men is happy living the
protected life of a rip off artist taken care of by men and the
civilization they have built around her, all the while allowed to
continously bitch about how she can do anything a man can do, only
better.
Bitching yes, maybe, anything else no.
Men grow up from being a fetus THROUGH being a female, and then
onto being a man.
Because of the broken Y chomosome, women think of men as gentically
damaged women.
Men think of women as children.
Children who will never grow up, because they CAN never grow up.
And men hate women for their second rate state of existence, born
of the man's unconfrontable sorrow and sympathy for women for having
been created second rate out of the gate.
Men look at women in horror as eternally crippled.
And you know, women KNOW THIS, oh boy do they know this, they smile
at you with that warm come hither look, but all they want is to be
serviced, to have their pussies filled, and a safe garage to live in,
one she couldn't build herself and couldn't possibly figure out or
discover for herself how it worked if her life depended on it.
And I will let you in on a little secret, any man who abuses a
woman, hates his mother.
I do wonder why.
It is the man's effort to destroy his mother, that makes him
destroy the planet instead, with atomic war.
He can't kill her, so he will kill everyone else instead.
His greatest fear?
His mother will be the last one left standing.
Homer
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IMPINGEMENT AND INVITE
Michael (mickel1234@blueyonder.co.uk) wrote:
>It's a little tricky to actually see that when you are disagreeing with
>something you are actually creating it and therefore responsible for it.
>Mike
Correct, the issue is impingement and invite.
Prior to any impingement is an invite. Run the invite and the
inpingment goes away unless you maintain the invite knowingly.
Thus native state is sovereign, impregnable and unimpingable.
But just delights in pretending it isn't for a while.
Yum, crosses to bear!
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Michael (mickel1234@blueyonder.co.uk) wrote:
>It's a little tricky to actually see that when you are disagreeing with
>something you are actually creating it and therefore responsible for it.
>Mike
Correct, the issue is impingement and invite.
Prior to any impingement is an invite. Run the invite and the
inpingment goes away unless you maintain the invite knowingly.
Thus native state is sovereign, impregnable and unimpingable.
But just delights in pretending it isn't for a while.
Yum, crosses to bear!
Homer
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SOVEREIGNTY
Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
All Rights Reserved
The subject of Sovereignty is a big one.
When you mention Sovereignty people always think of someone else,
someone big over there, they never consider that it applies to
themselves.
That's because from the viewpoint of their lives it doesn't.
Sovereignty has become a political term used only in current events
class at school or writing a paper on some foreign land that you will
probably never get to visit.
However, Sovereign Desire is the central core of why you exist, why
you are here, and why you are in the condition you are in.
What, you mean I had something to do with this mess I am in?
Yes.
In fact you had everything to do with it, you engineered the entire
thing right down to the last nut and bolt, and then engineered your own
ignorance of the fact.
This is what people find most incredible, that they would choose to
not know they chose.
Majesty is the Sovereign Desire that Desire not be Sovereign for a
while.
That is HOW Creator became Creature, you.
One becomes the Creator again by practicing becoming the Creature.
That's what Creator's do, they become Creatures.
Creator's create themselves AS creatures, as created things.
Every thing they create, is an adornment to self.
But you protest, that's ridiculous, if I were a Creator I would
never have created this mess I am in now, and look at all these other
people, surely they had better things to do than to build a life of pain
and bury themselves in it.
Ah well, so Sovereignty is a little hidden. That's the magic of
Majesty, to become a Creature FOR A WHILE.
A Creature who does not like its God and would have made the world
a different way if it could have.
People are here under protest, they live their lives because they
have to, not because they enjoy the dance. Even if their life is going
OK, they still realize that others are suffering and the whole world is
one macabre theater of morbid fascinations, a chamber of horrors.
Most people can think of other things they would like to be doing
than working to eat to survive, let alone EATING others in order to eat
and survive.
Even those who enjoy eating realize that they are making a virtue
out of a horrible necessity.
In fact a little thought will show you that who ever made this
universe, be it you or someone else, or all of us in unison, was really
weird, to put it mildly.
So Sovereignty is a foreign state of mind to most.
An insult to others, "how DARE you suggest I did this!"
"No one in their right mind would do this, create such a thing."
As such, sovereignty becomes lost in the sea of despair.
But this is intentional, this is what Sovereign Desire wrought,
hiding itself in the darkness, under the cover of incredibility,
impossibility and preposterousness.
Sovereignty created full out refusal to operate sovereignty lest it
'do it again.'
That's the veil.
This is also the dark night of the soul. For once a soul gets the
slightest glimpse of the beauty and the power that were once his, he can
not rest until he again has them under command. But that journey is the
longest, hardest, darkest, saddest journey he will ever seek to under
take.
To admit you lost something that good and forgot about it, takes
the making of a God.
Sovereignty is like limitless power and class that is totally
unenturbulated, totally calm and at peace. It is endless resting
potential always on the verge of creating (becoming) some new world
without the slightest inclination to do so.
It's a wonder that every once in a while it does do so.
For what would move absolute peace?
Power in this world stems from operating Majesty.
Majesty is the Sovereign Desire that we not be Sovereign for a
while.
Well here we are. The Way In is the Way Out.
If you can come in and maintain awareness you are doing so, you
will be out, because you have to be out to come in.
Sovereignty is having, but it is also having the ability and
willingness to NOT have for a while.
By one's own command intention.
Bereftness is a kind of havingness to a GodSoul who can have anything.
Sovereignty is the only light there is, the only peace there is,
and the only salvation there is.
It is the light at the end of the tunnel, and it is the light at
the end of the dark night of the soul.
A new and glorious morn...
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Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
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The subject of Sovereignty is a big one.
When you mention Sovereignty people always think of someone else,
someone big over there, they never consider that it applies to
themselves.
That's because from the viewpoint of their lives it doesn't.
Sovereignty has become a political term used only in current events
class at school or writing a paper on some foreign land that you will
probably never get to visit.
However, Sovereign Desire is the central core of why you exist, why
you are here, and why you are in the condition you are in.
What, you mean I had something to do with this mess I am in?
Yes.
In fact you had everything to do with it, you engineered the entire
thing right down to the last nut and bolt, and then engineered your own
ignorance of the fact.
This is what people find most incredible, that they would choose to
not know they chose.
Majesty is the Sovereign Desire that Desire not be Sovereign for a
while.
That is HOW Creator became Creature, you.
One becomes the Creator again by practicing becoming the Creature.
That's what Creator's do, they become Creatures.
Creator's create themselves AS creatures, as created things.
Every thing they create, is an adornment to self.
But you protest, that's ridiculous, if I were a Creator I would
never have created this mess I am in now, and look at all these other
people, surely they had better things to do than to build a life of pain
and bury themselves in it.
Ah well, so Sovereignty is a little hidden. That's the magic of
Majesty, to become a Creature FOR A WHILE.
A Creature who does not like its God and would have made the world
a different way if it could have.
People are here under protest, they live their lives because they
have to, not because they enjoy the dance. Even if their life is going
OK, they still realize that others are suffering and the whole world is
one macabre theater of morbid fascinations, a chamber of horrors.
Most people can think of other things they would like to be doing
than working to eat to survive, let alone EATING others in order to eat
and survive.
Even those who enjoy eating realize that they are making a virtue
out of a horrible necessity.
In fact a little thought will show you that who ever made this
universe, be it you or someone else, or all of us in unison, was really
weird, to put it mildly.
So Sovereignty is a foreign state of mind to most.
An insult to others, "how DARE you suggest I did this!"
"No one in their right mind would do this, create such a thing."
As such, sovereignty becomes lost in the sea of despair.
But this is intentional, this is what Sovereign Desire wrought,
hiding itself in the darkness, under the cover of incredibility,
impossibility and preposterousness.
Sovereignty created full out refusal to operate sovereignty lest it
'do it again.'
That's the veil.
This is also the dark night of the soul. For once a soul gets the
slightest glimpse of the beauty and the power that were once his, he can
not rest until he again has them under command. But that journey is the
longest, hardest, darkest, saddest journey he will ever seek to under
take.
To admit you lost something that good and forgot about it, takes
the making of a God.
Sovereignty is like limitless power and class that is totally
unenturbulated, totally calm and at peace. It is endless resting
potential always on the verge of creating (becoming) some new world
without the slightest inclination to do so.
It's a wonder that every once in a while it does do so.
For what would move absolute peace?
Power in this world stems from operating Majesty.
Majesty is the Sovereign Desire that we not be Sovereign for a
while.
Well here we are. The Way In is the Way Out.
If you can come in and maintain awareness you are doing so, you
will be out, because you have to be out to come in.
Sovereignty is having, but it is also having the ability and
willingness to NOT have for a while.
By one's own command intention.
Bereftness is a kind of havingness to a GodSoul who can have anything.
Sovereignty is the only light there is, the only peace there is,
and the only salvation there is.
It is the light at the end of the tunnel, and it is the light at
the end of the dark night of the soul.
A new and glorious morn...
Homer
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THE HELPING HAND
Nick (nburkacki@nospamyahoo.com) wrote:
>So basically what your saying is, if I ever see you stranded on the side of
>the road cause your battery died. I should just keep going rather than
>offer you my charity?
Well one presumes you are your way to do something of importance in
the world, perhaps helping me fits into that need perhaps not. If you
are racing to a fire to save lives, then by all means pass me by.
The point is not to squander one's help, help is investment,
investing in first in line beggars is not a good investment policy.
I suggest you re read what I wrote without a need to make it wrong,
you might actually understand it.
>If you die (get mugged, ran over, etc..) on the way
>to the gas station 20 miles away, it's just survival of the fittest, think
>nothing of it. Well, I'd rather give you a hand and help you get on your
>way (Wouldn't expect anything in return, neither).
If you give without expecting anything in return then one day you
will have nothing left.
Life is investment, sow and reap cycles, you can plant stones in
the ground all day long, but you get nothing in return, better to plant
seeds.
You OWE it to others who have helped you to make sure that your
investment cycles produce a positive return, and certainly not a
negative return.
Those that squander their energy alotment, end up with nothing, and
they die or become a weight around other's production, and those that
helped them wasted their life energy in a negative return proposition.
Although we feel it is nice to give freely without asking for
anything in return, if your highway were filled with broken down cars
all asking for a hand, you would quickly get exhausted along with your
resources and you would start charging for your time, just so that you
COULD help and continue to help.
We all only have a small finite amount of time to give out for
free, and even then if we find that the people we give our free time to
waste it, or worse use it to bad ends, we will become wary of who we
give free time to. We start to vet and do triage, and look to the
quality of the person we are helping no matter their need.
Need does not bestow right.
Sure sometimes still we might lend a helping hand to a bad guy,
hoping maybe he might learn a lesson, but if he is going to kill us as
soon as he is on his feet or rip us off for more, it would be better to
not help him, but find someone else in need.
>If we go under the assumption that we are all from one being (Static, Ain
>Sof, whatever) than it's only logical that everytime we give help, we are
>also helping ourselves.
No, if you have a lot of money and give it all to the poor, they
will squander it and then we will all be poor. 'Help' is more than just
giving away afluence to first in line beggars/squanderers, help is
*INVESTMENT*, it is helping others sow and reap a positive return so
that they too can become of positive worth to the cosmic GNP.
You must not only expect a return you must demand it and make sure
you get it. It doesn't have to be short term return, it can be long
term return, it can take a million years to come back to you, it can
merely be that civilization became better because the person you helped
did something of positive net return after you helped him.
But if you just give away your to much of your affluence, to those that are not
producing a positive return, then you will have squandered your alotment
and you will die being a negative return being yourself.
Worse if you give away your affluence to a negative worth
individual, you will have ENABLED them to continue in their
negative worth path thus helping others that they effect to die also.
You actually have a moral duty to NOT help certain people unless
you can turn their production around.
I understand from your posts that you suspect that
>the human race is Gods conscious (or is it unconscious) dream. I share that
>suspicion, but if that's the case, wouldn't giving pure untainted help be
>more pleasing to God than requiring an exchange for that help? Isn't that
>why Karma is such a powerful force?
Help is investment, it is investing in other's abilitys and skills
to invest, to sow and reap a positive profit return in the Sun/Earth
system.
I don't know what you mean by untained help, but if you mean
giving all you have to first in line beggars, then you and they will
shortly have nothing.
That is why people must bid for goods, they
don't get them simply because they were first in line at the
marketplace.
Giving to first in liners is a *VERY* bad investment
policy.
Perhaps once you have created affluence through intelligent
investment and sow and reap cycles, then you can afford to give to first
in liners as pure untainted charity, "Here go waste this too."
>On the other hand, help should be a choice, a choice that's made by a
>persons current spirituality and their means, it should not be a Government
>requirement. Government requirements limit freedom of choice and inhibit
>spiritual growth. Nuts to the Gov't. :-)
Yes.
Government gives help to first in liners, it squanders the
production of the productive and gives it to the non productive or
negative producer.
Homer
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Ralph:
Rubbish. Here people who wish to belong to the established Church
have to pay tithes.
Fredric L. Rice (FRice@LinkLine.COM) wrote:
>That's a travesty of the idea of helping others.
Help is not charity.
All of life activities is help, people co producing and co
exchanging what they have produced.
Charity is a very small subset of help.
Help is people helping *EACH OTHER*.
There is an implicit exchange involved.
Whether two people help each other through co auditing, or one
audits another professionally and the other pays for it with money or
bartered services, its always a paid for exchange.
Even offerings of charity should not go necessarily to those first
in line asking for a hand out. It should be doled to those who are most
likely to make a return.
In a welfare society where everyone has a right to live regardless
of their ability to live, or exchange for help, it becomes fashionable
to think that people should just hand out their work and produce to the
first beggar in line.
In this road is death, as it disrupts Darwinian selection of the
survival of the fittest. Fittest becomes defined as those most capable
of getting first in line, even over other's dead bodies, and asking for
or taking the biggest handout.
"The Foundation of Life is Fair Chosen Exchange."
Homer
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THE HELPING HAND
Nick (nburkacki@nospamyahoo.com) wrote:
>So basically what your saying is, if I ever see you stranded on the side of
>the road cause your battery died. I should just keep going rather than
>offer you my charity?
Well one presumes you are your way to do something of importance in
the world, perhaps helping me fits into that need perhaps not. If you
are racing to a fire to save lives, then by all means pass me by.
The point is not to squander one's help, help is investment,
investing in first in line beggars is not a good investment policy.
I suggest you re read what I wrote without a need to make it wrong,
you might actually understand it.
>If you die (get mugged, ran over, etc..) on the way
>to the gas station 20 miles away, it's just survival of the fittest, think
>nothing of it. Well, I'd rather give you a hand and help you get on your
>way (Wouldn't expect anything in return, neither).
If you give without expecting anything in return then one day you
will have nothing left.
Life is investment, sow and reap cycles, you can plant stones in
the ground all day long, but you get nothing in return, better to plant
seeds.
You OWE it to others who have helped you to make sure that your
investment cycles produce a positive return, and certainly not a
negative return.
Those that squander their energy alotment, end up with nothing, and
they die or become a weight around other's production, and those that
helped them wasted their life energy in a negative return proposition.
Although we feel it is nice to give freely without asking for
anything in return, if your highway were filled with broken down cars
all asking for a hand, you would quickly get exhausted along with your
resources and you would start charging for your time, just so that you
COULD help and continue to help.
We all only have a small finite amount of time to give out for
free, and even then if we find that the people we give our free time to
waste it, or worse use it to bad ends, we will become wary of who we
give free time to. We start to vet and do triage, and look to the
quality of the person we are helping no matter their need.
Need does not bestow right.
Sure sometimes still we might lend a helping hand to a bad guy,
hoping maybe he might learn a lesson, but if he is going to kill us as
soon as he is on his feet or rip us off for more, it would be better to
not help him, but find someone else in need.
>If we go under the assumption that we are all from one being (Static, Ain
>Sof, whatever) than it's only logical that everytime we give help, we are
>also helping ourselves.
No, if you have a lot of money and give it all to the poor, they
will squander it and then we will all be poor. 'Help' is more than just
giving away afluence to first in line beggars/squanderers, help is
*INVESTMENT*, it is helping others sow and reap a positive return so
that they too can become of positive worth to the cosmic GNP.
You must not only expect a return you must demand it and make sure
you get it. It doesn't have to be short term return, it can be long
term return, it can take a million years to come back to you, it can
merely be that civilization became better because the person you helped
did something of positive net return after you helped him.
But if you just give away your to much of your affluence, to those that are not
producing a positive return, then you will have squandered your alotment
and you will die being a negative return being yourself.
Worse if you give away your affluence to a negative worth
individual, you will have ENABLED them to continue in their
negative worth path thus helping others that they effect to die also.
You actually have a moral duty to NOT help certain people unless
you can turn their production around.
I understand from your posts that you suspect that
>the human race is Gods conscious (or is it unconscious) dream. I share that
>suspicion, but if that's the case, wouldn't giving pure untainted help be
>more pleasing to God than requiring an exchange for that help? Isn't that
>why Karma is such a powerful force?
Help is investment, it is investing in other's abilitys and skills
to invest, to sow and reap a positive profit return in the Sun/Earth
system.
I don't know what you mean by untained help, but if you mean
giving all you have to first in line beggars, then you and they will
shortly have nothing.
That is why people must bid for goods, they
don't get them simply because they were first in line at the
marketplace.
Giving to first in liners is a *VERY* bad investment
policy.
Perhaps once you have created affluence through intelligent
investment and sow and reap cycles, then you can afford to give to first
in liners as pure untainted charity, "Here go waste this too."
>On the other hand, help should be a choice, a choice that's made by a
>persons current spirituality and their means, it should not be a Government
>requirement. Government requirements limit freedom of choice and inhibit
>spiritual growth. Nuts to the Gov't. :-)
Yes.
Government gives help to first in liners, it squanders the
production of the productive and gives it to the non productive or
negative producer.
Homer
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Ralph:
Rubbish. Here people who wish to belong to the established Church
have to pay tithes.
Fredric L. Rice (FRice@LinkLine.COM) wrote:
>That's a travesty of the idea of helping others.
Help is not charity.
All of life activities is help, people co producing and co
exchanging what they have produced.
Charity is a very small subset of help.
Help is people helping *EACH OTHER*.
There is an implicit exchange involved.
Whether two people help each other through co auditing, or one
audits another professionally and the other pays for it with money or
bartered services, its always a paid for exchange.
Even offerings of charity should not go necessarily to those first
in line asking for a hand out. It should be doled to those who are most
likely to make a return.
In a welfare society where everyone has a right to live regardless
of their ability to live, or exchange for help, it becomes fashionable
to think that people should just hand out their work and produce to the
first beggar in line.
In this road is death, as it disrupts Darwinian selection of the
survival of the fittest. Fittest becomes defined as those most capable
of getting first in line, even over other's dead bodies, and asking for
or taking the biggest handout.
"The Foundation of Life is Fair Chosen Exchange."
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PhD's AND THE PROOF
> What do the philosophy of science types at Cornell think about the proof?
> You must have shown it to them and sat, arms folded, waiting for them to
> comment...
Nope, I have failed too many times with the PhD's, they are
meatballs through and through.
It KILLS them to try to look at their conscious rendition AS a
conscious rendition rather than as the physical object it purports to
be.
I asked a Math Professor once if one cut open the brain would one
see any 'red' there. He said "Of course there would be lots of red,
there would be red blood all over the place."
The idea of a scalar operating actuality exceeds their willingness
to look.
To them love and shame can of protein, fat and sugar be made :)
Remember Theory 2 is a THEORY. It may get stated in strong
assertions, but in the end the test is in the pudding.
Einstein lived on thought experiments, so we do also.
Imagine a full exteriorization from the body, easy to prove if it
happens strongly enough.
One can nag about where are the people who can do this, as if
surely they would want the world to know.
And we can nag back about being a weapon of war and prime
directives to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
But beyond that what does a full provable exteriorization say about
physics, to be able to see the world without eyes and lens, and live
again as we have lived before, not just on earth but many other places
and other universes?
That physics is wrong?
Or that it is virtual?
Love and shame can not of force and mass be made, neither can pain,
Trying to get a unified theory of everything that contains only
forces and masses will never explain consciousness.
And since perfect certainty is only possible in a self luminous scalar
object (ZEV, Zero Emission Visuals), they had better start figuring out
how to connect a scalar object into a multi manifold object like the brain
in order to maintain that the multi manifold object (physical universe)
exists at all.
Since there is NO evidence and CAN NOT BE any evidence whatsoever
that the physical universe actually exists, one might as well not
bother to assert it does and work with the virtualization theory
instead.
That's Occams Sharpening Strap, don't assert what you can PROVE
you CAN NEVER PROVE.
The produced results of a mature virtualization theory should be
stupendous once one figures out how we create a dream as creator and get
stuck in it as creature.
The responsibility for our own condition is too high for most
meatballs.
"Who me? I CHOSE? How DARE! you. say such a thing."
One can not learn with certainty about A (alleged actual space time)
by looking at B (conscious rendition of space and time).
My only certainty about Theory 1 and Theory 2 is that there IS a valid
Theory 2 that stands with equal stature to Theory 1, and by now probably
exceeds it by a few orders of magnitude.
Enough so that I have long ago stopped worry about death forever,
and now worry about hell forever :)
Homer
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PhD's AND THE PROOF
> What do the philosophy of science types at Cornell think about the proof?
> You must have shown it to them and sat, arms folded, waiting for them to
> comment...
Nope, I have failed too many times with the PhD's, they are
meatballs through and through.
It KILLS them to try to look at their conscious rendition AS a
conscious rendition rather than as the physical object it purports to
be.
I asked a Math Professor once if one cut open the brain would one
see any 'red' there. He said "Of course there would be lots of red,
there would be red blood all over the place."
The idea of a scalar operating actuality exceeds their willingness
to look.
To them love and shame can of protein, fat and sugar be made :)
Remember Theory 2 is a THEORY. It may get stated in strong
assertions, but in the end the test is in the pudding.
Einstein lived on thought experiments, so we do also.
Imagine a full exteriorization from the body, easy to prove if it
happens strongly enough.
One can nag about where are the people who can do this, as if
surely they would want the world to know.
And we can nag back about being a weapon of war and prime
directives to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
But beyond that what does a full provable exteriorization say about
physics, to be able to see the world without eyes and lens, and live
again as we have lived before, not just on earth but many other places
and other universes?
That physics is wrong?
Or that it is virtual?
Love and shame can not of force and mass be made, neither can pain,
Trying to get a unified theory of everything that contains only
forces and masses will never explain consciousness.
And since perfect certainty is only possible in a self luminous scalar
object (ZEV, Zero Emission Visuals), they had better start figuring out
how to connect a scalar object into a multi manifold object like the brain
in order to maintain that the multi manifold object (physical universe)
exists at all.
Since there is NO evidence and CAN NOT BE any evidence whatsoever
that the physical universe actually exists, one might as well not
bother to assert it does and work with the virtualization theory
instead.
That's Occams Sharpening Strap, don't assert what you can PROVE
you CAN NEVER PROVE.
The produced results of a mature virtualization theory should be
stupendous once one figures out how we create a dream as creator and get
stuck in it as creature.
The responsibility for our own condition is too high for most
meatballs.
"Who me? I CHOSE? How DARE! you. say such a thing."
One can not learn with certainty about A (alleged actual space time)
by looking at B (conscious rendition of space and time).
My only certainty about Theory 1 and Theory 2 is that there IS a valid
Theory 2 that stands with equal stature to Theory 1, and by now probably
exceeds it by a few orders of magnitude.
Enough so that I have long ago stopped worry about death forever,
and now worry about hell forever :)
Homer
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GAMES VII
RIGHT AND WRONG
After games have become serious, people can get very serious about
their playing and not playing of games.
One way to win a game by not playing it is to get rid of the
opponent.
This is the football player, who when opposed by an overly able
player on the other team, at the moment of tackle, takes out a gun and
shoots him.
Shooting the other player is not part of the invite, and is
certainly not part of the rules, but there he is doing it anyhow.
The shooter may get to the goal post for a touch down because now
no one will come near him, and those that did are lying on the field
dead, but the nature of the game has changed, it sure ain't football any
more.
When someone tries to win against you by getting you to not play
its called a make wrong, they are making you wrong for being there and
for playing the game as it should be.
People have to be pretty far gone to do this, so if it gives you
the heebie jeebies when you run into it, take a good long look at it.
When you resist back and try to make the make wronger wrong, its
called a make right, you are making yourself right for being in the
game.
You already are right for being in the game, but that won't be
enough to KEEP you in the game when you are up against a psychotic make
wronger.
Psychosis is defined as the effort to stop what you consider you
didn't create. That's a hard one for mortals who consider they didn't
create anything, but the spiritual world works on make it once and it
persists, make it again exactly as you originally made it the first
time, and it vanishes.
It doesn't matter who first made it, if YOU make them making
it, then it becomes YOURS, your get it? Last one to take full
responsibility for the thing in present time, gets to control it.
Put it there, and its YOURS.
Anyhow, even if the other guy is making it in your universe, YOU
had to issue an invite for him to be in your universe before he could do
that, so just duplicate that invite, and it will go poof.
The other then can go ahead and make whatever he wants, but YOU
won't be there to receive it.
Thus when someone becomes unwilling to make something, they get
stuck with it! Only a God could appreciate that irony and justice all
rolled into one.
You might see how too much awareness of this fundamental operating
law might make it hard to keep anything around, particularly when it
comes to the invite to a game.
Thus people need to issue an invite to make the game, then pretend
they never invited the other side in and must fight them to the death,
in order to make sure they stay in.
TOO MUCH CONTINUED AWARENESS OF INVITE CAUSES A GAME TO
DISINTEGRATE.
Thus good people get up in the morning all ready to fight evil
people, but the good people never invite the evil people in for the
day's play, for that, being a reinvite, would end their OWN presence on
the same playing field full of hostiles.
Since the good people aren't PUTTING the evil people on the playing
field, they have no sense of responsibility for evil people's presence
at all, nor any ability or WILLINGNESS to TAKE responsibility away from
the original originator, the good people consider they don't really
desire to play the game in the first place, and thus they elect
themselves as smaller than the game they feel they have to play, and
thus can never win it properly or more importantly just LEAVE it.
If you can't boot the bad guys out, then boot yourself out of their
stadium.
You make yourself smaller than any game you consider you didn't
create, or invite yourself into.
When you are smaller than a game you 'find yourself in', the game
will tend to eat you.
So someone considers they are in a game they didn't create and
didn't choose to be in. They already are feeling vulnerable and smaller
than necessary to win.
So of course such people find you, as an able opponent, to be a
danger to their winning the game, so they will try to out you from the
game by making you wrong for being in it, in an effort to get you to
remove yourself, or handicap yourself so they can win.
Failing that they will use force and deceit to remove you or
incapacitate you from playing.
Make wrongs such as these are the fundamentals of criminality.
Making YOU unable to compete with them is a form of their
CRIMINALITY.
If you do win the game, they will claim they won it instead, that
too, is criminality at play.
Or they will claim you cheated when in fact it was they who were
cheating.
A low tone parent will start the cycle by regretting having the
child in the first place, and thus considering the child a burden.
This is a make wrong of the child.
"YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE, ON MY PLAYING FIELD."
The child fails to take full repsonsibility for the
irresponsibility of the parent and so considers the parent's attitude a
grave injustice.
The child goes into serious woe about it, first tries to be
reasonable, then tries to be forceful, and then tries to be deceitful in
making himself right for being in the game as as child.
Thus he ruins himself to win his mother's attention, praise,
approval, sympathy and teamship, cooperation in survival.
Thus people who make you wrong about being in the game, either
because they don't want you on the team, or consider that you are on the
other side, can make you feel very bad about things, but if you get into
the game of trying to prove the suppressive wrong, of making your self
right against them making you wrong, you will eventually do yourself in.
That's called PTSness, because YOU become the rollercoasting
Potential Trouble Source.
The Suppressive that is making you wrong and trying to
crush you out of existence is already trouble and knows it, he
is also unaditable by you as long as you retain your PTSness
by making the SP wrong at all costs.
Trying to get the SP to say "I am sorry!" ain't going to
happen, so forget it.
Trying to prove the suppressive wrong is making yourself smaller
than the suppressive, who is already feeling smaller than the game THAT
YOU PRESENT TO HIM.
So that's a double whammy on you, not him.
You think you are terrified of him, you know it because you can
feel it, but HE is so terrified of you, you can't imagine it, put it
there, or deal with it, and he has no clue about his own state of abject
terror.
People who are spending all their time fighting the suppressive,
trying to make the suppressive wrong, will be losing massively all
around them in the games of life.
Eventually the only way to win is to join the suppressive and go to
work for him. At first it is a covert attempt to do the suppressive in
from the inside, but eventually you just give up and become his right
hand man.
You start off at No Sympathy, and fall down to unexpressed
resentment, covert hostility towards the suppressive, and end up in
propitiatation and sympathy FOR HIM.
You just won your DB card, Degraded Being.
Every time you fight a make wrong with a make right, you create a
schmoo box for yourself. A schmoo is someone who lives between a rock
and a hard place, but at least he lives.
The suppressive is the hard place.
The SELF IMPOSED LIMITATION is the rock.
"I will be small, invisible, silent and work for you, if you will
just stop bullying me into nonexistence!"
Make wrongs are usually of the form "You are so unable you
shouldn't be here." (They KNOW you are able, but want you to think you
are not.)
Or they say "Prove it!". They already know you are right, they
just want to make sure that YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT so they can then set
about destroying you for good.
So don't go demonstrating any OT powers to these evil clowns.
Make rights are usually of the form "You are right, but I have this
reason I am unable."
The intent is to make the make wronger feel sorry for you and leave
you alone or even start to help you, but what it really does is cement
your condition into the schmoo box with the two postulates:
"You are right, I am unable and unworthy" but
"Here is why, I have no choice about it!"
It's the WHY that drove the nails home on the schmoo box so you
can't get out.
The WHY is an assignment of cause away from yourself who created
not only yourself, the schmoo box, but also the suppressive!
The guy in a schmoo a box ain't putting any part of the scene
there.
Not one part of it, Zero, zip, zilch, nada, squat, rien.
Everything is putting him there! And then nailing him in it!
Spot the why, realize it is a deceit of magnitude, even unto
yourself, and the prior postulate of disability will lift if you want it
to.
Remember it is one thing to create a disability for yourself, and
quite another to create a justification for it, because then you are
stuck with the disability, your justification says so!
"Here is why and I have no choice about it..."
You have to convince the SP that you have no idea about or choice
in suffering the limitation, you have nothing to do with it, or else he
will laugh at you and crush you under.
The minute you postulate you have no choice, you don't.
The postulate that postulates don't work, works.
If you believe it.
And need it to survive.
Homer
GAMES
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games1
GAMES II
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games2
GAMES III
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games3
GAMES IV
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games4
GAMES V
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games5
GAMES VI
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games6
GAMES VII
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games7
GAMES VIII
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games8
GAMES IX
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/games9
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RIGHT AND WRONG
After games have become serious, people can get very serious about
their playing and not playing of games.
One way to win a game by not playing it is to get rid of the
opponent.
This is the football player, who when opposed by an overly able
player on the other team, at the moment of tackle, takes out a gun and
shoots him.
Shooting the other player is not part of the invite, and is
certainly not part of the rules, but there he is doing it anyhow.
The shooter may get to the goal post for a touch down because now
no one will come near him, and those that did are lying on the field
dead, but the nature of the game has changed, it sure ain't football any
more.
When someone tries to win against you by getting you to not play
its called a make wrong, they are making you wrong for being there and
for playing the game as it should be.
People have to be pretty far gone to do this, so if it gives you
the heebie jeebies when you run into it, take a good long look at it.
When you resist back and try to make the make wronger wrong, its
called a make right, you are making yourself right for being in the
game.
You already are right for being in the game, but that won't be
enough to KEEP you in the game when you are up against a psychotic make
wronger.
Psychosis is defined as the effort to stop what you consider you
didn't create. That's a hard one for mortals who consider they didn't
create anything, but the spiritual world works on make it once and it
persists, make it again exactly as you originally made it the first
time, and it vanishes.
It doesn't matter who first made it, if YOU make them making
it, then it becomes YOURS, your get it? Last one to take full
responsibility for the thing in present time, gets to control it.
Put it there, and its YOURS.
Anyhow, even if the other guy is making it in your universe, YOU
had to issue an invite for him to be in your universe before he could do
that, so just duplicate that invite, and it will go poof.
The other then can go ahead and make whatever he wants, but YOU
won't be there to receive it.
Thus when someone becomes unwilling to make something, they get
stuck with it! Only a God could appreciate that irony and justice all
rolled into one.
You might see how too much awareness of this fundamental operating
law might make it hard to keep anything around, particularly when it
comes to the invite to a game.
Thus people need to issue an invite to make the game, then pretend
they never invited the other side in and must fight them to the death,
in order to make sure they stay in.
TOO MUCH CONTINUED AWARENESS OF INVITE CAUSES A GAME TO
DISINTEGRATE.
Thus good people get up in the morning all ready to fight evil
people, but the good people never invite the evil people in for the
day's play, for that, being a reinvite, would end their OWN presence on
the same playing field full of hostiles.
Since the good people aren't PUTTING the evil people on the playing
field, they have no sense of responsibility for evil people's presence
at all, nor any ability or WILLINGNESS to TAKE responsibility away from
the original originator, the good people consider they don't really
desire to play the game in the first place, and thus they elect
themselves as smaller than the game they feel they have to play, and
thus can never win it properly or more importantly just LEAVE it.
If you can't boot the bad guys out, then boot yourself out of their
stadium.
You make yourself smaller than any game you consider you didn't
create, or invite yourself into.
When you are smaller than a game you 'find yourself in', the game
will tend to eat you.
So someone considers they are in a game they didn't create and
didn't choose to be in. They already are feeling vulnerable and smaller
than necessary to win.
So of course such people find you, as an able opponent, to be a
danger to their winning the game, so they will try to out you from the
game by making you wrong for being in it, in an effort to get you to
remove yourself, or handicap yourself so they can win.
Failing that they will use force and deceit to remove you or
incapacitate you from playing.
Make wrongs such as these are the fundamentals of criminality.
Making YOU unable to compete with them is a form of their
CRIMINALITY.
If you do win the game, they will claim they won it instead, that
too, is criminality at play.
Or they will claim you cheated when in fact it was they who were
cheating.
A low tone parent will start the cycle by regretting having the
child in the first place, and thus considering the child a burden.
This is a make wrong of the child.
"YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE, ON MY PLAYING FIELD."
The child fails to take full repsonsibility for the
irresponsibility of the parent and so considers the parent's attitude a
grave injustice.
The child goes into serious woe about it, first tries to be
reasonable, then tries to be forceful, and then tries to be deceitful in
making himself right for being in the game as as child.
Thus he ruins himself to win his mother's attention, praise,
approval, sympathy and teamship, cooperation in survival.
Thus people who make you wrong about being in the game, either
because they don't want you on the team, or consider that you are on the
other side, can make you feel very bad about things, but if you get into
the game of trying to prove the suppressive wrong, of making your self
right against them making you wrong, you will eventually do yourself in.
That's called PTSness, because YOU become the rollercoasting
Potential Trouble Source.
The Suppressive that is making you wrong and trying to
crush you out of existence is already trouble and knows it, he
is also unaditable by you as long as you retain your PTSness
by making the SP wrong at all costs.
Trying to get the SP to say "I am sorry!" ain't going to
happen, so forget it.
Trying to prove the suppressive wrong is making yourself smaller
than the suppressive, who is already feeling smaller than the game THAT
YOU PRESENT TO HIM.
So that's a double whammy on you, not him.
You think you are terrified of him, you know it because you can
feel it, but HE is so terrified of you, you can't imagine it, put it
there, or deal with it, and he has no clue about his own state of abject
terror.
People who are spending all their time fighting the suppressive,
trying to make the suppressive wrong, will be losing massively all
around them in the games of life.
Eventually the only way to win is to join the suppressive and go to
work for him. At first it is a covert attempt to do the suppressive in
from the inside, but eventually you just give up and become his right
hand man.
You start off at No Sympathy, and fall down to unexpressed
resentment, covert hostility towards the suppressive, and end up in
propitiatation and sympathy FOR HIM.
You just won your DB card, Degraded Being.
Every time you fight a make wrong with a make right, you create a
schmoo box for yourself. A schmoo is someone who lives between a rock
and a hard place, but at least he lives.
The suppressive is the hard place.
The SELF IMPOSED LIMITATION is the rock.
"I will be small, invisible, silent and work for you, if you will
just stop bullying me into nonexistence!"
Make wrongs are usually of the form "You are so unable you
shouldn't be here." (They KNOW you are able, but want you to think you
are not.)
Or they say "Prove it!". They already know you are right, they
just want to make sure that YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT so they can then set
about destroying you for good.
So don't go demonstrating any OT powers to these evil clowns.
Make rights are usually of the form "You are right, but I have this
reason I am unable."
The intent is to make the make wronger feel sorry for you and leave
you alone or even start to help you, but what it really does is cement
your condition into the schmoo box with the two postulates:
"You are right, I am unable and unworthy" but
"Here is why, I have no choice about it!"
It's the WHY that drove the nails home on the schmoo box so you
can't get out.
The WHY is an assignment of cause away from yourself who created
not only yourself, the schmoo box, but also the suppressive!
The guy in a schmoo a box ain't putting any part of the scene
there.
Not one part of it, Zero, zip, zilch, nada, squat, rien.
Everything is putting him there! And then nailing him in it!
Spot the why, realize it is a deceit of magnitude, even unto
yourself, and the prior postulate of disability will lift if you want it
to.
Remember it is one thing to create a disability for yourself, and
quite another to create a justification for it, because then you are
stuck with the disability, your justification says so!
"Here is why and I have no choice about it..."
You have to convince the SP that you have no idea about or choice
in suffering the limitation, you have nothing to do with it, or else he
will laugh at you and crush you under.
The minute you postulate you have no choice, you don't.
The postulate that postulates don't work, works.
If you believe it.
And need it to survive.
Homer
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NO DESIRE AND DESIRE II
Desire is dissatisfaction with the here now, usually accompanied by
a more desirable vision of a there then. The game becomes to realize
the envisioned there then into the here now.
When it comes to operating desire, the being has three choices.
He can put something where there is nothing. This is the prime act
of creation.
He can put nothing where there is something. This is the prime act
of destruction (through as-isness).
He can change something into something else. This is the prime act
of change.
Thus we have start, change, stop.
Change is best accomplished by first destroying what one doesn't
want and then putting in its place something one does want.
Trying to change A into B is alter-isness, but as-ising A, and then
putting B in its place completes a clean cycle of change.
To a being that can create in the mere conception of things, desire
can be a problem.
One might think this wouldn't be the case, since by desiring and
thus conceiving of something he would immediately get it, and by not
desiring and thus unconceiving of something, he would immediately remove
it.
Thus changing the unwanted here now to a wanted there then should
be an easy process, as easy as getting it right in your mind's eye.
Locate what you don't want.
Locate what you do want,
Thus it should be made so, in the proper deconception of the old
and conception of the new.
However at deeper levels of game play, desire has desired to not be
so sovereign, desire wants a game which it can lose, to which the
outcome is uncertain and to which the desired end result is in the
future after appropriate amounts of chase.
Thus desire can enjoy the chase and not know the outcome until
the end. This allows the other side to win on an 'even steven' basis.
That an Omni Sovereign being would create a game of chase that
he could lose, is absurd on the face of it.
It doesn't help that it's true.
THE MECHANISM
We have learned in prior postings on 'Self Answering Questions',
that some questions are the cause of their own continuance.
What creates a condition and what continues the condition are two
completely different causes.
This is because creating an as-isness which originates something,
and creating an alter-isness which continues something are two different
actions even though they may be applied at the same time, in one move.
Thus in a dream anything can start a tidal wave coming at you but
it will continue only if you 'grab the ball and run with it'.
Only if you 'get into the problem' of the tidal wave, get worried,
concerned, and start to run from it, will the tidal wave get bigger,
because now you are putting your own energy into its existence. This is
one of the rules of dream magic, if someone tosses you a ball, and you
grab the ball and run with it in all seriousness, well then you will
have a ball.
On the other hand if you simply face the tidal wave and say 'not
now' you can smooth it out so it no longer comes at you. Of course your
dream may initiate some other thing that will then need to be handled,
as that is what dreams do, but only those things that get you to flinch,
take them for actual and start to DO something about them will grow and
eventually overcome you.
You see DOING something about them is creating MORE CAUSE to deal
with prior cause. The commitment to DOING pre assumes that the event
won't just fade on its own, so it doesn't. But the DOING itself is a
form of chase which may work or may not work, so the postulates and
considerations of a continuing losable game are thus present.
THE CYCLE OF DREAM MAGIC
Postulate: There is a tidal wave coming at me.
Consideration: It won't stop on its own.
Consideration: I will have to DO something to save myself or
else...!
SELF ANSWERING QUESTION: "WHAT SHOULD I DO?"
WRONG INDICATION: "RUN".
The postulate thus is continued by the later considerations about
how to deal with it, because the later considerations PRE POSTULATE
that the primary postulate won't vanish on its own.
EVERY POSTULATE EVER MADE IS SELF VANISHING, although it may have a
short persistence like the phosphor on a TV screen.
The reason the image stays on the TV screen is because the image is
refreshed 60 times a second. It is postulated over and over again to
create the illusion of a persisting postulate.
Just so with primary postulates, they are continuously refreshed so
they never vanish, by the subsequent CONTINUOUS considerations that they
won't, and the resulting commitment to the effort to ask and answer the
self answering question, "what to do", followed by carrying out the
wrong indication answer.
The later considerations, question asking (figure figure) and
efforts are an effort to CAUSE MORE NOW to deal with a prior cause, and
they pre postulate (assume) that the prior cause, the primary postulate,
is not self vanishing.
That creates an alter-isness of an as-isness, so it isn't an self
vanishing as-isness any more, so it then gets continuously created in
present time as a persisting 'truth'.
Every time the guy looks he says "Yep that tidal wave is still
there and its still coming after me, I better run harder."
He considers that he is making an observation 'that the tidal wave
is still there', when in fact his observation is a CAUSAL POSTULATE
putting the tidal wave there every time he does it.
Thus he continuously refreshes the existence of the tidal wave, and
away he goes down the time line in a desperate chase for his survival.
Try running away from a tidal wave sometime.
Great fun. No Hope.
Running away from things puts one down at being EATEN on the know
to mystery scale.
In dream time magic, flinch is born of ignorance and lack of faith,
in other words operating know how.
Part of this mechanism of continuance lies in the mechanics of
asking questions.
You see a tidal wave in your dream that you didn't start and you
ask 'WHY IS THAT?
Ostensibly the question is a sensible effort to find the wave's
original cause, but notice the question assumes that the tidal wave
still IS.
Thus the power of the postulate that the wave still is goes into
making the wave still be. Thus it gets bigger.
In the physical universe we don't believe that our postulates about
things being or not being carry any power to create or uncreate
conditions, thus we are taught to seek their original causes and thus we
may be able to deal with further outbreaks by causing more, giving them
medicine.
For example a population gets sick and starts dying. Certainly our
question 'Why are they dying' isn't influencing the continuance of the
condition as it might in a dream, our only hope is to find the original
cause and possibly take care of it that way.
But in dreams, the laws of origination and continuance are a bit
more forgiving. As Adore says,
"Why is it?
Say, It is.
Say, Why?
Say, It is.
Say, Why?
That's why.
Some people are so dumb they can't do the wrong thing twice." -
Adore
So in dreams, questions about origination and continuance of
conditions can actually cause the continuance of the condition so
queried. This is a kind of magic that can get a being into very deep
trouble, but is easy to resolve once he sees the mechanism behind it.
Too easy perhaps which is maybe why we have moved on from dream
universes to the killer pit we occupy now.
In dreams flinch is king. If you relax the bugs will fall off you,
if you don't they will eat you.
Things in dreams are as solid as you worry and wonder about them.
Relax and you can walk through walls.
Now desire in the physical universe is very much the same way.
If you say I don't like this, you have just said in the same
breath, it is, because it wouldn't be there to not like if you weren't
is-ing it in the first place.
Spot a psychosomatic condition and run
"Why is it?"
on it for a while. Watch it go more solid.
The run,
"It is. Why?"
and see what happens.
If one then gets into a big production trying to change something,
one can get very stuck with it. Desiring to change something assumes it
is there to change, so adds the power of one's own postulates into the
continuance of the very condition one wants to change.
Now I know we have said that the physical universe is a rougher
place than dreams, and our postulates about asteroids and diseases may
not have the power to continue or smooth out things that they do in
dreams.
But the physical universe is actually an add on universe to make
games harder to play and more persisting, but has as it foundations all
the universes earlier than it, including the dream universes! Thus at
all times in the physical universe, all prior universes are still
operating in their own sphere of influence.
The laws of a dream universe still apply therefore to those parts
of our physical universe existence that are made of these earlier
universes.
The first and most obvious candidate for dream universe rules is
our own case state.
The being at some time in the past suffered a failure, and got a
restimulation of an earlier engram in play. That's his tidal wave.
He didn't start it, he didn't expect it, although he may have a
long ago postulate that something like this could happen.
He asks 'What is causing this?' and thus continues it with his
postulate that it IS. This alarms him because the more he LOOKS for the
cause, the worse the somatic becomes. Finding the original cause of the
somatic is not important, finding the source of its continuance IS, you
see?
Then he goes into doubt about himself, his sovereignty, about
whether there is uninvited other cause in the universe affecting him,
and Oh Lord that puts him into a worry feed back loop that saturates him
straight into the unconfrontable.
But then he finds a good use for the somatic to make others wrong
and now he is stuck with it. It may SEEM like it is as rock hard as the
physical universe, but that's what is giving him the pay off.
Nonetheless in fact our psychosomatic cases run on dream rules.
Origination is not important, continuance is, and continuance is
caused by asking self answering questions that try to resolve the
condition after implying that the somatic exists.
"Why am I so sick?"
Well you gotta BE sick, in order to wonder why.
Thus you may not be able to stop an asteroid coming in by running
self answering questions, but you certainly can handle migraines,
breathing problems, eye sight, cancers, arthritis and the rest of
medical quakery using straight forward auditing.
THE QUESTION is the answer to the condition, because once he spots
how the question is causing the continuance, the origination becomes
unimportant and the condition stands down.
The particular question involved causing the continuance that is
bothering him may be subtle as hell and take him a long time to find.
It can be hard as hell to get the being near the material that
needs to be confronted, but the whole mess is kept in place by flinch,
cringe, doubt and wonder, i.e. self continuing questions.
Now remember case was created to handle loss.
You may be very able to remove the case the guy has created (which
didn't actually help him for long at all), but then he is still sitting
in that original loss.
That loss may need physical universe rules to handle it.
It is this that makes handling case seem physical universe tough
rather than merely dream tough.
He lost his family, no amount of easy low level human dream
universe postulation is going to bring them back or do away with the
need for one. He needs to get up, go out and DO something to build a
new one from scratch, and fast.
But he doesn't have to suffer sleepness nights and migraines while
he does so, you see?
In the absence of an ability to recover from the loss, the guy
still needs his 'solution', his dream case.
He KNOWS that letting go of the flinch isn't going to handle this
one, and he is afraid that the charge on his loss will kill his body in
present time and in fact it might.
Here is where you are up against the kind of game the being is
playing.
Nominally a being wants to play a game where he can play, desire to
win, but not need to win.
Certainly once the game is done, he can fire up another game even
more challenging, and carry on forever, or until he desires to Big
Snooze it, up at native state.
No playing field lasts forever, each is created in a while, once
all games are expended in a playing field, the being will fold it up, or
sell it for scrap to another team, take a rest, then reengage in another
full cycle of manifestation again.
It is pretty easy to audit such a being because he has no worries
about forevers and nevers which violate his sovereignty. In fact he
pretty much knows he is game creator and game player, and thus does not
build any charge while he is playing.
If he desires to change something, his initial statement that the
unwanted condition IS is sufficient to as-is it, so it isn't!
AS LONG AS HE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY AND PUTS IT THERE, OR PUTS THERE
THE BEING WHO DID PUT IT THERE.
Nothing can out persist being put there.
Then he can get to work putting in place the new condition he
envisioned that was more desirable.
Thus he can continue to diswant things and want other things, and
not build a wake of charge behind him that comes from resisting,
resenting, protesting and denying responsibility for initial conditions
that he wants to change.
Most of the people walking around on the street in a body however
are not in this condition. They may theetie wheetie on you and claim
they are, but if they are rock solid in their head, or locked into
taking care of their body, they are lying to themselves and to you.
These guys are playing this is my only body, my only game, and if I
lose this game, I will lose all games forever more, and I will do
ANYTHING to keep this game going for as long as I can.
And rest assured they have attempted and will attempt to do
anything to keep it going, which will be their overt track that needs
confession.
Most overts are on the subject of getting into desirable games and
staying in them, or getting out of undesirable games and staying out.
The way to happiness is a true confession. - Electra.
Now these guys are not happy. From their present time point of
view they do not want to be playing a 'one and only game' upon the
winning of which the existence of all future games depend.
That is much like Sisyphus' Wheel, where in he had to keep rolling
it up the hill forever, and if he failed from exhaustion he would fall
into the fires of hell forever more.
Try to get them to relax and you find that breathing is not
sufficient reason to be for them, they live in a background of pain,
hurry, resentment and anger, fear and sorrow. They gotta keep DOING to
feel positive.
Doing is running.
These guys are in hell, you audit them a bit and they start turning
on walls of fire.
They KNOW their body won't live through that, so they close it
right on down and that's the end of auditing them.
They are better off not being better off you see?
If they were willing to lose their body, if personal integrity were
more important than immediate animal life, then perhaps you could keep
them in session.
But they believe that the loss of their one and only body means the
loss of all future games forever more, and well, personal integrity
can't hold a candle to staying alive.
Now YOU as an auditor have a question to face.
By exactly what route did a being who desires to play games forever
more (broken into sovereign whiles), come to be playing games that he is
not willing to play or lose, which in the end he will lose anyhow, and
once lost mean the end of all other games forever for free?
There are lots of meatballs around, go ask one.
Some of your mortal meatballs will admit they want to live forever
but just don't believe it is real, they have crossed the point of no
return, across that event horizon of the black hole that a mere moment
of self casting doubt of eternality and sovereign responsibility brings
upon a being.
"I didn't desire this!" ("Did I? Wonder, wonder, wonder...")
Now their sovereignty is lost.
Can you find that desire to not desire something but be stuck in it
anyhow, for them, and rehab it so they can and would do it again?
Forget mocking up the clearing course, get them to mockup the
decision to be non sovereign until they don't stick on the wrong side of
the event horizon, outside of which they can no longer see.
The moment one chooses to not know, one can no longer remember or
know the moment he chose to not know either!
Once you come into the black hole of mortality, the coming in is
*GONE*.
Only by practicing this mechanism of coming in and forgetting, can
he then pop out, because trying to come in puts you out because you
can't come in unless you ARE out.
Postulating that you are coming in, prepostulates that you are out!
Thus a strong enough postulate that you WANT to come in, will
automatically put you out for just the moment before you come in. After
doing this for a while, during that moment of being out, you can change
your mind and not come in, and thus remain out.
The rest of your mortal meatball cases won't even admit to wanting
to live forever. They want to live as long as they can, because death
scares the hell out of them, but they don't want to live forever,
because immortality scares them worse as all immortalities in time
eventually turn into hells forever.
They are stuck in the Grand Daddy AND of all time:
I don't want to die forever, and I don't want to live forever.
This is the 'I've had time enough for love' case.
They have turned it into a "I've had time enough for sorrow."
And that might be true.
They are willing to do their time, but at the end they want to be
dead, to sorrow no more.
These are your bashers on a.r.s, your jokers and degraders on
a.c.t, your Ad Hominem Factories on The Phil ScottTissue Show, and your
dieticians, gym teachers, and drug pushers, uh, I mean doctors infesting
the rest of the channels of life.
There is a *LOT* of anger, fear, and sorrow to run here, its hard
to confront the sad eyes, even for those who know how to laugh, and can
find sympathy for evil stuck in tar.
But even evil can cry because down deep all evil was good at one
time and in fact is BEING evil now out of a good intent.
Go figure.
The flinch, doubt and wonder of a meatball can put YOU into wonder
as an auditor, WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THIS TO THEMSELVES, SURELY THERE
IS NO RESPONSIBILITY HERE!
The moment the state of the preclear not putting things there
freaks the auditor out to a point of being unable to put the
preclear there, the session is gone.
So you gotta watch it and know what you are handling because
wondering about sovereignty will sink anyone into solid rock.
Sovereignty is what the being desires, messing with it is messing
with his desire.
But sovereignty desires non sovereignty for a while, that's the Imp
Soul operating.
This intent, motivation and 'aesthetic to being mortal' exceeds the
mortals ability to duplicate because it can only be operated by an
timeless eternal (outside of time) who has become sick of timeful
immortality (in time).
The bridge that you need to create for these people is a bridge
back the way they came from endless game playing, to only one game to
play and that's it bud.
The day they connected all future games to the winning and losing
of the present game, was the day it all went wrong for them.
That's the event horizon of the couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't have
created this thing, that they could, would and did.
They can't believe it, and that's a break with themselves, their
own choice, intent, motivation, purpose and volition.
Imagine an atomic explosion creating an immortal black hole.
That's what happened.
Desire became serious, the idea 'it is' no longer caused an
as-isness, but in fact caused a further persistence, because the is was
resented as uninvited.
"It is, and God damn it to hell forever!"
It ain't going to vanish with that postulate that you want it to IS
long enough to suffer in hell forever.
The last act of a being trying to as-is something is to pray to
another to destroy or punish it forever for him.
Thus any efforts to change the here now to a better there then
resulted in resistence, flinch, cringe, wonder, protest, resentment,
persistence and MASS. A wake of mental mass left behind and covering
the being as he tried to cut the ice of life changing things he didn't
want into things he did want.
The more he resents the ice, the colder and more absent of life it
becomes.
Eventually he bogs down and can't move in the ice any more, and he
finally BECOMES ice.
He has no clue what he REALLY wants any more, he has buried that
under 100's of layers of substitute desires and reactivity, so no wonder
it builds mass.
Everything he really wants he can't have, and he thinks what he has
he didn't want. So what is there left to be do or have except insanity?
If you take an infinite free being and turn him into a finite Only
Oncer, that will create a wake of infinite mass that only the infinite
being can audit.
The mortal can't handle the charge on mortality, let alone the
charge on immortality.
Too much death, screaming pity, shame, blame, regret, chagrin and
looking for why it happened and continued.
He can't wrap his wits around taking responsibility for having
abandoned total responsibility long ago.
He can't put it there, how much he isn't putting things there.
And that is the ultimate problem facing the eternal auditor of
immortals bound to hell forever and mortals bound to death forever.
The preclear himself must be willing to touch eternity again in
session in order to look at what he created as an eternal, then as an
immortal and then as a mortal. Then WHEN HE CAN PUT IT THERE he can let
it go and it will vanish.
You can not offer nor sell salvation to being, he has to be
ready for it, really, and seek and reach for it.
You can put out a sign saying salvation offered here, but if no one
knocks, there is nothing you can do about it, go out and smell the
eternal roses.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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NO DESIRE AND DESIRE II
Desire is dissatisfaction with the here now, usually accompanied by
a more desirable vision of a there then. The game becomes to realize
the envisioned there then into the here now.
When it comes to operating desire, the being has three choices.
He can put something where there is nothing. This is the prime act
of creation.
He can put nothing where there is something. This is the prime act
of destruction (through as-isness).
He can change something into something else. This is the prime act
of change.
Thus we have start, change, stop.
Change is best accomplished by first destroying what one doesn't
want and then putting in its place something one does want.
Trying to change A into B is alter-isness, but as-ising A, and then
putting B in its place completes a clean cycle of change.
To a being that can create in the mere conception of things, desire
can be a problem.
One might think this wouldn't be the case, since by desiring and
thus conceiving of something he would immediately get it, and by not
desiring and thus unconceiving of something, he would immediately remove
it.
Thus changing the unwanted here now to a wanted there then should
be an easy process, as easy as getting it right in your mind's eye.
Locate what you don't want.
Locate what you do want,
Thus it should be made so, in the proper deconception of the old
and conception of the new.
However at deeper levels of game play, desire has desired to not be
so sovereign, desire wants a game which it can lose, to which the
outcome is uncertain and to which the desired end result is in the
future after appropriate amounts of chase.
Thus desire can enjoy the chase and not know the outcome until
the end. This allows the other side to win on an 'even steven' basis.
That an Omni Sovereign being would create a game of chase that
he could lose, is absurd on the face of it.
It doesn't help that it's true.
THE MECHANISM
We have learned in prior postings on 'Self Answering Questions',
that some questions are the cause of their own continuance.
What creates a condition and what continues the condition are two
completely different causes.
This is because creating an as-isness which originates something,
and creating an alter-isness which continues something are two different
actions even though they may be applied at the same time, in one move.
Thus in a dream anything can start a tidal wave coming at you but
it will continue only if you 'grab the ball and run with it'.
Only if you 'get into the problem' of the tidal wave, get worried,
concerned, and start to run from it, will the tidal wave get bigger,
because now you are putting your own energy into its existence. This is
one of the rules of dream magic, if someone tosses you a ball, and you
grab the ball and run with it in all seriousness, well then you will
have a ball.
On the other hand if you simply face the tidal wave and say 'not
now' you can smooth it out so it no longer comes at you. Of course your
dream may initiate some other thing that will then need to be handled,
as that is what dreams do, but only those things that get you to flinch,
take them for actual and start to DO something about them will grow and
eventually overcome you.
You see DOING something about them is creating MORE CAUSE to deal
with prior cause. The commitment to DOING pre assumes that the event
won't just fade on its own, so it doesn't. But the DOING itself is a
form of chase which may work or may not work, so the postulates and
considerations of a continuing losable game are thus present.
THE CYCLE OF DREAM MAGIC
Postulate: There is a tidal wave coming at me.
Consideration: It won't stop on its own.
Consideration: I will have to DO something to save myself or
else...!
SELF ANSWERING QUESTION: "WHAT SHOULD I DO?"
WRONG INDICATION: "RUN".
The postulate thus is continued by the later considerations about
how to deal with it, because the later considerations PRE POSTULATE
that the primary postulate won't vanish on its own.
EVERY POSTULATE EVER MADE IS SELF VANISHING, although it may have a
short persistence like the phosphor on a TV screen.
The reason the image stays on the TV screen is because the image is
refreshed 60 times a second. It is postulated over and over again to
create the illusion of a persisting postulate.
Just so with primary postulates, they are continuously refreshed so
they never vanish, by the subsequent CONTINUOUS considerations that they
won't, and the resulting commitment to the effort to ask and answer the
self answering question, "what to do", followed by carrying out the
wrong indication answer.
The later considerations, question asking (figure figure) and
efforts are an effort to CAUSE MORE NOW to deal with a prior cause, and
they pre postulate (assume) that the prior cause, the primary postulate,
is not self vanishing.
That creates an alter-isness of an as-isness, so it isn't an self
vanishing as-isness any more, so it then gets continuously created in
present time as a persisting 'truth'.
Every time the guy looks he says "Yep that tidal wave is still
there and its still coming after me, I better run harder."
He considers that he is making an observation 'that the tidal wave
is still there', when in fact his observation is a CAUSAL POSTULATE
putting the tidal wave there every time he does it.
Thus he continuously refreshes the existence of the tidal wave, and
away he goes down the time line in a desperate chase for his survival.
Try running away from a tidal wave sometime.
Great fun. No Hope.
Running away from things puts one down at being EATEN on the know
to mystery scale.
In dream time magic, flinch is born of ignorance and lack of faith,
in other words operating know how.
Part of this mechanism of continuance lies in the mechanics of
asking questions.
You see a tidal wave in your dream that you didn't start and you
ask 'WHY IS THAT?
Ostensibly the question is a sensible effort to find the wave's
original cause, but notice the question assumes that the tidal wave
still IS.
Thus the power of the postulate that the wave still is goes into
making the wave still be. Thus it gets bigger.
In the physical universe we don't believe that our postulates about
things being or not being carry any power to create or uncreate
conditions, thus we are taught to seek their original causes and thus we
may be able to deal with further outbreaks by causing more, giving them
medicine.
For example a population gets sick and starts dying. Certainly our
question 'Why are they dying' isn't influencing the continuance of the
condition as it might in a dream, our only hope is to find the original
cause and possibly take care of it that way.
But in dreams, the laws of origination and continuance are a bit
more forgiving. As Adore says,
"Why is it?
Say, It is.
Say, Why?
Say, It is.
Say, Why?
That's why.
Some people are so dumb they can't do the wrong thing twice." -
Adore
So in dreams, questions about origination and continuance of
conditions can actually cause the continuance of the condition so
queried. This is a kind of magic that can get a being into very deep
trouble, but is easy to resolve once he sees the mechanism behind it.
Too easy perhaps which is maybe why we have moved on from dream
universes to the killer pit we occupy now.
In dreams flinch is king. If you relax the bugs will fall off you,
if you don't they will eat you.
Things in dreams are as solid as you worry and wonder about them.
Relax and you can walk through walls.
Now desire in the physical universe is very much the same way.
If you say I don't like this, you have just said in the same
breath, it is, because it wouldn't be there to not like if you weren't
is-ing it in the first place.
Spot a psychosomatic condition and run
"Why is it?"
on it for a while. Watch it go more solid.
The run,
"It is. Why?"
and see what happens.
If one then gets into a big production trying to change something,
one can get very stuck with it. Desiring to change something assumes it
is there to change, so adds the power of one's own postulates into the
continuance of the very condition one wants to change.
Now I know we have said that the physical universe is a rougher
place than dreams, and our postulates about asteroids and diseases may
not have the power to continue or smooth out things that they do in
dreams.
But the physical universe is actually an add on universe to make
games harder to play and more persisting, but has as it foundations all
the universes earlier than it, including the dream universes! Thus at
all times in the physical universe, all prior universes are still
operating in their own sphere of influence.
The laws of a dream universe still apply therefore to those parts
of our physical universe existence that are made of these earlier
universes.
The first and most obvious candidate for dream universe rules is
our own case state.
The being at some time in the past suffered a failure, and got a
restimulation of an earlier engram in play. That's his tidal wave.
He didn't start it, he didn't expect it, although he may have a
long ago postulate that something like this could happen.
He asks 'What is causing this?' and thus continues it with his
postulate that it IS. This alarms him because the more he LOOKS for the
cause, the worse the somatic becomes. Finding the original cause of the
somatic is not important, finding the source of its continuance IS, you
see?
Then he goes into doubt about himself, his sovereignty, about
whether there is uninvited other cause in the universe affecting him,
and Oh Lord that puts him into a worry feed back loop that saturates him
straight into the unconfrontable.
But then he finds a good use for the somatic to make others wrong
and now he is stuck with it. It may SEEM like it is as rock hard as the
physical universe, but that's what is giving him the pay off.
Nonetheless in fact our psychosomatic cases run on dream rules.
Origination is not important, continuance is, and continuance is
caused by asking self answering questions that try to resolve the
condition after implying that the somatic exists.
"Why am I so sick?"
Well you gotta BE sick, in order to wonder why.
Thus you may not be able to stop an asteroid coming in by running
self answering questions, but you certainly can handle migraines,
breathing problems, eye sight, cancers, arthritis and the rest of
medical quakery using straight forward auditing.
THE QUESTION is the answer to the condition, because once he spots
how the question is causing the continuance, the origination becomes
unimportant and the condition stands down.
The particular question involved causing the continuance that is
bothering him may be subtle as hell and take him a long time to find.
It can be hard as hell to get the being near the material that
needs to be confronted, but the whole mess is kept in place by flinch,
cringe, doubt and wonder, i.e. self continuing questions.
Now remember case was created to handle loss.
You may be very able to remove the case the guy has created (which
didn't actually help him for long at all), but then he is still sitting
in that original loss.
That loss may need physical universe rules to handle it.
It is this that makes handling case seem physical universe tough
rather than merely dream tough.
He lost his family, no amount of easy low level human dream
universe postulation is going to bring them back or do away with the
need for one. He needs to get up, go out and DO something to build a
new one from scratch, and fast.
But he doesn't have to suffer sleepness nights and migraines while
he does so, you see?
In the absence of an ability to recover from the loss, the guy
still needs his 'solution', his dream case.
He KNOWS that letting go of the flinch isn't going to handle this
one, and he is afraid that the charge on his loss will kill his body in
present time and in fact it might.
Here is where you are up against the kind of game the being is
playing.
Nominally a being wants to play a game where he can play, desire to
win, but not need to win.
Certainly once the game is done, he can fire up another game even
more challenging, and carry on forever, or until he desires to Big
Snooze it, up at native state.
No playing field lasts forever, each is created in a while, once
all games are expended in a playing field, the being will fold it up, or
sell it for scrap to another team, take a rest, then reengage in another
full cycle of manifestation again.
It is pretty easy to audit such a being because he has no worries
about forevers and nevers which violate his sovereignty. In fact he
pretty much knows he is game creator and game player, and thus does not
build any charge while he is playing.
If he desires to change something, his initial statement that the
unwanted condition IS is sufficient to as-is it, so it isn't!
AS LONG AS HE TAKES RESPONSIBILITY AND PUTS IT THERE, OR PUTS THERE
THE BEING WHO DID PUT IT THERE.
Nothing can out persist being put there.
Then he can get to work putting in place the new condition he
envisioned that was more desirable.
Thus he can continue to diswant things and want other things, and
not build a wake of charge behind him that comes from resisting,
resenting, protesting and denying responsibility for initial conditions
that he wants to change.
Most of the people walking around on the street in a body however
are not in this condition. They may theetie wheetie on you and claim
they are, but if they are rock solid in their head, or locked into
taking care of their body, they are lying to themselves and to you.
These guys are playing this is my only body, my only game, and if I
lose this game, I will lose all games forever more, and I will do
ANYTHING to keep this game going for as long as I can.
And rest assured they have attempted and will attempt to do
anything to keep it going, which will be their overt track that needs
confession.
Most overts are on the subject of getting into desirable games and
staying in them, or getting out of undesirable games and staying out.
The way to happiness is a true confession. - Electra.
Now these guys are not happy. From their present time point of
view they do not want to be playing a 'one and only game' upon the
winning of which the existence of all future games depend.
That is much like Sisyphus' Wheel, where in he had to keep rolling
it up the hill forever, and if he failed from exhaustion he would fall
into the fires of hell forever more.
Try to get them to relax and you find that breathing is not
sufficient reason to be for them, they live in a background of pain,
hurry, resentment and anger, fear and sorrow. They gotta keep DOING to
feel positive.
Doing is running.
These guys are in hell, you audit them a bit and they start turning
on walls of fire.
They KNOW their body won't live through that, so they close it
right on down and that's the end of auditing them.
They are better off not being better off you see?
If they were willing to lose their body, if personal integrity were
more important than immediate animal life, then perhaps you could keep
them in session.
But they believe that the loss of their one and only body means the
loss of all future games forever more, and well, personal integrity
can't hold a candle to staying alive.
Now YOU as an auditor have a question to face.
By exactly what route did a being who desires to play games forever
more (broken into sovereign whiles), come to be playing games that he is
not willing to play or lose, which in the end he will lose anyhow, and
once lost mean the end of all other games forever for free?
There are lots of meatballs around, go ask one.
Some of your mortal meatballs will admit they want to live forever
but just don't believe it is real, they have crossed the point of no
return, across that event horizon of the black hole that a mere moment
of self casting doubt of eternality and sovereign responsibility brings
upon a being.
"I didn't desire this!" ("Did I? Wonder, wonder, wonder...")
Now their sovereignty is lost.
Can you find that desire to not desire something but be stuck in it
anyhow, for them, and rehab it so they can and would do it again?
Forget mocking up the clearing course, get them to mockup the
decision to be non sovereign until they don't stick on the wrong side of
the event horizon, outside of which they can no longer see.
The moment one chooses to not know, one can no longer remember or
know the moment he chose to not know either!
Once you come into the black hole of mortality, the coming in is
*GONE*.
Only by practicing this mechanism of coming in and forgetting, can
he then pop out, because trying to come in puts you out because you
can't come in unless you ARE out.
Postulating that you are coming in, prepostulates that you are out!
Thus a strong enough postulate that you WANT to come in, will
automatically put you out for just the moment before you come in. After
doing this for a while, during that moment of being out, you can change
your mind and not come in, and thus remain out.
The rest of your mortal meatball cases won't even admit to wanting
to live forever. They want to live as long as they can, because death
scares the hell out of them, but they don't want to live forever,
because immortality scares them worse as all immortalities in time
eventually turn into hells forever.
They are stuck in the Grand Daddy AND of all time:
I don't want to die forever, and I don't want to live forever.
This is the 'I've had time enough for love' case.
They have turned it into a "I've had time enough for sorrow."
And that might be true.
They are willing to do their time, but at the end they want to be
dead, to sorrow no more.
These are your bashers on a.r.s, your jokers and degraders on
a.c.t, your Ad Hominem Factories on The Phil ScottTissue Show, and your
dieticians, gym teachers, and drug pushers, uh, I mean doctors infesting
the rest of the channels of life.
There is a *LOT* of anger, fear, and sorrow to run here, its hard
to confront the sad eyes, even for those who know how to laugh, and can
find sympathy for evil stuck in tar.
But even evil can cry because down deep all evil was good at one
time and in fact is BEING evil now out of a good intent.
Go figure.
The flinch, doubt and wonder of a meatball can put YOU into wonder
as an auditor, WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THIS TO THEMSELVES, SURELY THERE
IS NO RESPONSIBILITY HERE!
The moment the state of the preclear not putting things there
freaks the auditor out to a point of being unable to put the
preclear there, the session is gone.
So you gotta watch it and know what you are handling because
wondering about sovereignty will sink anyone into solid rock.
Sovereignty is what the being desires, messing with it is messing
with his desire.
But sovereignty desires non sovereignty for a while, that's the Imp
Soul operating.
This intent, motivation and 'aesthetic to being mortal' exceeds the
mortals ability to duplicate because it can only be operated by an
timeless eternal (outside of time) who has become sick of timeful
immortality (in time).
The bridge that you need to create for these people is a bridge
back the way they came from endless game playing, to only one game to
play and that's it bud.
The day they connected all future games to the winning and losing
of the present game, was the day it all went wrong for them.
That's the event horizon of the couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't have
created this thing, that they could, would and did.
They can't believe it, and that's a break with themselves, their
own choice, intent, motivation, purpose and volition.
Imagine an atomic explosion creating an immortal black hole.
That's what happened.
Desire became serious, the idea 'it is' no longer caused an
as-isness, but in fact caused a further persistence, because the is was
resented as uninvited.
"It is, and God damn it to hell forever!"
It ain't going to vanish with that postulate that you want it to IS
long enough to suffer in hell forever.
The last act of a being trying to as-is something is to pray to
another to destroy or punish it forever for him.
Thus any efforts to change the here now to a better there then
resulted in resistence, flinch, cringe, wonder, protest, resentment,
persistence and MASS. A wake of mental mass left behind and covering
the being as he tried to cut the ice of life changing things he didn't
want into things he did want.
The more he resents the ice, the colder and more absent of life it
becomes.
Eventually he bogs down and can't move in the ice any more, and he
finally BECOMES ice.
He has no clue what he REALLY wants any more, he has buried that
under 100's of layers of substitute desires and reactivity, so no wonder
it builds mass.
Everything he really wants he can't have, and he thinks what he has
he didn't want. So what is there left to be do or have except insanity?
If you take an infinite free being and turn him into a finite Only
Oncer, that will create a wake of infinite mass that only the infinite
being can audit.
The mortal can't handle the charge on mortality, let alone the
charge on immortality.
Too much death, screaming pity, shame, blame, regret, chagrin and
looking for why it happened and continued.
He can't wrap his wits around taking responsibility for having
abandoned total responsibility long ago.
He can't put it there, how much he isn't putting things there.
And that is the ultimate problem facing the eternal auditor of
immortals bound to hell forever and mortals bound to death forever.
The preclear himself must be willing to touch eternity again in
session in order to look at what he created as an eternal, then as an
immortal and then as a mortal. Then WHEN HE CAN PUT IT THERE he can let
it go and it will vanish.
You can not offer nor sell salvation to being, he has to be
ready for it, really, and seek and reach for it.
You can put out a sign saying salvation offered here, but if no one
knocks, there is nothing you can do about it, go out and smell the
eternal roses.
Homer
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SEPARATION AND THE MULTI BEING.
Separation is a key component of persistence, separation between
things, between the being and his mockups, the being and other beings,
between cause and effect in space or time, and between everything that
is not 'God' and 'God'.
The Christians of course will catch any ball of ignorance you throw
their way, run with it to the goal post, so if one just studies what the
Christian says and reverse it, enlightenment will surely follow.
The primary lie is that because we see space that there is space.
Reality is what we think is true, actuality is what is true.
Reality does not equal actuality or it would as-is and vanish.
This is WHY absolutes are unobtainable in the physical universe by
the way, because once you get it, its gone.
Obtaining the absolute truth about anything, as-ises it.
In particular the perception of space does not take up any space,
and there is fact no space at all, just pictures of space that don't
take up any space.
Some will say that if there looks like there is space, that's as
good as there IS space. Reality = Actuality, you see? A thetan taking
that track is destined to become a marble on the thetan plane rolling
around and around the drain at the bottom of hell.
Why? Because a thetan can not make space, a thetan can only
make illusions of space. If space is actual, then the thetan is
stuck with it forever more. But if space is a created illusion
then the thetan can take it back and end it.
If you can't see the benefit to that, please find something
else to read.
So the basic lie is that here is God, and he made the physical
universe over here, not in heaven you see where God is, and then God
made all the little souls, out of what we can only imagine, probably the
same stuff he made the physical universe out of, mud, and then he dumped
all the little souls in the physical universe to survive as best they
can.
So you have these 3 things, God, physical universe and beings.
The Christians will admit that God is 'everywhere', so God permeates
the physical universe, but they still think that God is a separate thing
than the physical universe. The PU is made of *BRICK*, surely God isn't
made of brick you see, so even though God and PU co permeate, they
remain separate ontological entities, 'things' to the uneducated.
So following the rule stated above we just reverse everything the
Christians say to find the truth, and there it is.
The physical universe IS God glowing in the dark of the void, and
our conscious unit I-AM's, are micro individual incarnations of an
infinite MULTI I-AM macro ALLTHATIS called God.
Although there are many of us, each one of us is a FULL
INSTANTIATION of that multi I-AM being. We are not smaller nor
less powerful that it, just because there are more than one of us to its
structure.
God was not made, therefore we were not made as we are it. We did
however make our individual dreamtime persona that exists in space and
time.
Just as the true ALLTHATIS is eternal, so are we as conscious units
all co eternal with the AllTHATIS, a soul can not be made.
Thus if you want to talk to God, talk to the wall. or the
perceiver of the wall, because all illusion of separation to the
contrary, the perceiver IS the perceived, or else the perceiver couldn't
perceive it! (See The Proof, http://www.lightlink.com/theproof)
The wall is a manifestation in YOU, its your body glowing in
the night of the void as a micro incarnation of God.
Thus there is only God, part of whom is incarnated as the HIGH-US
looking in the mirror of our consciousnesses and experiencing self
luminous images of maya, dreamtime, i.e. physical universe and thinking
ourselves separate from it and other beings.
And wondering where the hell God is.
There is no bigger joke that a God can play on itself than
wondering.
Since all space and time are illusions of a sort, there IS no
actual space or time between anything anywhere, all beings are on the
same scalar location. looking at their own renditions in their own
light bodies of the agreed upon dreamtime called the physical universe.
All meatballs are dreamballs and don't know it, that's a God's
perogative. The game of seeking for God, and later refusing to seek
help to keep the game going.
Nothing worse than the Last Goodbye of as-isness, to give the
meatballs the eternal willies.
Just as the physicists long ago realized that space and time were
really one entity they came to call spacetime, just so one day they will
realize that there is no cause or effect inside of space time, but only
between the static and the dreamtime. Since the dreamtime is rendered
in the fabric of the static itself, cause and effect then becomes one
thing, causeeffect, since every kinetic manifestation is the static
being both cause and effect of itself.
Thus there is no separation at all, period, not in space, not in
time, not in causeeffect, and not between beings, but only in illusion
and delusion about illusion (believing the illusion, apparencies are
actuality).
Finding and auditing apparent separations goes a long ways towards
resolving havingness issues, as not havingness is itself a separation
between self and what is desired to be haved.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SEPARATION AND THE MULTI BEING.
Separation is a key component of persistence, separation between
things, between the being and his mockups, the being and other beings,
between cause and effect in space or time, and between everything that
is not 'God' and 'God'.
The Christians of course will catch any ball of ignorance you throw
their way, run with it to the goal post, so if one just studies what the
Christian says and reverse it, enlightenment will surely follow.
The primary lie is that because we see space that there is space.
Reality is what we think is true, actuality is what is true.
Reality does not equal actuality or it would as-is and vanish.
This is WHY absolutes are unobtainable in the physical universe by
the way, because once you get it, its gone.
Obtaining the absolute truth about anything, as-ises it.
In particular the perception of space does not take up any space,
and there is fact no space at all, just pictures of space that don't
take up any space.
Some will say that if there looks like there is space, that's as
good as there IS space. Reality = Actuality, you see? A thetan taking
that track is destined to become a marble on the thetan plane rolling
around and around the drain at the bottom of hell.
Why? Because a thetan can not make space, a thetan can only
make illusions of space. If space is actual, then the thetan is
stuck with it forever more. But if space is a created illusion
then the thetan can take it back and end it.
If you can't see the benefit to that, please find something
else to read.
So the basic lie is that here is God, and he made the physical
universe over here, not in heaven you see where God is, and then God
made all the little souls, out of what we can only imagine, probably the
same stuff he made the physical universe out of, mud, and then he dumped
all the little souls in the physical universe to survive as best they
can.
So you have these 3 things, God, physical universe and beings.
The Christians will admit that God is 'everywhere', so God permeates
the physical universe, but they still think that God is a separate thing
than the physical universe. The PU is made of *BRICK*, surely God isn't
made of brick you see, so even though God and PU co permeate, they
remain separate ontological entities, 'things' to the uneducated.
So following the rule stated above we just reverse everything the
Christians say to find the truth, and there it is.
The physical universe IS God glowing in the dark of the void, and
our conscious unit I-AM's, are micro individual incarnations of an
infinite MULTI I-AM macro ALLTHATIS called God.
Although there are many of us, each one of us is a FULL
INSTANTIATION of that multi I-AM being. We are not smaller nor
less powerful that it, just because there are more than one of us to its
structure.
God was not made, therefore we were not made as we are it. We did
however make our individual dreamtime persona that exists in space and
time.
Just as the true ALLTHATIS is eternal, so are we as conscious units
all co eternal with the AllTHATIS, a soul can not be made.
Thus if you want to talk to God, talk to the wall. or the
perceiver of the wall, because all illusion of separation to the
contrary, the perceiver IS the perceived, or else the perceiver couldn't
perceive it! (See The Proof, http://www.lightlink.com/theproof)
The wall is a manifestation in YOU, its your body glowing in
the night of the void as a micro incarnation of God.
Thus there is only God, part of whom is incarnated as the HIGH-US
looking in the mirror of our consciousnesses and experiencing self
luminous images of maya, dreamtime, i.e. physical universe and thinking
ourselves separate from it and other beings.
And wondering where the hell God is.
There is no bigger joke that a God can play on itself than
wondering.
Since all space and time are illusions of a sort, there IS no
actual space or time between anything anywhere, all beings are on the
same scalar location. looking at their own renditions in their own
light bodies of the agreed upon dreamtime called the physical universe.
All meatballs are dreamballs and don't know it, that's a God's
perogative. The game of seeking for God, and later refusing to seek
help to keep the game going.
Nothing worse than the Last Goodbye of as-isness, to give the
meatballs the eternal willies.
Just as the physicists long ago realized that space and time were
really one entity they came to call spacetime, just so one day they will
realize that there is no cause or effect inside of space time, but only
between the static and the dreamtime. Since the dreamtime is rendered
in the fabric of the static itself, cause and effect then becomes one
thing, causeeffect, since every kinetic manifestation is the static
being both cause and effect of itself.
Thus there is no separation at all, period, not in space, not in
time, not in causeeffect, and not between beings, but only in illusion
and delusion about illusion (believing the illusion, apparencies are
actuality).
Finding and auditing apparent separations goes a long ways towards
resolving havingness issues, as not havingness is itself a separation
between self and what is desired to be haved.
Homer
Thu Dec 29 20:09:09 EST 2005
================ http://www.clearing.org ====================
Tue Dec 26 12:00:03 EST 2017
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BLOG: http://adoretheproof.blogspot.org
FTP: ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/homer/adore298.memo
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=========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===============
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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