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POSTULATES OF SCIENTOLOGY
Slarty <Thaddeus.Slamp@gmail.com> wrote:
> addendum: Homer; I don't know if by saying this I've left the fold of
> anything resembling scientology, but I've actually seen some strange
> "supernatural" stuff and feel pretty sure it was all manisfestations
> of spirit/or "the supreme whatever"/I find that slow fluid
> gracefullness is a truth consistant w/so much. I think its the
> aspect of spirit that most saturates this universe. Whats that to do
> w/ray guns/ lightning fast tech I must find myself wondering
> sometimes. Have I been Hypmotised by helotrobus?
Flows are flows. If one gets it right, the enturbulation just
disappears and one gets into a 'timeless motion' that just runs and
runs. Flinch the wrong way, have the wrong thought, and suddenly one is
completely encased in tar, crazy glue and obsidian glass.
Ever play with corn starch in warm water? It is very enlightening.
Scientology is based on a number very simple posulates.
1.) Postulates work.
2.) The postulate that further postulates do not work, works.
3.) One tries to deal then with unwanted persistences by covering
them with other persistences, black mass etc.
4.) Charge results from violated desire. Violations are either
directly desired, or result from inability to track causation through a
confusion of postulates which was directly desired.
5.) Many desires are folly and can be audited out, but underneath
them are eternal desires, where in the violation must be reversed and
audited out returning the being to a state of absolute peace.
6.) Help works when based in truth and understanding.
7.) Justice reigns at all times, as justice means you get
what you postulate.
8.) The resolution of all suffering is humor, beauty and peace.
9.) The source of all suffering is artful dodge, the fair chosen
adore-operation of cool, class, halcyon, sin-song, thrill and romance,
via living majestic intelligence and proud fancy free faithlessness of
grand and excaliper design.
See ADORE, A Divine Operating Religion of Excellence.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Wednesday, July 30, 2014
ECO16 (fwd)
Reposted...
COMPETITION
The problem with the human species is only desperate need produces
innovation to make a better product. Without the fear of non survival
bothering their complacent bellies, that strong competition provides, most
humans will sit around and suck on their bottle and do nothing all day long.
That's called Eternal Childhood.
Homer
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> We have written that quality of product is guaranteed only
> by competition. Without competition you get
>
> 1.) Shoddy products
> 2.) High prices
> 3.) No after market support
> 4.) No or negative warranties (you bring it back we won't sell to
> you again.)
>
> Only competition, the desire to take away market share from the other
> producers, brings about better products, lower prices, more customer
> support, and excellent no questions asked warranties.
>
> Historically trade secrets have been an ace up the sleeve to help
> people compete with each other. Someone gets an idea, and starts to
> produce it, but doesn't want the others to know lest they up stage them,
> and they hope to be better able to compete because they keep the
> ingredients of their special sauce a secret.
>
> This is the American Way, no one would think to do it any other way.
>
> Coke, McDonald's, you name it, all have their secret ingredients that
> prevent others from making the same or even a better product.
>
> So what's going to happen in the group mind when there are no more
> secrets? Will competition amongst members go away, will the group mind
> rot, go complacent, take up Hubbardian Orthodoxy? Will group minds remain
> in competition with other group minds to guarantee their own survival thus
> guaranteeing separation also?
>
> In a group mind, someone makes something, and bang everyone has
> it, they not only have the product they have the method to make the
> product, so now everyone can potentially make it. So where is there
> room for competition?
>
> Well others can now stand on the work already done and add to it of
> course and enhance it in a never ending game of leapfrog, seeing who can
> out class who.
>
> But they will have to do it without secrets. Fame and proper
> attribution and an affluent life consisting of the best of the best will
> of course be the results of everyone's hard work. That isn't so bad is
> it?
>
> Homer
>
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> Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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COMPETITION
The problem with the human species is only desperate need produces
innovation to make a better product. Without the fear of non survival
bothering their complacent bellies, that strong competition provides, most
humans will sit around and suck on their bottle and do nothing all day long.
That's called Eternal Childhood.
Homer
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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> We have written that quality of product is guaranteed only
> by competition. Without competition you get
>
> 1.) Shoddy products
> 2.) High prices
> 3.) No after market support
> 4.) No or negative warranties (you bring it back we won't sell to
> you again.)
>
> Only competition, the desire to take away market share from the other
> producers, brings about better products, lower prices, more customer
> support, and excellent no questions asked warranties.
>
> Historically trade secrets have been an ace up the sleeve to help
> people compete with each other. Someone gets an idea, and starts to
> produce it, but doesn't want the others to know lest they up stage them,
> and they hope to be better able to compete because they keep the
> ingredients of their special sauce a secret.
>
> This is the American Way, no one would think to do it any other way.
>
> Coke, McDonald's, you name it, all have their secret ingredients that
> prevent others from making the same or even a better product.
>
> So what's going to happen in the group mind when there are no more
> secrets? Will competition amongst members go away, will the group mind
> rot, go complacent, take up Hubbardian Orthodoxy? Will group minds remain
> in competition with other group minds to guarantee their own survival thus
> guaranteeing separation also?
>
> In a group mind, someone makes something, and bang everyone has
> it, they not only have the product they have the method to make the
> product, so now everyone can potentially make it. So where is there
> room for competition?
>
> Well others can now stand on the work already done and add to it of
> course and enhance it in a never ending game of leapfrog, seeing who can
> out class who.
>
> But they will have to do it without secrets. Fame and proper
> attribution and an affluent life consisting of the best of the best will
> of course be the results of everyone's hard work. That isn't so bad is
> it?
>
> Homer
>
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> Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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RESPECT (fwd)
RESPECT
So you take your preclear into session and start running
"Tell me about your future".
"Tell me about your present."
"Tell me about your past."
(Or,
"Get the idea of a future."
"Get the idea of a present."
"Get the idea of a past."
The first 'Tell me' group gets him into CREATED, the second 'Get
the idea of' group gets him into CREATING also. There are a LOT more
futures, presents and pasts than he has ever actually had.
It is the conceived scarcity of available future/present/past
triads that gets him so stuck in the one and only one he has.
You can actually get him unstuck from his present
future/present/past, by getting him to conceive and thus create
completely other futures, presents and pasts.
Anyhow, back to this posting and "Tell me about your future."
)
On the first command, he says "What future?"
OK, so he is a "What future?" case, and probably a Black V to boot,
meaning he "cant" mockup anything.
The Black V has no future, the future is WHAT he can't mockup.
(Oh he can mockup alright, his future is what he IS mocking up,
black invisible stone, dead forever for free.)
The ability to create a future depends upon the ability to mockup
what you want in full 4D stereo surround sound, touch, taste, smell and
vision, force, mass and motion, and impress it upon the MEST universe.
So no mockups means no future, at least of his own creating.
And no future means no mockups.
What little he has of a future ends at a black wall of the grave
with worms eating out his eyeballs.
Maybe you get him to mock that up until his back track starts to
turn on, which of course is the record of all past deaths to end all
records.
Watch it though, if he's not getting maws and teeth, other's and
his own, he isn't running the process, but instead ducking into safer
parts of the bank containing death by crucifixion, war, fire, disease,
crushing, starvation, suffocation, thirst, skinning, boiled alive,
buried alive, earthquakes, tsunamis, lightning, tornadoes, volcanos,
nuclear anihilation, radiation poisoning, planetary collisions, and suns
going nova.
So you say,
"Thank you, tell me about your future."
He says "Dim and grim."
Well good, dim means he can't see it very well because he's a Black
V, and grim means long slow demise via force.
He has given you two very good items to audit later, after the
present inventory process is done.
But first you have to find their opposites.
So when you finally go to run the process, you ask your preclear
what the opposites of dim and grim are.
Say he says, "Bright and grin."
Well the first one is obvious, but not a preclear in the world will
tell you the opposite of grim is grinning, but indeed the opposite of
seriousness is humor.
The thing is your preclear can't comprehend a life made of humor,
he can only comprehend constantly running to avoid the blade on the
slice and dice wheel of the meat grinder called life the physical
universe.
He is still trying to get better within the context of that meat
grinder and its grand finale of the worms in his grave eating his eyes.
He figures that much is given, so 'getting better' is constrained
by what can be done inside that meat grinder.
Dying forever anyhow no matter what he does.
But your preclear WILL NOT get better within that context for long,
for he is PTS to everything that will eat him alive knocking at his door
24x7.
PTS means Potential Trouble Source, a person who will rollercoaster
because he is trying to make the suppressive wrong, in this case, those
things that are out to kill him.
So to really get better and stay better he HAS to find a context
outside of the meat grinder wherein humor and freedom are the reigning
law.
And then perhaps he might get up the gumption to enter the meat
grinder again with a better more grateful attitude even while knowing he
will be sliced and diced in the end for a worm gourmet.
Grateful for the opportunity to play the meat grinder game, FOR A
WHILE.
Only the best play it, no one wins, its how many rounds you went
that are written on your tombstone.
Anyhow with the 4 items in hand, you can start running a process
that will help him exteriorize from the present spacetime based context
into an eternal one, and then come back in with more equipoise and
willingness to be here.
"Get the idea of dim."
"Get the idea of bright."
"Get the idea of grim."
"Get the idea of grin."
The reason we don't ask him to 'Tell me about it' in between is
because if he doesn't want to talk about it, he shouldn't be forced or
cajoled into talking about it, as it will kill his havingness, and when
he wants to talk about it, he will. Then he will talk about all the
stuff he didn't talk about too, if its still important.
The intra session withholds do not slow session down or even intra
program and being able to withhold is part of the ability to take full
responsibility.
It is sufficient for the preclear to simply say 'There are things I
am not talking about.' and the session will go just fine, and finally
end in a flood of blab later down the road.
Once he finds the underlying charge to what he doesn't want to talk
about, the grin so to speak will come out, then the later grim will be
relatable with eternal good humor.
Part of the problem is he has everyone ELSE's considerations on
many of the things he has done, degraded, detestable, perverted,
criminal etc. No feel good there.
But they won't erase with those attitudes even if he talks about
them.
He has to see the eternal beauty to things, no matter how
detestable they are from the present viewpoint, and then he can have fun
making the auditor throw up and feel really good about himself after he
has dumped it all out on the table.
The end phenomenon of all auditing is self respect.
No self respect, no auditing.
And by self respect we DO NOT mean no longer a sinner, but instead
we mean I never sinned.
Auditing is not a game of confession and repentance, its a game of
confession to grand artistry, worthwhile being, no matter how
'unworthwhile' it seemed at the time it was going on.
In side of every "thats not funny" there is a joke hiding waiting
to be found.
That's what jokes are, moments of good humor wrapped in dark
wrappers of 'thats not funny!'
If the very fabric of consciousness is ridiculous, then how much
more so is any pretense of seriousness painted on its surface?
These may be pearls you do not throw before swine, because the
swine will take you to task for them, so you had better be able to live
these ideas yourself before you go giving a pig a pearl necklace for its
birthday.
Pigs not withstanding, the result of auditing is regained self
respect, the final E/P being Master of Respect.
"Oh Gorgeous and most ExCaliper Lord,
Master of Magnificence and Respect..."
High Prayer from Adore.
A Master of Respect can see the magnificence of the mess in life,
and respect not only the mess but everything in the mess as WORTHWHILE.
"MESS means Magnificent Examples of Shames and Shambles." - Adore
And by worthwhile we DO NOT MEAN worthwhile because we learned
NEVER TO DO THAT AGAIN.
That is lessons learned, and they are a yoke around the neck.
Imagine wagging your finger at God and telling him there are things
he can create that he shouldn't?
The whole purpose of the MEST universe, and the war for men's
minds, is the eradication of self respect in its entirety.
A worthwhile game for a God, eh?
Homer
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So you take your preclear into session and start running
"Tell me about your future".
"Tell me about your present."
"Tell me about your past."
(Or,
"Get the idea of a future."
"Get the idea of a present."
"Get the idea of a past."
The first 'Tell me' group gets him into CREATED, the second 'Get
the idea of' group gets him into CREATING also. There are a LOT more
futures, presents and pasts than he has ever actually had.
It is the conceived scarcity of available future/present/past
triads that gets him so stuck in the one and only one he has.
You can actually get him unstuck from his present
future/present/past, by getting him to conceive and thus create
completely other futures, presents and pasts.
Anyhow, back to this posting and "Tell me about your future."
)
On the first command, he says "What future?"
OK, so he is a "What future?" case, and probably a Black V to boot,
meaning he "cant" mockup anything.
The Black V has no future, the future is WHAT he can't mockup.
(Oh he can mockup alright, his future is what he IS mocking up,
black invisible stone, dead forever for free.)
The ability to create a future depends upon the ability to mockup
what you want in full 4D stereo surround sound, touch, taste, smell and
vision, force, mass and motion, and impress it upon the MEST universe.
So no mockups means no future, at least of his own creating.
And no future means no mockups.
What little he has of a future ends at a black wall of the grave
with worms eating out his eyeballs.
Maybe you get him to mock that up until his back track starts to
turn on, which of course is the record of all past deaths to end all
records.
Watch it though, if he's not getting maws and teeth, other's and
his own, he isn't running the process, but instead ducking into safer
parts of the bank containing death by crucifixion, war, fire, disease,
crushing, starvation, suffocation, thirst, skinning, boiled alive,
buried alive, earthquakes, tsunamis, lightning, tornadoes, volcanos,
nuclear anihilation, radiation poisoning, planetary collisions, and suns
going nova.
So you say,
"Thank you, tell me about your future."
He says "Dim and grim."
Well good, dim means he can't see it very well because he's a Black
V, and grim means long slow demise via force.
He has given you two very good items to audit later, after the
present inventory process is done.
But first you have to find their opposites.
So when you finally go to run the process, you ask your preclear
what the opposites of dim and grim are.
Say he says, "Bright and grin."
Well the first one is obvious, but not a preclear in the world will
tell you the opposite of grim is grinning, but indeed the opposite of
seriousness is humor.
The thing is your preclear can't comprehend a life made of humor,
he can only comprehend constantly running to avoid the blade on the
slice and dice wheel of the meat grinder called life the physical
universe.
He is still trying to get better within the context of that meat
grinder and its grand finale of the worms in his grave eating his eyes.
He figures that much is given, so 'getting better' is constrained
by what can be done inside that meat grinder.
Dying forever anyhow no matter what he does.
But your preclear WILL NOT get better within that context for long,
for he is PTS to everything that will eat him alive knocking at his door
24x7.
PTS means Potential Trouble Source, a person who will rollercoaster
because he is trying to make the suppressive wrong, in this case, those
things that are out to kill him.
So to really get better and stay better he HAS to find a context
outside of the meat grinder wherein humor and freedom are the reigning
law.
And then perhaps he might get up the gumption to enter the meat
grinder again with a better more grateful attitude even while knowing he
will be sliced and diced in the end for a worm gourmet.
Grateful for the opportunity to play the meat grinder game, FOR A
WHILE.
Only the best play it, no one wins, its how many rounds you went
that are written on your tombstone.
Anyhow with the 4 items in hand, you can start running a process
that will help him exteriorize from the present spacetime based context
into an eternal one, and then come back in with more equipoise and
willingness to be here.
"Get the idea of dim."
"Get the idea of bright."
"Get the idea of grim."
"Get the idea of grin."
The reason we don't ask him to 'Tell me about it' in between is
because if he doesn't want to talk about it, he shouldn't be forced or
cajoled into talking about it, as it will kill his havingness, and when
he wants to talk about it, he will. Then he will talk about all the
stuff he didn't talk about too, if its still important.
The intra session withholds do not slow session down or even intra
program and being able to withhold is part of the ability to take full
responsibility.
It is sufficient for the preclear to simply say 'There are things I
am not talking about.' and the session will go just fine, and finally
end in a flood of blab later down the road.
Once he finds the underlying charge to what he doesn't want to talk
about, the grin so to speak will come out, then the later grim will be
relatable with eternal good humor.
Part of the problem is he has everyone ELSE's considerations on
many of the things he has done, degraded, detestable, perverted,
criminal etc. No feel good there.
But they won't erase with those attitudes even if he talks about
them.
He has to see the eternal beauty to things, no matter how
detestable they are from the present viewpoint, and then he can have fun
making the auditor throw up and feel really good about himself after he
has dumped it all out on the table.
The end phenomenon of all auditing is self respect.
No self respect, no auditing.
And by self respect we DO NOT mean no longer a sinner, but instead
we mean I never sinned.
Auditing is not a game of confession and repentance, its a game of
confession to grand artistry, worthwhile being, no matter how
'unworthwhile' it seemed at the time it was going on.
In side of every "thats not funny" there is a joke hiding waiting
to be found.
That's what jokes are, moments of good humor wrapped in dark
wrappers of 'thats not funny!'
If the very fabric of consciousness is ridiculous, then how much
more so is any pretense of seriousness painted on its surface?
These may be pearls you do not throw before swine, because the
swine will take you to task for them, so you had better be able to live
these ideas yourself before you go giving a pig a pearl necklace for its
birthday.
Pigs not withstanding, the result of auditing is regained self
respect, the final E/P being Master of Respect.
"Oh Gorgeous and most ExCaliper Lord,
Master of Magnificence and Respect..."
High Prayer from Adore.
A Master of Respect can see the magnificence of the mess in life,
and respect not only the mess but everything in the mess as WORTHWHILE.
"MESS means Magnificent Examples of Shames and Shambles." - Adore
And by worthwhile we DO NOT MEAN worthwhile because we learned
NEVER TO DO THAT AGAIN.
That is lessons learned, and they are a yoke around the neck.
Imagine wagging your finger at God and telling him there are things
he can create that he shouldn't?
The whole purpose of the MEST universe, and the war for men's
minds, is the eradication of self respect in its entirety.
A worthwhile game for a God, eh?
Homer
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PERSONAL INVENTORY (fwd)
Reposted...
PERSONAL INVENTORY
In a universe consisting of
1.) Source
2.) Existence
3.) *CONDITIONS*
once the being descends to conditions, he is no longer able to
create things in the mere conception of things.
He has to suffer conditions on how and what he does, in order to
get to where he is going.
In order to survive, he has to DO something SPECIFIC. You see?
This begins the level of games, which consists of purposes,
freedoms and barriers.
Purposes are havingness, things that the preclear wants, but which
he has now relegated to having to DO something to get them.
In other words he has to create A, B, C, and D in order to get to
E, he can't just create E directly in the mere conception of E.
This places time and chase between A and E and gives him a game,
which if he postulates it seriously, he can lose or fail.
He goes out hunting, and comes back with squat.
Eventually he starves to death.
Below conditions then, havingness becomes a function of doingness,
and doingness is computed from wantingness and knowingness.
For the scientologese impaired, we say that having comes from
doing, which is computed from wanting and knowing.
In otherwords, he computes what to do from what he wants to have,
and what he knows about how to get it.
If he doesn't know, he has to learn, which is a whole other sub
cycle of doingness before he can get on with his original goal.
Learning is the process of study which is the doingness, resulting
in having more knowing than he had before.
The being thus becomes a question answer machine, seeking the
answer to what should he do, from what he wants, and what he knows.
We write this as
DOING = WANTING + KNOWING.
The 3 basic questions of his question answer machine are
What do I want?
What do I know?
What should I do (to get what I want)?
Since doing is action, namely effort/force and mass/energy in
motion, if his question answer machine is working well your preclear
will be in a state of happy high action.
If his question asking process is failing routinely on him, then he
will be in glum, watching and waiting for his ship to sink.
Serious games are merely games he can lose.
Maybe lose some for a while, maybe some forever.
How much he can lose them and how serious those losses are may be
open to question but, as always, it is only a matter of what he has
postulated and created for himself in this particular arena or playing
field.
A space time game stream.
The most serious games, are those whose loss means a loss of the
ability to have any more games ever again.
Once you starve to death, no more hunting. You get it?
Once the preclear is into forevers and nevers, he is well on his
way out as a spirit.
Thus it behooves us to understand the worst possible levels of
serious games, play and loss.
When a new preclear walks in the door, his greatest problem is a
massive lack of understanding of how bad off he really is, he has lost
sight of the purposes, freedoms, and barriers, and of his original
design intent in the games he is having problems with.
And if he gets a clue too fast, he can fall over dead within 24
hours.
So upfront auditing can and should be simply a personal awareness
inventory so he can see again the pickle he is really in, on a gradient
scale he can withstand.
The first thing we note is he is scared out of his wits, stuck in a
must run, can't run, called despair.
A little lower is terror and horror, which is waiting to be eaten,
and a little lower is numb, being eaten.
The bank is a record of every time he failed to survive, it is
every possible way to die or go unconscious across trillions of years.
The bank is basically a lot of muck thrown into his question answer
engine, he can't get answers any more and he can't even get the
questions either!
Thus one has to be very careful about how one approaches these
problems of life because it is very tempting simply to ask him some
questions and try to get some answers.
But he is completely unable to ask a question any more, without
having his bank ask it for him, and there are no straight lines in the
bank!
So the first thing we notice is your preclear has two basic flows
on fear.
He is afraid OF things.
He is afraid FOR things.
And he can be afraid of and for the same thing!
Mommy comes to mind.
For example, without question, he is afraid of his body, and he is
afraid for his body.
So to get a personal inventory of everything that causes him fear,
it is very tempting simply to ask him
"What are you afraid of?"
"What are you afraid for?"
But this throws him directly into his question answer engine and
his bank will happily slam answers out to you that merely give him a
whopping headache and more losses on the game of finding out,
It doesn't help that he is deadly afraid of finding out!
The LAST thing his bank wants to know about is his bank!
One might consider that it would soften the blow, to balance the
questions with their opposite:
"What are you NOT afraid of?"
"What are you NOT afraid for?"
That will give him some cognitions and solace, but will still cause
the question answer engine to crunch around hard, with all its muck
caught between the gears, and do him little good in the end.
Further more the above processes audit him at the level of CREATED,
namely the past.
They may look like they are asking about the present, but mommy
goes into the deep past and so the reason he is afraid of or for mommy
is more a matter of the past than it is of the present.
He believes that he is suffering in the present because of what he
has done in the past, everything in present time is karma to him.
What is ACTUALLY wrong with him is his concept of the future, so
auditing the future is much more lucrative than auditing the past, but
he considers his future is ruined because of the past.
In fact the only thing that connects his future to his past, is his
own present time CAUSE in the present.
Adore calls this cause 'present time operational wizardry', meaning
not even he knows how he is doing it.
But long before he can finally see HOW he is connecting the future
to the past, he first must see THAT he is doing this, and on what
subjects.
So, we never deal with how, we deal with WHAT.
But we never get to WHAT by asking WHAT!
Dig it and don't leave it.
So your job as an auditor is to address his cause in the present
that connects his future to his past, no matter what the past or future
were or are, and once that cause stops doing its thing, his future will
straighten out on its own.
For one we do not want to audit with questions, and for two we do
not want to audit the past per se, so we can rewrite the above processes
into a very powerful set of COMMANDS that produce the desired result.
"Get the idea of being afraid of something."
"Get the idea of not being afraid of something."
"Get the idea of being afraid for something."
"Get the idea of not being afraid for something."
Of course you can put "Tell me about it" in between each command,
if you are a mind to, but he will, he will. Better to leave the tell me
about it out of it.
Once you get near the right item he will start blabbing about the
thing until its all gone.
Then you approach the entire warp core of the question answer
engine by auditing its primary items, having, doing, wanting and
knowing.
"Get the idea of not having something.
"Get the idea of having something"
"Get the idea of not wanting something."
"Get the idea of wanting something."
"Get the idea of not knowing something."
"Get the idea of knowing something."
"Get the idea of not doing something."
"Get the idea of doing something."
Across many days of this, either solo or dual, the responsibility
for his own case will surface, and you can then start into cleaning it
up.
But without the personal inventory done, his personal integrity
will be out, he WON'T KNOW THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW, and that will stop most
other auditing cold.
E/P is knows his question answer engine can be repaired, and knows how
to proceed to do it. Life repair is available but not done.
Homer
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PERSONAL INVENTORY
In a universe consisting of
1.) Source
2.) Existence
3.) *CONDITIONS*
once the being descends to conditions, he is no longer able to
create things in the mere conception of things.
He has to suffer conditions on how and what he does, in order to
get to where he is going.
In order to survive, he has to DO something SPECIFIC. You see?
This begins the level of games, which consists of purposes,
freedoms and barriers.
Purposes are havingness, things that the preclear wants, but which
he has now relegated to having to DO something to get them.
In other words he has to create A, B, C, and D in order to get to
E, he can't just create E directly in the mere conception of E.
This places time and chase between A and E and gives him a game,
which if he postulates it seriously, he can lose or fail.
He goes out hunting, and comes back with squat.
Eventually he starves to death.
Below conditions then, havingness becomes a function of doingness,
and doingness is computed from wantingness and knowingness.
For the scientologese impaired, we say that having comes from
doing, which is computed from wanting and knowing.
In otherwords, he computes what to do from what he wants to have,
and what he knows about how to get it.
If he doesn't know, he has to learn, which is a whole other sub
cycle of doingness before he can get on with his original goal.
Learning is the process of study which is the doingness, resulting
in having more knowing than he had before.
The being thus becomes a question answer machine, seeking the
answer to what should he do, from what he wants, and what he knows.
We write this as
DOING = WANTING + KNOWING.
The 3 basic questions of his question answer machine are
What do I want?
What do I know?
What should I do (to get what I want)?
Since doing is action, namely effort/force and mass/energy in
motion, if his question answer machine is working well your preclear
will be in a state of happy high action.
If his question asking process is failing routinely on him, then he
will be in glum, watching and waiting for his ship to sink.
Serious games are merely games he can lose.
Maybe lose some for a while, maybe some forever.
How much he can lose them and how serious those losses are may be
open to question but, as always, it is only a matter of what he has
postulated and created for himself in this particular arena or playing
field.
A space time game stream.
The most serious games, are those whose loss means a loss of the
ability to have any more games ever again.
Once you starve to death, no more hunting. You get it?
Once the preclear is into forevers and nevers, he is well on his
way out as a spirit.
Thus it behooves us to understand the worst possible levels of
serious games, play and loss.
When a new preclear walks in the door, his greatest problem is a
massive lack of understanding of how bad off he really is, he has lost
sight of the purposes, freedoms, and barriers, and of his original
design intent in the games he is having problems with.
And if he gets a clue too fast, he can fall over dead within 24
hours.
So upfront auditing can and should be simply a personal awareness
inventory so he can see again the pickle he is really in, on a gradient
scale he can withstand.
The first thing we note is he is scared out of his wits, stuck in a
must run, can't run, called despair.
A little lower is terror and horror, which is waiting to be eaten,
and a little lower is numb, being eaten.
The bank is a record of every time he failed to survive, it is
every possible way to die or go unconscious across trillions of years.
The bank is basically a lot of muck thrown into his question answer
engine, he can't get answers any more and he can't even get the
questions either!
Thus one has to be very careful about how one approaches these
problems of life because it is very tempting simply to ask him some
questions and try to get some answers.
But he is completely unable to ask a question any more, without
having his bank ask it for him, and there are no straight lines in the
bank!
So the first thing we notice is your preclear has two basic flows
on fear.
He is afraid OF things.
He is afraid FOR things.
And he can be afraid of and for the same thing!
Mommy comes to mind.
For example, without question, he is afraid of his body, and he is
afraid for his body.
So to get a personal inventory of everything that causes him fear,
it is very tempting simply to ask him
"What are you afraid of?"
"What are you afraid for?"
But this throws him directly into his question answer engine and
his bank will happily slam answers out to you that merely give him a
whopping headache and more losses on the game of finding out,
It doesn't help that he is deadly afraid of finding out!
The LAST thing his bank wants to know about is his bank!
One might consider that it would soften the blow, to balance the
questions with their opposite:
"What are you NOT afraid of?"
"What are you NOT afraid for?"
That will give him some cognitions and solace, but will still cause
the question answer engine to crunch around hard, with all its muck
caught between the gears, and do him little good in the end.
Further more the above processes audit him at the level of CREATED,
namely the past.
They may look like they are asking about the present, but mommy
goes into the deep past and so the reason he is afraid of or for mommy
is more a matter of the past than it is of the present.
He believes that he is suffering in the present because of what he
has done in the past, everything in present time is karma to him.
What is ACTUALLY wrong with him is his concept of the future, so
auditing the future is much more lucrative than auditing the past, but
he considers his future is ruined because of the past.
In fact the only thing that connects his future to his past, is his
own present time CAUSE in the present.
Adore calls this cause 'present time operational wizardry', meaning
not even he knows how he is doing it.
But long before he can finally see HOW he is connecting the future
to the past, he first must see THAT he is doing this, and on what
subjects.
So, we never deal with how, we deal with WHAT.
But we never get to WHAT by asking WHAT!
Dig it and don't leave it.
So your job as an auditor is to address his cause in the present
that connects his future to his past, no matter what the past or future
were or are, and once that cause stops doing its thing, his future will
straighten out on its own.
For one we do not want to audit with questions, and for two we do
not want to audit the past per se, so we can rewrite the above processes
into a very powerful set of COMMANDS that produce the desired result.
"Get the idea of being afraid of something."
"Get the idea of not being afraid of something."
"Get the idea of being afraid for something."
"Get the idea of not being afraid for something."
Of course you can put "Tell me about it" in between each command,
if you are a mind to, but he will, he will. Better to leave the tell me
about it out of it.
Once you get near the right item he will start blabbing about the
thing until its all gone.
Then you approach the entire warp core of the question answer
engine by auditing its primary items, having, doing, wanting and
knowing.
"Get the idea of not having something.
"Get the idea of having something"
"Get the idea of not wanting something."
"Get the idea of wanting something."
"Get the idea of not knowing something."
"Get the idea of knowing something."
"Get the idea of not doing something."
"Get the idea of doing something."
Across many days of this, either solo or dual, the responsibility
for his own case will surface, and you can then start into cleaning it
up.
But without the personal inventory done, his personal integrity
will be out, he WON'T KNOW THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW, and that will stop most
other auditing cold.
E/P is knows his question answer engine can be repaired, and knows how
to proceed to do it. Life repair is available but not done.
Homer
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SPIRITUAL SUCCOR (fwd)
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SPIRITUAL SUCCOR
Your preclear is a deprived child.
Deprived of spiritual succor.
No succor is no auditing.
Succor is help via two way communication between live beings and
themselves on any and every possible subject of interest.
A LOT of later life auditing therefore has to focus on inhibited,
no and refused giving and receiving of succor, help in the form of
communication, in early life.
Auditing about NO auditing.
Help is not food and shelter, no matter how much your parents
insist it is. Help is CO COMMUNICATION on any and every subject ever
known to man and then some.
If its not communication, it isn't help no matter how warm,
comfortable and tasty it is, it is only an effort to keep the slave
alive but still enslaved to ignorance, lies, deceit and SILENCE.
Some parents take very good care of their slaves.
Healthy as hogs, crazy as loons.
Who now benefits from the silence of your anguish?
Auditing doesn't have to be fancy rundowns done on a meter that
won't read anyhow and which then acts mostly as an excuse to not talk
about anything.
Auditing is simply full disclosure and two way communication on any
and every subject of upset and confusion to the preclear.
Auditing starts at the first moment a preclear can communicate and
be communicated at, to or with by any means whatsoever.
In other words the first sessions start around conception and
assumption of the body, or before.
You will find on every preclear entire areas of material, both bad
and good, that he simply never talked about with anyone, period.
And when he doesn't talk about something to anyone, he stops
talking about these things to himself too.
So they become GONE, where they run him from the inside.
Life and death struggles build charge, and unless it is all erased
as life goes along, through two way communication, confession and
apology, the unspoken buries deep within the being as shock, catatonia
and oblivion and he is no longer free to live with willingness and joy.
Find who he didn't talk things out with, and what he didn't talk
out with them, and you will find the submerged despair charges that are
keeping him down, and powering his present time crippling
psychotraumatic state.
Parents don't want to find out, so they don't want their children
finding out.
The reason parents don't want to find out, is they are afraid the
knowledge will kill them.
Then who will take care of the child?
So a child with a fresh mind is a very dangerous thing to a parent.
Truth can be construed as child abuse by the insane.
They will SAY they are worried about the child, and doing it for
the child, so they suppress every subject of import, but they are doing
it to keep themselves out of an internal hell forever that they can not
escape except by skirting around the whole track skeletons in their own
closets, and the graveyard they call their minds.
And they breed without a license, out of season and for the wrong
reason.
Watch out for those that "Oh Posh!" the concept, you do not want
them in your Orgs, as they will MAKE SURE no one finds out anything
about anything.
Probably the main thing anyone doesn't want to find out is how hard
they can laugh and cry.
Real laughter has a price, torrential tears.
Real tears have a price, torrential laughter.
LRH once said that a dangerous auditor is one who is afraid to find
out.
The only thing more dangerous is the auditor who pretends he isn't
afraid of anything, he will make sure no one looks at anything he might
be afraid of.
It's easy to test an auditor who truly isn't afraid of finding out
about anything.
They glow in the dark.
Since they are rare, a little honest trepidation in your auditor is
a good sign.
You will have more confidence going into the tiger's lair with
someone who is somewhat nervous too, and can share the tears and the
laughter of your travail.
And make no mistake about it, travail it has been.
Your amnesia of this and past lives is TRAUMATIC amnesia.
The primary purpose of your preclear's psychosomatic state is his
effort to get others to worry about him, more than they are worrying
about themselves.
The preclear just fell off Mount Everest, and some person will be
telling him 'You are always making mountains out of mole hills.'
Get the preclear to spot those people in his childhood whom he just
couldn't get to worry about him, no matter how much blood he was leaking
out of how many wounds, physical, emotional, mental or spiritual.
A being can not-is, make nothing of, nail out of existence, or
discount anything.
Remember a being can make nothing out of both eternity and infinity
in one blink, you think he can't make nothing of any travail you might
hand him?
Find the one doing so, and then the preclear's own overts along
this same line in this and previous existences.
Oblivion is made of "mole hills" too "unimportant" to mention.
With enough suppression of co communication on desire, justice,
duties and rights, intimacy and vulnerability, dependency, independency,
and fair chosen exchange, eventually the preclear fails to bring up the
most awesomely egregious and serious things.
A Child will first try to handle his purveyors of injustice by forthright
means, then failing that, by physical, mental, emotional or spiritual force
(attempted murder), and then failing that, he will condemn himself to spiritual
death in unexpressed resentment, covert hostility towards himself and others
leading to further decline into ruin, disaster, and oblivion.
His worst childhood illness will have been an effort to change all
that discount being heaped on him. It might have worked for a while,
Lord save him, but then it doesn't work, so the engram contains the same
irritant person both as Golden Ally and as Darkest Foe.
Scientology calls foes SP's, Suppressive Parents or Persons.
You can always tell an SP by how you feel around them, and what
hell and death you aren't talking about with them.
They do not want you talking, that's it.
It is here you will find much of your preclear's murderous rage
sitting in a petrified AND of love and hate.
He complains he can't remember his past or his whole track, but he
can't remember the moment he decided to put into operation his service
facsimile ploy to get worried attention from his suppressive care
givers, by making himself sick, dead and dying until they noticed and
gave a damn.
So what do you expect?
He needs to remember what happened between the ages of 1 and 2, and
not a hundred quintillion years ago.
But the service facsimile itself which he used at age 2 to make and
keep himself sick, injured or disabled is so old there are not numbers
to count the age.
They don't call it the Rock of Ages for nothing.
But he USED it in THIS LIFE to survive against insurmountable odds
at an early age when parental force and might made right, and his
significant others always ended up 'right' and 'winning'.
So good auditing will span both periods of time involved,
alternating between near present, when he last keyed it in, and near
forever ago, when the original loss happened.
Thus what he can 'remember' in this life, is all the garbage in his
service fac chain collapsed in on his body like a concrete coffin,
mostly stuff done to him, a lot of it pure implant template from the
beginning of time, stolen from others long ago, or taken from clusters
of other beings in his present body make up.
Some memory.
Every possible way to die and STILL not have anyone give a damn.
Except perhaps one poor miserable ally he had a LONG time ago that
cried at his death, and never let him down.
And yes he has done that to others, been the Golden Ally to others,
giving them the key to lock themselves into needing sympathy forever
more and the crippling sick, dead or dying conditions to get it.
The good Lord can't save him from that one, only he can.
Spot the words in the tears of the Golden Ally, all of them Grand
Holders.
"Don't leave me, stay with me, hang on, it will be OK, everything
will be alright, I will take care of you, I will love you forever, I
will never forget you..."
Watch movie death scenes, and write down all the phrases people say
to the dying one, you will get a pretty complete image of early
templates on how to mess people up permanently.
Holder phrases help keep the BANK here with him, in an effort
to get the PEOPLE in the bank here with him too.
So every time he starts to fail in life, he pulls in all this
death, with allies crying over him, to bolster his confidence. :)
Computation?
"The only way to survive in this place is to be sick, dead or
dying, because otherwise no one gives a damn, and everyone else is out
to kill me!"
How sick do you have to be for others to actually want to help you
get better?
That is actually exactly how sick he is, but he hasn't yet found
the exact OTHER that it will work on. Trying it on similar others in
this life time produces a luke warm result, then a negative reaction.
They start off becoming his Golden Ally valence but then react to being
sucked into the drama by becoming his Darkest Foe valence.
How bad off do you have to be to get others to lift a single
finger and not just wag it at you?
Once you get better, then what happens with them?
And when he gives this kind of sympathy based on permanent loss of
fragile, unique and precious affinities, to others who are in trouble or
dying, he sticks them with a real package of 'help', which in their next
lives they will use when they need their courage bolstered. They figure
the only way to survive is the way to HIM, which is into the death
engram they last knew him in.
In order to have him, they have to bury themselves in the death
where they last had him and he gave a damn!
A lot of promises are made by the Golden Ally during a death
engram, and the preclear holds onto the death in order to hold onto the
promise of succor.
And the unwittingness of all this help turned harm, would be beyond
the pale, except that far enough down the whole track, Golden Ally
sympathy and it's phrases are all in template implants where they knew
damn well what they were doing creating this kind of thing to stick
others into memories of death (which can kill you), by offering sweet
affinity and help in the engram.
But its all tears with no laughter.
They are not false and covert crocodile tears, but the raw truth
is the Ally didn't cry enough, or her laughter would have blown the
scene apart in the joy of awesomely infinite love.
Sometimes the only evidence we have, is that laughter at the bottom
of our sorrow, that we are not just a bag of chemicals.
The bank is wicked.
It's all part of the Villain, Victim, Hero triangle.
What is hidden is: IT IS THE DESIRE FOR THE HERO that sticks the
being in the victim valence!
The failed Hero's plaintive cries, pleadings and professions of
love in the engram, act as a call back to the exact worst moment of
villainization wherein the victim died anyhow.
The hero proved his love by trying and failing anyhow.
The victim feels sorry for putting the hero through it.
WHAT TO AUDIT
Anxiety is 'maybe I should run'.
Fear is must run.
Despair is can't run.
Numb is waiting to die.
You need to recover the preclear's ability to experience despair,
get honest with it, face up to it rather than run away down the tone
scale into numbness of the heart and below, and start talking about his
problems, overts, upsets, and offensive and defensive service fac
computations.
The primary subjects to audit are eating, death and sex, and all of
their causal tendrils that reach out on the 8 dynamics into the past,
present and future.
He may hate his mother for forcing him to eat his peas (2nd
dynamic), but he also hates having to work and produce peas on the farm
(3rd dynamic), and he hates mankind because all they do is eat peas (4th
dynamic), and hell, peas are part of the 5th dynamic and hell, who would
want to live in a universe where peas even existed (6th).
We audit eating, death and sex in that order, because in this
universe, DNA survives by eating other DNA, so it is an eat or be eaten
universe.
Making a living pretty much involves making someone or something
else not make a living, you see?
Eating thus gives rise to the problems and losses of causing death
and being caused death, which then gives rise to the need for sex and
reproduction.
If you can see eating, death and sex as an 8 dynamic survival
engine, or meat grinder if you will, running on a carrier wave of horror
and sorrow, you will get some idea on how much charge the being has on
these subjects.
Once a being has handled all his charge on eating, death and sex,
in this and all possible past, present and future lives, he is pretty
much an 6 dynamic clear on dynamics 1 through 6.
There are higher dynamics but they probably are not dog eat dog
universes.
Some however may be go-to-hell-forever universes, so auditing
continues.
The dynamics are:
1.) Self
2.) Family
3.) Groups
4.) Mankind
5.) Life forms, plants and animals
6.) Physical universe, MEST and force.
7.) Spirits, postulates, considerations.
8.) The Infinite, Static/Kinetic Cause/Effect
But mother and father were primary auditors, and throw two bad
auditors into the child's holocaust of charge on 8 dynamics, and then
miss his own similar overts as a parent and auditor in previous
existences and universes, and you will have the unauditable preclear in
front of you.
He wants to get better but "Can't".
What he "can't" do is talk, feel and express freely about something
to someone that he desperately wanted and needed to.
Bring up him uptone from Numb, through despair, fear, anxiety (that
worry he so values in others,) covert hostility, and unexpressed
resentment, and where will you find him?
Flaming No Sympathy.
As the discount and make nothing of blows off for the first time in
ages.
Computation?
"Mole hill? I'll mole hill YOU!..."
A mole hill the original villain will presumably never forget.
Only his own self grace and his love for the villain will save them
both from his immortal revenge in the end.
Without self grace, the villain is toast and the preclear will
never recover his love or well being.
It is here you will find his 'Must never happen agains', and "Must
always happen agains".
Along with his stuck power package of "can't causes and must causes
(can't stop causing)".
Tied up in endless charge, all he can cause is his service fac
condition, what's in the engram, and he can't stop causing that to save
his life.
That is the sum total anatomy of why and what he can't cause and
can't stop causing, and what he has no sense of responsibility for
having fair chosen any of it.
"Who me?"
A DECISION to FORGET a DECISION.
A CHOICE to FORGET a CHOICE.
Recovering that choice will recover the preclear and his memory.
"Yep me! Man am I cool!"
Restoring your preclear's willingness in this hornet's nest of
death and damnesia is an interesting enterprise and the laborer
(auditor) is well worthy of their hire.
And so don't become a parent unless you are ready to audit a God in
carnation running away from hell forever by seeking pretenses of death
forever in bodies.
But if you do it well, they WILL return the favor.
Homer
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SPIRITUAL SUCCOR
Your preclear is a deprived child.
Deprived of spiritual succor.
No succor is no auditing.
Succor is help via two way communication between live beings and
themselves on any and every possible subject of interest.
A LOT of later life auditing therefore has to focus on inhibited,
no and refused giving and receiving of succor, help in the form of
communication, in early life.
Auditing about NO auditing.
Help is not food and shelter, no matter how much your parents
insist it is. Help is CO COMMUNICATION on any and every subject ever
known to man and then some.
If its not communication, it isn't help no matter how warm,
comfortable and tasty it is, it is only an effort to keep the slave
alive but still enslaved to ignorance, lies, deceit and SILENCE.
Some parents take very good care of their slaves.
Healthy as hogs, crazy as loons.
Who now benefits from the silence of your anguish?
Auditing doesn't have to be fancy rundowns done on a meter that
won't read anyhow and which then acts mostly as an excuse to not talk
about anything.
Auditing is simply full disclosure and two way communication on any
and every subject of upset and confusion to the preclear.
Auditing starts at the first moment a preclear can communicate and
be communicated at, to or with by any means whatsoever.
In other words the first sessions start around conception and
assumption of the body, or before.
You will find on every preclear entire areas of material, both bad
and good, that he simply never talked about with anyone, period.
And when he doesn't talk about something to anyone, he stops
talking about these things to himself too.
So they become GONE, where they run him from the inside.
Life and death struggles build charge, and unless it is all erased
as life goes along, through two way communication, confession and
apology, the unspoken buries deep within the being as shock, catatonia
and oblivion and he is no longer free to live with willingness and joy.
Find who he didn't talk things out with, and what he didn't talk
out with them, and you will find the submerged despair charges that are
keeping him down, and powering his present time crippling
psychotraumatic state.
Parents don't want to find out, so they don't want their children
finding out.
The reason parents don't want to find out, is they are afraid the
knowledge will kill them.
Then who will take care of the child?
So a child with a fresh mind is a very dangerous thing to a parent.
Truth can be construed as child abuse by the insane.
They will SAY they are worried about the child, and doing it for
the child, so they suppress every subject of import, but they are doing
it to keep themselves out of an internal hell forever that they can not
escape except by skirting around the whole track skeletons in their own
closets, and the graveyard they call their minds.
And they breed without a license, out of season and for the wrong
reason.
Watch out for those that "Oh Posh!" the concept, you do not want
them in your Orgs, as they will MAKE SURE no one finds out anything
about anything.
Probably the main thing anyone doesn't want to find out is how hard
they can laugh and cry.
Real laughter has a price, torrential tears.
Real tears have a price, torrential laughter.
LRH once said that a dangerous auditor is one who is afraid to find
out.
The only thing more dangerous is the auditor who pretends he isn't
afraid of anything, he will make sure no one looks at anything he might
be afraid of.
It's easy to test an auditor who truly isn't afraid of finding out
about anything.
They glow in the dark.
Since they are rare, a little honest trepidation in your auditor is
a good sign.
You will have more confidence going into the tiger's lair with
someone who is somewhat nervous too, and can share the tears and the
laughter of your travail.
And make no mistake about it, travail it has been.
Your amnesia of this and past lives is TRAUMATIC amnesia.
The primary purpose of your preclear's psychosomatic state is his
effort to get others to worry about him, more than they are worrying
about themselves.
The preclear just fell off Mount Everest, and some person will be
telling him 'You are always making mountains out of mole hills.'
Get the preclear to spot those people in his childhood whom he just
couldn't get to worry about him, no matter how much blood he was leaking
out of how many wounds, physical, emotional, mental or spiritual.
A being can not-is, make nothing of, nail out of existence, or
discount anything.
Remember a being can make nothing out of both eternity and infinity
in one blink, you think he can't make nothing of any travail you might
hand him?
Find the one doing so, and then the preclear's own overts along
this same line in this and previous existences.
Oblivion is made of "mole hills" too "unimportant" to mention.
With enough suppression of co communication on desire, justice,
duties and rights, intimacy and vulnerability, dependency, independency,
and fair chosen exchange, eventually the preclear fails to bring up the
most awesomely egregious and serious things.
A Child will first try to handle his purveyors of injustice by forthright
means, then failing that, by physical, mental, emotional or spiritual force
(attempted murder), and then failing that, he will condemn himself to spiritual
death in unexpressed resentment, covert hostility towards himself and others
leading to further decline into ruin, disaster, and oblivion.
His worst childhood illness will have been an effort to change all
that discount being heaped on him. It might have worked for a while,
Lord save him, but then it doesn't work, so the engram contains the same
irritant person both as Golden Ally and as Darkest Foe.
Scientology calls foes SP's, Suppressive Parents or Persons.
You can always tell an SP by how you feel around them, and what
hell and death you aren't talking about with them.
They do not want you talking, that's it.
It is here you will find much of your preclear's murderous rage
sitting in a petrified AND of love and hate.
He complains he can't remember his past or his whole track, but he
can't remember the moment he decided to put into operation his service
facsimile ploy to get worried attention from his suppressive care
givers, by making himself sick, dead and dying until they noticed and
gave a damn.
So what do you expect?
He needs to remember what happened between the ages of 1 and 2, and
not a hundred quintillion years ago.
But the service facsimile itself which he used at age 2 to make and
keep himself sick, injured or disabled is so old there are not numbers
to count the age.
They don't call it the Rock of Ages for nothing.
But he USED it in THIS LIFE to survive against insurmountable odds
at an early age when parental force and might made right, and his
significant others always ended up 'right' and 'winning'.
So good auditing will span both periods of time involved,
alternating between near present, when he last keyed it in, and near
forever ago, when the original loss happened.
Thus what he can 'remember' in this life, is all the garbage in his
service fac chain collapsed in on his body like a concrete coffin,
mostly stuff done to him, a lot of it pure implant template from the
beginning of time, stolen from others long ago, or taken from clusters
of other beings in his present body make up.
Some memory.
Every possible way to die and STILL not have anyone give a damn.
Except perhaps one poor miserable ally he had a LONG time ago that
cried at his death, and never let him down.
And yes he has done that to others, been the Golden Ally to others,
giving them the key to lock themselves into needing sympathy forever
more and the crippling sick, dead or dying conditions to get it.
The good Lord can't save him from that one, only he can.
Spot the words in the tears of the Golden Ally, all of them Grand
Holders.
"Don't leave me, stay with me, hang on, it will be OK, everything
will be alright, I will take care of you, I will love you forever, I
will never forget you..."
Watch movie death scenes, and write down all the phrases people say
to the dying one, you will get a pretty complete image of early
templates on how to mess people up permanently.
Holder phrases help keep the BANK here with him, in an effort
to get the PEOPLE in the bank here with him too.
So every time he starts to fail in life, he pulls in all this
death, with allies crying over him, to bolster his confidence. :)
Computation?
"The only way to survive in this place is to be sick, dead or
dying, because otherwise no one gives a damn, and everyone else is out
to kill me!"
How sick do you have to be for others to actually want to help you
get better?
That is actually exactly how sick he is, but he hasn't yet found
the exact OTHER that it will work on. Trying it on similar others in
this life time produces a luke warm result, then a negative reaction.
They start off becoming his Golden Ally valence but then react to being
sucked into the drama by becoming his Darkest Foe valence.
How bad off do you have to be to get others to lift a single
finger and not just wag it at you?
Once you get better, then what happens with them?
And when he gives this kind of sympathy based on permanent loss of
fragile, unique and precious affinities, to others who are in trouble or
dying, he sticks them with a real package of 'help', which in their next
lives they will use when they need their courage bolstered. They figure
the only way to survive is the way to HIM, which is into the death
engram they last knew him in.
In order to have him, they have to bury themselves in the death
where they last had him and he gave a damn!
A lot of promises are made by the Golden Ally during a death
engram, and the preclear holds onto the death in order to hold onto the
promise of succor.
And the unwittingness of all this help turned harm, would be beyond
the pale, except that far enough down the whole track, Golden Ally
sympathy and it's phrases are all in template implants where they knew
damn well what they were doing creating this kind of thing to stick
others into memories of death (which can kill you), by offering sweet
affinity and help in the engram.
But its all tears with no laughter.
They are not false and covert crocodile tears, but the raw truth
is the Ally didn't cry enough, or her laughter would have blown the
scene apart in the joy of awesomely infinite love.
Sometimes the only evidence we have, is that laughter at the bottom
of our sorrow, that we are not just a bag of chemicals.
The bank is wicked.
It's all part of the Villain, Victim, Hero triangle.
What is hidden is: IT IS THE DESIRE FOR THE HERO that sticks the
being in the victim valence!
The failed Hero's plaintive cries, pleadings and professions of
love in the engram, act as a call back to the exact worst moment of
villainization wherein the victim died anyhow.
The hero proved his love by trying and failing anyhow.
The victim feels sorry for putting the hero through it.
WHAT TO AUDIT
Anxiety is 'maybe I should run'.
Fear is must run.
Despair is can't run.
Numb is waiting to die.
You need to recover the preclear's ability to experience despair,
get honest with it, face up to it rather than run away down the tone
scale into numbness of the heart and below, and start talking about his
problems, overts, upsets, and offensive and defensive service fac
computations.
The primary subjects to audit are eating, death and sex, and all of
their causal tendrils that reach out on the 8 dynamics into the past,
present and future.
He may hate his mother for forcing him to eat his peas (2nd
dynamic), but he also hates having to work and produce peas on the farm
(3rd dynamic), and he hates mankind because all they do is eat peas (4th
dynamic), and hell, peas are part of the 5th dynamic and hell, who would
want to live in a universe where peas even existed (6th).
We audit eating, death and sex in that order, because in this
universe, DNA survives by eating other DNA, so it is an eat or be eaten
universe.
Making a living pretty much involves making someone or something
else not make a living, you see?
Eating thus gives rise to the problems and losses of causing death
and being caused death, which then gives rise to the need for sex and
reproduction.
If you can see eating, death and sex as an 8 dynamic survival
engine, or meat grinder if you will, running on a carrier wave of horror
and sorrow, you will get some idea on how much charge the being has on
these subjects.
Once a being has handled all his charge on eating, death and sex,
in this and all possible past, present and future lives, he is pretty
much an 6 dynamic clear on dynamics 1 through 6.
There are higher dynamics but they probably are not dog eat dog
universes.
Some however may be go-to-hell-forever universes, so auditing
continues.
The dynamics are:
1.) Self
2.) Family
3.) Groups
4.) Mankind
5.) Life forms, plants and animals
6.) Physical universe, MEST and force.
7.) Spirits, postulates, considerations.
8.) The Infinite, Static/Kinetic Cause/Effect
But mother and father were primary auditors, and throw two bad
auditors into the child's holocaust of charge on 8 dynamics, and then
miss his own similar overts as a parent and auditor in previous
existences and universes, and you will have the unauditable preclear in
front of you.
He wants to get better but "Can't".
What he "can't" do is talk, feel and express freely about something
to someone that he desperately wanted and needed to.
Bring up him uptone from Numb, through despair, fear, anxiety (that
worry he so values in others,) covert hostility, and unexpressed
resentment, and where will you find him?
Flaming No Sympathy.
As the discount and make nothing of blows off for the first time in
ages.
Computation?
"Mole hill? I'll mole hill YOU!..."
A mole hill the original villain will presumably never forget.
Only his own self grace and his love for the villain will save them
both from his immortal revenge in the end.
Without self grace, the villain is toast and the preclear will
never recover his love or well being.
It is here you will find his 'Must never happen agains', and "Must
always happen agains".
Along with his stuck power package of "can't causes and must causes
(can't stop causing)".
Tied up in endless charge, all he can cause is his service fac
condition, what's in the engram, and he can't stop causing that to save
his life.
That is the sum total anatomy of why and what he can't cause and
can't stop causing, and what he has no sense of responsibility for
having fair chosen any of it.
"Who me?"
A DECISION to FORGET a DECISION.
A CHOICE to FORGET a CHOICE.
Recovering that choice will recover the preclear and his memory.
"Yep me! Man am I cool!"
Restoring your preclear's willingness in this hornet's nest of
death and damnesia is an interesting enterprise and the laborer
(auditor) is well worthy of their hire.
And so don't become a parent unless you are ready to audit a God in
carnation running away from hell forever by seeking pretenses of death
forever in bodies.
But if you do it well, they WILL return the favor.
Homer
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I would prefer that clearing be considered a religious practice,
not for the tax benefits, but to keep it out of the hands of state
control and oversight.
Clearing is a body of knowledge concerning the anatomy of and approach to
what ails man. As such it is a growing science just like any other science
based upon the standard theory of theory. That such a science leads into
religious discoveries like the existence of perfect certainty, and the
impossibility of perfect certainty in a space time continuum, and thus the
possibly divine nature of zero dimensional consciousness, well then so be it.
Religion then would be a DISCOVERY of science, get it?
Thus we posit that clearing could produce a bridge between
religion and science and perhaps unify the two one day.
Rather than faith and science being opposed, faith would become
just another item under science AND religion.
The below posting was written before the posting on TRIAD, which clarifies
the distinction between eternality, immortality and mortality.
TRIAD
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help0
Thus by immortality in this posting we almost assuredly meant eternality.
Homer
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I just came out of session running,
'Tell me about Sovereignty'
'What problem would it solve?'
'What problem would it present?'
'Tell me about Mortality'
'What problem does it solve?'
'What problem does it present?'
'Mortality' meaning the state of an immortal being who thinks he is
mortal.
I had a few cognitions on the subject of clearing technology and
whether it is a religion or a science or neither.
Suppose I am just walking down the street and one day I have this
big cognition to the effect that people are suffering from their past,
because they have managed to suppress efforts, emotions, ideas, and
personal responsibility on many of the subjects that hurt them during
their lives.
I also get the idea that if I could just get someone to TALK about
what they were suppressing, rather than suppress it, they would release
all those pent up efforts, emotions, ideas and irresponsibilities on the
subject and they would recover.
In otherwords I figure, maybe trying to nail out of existence all
this stuff for a whole life time leads to many persisting and perhaps
even deadly psychosomatic conditions in the body, heart, mind and soul,
and when someone is allowed to get it all off their chest and reevaluate
their present time, it all goes away and heals. Often with great
catharsis and relief.
Now this is nothing new, right?
You have heard it a million times before.
Ok, so being the bright little devil that I am, I devise one single
technique for producing the results I am looking for. That technique or
'technology' as I would prefer to call it consists of exactly two
questions asked over and over again until the catharsis happens and the
client is happy with the results.
This is evidenced by the fact that the client pays me and wants to
make an appointment for more.
Those two questions are,
'What suffering has there been?'
'What have you not said or expressed about that suffering?'
So I find a few people and experiment with these two questions on
them to see if it really works. Indeed it apparently does and so I form
a new group, the Psychoamelioriation Center for Advanced Healing.
I charge $50 an hour for my time, and I pay taxes.
Now one day I am running this process on someone and some nosey
onlooker hears,
Auditor: 'What suffering has there been?'
Pc: 'Well I have felt abandoned by God, and pursued by the
Devil, I don't want to die, but I have visions of
Immortality that scare the hell out of me.
Auditor: 'Thank you'
Auditor: 'What have you not said about that suffering?'
Pc: 'Well, I hate God, and I have confusions on mortality
and Sovereignty and surprise and scarcity of surprise etc.
and I haven't told anyone about this but I have started
my own religion called The Order of the Adorian Creed,
and I am afraid of getting out of my body and, uh, are
you SURE I should be talking about all this stuff? I was
doing just fine for years keeping it all to myself.
Auditor: 'Thank you, please continue...'
Pc: 'Oh well, oh yes and I used to do a lot of acid, and during
the last trip the whole world got kind of thin, and I
felt there was this huge thin veil hanging
between me and the universe, and if I ever tripped again,
well, that veil would drop and I would
be face to face with Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu, and I
decided I had better not do acid anymore...'
Auditor: 'Thank you.
Auditor: 'What suffering has there been?'
etc.
Now suddenly someone comes crashing into the room, and says 'See
you are talking about God, and the Devil, and Immortality and
Sovereignty (what's that anyway) and that's all about RELIGION now isn't
it, you slime dogs, I TOLD you so, therefore you ARE a religion, how
DARE you say you are a technology of psychoamelioration, HAH!'
But the facts are only that one client was talking about God and
the Devil and HE brought it up, not the practioner. Others talk about
the army or their physics teachers or their mother in law or Uncle
Charlie who raped them as a kid or whatever.
So the fact remains that when people are run on clearing technology
deep enough for long enough some eventually wax religious, or at least
divine and supernatural. They start to have visions of Beauty, and also
of great evil, of infinite good and divine humor.
Some of them even mention very furtively that they are not alone,
and that there are a number of other very unhappy beings in their space
and body.
Some clients contact something that they call Source which seems to
be the emanation point of tremendous unfathomable intelligence, and
power and purpose, and they begin to understand how they have been
operating that Source all their lives without skill or real
understanding, causing many bad effects that were unintended.
'Hey don't ask me, I just work here' says the practioner.
Other clients just straighten out their lives and go back to work
more able to get along with their bosses, or wives, or no longer
suffering from headaches, or various addictions.
However sometimes you do run into a bunch of advanced Clear
Techies, who are yapping away about supernatural things, and so
onlookers say, 'See you are a religion, we TOLD you so. (smug, smug,
smug.)
No. It just ain't true.
ADORE is a religion, A Divine Operating REligion.
That's MY religion.
Clearing Technology is a TECHNOLOGY for relieving what ever a
person has suppressed, not-ised or is not saying or not talking about.
If it turns out your client is a star maker from the Adorian Star
Class of beings, then so be it.
That don't make you or your technology a religion.
That makes HIM a religion.
Many others will just be auto mechanics or nuclear physicists.
But they're a religion too, they just have not applied for tax
exemption status.
Homer
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I would prefer that clearing be considered a religious practice,
not for the tax benefits, but to keep it out of the hands of state
control and oversight.
Clearing is a body of knowledge concerning the anatomy of and approach to
what ails man. As such it is a growing science just like any other science
based upon the standard theory of theory. That such a science leads into
religious discoveries like the existence of perfect certainty, and the
impossibility of perfect certainty in a space time continuum, and thus the
possibly divine nature of zero dimensional consciousness, well then so be it.
Religion then would be a DISCOVERY of science, get it?
Thus we posit that clearing could produce a bridge between
religion and science and perhaps unify the two one day.
Rather than faith and science being opposed, faith would become
just another item under science AND religion.
The below posting was written before the posting on TRIAD, which clarifies
the distinction between eternality, immortality and mortality.
TRIAD
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help0
Thus by immortality in this posting we almost assuredly meant eternality.
Homer
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Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
I just came out of session running,
'Tell me about Sovereignty'
'What problem would it solve?'
'What problem would it present?'
'Tell me about Mortality'
'What problem does it solve?'
'What problem does it present?'
'Mortality' meaning the state of an immortal being who thinks he is
mortal.
I had a few cognitions on the subject of clearing technology and
whether it is a religion or a science or neither.
Suppose I am just walking down the street and one day I have this
big cognition to the effect that people are suffering from their past,
because they have managed to suppress efforts, emotions, ideas, and
personal responsibility on many of the subjects that hurt them during
their lives.
I also get the idea that if I could just get someone to TALK about
what they were suppressing, rather than suppress it, they would release
all those pent up efforts, emotions, ideas and irresponsibilities on the
subject and they would recover.
In otherwords I figure, maybe trying to nail out of existence all
this stuff for a whole life time leads to many persisting and perhaps
even deadly psychosomatic conditions in the body, heart, mind and soul,
and when someone is allowed to get it all off their chest and reevaluate
their present time, it all goes away and heals. Often with great
catharsis and relief.
Now this is nothing new, right?
You have heard it a million times before.
Ok, so being the bright little devil that I am, I devise one single
technique for producing the results I am looking for. That technique or
'technology' as I would prefer to call it consists of exactly two
questions asked over and over again until the catharsis happens and the
client is happy with the results.
This is evidenced by the fact that the client pays me and wants to
make an appointment for more.
Those two questions are,
'What suffering has there been?'
'What have you not said or expressed about that suffering?'
So I find a few people and experiment with these two questions on
them to see if it really works. Indeed it apparently does and so I form
a new group, the Psychoamelioriation Center for Advanced Healing.
I charge $50 an hour for my time, and I pay taxes.
Now one day I am running this process on someone and some nosey
onlooker hears,
Auditor: 'What suffering has there been?'
Pc: 'Well I have felt abandoned by God, and pursued by the
Devil, I don't want to die, but I have visions of
Immortality that scare the hell out of me.
Auditor: 'Thank you'
Auditor: 'What have you not said about that suffering?'
Pc: 'Well, I hate God, and I have confusions on mortality
and Sovereignty and surprise and scarcity of surprise etc.
and I haven't told anyone about this but I have started
my own religion called The Order of the Adorian Creed,
and I am afraid of getting out of my body and, uh, are
you SURE I should be talking about all this stuff? I was
doing just fine for years keeping it all to myself.
Auditor: 'Thank you, please continue...'
Pc: 'Oh well, oh yes and I used to do a lot of acid, and during
the last trip the whole world got kind of thin, and I
felt there was this huge thin veil hanging
between me and the universe, and if I ever tripped again,
well, that veil would drop and I would
be face to face with Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu, and I
decided I had better not do acid anymore...'
Auditor: 'Thank you.
Auditor: 'What suffering has there been?'
etc.
Now suddenly someone comes crashing into the room, and says 'See
you are talking about God, and the Devil, and Immortality and
Sovereignty (what's that anyway) and that's all about RELIGION now isn't
it, you slime dogs, I TOLD you so, therefore you ARE a religion, how
DARE you say you are a technology of psychoamelioration, HAH!'
But the facts are only that one client was talking about God and
the Devil and HE brought it up, not the practioner. Others talk about
the army or their physics teachers or their mother in law or Uncle
Charlie who raped them as a kid or whatever.
So the fact remains that when people are run on clearing technology
deep enough for long enough some eventually wax religious, or at least
divine and supernatural. They start to have visions of Beauty, and also
of great evil, of infinite good and divine humor.
Some of them even mention very furtively that they are not alone,
and that there are a number of other very unhappy beings in their space
and body.
Some clients contact something that they call Source which seems to
be the emanation point of tremendous unfathomable intelligence, and
power and purpose, and they begin to understand how they have been
operating that Source all their lives without skill or real
understanding, causing many bad effects that were unintended.
'Hey don't ask me, I just work here' says the practioner.
Other clients just straighten out their lives and go back to work
more able to get along with their bosses, or wives, or no longer
suffering from headaches, or various addictions.
However sometimes you do run into a bunch of advanced Clear
Techies, who are yapping away about supernatural things, and so
onlookers say, 'See you are a religion, we TOLD you so. (smug, smug,
smug.)
No. It just ain't true.
ADORE is a religion, A Divine Operating REligion.
That's MY religion.
Clearing Technology is a TECHNOLOGY for relieving what ever a
person has suppressed, not-ised or is not saying or not talking about.
If it turns out your client is a star maker from the Adorian Star
Class of beings, then so be it.
That don't make you or your technology a religion.
That makes HIM a religion.
Many others will just be auto mechanics or nuclear physicists.
But they're a religion too, they just have not applied for tax
exemption status.
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
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EX CATHEDRA AND IN CATHEDRA
> In alt.clearing.technology Dennis L Erlich <informer@informer.org> wrote:
>> And wrt my own beliefs, I see everything in this universe as a part of
>> God ... God's Being and God's life. We are inside God and God's life
>> is inside us.
You see, I am a philozofer, and when you do philozofy enough you
notice there is a little alarm that goes off inside that is very subtle,
but it tells you when you are on the wrong track however slightly off
course it might be.
Anytime people start talking about something creating something
else, the little alarm goes off.
Even in the physical universe, nothing gets created nor destroyed,
energy only changes form, and macro things get rearranged because they
are made of parts.
ARRANGEMENTS AND STATES of stuff come and go, but the stuff itself
remains eternally there.
Thus the ultimate stuff of things is conserved.
We call this the conservation of something.
So when people starting about God, which is not physical, creating
the physical, the philozofy alarm goes off loudly, and then when they
further talk about making conscious units out of rearrangements of
physical parts the alarm smokes and blows up, cuz the proof says that
ain't possible.
Arrangements of parts just can't be certain of anything, period.
Now Occam sez follow the simplest theory that explains all the
facts. Yeah I know, who has all the facts, but in fact the simplest
theory is NOT that God made the physical, and then rearranged the
physical into consciousness.
If God himself were conscious, it wouldn't be a physical process
based consciousness anyhow now would it, and thus anything that was a
physical based 'consciousness' or mechanical analogue of such, would
have to be very different indeed from the true consciousness of God.
Worse the proof sez that since God-the-non-physical and the
physical are two different objects, and two different KINDS of objects,
God can never know whether his physical creation exists or not with
perfect certainty, nor can God and his physical souls ever know about
each other either.
So since there is no evidence whatsoever for the physical universe,
it makes a lot more sense to just say there is God.
God can't create anything, so God is conserved and being the only
something there is, something is also conserved. That makes the
physicists and the 'zofers happy.
But this God can change state, God is a kind of glow in the dark
dream being. He can 'create' conscious dreams, pictures, scenes,
sensations etc, by causing his own substrate to change polarization from
off to on. Nothing created in actuality, but a change in state in what
was already eternally there.
Then he can stick his consciousness into one of these dreams so he
thinks he IS the dreamer. And he can do this many countless of
independent times, creating many dreamers dreaming many dreams. Again
nothing actual created, but changes in state in the One God to make it
look like TO HIMSELF there are many dreamers.
Thus God does not create the Soul, but turns himself into the Soul,
to view the many panoramas he is displaying in his multi colored glow in
the dark body.
And when the soul wakes from the dream, he 'becomes one' with God
again, because he always was God in carnation anyhow.
And thus God and Soul can be certain of each other, because they
ARE each other.
If God and Soul are two different materials, Ex Temporal or In
Temporal, then God and soul are two different objects, and thus the Soul
can never become one with God, nor even know if God exists with
certainty.
Two different objects is a bitch.
Normal meatballs consider the physical universe to be a Cathedral
of sorts, and Souls are the beings inside the edifice of existence.
These souls like to pretend that God is also inside the edifice as 'God
permeates everything,' but then God is also outside of the edifice
because he made it, whereas the Souls are not and can not be outside the
edifice because they ARE MADE of the edifice material.
Thus we say that God is Ex Cathedra, and the Souls are In Cathedra.
However Occam would say it is simpler to believe that God itself is
the Cathedral, not the physical universe which instead is dreams of
pretty stained glass through out the living Cathedral walls, and God
likes to play at being Soul inside the Cathedral looking out through the
stained glass at what else he has wrought.
In other words God is looking out at what he made over there, by
BEING what he made over here.
But both over there and over here are but tattoos on the body of God
glowing in the dark of the void.
Nothing created, nothing destroyed, just a chameleon changing the
colors of his being.
It is as simple as that.
Believe it or not the above passes muster with the philozofical
alarms, they just stay quiet as you please, because nothing isn't coming
from something, and two different objects aren't being certain of each
other.
Of course being in an incarnated state, God is pretty stupid at the
moment, albeit by exquisite design, and will reject everything said
above, which is as it should be, lest the soul wake up too fast to 'who
or what is cause around here and why is it such an AssSoul?'
Homer
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> In alt.clearing.technology Dennis L Erlich <informer@informer.org> wrote:
>> And wrt my own beliefs, I see everything in this universe as a part of
>> God ... God's Being and God's life. We are inside God and God's life
>> is inside us.
You see, I am a philozofer, and when you do philozofy enough you
notice there is a little alarm that goes off inside that is very subtle,
but it tells you when you are on the wrong track however slightly off
course it might be.
Anytime people start talking about something creating something
else, the little alarm goes off.
Even in the physical universe, nothing gets created nor destroyed,
energy only changes form, and macro things get rearranged because they
are made of parts.
ARRANGEMENTS AND STATES of stuff come and go, but the stuff itself
remains eternally there.
Thus the ultimate stuff of things is conserved.
We call this the conservation of something.
So when people starting about God, which is not physical, creating
the physical, the philozofy alarm goes off loudly, and then when they
further talk about making conscious units out of rearrangements of
physical parts the alarm smokes and blows up, cuz the proof says that
ain't possible.
Arrangements of parts just can't be certain of anything, period.
Now Occam sez follow the simplest theory that explains all the
facts. Yeah I know, who has all the facts, but in fact the simplest
theory is NOT that God made the physical, and then rearranged the
physical into consciousness.
If God himself were conscious, it wouldn't be a physical process
based consciousness anyhow now would it, and thus anything that was a
physical based 'consciousness' or mechanical analogue of such, would
have to be very different indeed from the true consciousness of God.
Worse the proof sez that since God-the-non-physical and the
physical are two different objects, and two different KINDS of objects,
God can never know whether his physical creation exists or not with
perfect certainty, nor can God and his physical souls ever know about
each other either.
So since there is no evidence whatsoever for the physical universe,
it makes a lot more sense to just say there is God.
God can't create anything, so God is conserved and being the only
something there is, something is also conserved. That makes the
physicists and the 'zofers happy.
But this God can change state, God is a kind of glow in the dark
dream being. He can 'create' conscious dreams, pictures, scenes,
sensations etc, by causing his own substrate to change polarization from
off to on. Nothing created in actuality, but a change in state in what
was already eternally there.
Then he can stick his consciousness into one of these dreams so he
thinks he IS the dreamer. And he can do this many countless of
independent times, creating many dreamers dreaming many dreams. Again
nothing actual created, but changes in state in the One God to make it
look like TO HIMSELF there are many dreamers.
Thus God does not create the Soul, but turns himself into the Soul,
to view the many panoramas he is displaying in his multi colored glow in
the dark body.
And when the soul wakes from the dream, he 'becomes one' with God
again, because he always was God in carnation anyhow.
And thus God and Soul can be certain of each other, because they
ARE each other.
If God and Soul are two different materials, Ex Temporal or In
Temporal, then God and soul are two different objects, and thus the Soul
can never become one with God, nor even know if God exists with
certainty.
Two different objects is a bitch.
Normal meatballs consider the physical universe to be a Cathedral
of sorts, and Souls are the beings inside the edifice of existence.
These souls like to pretend that God is also inside the edifice as 'God
permeates everything,' but then God is also outside of the edifice
because he made it, whereas the Souls are not and can not be outside the
edifice because they ARE MADE of the edifice material.
Thus we say that God is Ex Cathedra, and the Souls are In Cathedra.
However Occam would say it is simpler to believe that God itself is
the Cathedral, not the physical universe which instead is dreams of
pretty stained glass through out the living Cathedral walls, and God
likes to play at being Soul inside the Cathedral looking out through the
stained glass at what else he has wrought.
In other words God is looking out at what he made over there, by
BEING what he made over here.
But both over there and over here are but tattoos on the body of God
glowing in the dark of the void.
Nothing created, nothing destroyed, just a chameleon changing the
colors of his being.
It is as simple as that.
Believe it or not the above passes muster with the philozofical
alarms, they just stay quiet as you please, because nothing isn't coming
from something, and two different objects aren't being certain of each
other.
Of course being in an incarnated state, God is pretty stupid at the
moment, albeit by exquisite design, and will reject everything said
above, which is as it should be, lest the soul wake up too fast to 'who
or what is cause around here and why is it such an AssSoul?'
Homer
Tue Mar 23 20:46:48 EDT 2010
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huggieoh (huggieoh@clear.net.nz) wrote:
>Homer's problem solved,
>IMMORTALITY, you can't attain it and you can never lose it!
Correct.
However one can lose sight of one's immortality, and thus live a
mortal life on death row with resulting infinite charge on infinite
loss of infinite futures.
Tell an immortal being whose future is endlessly beautiful that
he is going die forever shortly, and watch the sadness grow without
bounds.
It actually brings the whole universe down.
True it is a joke the being plays on himself, but the purpose of
the joke is to get the humor of it all after a while, not to be a
mortal life after life forever and ever. So at some point in the
travesty it comes time for the being to wake up and get the Joke
again.
>To strive after immortality is one of the oldest implants.
>They MAKE you be what you already have.
>Immortality is not a damned long time as the Abos believe. It is the
>everlasting Here and Now.
>There is no other place and there is no other time.
>If you can't help being immortal why not relax and enjoy it?
Well many beings are actually headed for a kind of Hell forever.
They can relax all they want but are still headed for an abyss of
bugs, fire, torment and eventually sold cold tar, obsidian, and
concrete.
Often they become meatballs rather than face that fate, but of
course it doesn't stop the actual descent in to hell. Mortality is
like a short stop at an opium den on the way out the tubes.
Eventually they get booted out to slip down to the next opium den
on the way down the drain.
This oscillation between hell forever and death forever is the
result of an aberration arising from dramatization of forevers itself,
and it can and should be audited out.
Being glib about these things is not good for a being.
Having found myself about 10 opium dens down the way, and pulled
myself back from the brink, I can only say that some people need to
experience it to get real on it and stop "Oh Poshing" the condition.
If a being is high enough to get the joke himself and can thus
appreciate the beauty of beings rolling around the drain to hell,
well then they can appreciate the scene all they want and then go
their way.
But when most people first gaze upon the oceanic flow of beings
down the river of Hell, their hearts stop for a moment and they feel
the undertow slowly taking them in the same direction.
These people might be interested in what I have to say.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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huggieoh (huggieoh@clear.net.nz) wrote:
>Homer's problem solved,
>IMMORTALITY, you can't attain it and you can never lose it!
Correct.
However one can lose sight of one's immortality, and thus live a
mortal life on death row with resulting infinite charge on infinite
loss of infinite futures.
Tell an immortal being whose future is endlessly beautiful that
he is going die forever shortly, and watch the sadness grow without
bounds.
It actually brings the whole universe down.
True it is a joke the being plays on himself, but the purpose of
the joke is to get the humor of it all after a while, not to be a
mortal life after life forever and ever. So at some point in the
travesty it comes time for the being to wake up and get the Joke
again.
>To strive after immortality is one of the oldest implants.
>They MAKE you be what you already have.
>Immortality is not a damned long time as the Abos believe. It is the
>everlasting Here and Now.
>There is no other place and there is no other time.
>If you can't help being immortal why not relax and enjoy it?
Well many beings are actually headed for a kind of Hell forever.
They can relax all they want but are still headed for an abyss of
bugs, fire, torment and eventually sold cold tar, obsidian, and
concrete.
Often they become meatballs rather than face that fate, but of
course it doesn't stop the actual descent in to hell. Mortality is
like a short stop at an opium den on the way out the tubes.
Eventually they get booted out to slip down to the next opium den
on the way down the drain.
This oscillation between hell forever and death forever is the
result of an aberration arising from dramatization of forevers itself,
and it can and should be audited out.
Being glib about these things is not good for a being.
Having found myself about 10 opium dens down the way, and pulled
myself back from the brink, I can only say that some people need to
experience it to get real on it and stop "Oh Poshing" the condition.
If a being is high enough to get the joke himself and can thus
appreciate the beauty of beings rolling around the drain to hell,
well then they can appreciate the scene all they want and then go
their way.
But when most people first gaze upon the oceanic flow of beings
down the river of Hell, their hearts stop for a moment and they feel
the undertow slowly taking them in the same direction.
These people might be interested in what I have to say.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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AMNESTY FOR THE CHURCH
ACT - 33
25 December 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
CU,
I have posted this to the net.
The masters of 'equivalent' terms are the people at the
Metapsychology Institute, Sarge Gerbode and Co. You can find them
listed in SCI-29 which I just reposted.
Auditing is called viewing, and auditors are called facilitators,
and pcs are called viewers. They have a different word for EVERYTHING.
Mayo would be able to help you there, because he worked with them for a
long time.
Mayo however reverts easily back to Scientology speak.
Personally I am opposed to jargon changing too much. For one it
signifies a retreat from the monopolistic view of the Church. The
Church is opposed to competition which is the American Way after all.
They plan to get around the anti trust laws by being a church
rather than a legal for profit corporation.
Which is fine by me, they NEED to be a Church to keep the
regulators out of their hair when it comes to the tech.
But they have the ethics level of a viper, and they can be expected
to use that to its fullest potential.
Changing all the words also relegates 'the tech' to the status of
an invented work, rather than a scientific discovery which it is, even
if it is of a religious nature. The Science of the Soul is no less a
science even though Chris doesn't have one.
Further certain words are just plain old correct, the tone scale,
Awareness Characteristic Chart, buttons, etc.
Lastly many of the words are actually in GPMS in the bank, and
constant use of them tends to destimulate that bank, witness Filberts
version of the Clearing Course GPM which starts off with Affinity,
Reality, Communication, Understanding, Knowledge, Responsibility,
Control, Be, Do, Have etc.
You can't copyright the bank, and you can't copyright the structure
of my soul, and if it works for me it is only because I MADE it that way
in the beginning. This may not be real to you, since you don't buy the
Sovereignty thing, but it was real to LRH because he SAID SO MANY TIMES.
I suggest we hold the Church to his word.
So their copyrights are all invalid except for the actual printed
form of the work. The algorithms belong to all of us.
Also, there are many more people who have gone THROUGH Scientology
than are still IN Scientology, the Church. Just because they have left
the Church or moved on, doesn't mean they aren't still Scientologists at
heart.
It was and still is their religion, even though they are silent and
hiding in a hole about it. So you have the matter of deeply held
traditions and heart felt beliefs here. These people gave their whole
lives to Scientology and the Tech, you can't just tell them that the
language they grew up learning to speak is now copyrighted in the name
of some money mongerer and so they can't use it anymore.
You know, there probably isn't one person in the Church today who
is actually responsible for the Church being there. All those people
are gone or retired or been purged. Its present members are living on
the work of others they hold in contempt.
God will not be mocked, this can not go on forever. Eventually
payment will come due.
Finally, the more these words are put into the language as a
natural part of the language, the more people will benefit from Ron's
work. By using them extensively, they will become the defacto standard
for talking about such things. As such they fall into the public
domain.
By changing the words you guarantee that Ron's work becomes
relegated to some secret cult dialog, which will only be known by
everyone once the cult has taken over the world, which it does intend to
do.
If you teach everyone these words first, then the world will take
over the cult, not the other way around, and you will still have
workable and enjoyable Scientology on the planet.
For example, how are you going to change the buttons of a
prepcheck? Maybe you don't want to call it a prepcheck, but I wouldn't
alter the buttons any, including alter-is, as-is, and not-is.
I might add a few buttons,
'Has anything been squashed, stifled, terminated, pounded down made
nothing of, or nailed out of existence?'
It has been suggested that the field should declare an Amnesty on
the Church and members in good standing. If they write up their
withholds, and turn them into the field, they will be forgiven for what
ever crimes they have including suppressive crimes. Further they would
be allowed to continue with their involvement in the Church with the
Field's Blessings.
Personally I wouldn't press them with a security risk like withhold
writeups, I would just allow them to sign a very simple Non Aggression
Pact with the field, just come sign their name and let us know they are
our friends.
They could even do it via e-mail.
You know someday there are going to be MANY more Scientologists
that have gone THROUGH the Church than remain IN the Church. The
turnover is tremendous. But these people that have gone through the
Church are mostly still Scientologists or would be if they could see
their way through the bull-doo.
If the Church continues to turn out ARC broken Scientologists as
its Long Term Valuable Final Product, at the constant rate that it has
been, one day they will band together and start declaring members in
good standing FAIR GAME. The Karma will come full circle with a
vengeance. Mostly it doesn't happen now because the field is not
organized, it is spread out all over kingdom come, without leaders or
communication or anything. Just pockets of very quiet resistance.
But the sheer numbers of people in the field who would throw a rock
at the Church in a moment if they thought it would make a better Church,
one they could belong to again, openly, with pride and in peace is
staggering. The Church depends on these people being disbanded and
disorganized and afraid.
You gotta understand something here. The Law is nice and all that,
and to the degree you wish to partake in a civilized society the Law is
a necessary adjunct to the affairs of men.
But the Church is in a war for control of the Planet. They want
scientologist Presidents and Policy Makers in all levels of the
government. They don't expect to let men continue to fight their 'two
penny' wars for the rest of time and generally ruin this planet with
their criminal insanities, and death directed darkness.
Now you gotta consider whether the Churche's cure is worse than the
problem they are offering to solve.
You know when Ron said a planet without criminality, insanity and
war, he DIDN'T mean a planet not in the hands of the Scientologists.
This is actually an off world effort to take over this planet. Not
necessary a malignant one, but an effort to take over the place none the
less.
So you gotta ask yourself what kind of people are presently running
the process of taking over the planet. Are they still the loyal
following that came here with great personal sacrifice to save mankind
from his own folly, or did they lose quietly a long time ago, while many
of the loyal still delude themselves that the final conquest is still on
schedule.
It is very possible that the final conquest IS still on schedule
but I think the members in good standing have a shock coming to them
when they find out WHO they were finally making the conquest for.
In my opinion it won't be for LRH.
It won't be LRH they will be waving too when the true leaders they
made the conquest for step forward.
So if it is going to be war, then war it may be. The people in the
Church must determine who their friends are. When you have people like
Tony siding with Chris against me, you really gotta wonder how someone
gets his head so far up his ass he can see out of his own mouth again.
It must have taken a lot of auditing on Tony's part to be able to twist
oneself around in that way. Chris one can excuse as a no case gain
meathead, but Tony is a Class VI that others are coming to to have their
Eternity's secured.
The Church has come to see the field, the squirrels, as worse
enemies than the New World Order or the Psychiatric Zombie Lords. Why?
Are we all suppressives working for the Puppet Masters or the Walking
Dead? Or do we provide a sane alternative and workable technology that
is growing and able to compete where they aren't?
I do not wish a war with the members in good standing in the Church
who are honestly interested in furthering the purposes of clearing on
this planet, as long as they understand that a world wide monolithic
political structure consisting of only Church Scientologists will never
happen.
Trying to bring that about will cause more death than you can
imagine.
A cooperative free market in spiritual technology though will bring
about the dreams that LRH had for this planet. We COOPERATE, we don't
ASSIMILATE. We are not Borg. (See Star Trek, the Next Generation.)
If the people in the Church wish to act like Borg, then they may
have a war on their hands, because there are many more freezoners than
there are of them, and they already have lots of enemies in the world
without those in he field also. If the field were to completely and
totally turn on the Church in one voice, the Church would not last.
Just so if the field were to band with the Church and help the
Church, nothing could topple her or RUN HER FROM BEHIND THE SCENES.
So I am not going to make a silly plea for peace here between the
two factions, because it will never happen. The Borg only understand
assimilation and destruction. They can not tolerate OTHERNESS.
However as suggested, the field might consider a formal Amnesty to
members in the Church that wish to accept it. This means members would
go on record in the field as not being an enemy of the field, not
opposing the growth of independent Clearing Technology, and which would
include a sworn promise to not take suppressive acts against members of
the field even if they are forced to do so by their superiors. In
return they would be protected against being declared FAIR GAME if and
when it ever comes to an all out war between the Church and the
Independent field, a war the Church seems to be hell bent on
precipitating regardless of what their members want.
Again my personal opinion would be something more along the lines
of a Bi-Lateral Non Aggression Pact signed by members of both sides in
defiance of the lines of Hostility that are presently drawn by those
same two sides.
You know everyone in the Church, especially when they first come
in, think they will be in the Church forever. But then the ARC breaks
and missed withholds begin to catch up with them, and pretty soon all
they are doing is looking for a way out.
The field always welcomes people from the Church, even if you wish
to go BACK to the Church, we don't care where you get auditing, you
know, just as long as you are getting it and DOING it.
But it is going to be a lot harder on you if and when you do decide
to leave the Church, if you have spent your entire tenure in the Church
committing atrocities on field members in the name of Scientology. No
one will want to audit or train you, you will really be all alone.
So the next time you are tempted to earn a brownie point for
yourself by harming a field member, consider signing the Non Aggression
Pact, even if only in your head, and take aim at the New World Order or
the Psychiatric Zombie Lords instead. It would be a correct target, and
earn you a true friend in the field.
Homer
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AMNESTY FOR THE CHURCH
ACT - 33
25 December 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
CU,
I have posted this to the net.
The masters of 'equivalent' terms are the people at the
Metapsychology Institute, Sarge Gerbode and Co. You can find them
listed in SCI-29 which I just reposted.
Auditing is called viewing, and auditors are called facilitators,
and pcs are called viewers. They have a different word for EVERYTHING.
Mayo would be able to help you there, because he worked with them for a
long time.
Mayo however reverts easily back to Scientology speak.
Personally I am opposed to jargon changing too much. For one it
signifies a retreat from the monopolistic view of the Church. The
Church is opposed to competition which is the American Way after all.
They plan to get around the anti trust laws by being a church
rather than a legal for profit corporation.
Which is fine by me, they NEED to be a Church to keep the
regulators out of their hair when it comes to the tech.
But they have the ethics level of a viper, and they can be expected
to use that to its fullest potential.
Changing all the words also relegates 'the tech' to the status of
an invented work, rather than a scientific discovery which it is, even
if it is of a religious nature. The Science of the Soul is no less a
science even though Chris doesn't have one.
Further certain words are just plain old correct, the tone scale,
Awareness Characteristic Chart, buttons, etc.
Lastly many of the words are actually in GPMS in the bank, and
constant use of them tends to destimulate that bank, witness Filberts
version of the Clearing Course GPM which starts off with Affinity,
Reality, Communication, Understanding, Knowledge, Responsibility,
Control, Be, Do, Have etc.
You can't copyright the bank, and you can't copyright the structure
of my soul, and if it works for me it is only because I MADE it that way
in the beginning. This may not be real to you, since you don't buy the
Sovereignty thing, but it was real to LRH because he SAID SO MANY TIMES.
I suggest we hold the Church to his word.
So their copyrights are all invalid except for the actual printed
form of the work. The algorithms belong to all of us.
Also, there are many more people who have gone THROUGH Scientology
than are still IN Scientology, the Church. Just because they have left
the Church or moved on, doesn't mean they aren't still Scientologists at
heart.
It was and still is their religion, even though they are silent and
hiding in a hole about it. So you have the matter of deeply held
traditions and heart felt beliefs here. These people gave their whole
lives to Scientology and the Tech, you can't just tell them that the
language they grew up learning to speak is now copyrighted in the name
of some money mongerer and so they can't use it anymore.
You know, there probably isn't one person in the Church today who
is actually responsible for the Church being there. All those people
are gone or retired or been purged. Its present members are living on
the work of others they hold in contempt.
God will not be mocked, this can not go on forever. Eventually
payment will come due.
Finally, the more these words are put into the language as a
natural part of the language, the more people will benefit from Ron's
work. By using them extensively, they will become the defacto standard
for talking about such things. As such they fall into the public
domain.
By changing the words you guarantee that Ron's work becomes
relegated to some secret cult dialog, which will only be known by
everyone once the cult has taken over the world, which it does intend to
do.
If you teach everyone these words first, then the world will take
over the cult, not the other way around, and you will still have
workable and enjoyable Scientology on the planet.
For example, how are you going to change the buttons of a
prepcheck? Maybe you don't want to call it a prepcheck, but I wouldn't
alter the buttons any, including alter-is, as-is, and not-is.
I might add a few buttons,
'Has anything been squashed, stifled, terminated, pounded down made
nothing of, or nailed out of existence?'
It has been suggested that the field should declare an Amnesty on
the Church and members in good standing. If they write up their
withholds, and turn them into the field, they will be forgiven for what
ever crimes they have including suppressive crimes. Further they would
be allowed to continue with their involvement in the Church with the
Field's Blessings.
Personally I wouldn't press them with a security risk like withhold
writeups, I would just allow them to sign a very simple Non Aggression
Pact with the field, just come sign their name and let us know they are
our friends.
They could even do it via e-mail.
You know someday there are going to be MANY more Scientologists
that have gone THROUGH the Church than remain IN the Church. The
turnover is tremendous. But these people that have gone through the
Church are mostly still Scientologists or would be if they could see
their way through the bull-doo.
If the Church continues to turn out ARC broken Scientologists as
its Long Term Valuable Final Product, at the constant rate that it has
been, one day they will band together and start declaring members in
good standing FAIR GAME. The Karma will come full circle with a
vengeance. Mostly it doesn't happen now because the field is not
organized, it is spread out all over kingdom come, without leaders or
communication or anything. Just pockets of very quiet resistance.
But the sheer numbers of people in the field who would throw a rock
at the Church in a moment if they thought it would make a better Church,
one they could belong to again, openly, with pride and in peace is
staggering. The Church depends on these people being disbanded and
disorganized and afraid.
You gotta understand something here. The Law is nice and all that,
and to the degree you wish to partake in a civilized society the Law is
a necessary adjunct to the affairs of men.
But the Church is in a war for control of the Planet. They want
scientologist Presidents and Policy Makers in all levels of the
government. They don't expect to let men continue to fight their 'two
penny' wars for the rest of time and generally ruin this planet with
their criminal insanities, and death directed darkness.
Now you gotta consider whether the Churche's cure is worse than the
problem they are offering to solve.
You know when Ron said a planet without criminality, insanity and
war, he DIDN'T mean a planet not in the hands of the Scientologists.
This is actually an off world effort to take over this planet. Not
necessary a malignant one, but an effort to take over the place none the
less.
So you gotta ask yourself what kind of people are presently running
the process of taking over the planet. Are they still the loyal
following that came here with great personal sacrifice to save mankind
from his own folly, or did they lose quietly a long time ago, while many
of the loyal still delude themselves that the final conquest is still on
schedule.
It is very possible that the final conquest IS still on schedule
but I think the members in good standing have a shock coming to them
when they find out WHO they were finally making the conquest for.
In my opinion it won't be for LRH.
It won't be LRH they will be waving too when the true leaders they
made the conquest for step forward.
So if it is going to be war, then war it may be. The people in the
Church must determine who their friends are. When you have people like
Tony siding with Chris against me, you really gotta wonder how someone
gets his head so far up his ass he can see out of his own mouth again.
It must have taken a lot of auditing on Tony's part to be able to twist
oneself around in that way. Chris one can excuse as a no case gain
meathead, but Tony is a Class VI that others are coming to to have their
Eternity's secured.
The Church has come to see the field, the squirrels, as worse
enemies than the New World Order or the Psychiatric Zombie Lords. Why?
Are we all suppressives working for the Puppet Masters or the Walking
Dead? Or do we provide a sane alternative and workable technology that
is growing and able to compete where they aren't?
I do not wish a war with the members in good standing in the Church
who are honestly interested in furthering the purposes of clearing on
this planet, as long as they understand that a world wide monolithic
political structure consisting of only Church Scientologists will never
happen.
Trying to bring that about will cause more death than you can
imagine.
A cooperative free market in spiritual technology though will bring
about the dreams that LRH had for this planet. We COOPERATE, we don't
ASSIMILATE. We are not Borg. (See Star Trek, the Next Generation.)
If the people in the Church wish to act like Borg, then they may
have a war on their hands, because there are many more freezoners than
there are of them, and they already have lots of enemies in the world
without those in he field also. If the field were to completely and
totally turn on the Church in one voice, the Church would not last.
Just so if the field were to band with the Church and help the
Church, nothing could topple her or RUN HER FROM BEHIND THE SCENES.
So I am not going to make a silly plea for peace here between the
two factions, because it will never happen. The Borg only understand
assimilation and destruction. They can not tolerate OTHERNESS.
However as suggested, the field might consider a formal Amnesty to
members in the Church that wish to accept it. This means members would
go on record in the field as not being an enemy of the field, not
opposing the growth of independent Clearing Technology, and which would
include a sworn promise to not take suppressive acts against members of
the field even if they are forced to do so by their superiors. In
return they would be protected against being declared FAIR GAME if and
when it ever comes to an all out war between the Church and the
Independent field, a war the Church seems to be hell bent on
precipitating regardless of what their members want.
Again my personal opinion would be something more along the lines
of a Bi-Lateral Non Aggression Pact signed by members of both sides in
defiance of the lines of Hostility that are presently drawn by those
same two sides.
You know everyone in the Church, especially when they first come
in, think they will be in the Church forever. But then the ARC breaks
and missed withholds begin to catch up with them, and pretty soon all
they are doing is looking for a way out.
The field always welcomes people from the Church, even if you wish
to go BACK to the Church, we don't care where you get auditing, you
know, just as long as you are getting it and DOING it.
But it is going to be a lot harder on you if and when you do decide
to leave the Church, if you have spent your entire tenure in the Church
committing atrocities on field members in the name of Scientology. No
one will want to audit or train you, you will really be all alone.
So the next time you are tempted to earn a brownie point for
yourself by harming a field member, consider signing the Non Aggression
Pact, even if only in your head, and take aim at the New World Order or
the Psychiatric Zombie Lords instead. It would be a correct target, and
earn you a true friend in the field.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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ORIGINS OF RELIGION
Good post, and very clear.
Nothing to argue about here, except that religion, even rudimentary
organized religion, has roots earlier than a desire to control, namely the
divine ascension experiences and the desire to communicate and invoke those
experiences in others.
Those who have seen what we are doing here, where we are, where we came
from, and where (the hell) we are going, are eager to communicate their
discoveries to others and right they should be.
Discoveries of the spirit are no different than discoveries of mammon.
However once handed the spirit ball, there are many who would run
with it for purposes of profit, control and enslavement just as
organized science and even government has done, as you have so carefully
detailed.
And there are those, who hiding in the darkness from their crimes
along these lines, take every effort possible to belittle and throw
contempt on the exitence of spirit, divinity and their related ascension
experiences.
Also there is no faster way to crash an eternal being than to
convince him he is made of mortal meat and will die when the body dies.
Thus such beliefs that deny, suppress or even punish true religious
expeiences are used to keep beings in darkness and imprisoned on a
mental and emotional death row their entire lives.
To wit, tell the wrong person you have exterioized from your body,
and they will try to 'help' you with prozac and electric shock.
Tell someone you talk with demons and angels in dreams at night
waring over your soul, or clusters of other misfortunates, and they will
tell you 'a doctor can help you with that.'
Homer
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Kat wrote:
> On Apr 25, 10:24 pm, Jane Elizabeth Staller <j...@lightlink.com>
> wrote:
>> Kat said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "It is my firm belief that religion is a tool that human kind has
>>> evolved past needing, but clings to out of fear of change and the
>>> unknown. "
>>
>> It looks like you just said that people who are into religion
>> are unevolved.
>>
>> Please define what you mean by religion.
>>
>> Jane
>
> I thought you were done talking with me? I actually discussed what I
> meant by this comment in another post, perhaps you missed it. I will
> take this opportunity to expand upon my point. I don't think you will
> read it, but enjoy the anthropological tl;dr anyways.
>
>
> **************************************************
>
> When one studies history, they see that organized religion was
> developed as a means of socio-political control. As we slipped from
> matriarchal hunter gatherer societies into patriarchal societies with
> language, currency and property, codes of conduct and laws became
> necessary. Concepts of personal property necessitated rules regarding
> theft and inheritance in the event of marriage or death. Systems of
> punishment for those who broke rules had to be implemented and early
> on, this was usually done by the religious caste/organization.
>
> These codes of behavior/laws make sense if you study the historic
> context. For example, the concept of unclean animals. Early tribes of
> Israel bordered other cultures that had regular feasts, and usually
> pork. Pork, when poorly cooked (such as at a festival where people are
> too drunk to cook it correctly) will make you sick. The early priests
> said "Hey! Everyone! This animal is unclean, don't eat it!" and thus
> was absorbed into the faith.
>
> These codes of behavior changed over the years depending on who was
> reading the text. "Virgin", at the time the prophesy of Jesus was
> written, meant any young woman who was old enough to be married. At
> the time of the historical figure's birth, it meant one who had not
> indulged in sex yet. The "modern" (to them) definition was used so as
> to make Jesus divine and not just a hippie Jewish rabbi who's
> teachings were not in sync with the church.
>
> These codes of behavior have also been altered for political means.
> "Suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to
> live". It was changed over the years to demonize midwives, pagans,
> gypsies and anyone else who didn't fit in and pay a tithe to the
> church. Popular pagan holidays were similarly absorbed, such as
> christmas (saturnalia, i think) and easter (the festival of Eostar).
>
> The church did something else for its followers. When we were hunter
> gatherers, it was easy to know who was in your tribe. Strangers
> represented a potential threat.. they might steal your resources
> (food, supplies, people) or kill you on sight. A shared religion, as
> we changed to sedentary life, gave people a common bond so that they
> could identify others who might be very different from themselves
> (which is very scary to many people!) as an enemy or ally, based on
> how they were dressed, their holy symbol etc. The caste system used by
> the hindu peoples is another way of demonstrating social associations
> determined by faith.
>
>
>
> *************************************************
>
>
>
> All of this pales in the face of what religion and spirituality are
> mainly about: making sense of the world around us based on what we
> already know as "truth". What happens to us when we die? Why do bad
> things happen to good people? Where did the universe as we know it
> come from?
>
> Science has answered many things the church previously hoped to
> explain. While fallible, gravity, genetics, physics etc do a better
> job of explaining the mundane aspects of life than any organized
> religion has previously. To those who think the world is only 7
> thousand years old because the bible says so, I shall throw a carbon
> dated fossil at your head!
>
> As for the code of laws we need to govern ourselves, most societies in
> the "modern" world have laws that are applicable to their culture.
> There are set laws and there are set consequences for those laws. In
> the us and other countries, those laws are made so that they are
> applicable regardless of faith and rightfully so. Those laws are
> enforced not by the church, but the military or police. Sadly this is
> not the case everywhere, I hope that one day it is.
>
> Social belonging.... the net and other modern technologies have
> forever changed how we interact as people. Facebook brings more people
> together than church picnics or sunday service. We do not need
> religious arranged marriages or religious rules for inheritance of
> property. Humans are so diverse and so populous in so many places that
> cultural identity cannot be defined with a specific organized church.
>
>
> ***********************************************************
>
> Because of our diversity, I hope that organized religion becomes a
> thing of the past. It is preposterous that, as a US citizen, I be
> forced to submit to sharia or evangelical beliefs or even shinto. I am
> me, I have the freedom to be me and decide what is right for ME
> spiritually, emotionally and philosophically. Bringing organized
> religion into laws, something that certain factions in the us are
> trying to do, violates our freedom of religion. Someone so wholly
> unconnected to me in any way should not have a say in how I live my
> life.
>
> I have met people who would force me to go to church on sunday. I have
> met people who would force me to wear a veil and never drive or vote
> just because I have a uterus. I have met people who would elevate my
> status in society and my "spiritual" status because of my education
> and bloodline. I was once declared a child of evil and sin simply
> because I am a red head. Those things are utterly preposterous and
> quite frankly, dangerous. They are leftovers of a time when humans
> needed a tribe to bind them together from things that go bump in the
> night... we have evolved past that point culturally.
>
> So, why do we still cling to them? Fear and an unwillingness to
> question what we are taught. It is my hope that this will be abandoned
> and that spirituality and religion will shift focus from guidelines
> from living to more positive things: healing one another, healing the
> earth we seem so intent on destroying, making ourselves self -
> actualized. We will not achieve those things however, until we as a
> whole learn to release our fears, prejudices and collective conceit.
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ORIGINS OF RELIGION
Good post, and very clear.
Nothing to argue about here, except that religion, even rudimentary
organized religion, has roots earlier than a desire to control, namely the
divine ascension experiences and the desire to communicate and invoke those
experiences in others.
Those who have seen what we are doing here, where we are, where we came
from, and where (the hell) we are going, are eager to communicate their
discoveries to others and right they should be.
Discoveries of the spirit are no different than discoveries of mammon.
However once handed the spirit ball, there are many who would run
with it for purposes of profit, control and enslavement just as
organized science and even government has done, as you have so carefully
detailed.
And there are those, who hiding in the darkness from their crimes
along these lines, take every effort possible to belittle and throw
contempt on the exitence of spirit, divinity and their related ascension
experiences.
Also there is no faster way to crash an eternal being than to
convince him he is made of mortal meat and will die when the body dies.
Thus such beliefs that deny, suppress or even punish true religious
expeiences are used to keep beings in darkness and imprisoned on a
mental and emotional death row their entire lives.
To wit, tell the wrong person you have exterioized from your body,
and they will try to 'help' you with prozac and electric shock.
Tell someone you talk with demons and angels in dreams at night
waring over your soul, or clusters of other misfortunates, and they will
tell you 'a doctor can help you with that.'
Homer
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homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Kat wrote:
> On Apr 25, 10:24 pm, Jane Elizabeth Staller <j...@lightlink.com>
> wrote:
>> Kat said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "It is my firm belief that religion is a tool that human kind has
>>> evolved past needing, but clings to out of fear of change and the
>>> unknown. "
>>
>> It looks like you just said that people who are into religion
>> are unevolved.
>>
>> Please define what you mean by religion.
>>
>> Jane
>
> I thought you were done talking with me? I actually discussed what I
> meant by this comment in another post, perhaps you missed it. I will
> take this opportunity to expand upon my point. I don't think you will
> read it, but enjoy the anthropological tl;dr anyways.
>
>
> **************************************************
>
> When one studies history, they see that organized religion was
> developed as a means of socio-political control. As we slipped from
> matriarchal hunter gatherer societies into patriarchal societies with
> language, currency and property, codes of conduct and laws became
> necessary. Concepts of personal property necessitated rules regarding
> theft and inheritance in the event of marriage or death. Systems of
> punishment for those who broke rules had to be implemented and early
> on, this was usually done by the religious caste/organization.
>
> These codes of behavior/laws make sense if you study the historic
> context. For example, the concept of unclean animals. Early tribes of
> Israel bordered other cultures that had regular feasts, and usually
> pork. Pork, when poorly cooked (such as at a festival where people are
> too drunk to cook it correctly) will make you sick. The early priests
> said "Hey! Everyone! This animal is unclean, don't eat it!" and thus
> was absorbed into the faith.
>
> These codes of behavior changed over the years depending on who was
> reading the text. "Virgin", at the time the prophesy of Jesus was
> written, meant any young woman who was old enough to be married. At
> the time of the historical figure's birth, it meant one who had not
> indulged in sex yet. The "modern" (to them) definition was used so as
> to make Jesus divine and not just a hippie Jewish rabbi who's
> teachings were not in sync with the church.
>
> These codes of behavior have also been altered for political means.
> "Suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to
> live". It was changed over the years to demonize midwives, pagans,
> gypsies and anyone else who didn't fit in and pay a tithe to the
> church. Popular pagan holidays were similarly absorbed, such as
> christmas (saturnalia, i think) and easter (the festival of Eostar).
>
> The church did something else for its followers. When we were hunter
> gatherers, it was easy to know who was in your tribe. Strangers
> represented a potential threat.. they might steal your resources
> (food, supplies, people) or kill you on sight. A shared religion, as
> we changed to sedentary life, gave people a common bond so that they
> could identify others who might be very different from themselves
> (which is very scary to many people!) as an enemy or ally, based on
> how they were dressed, their holy symbol etc. The caste system used by
> the hindu peoples is another way of demonstrating social associations
> determined by faith.
>
>
>
> *************************************************
>
>
>
> All of this pales in the face of what religion and spirituality are
> mainly about: making sense of the world around us based on what we
> already know as "truth". What happens to us when we die? Why do bad
> things happen to good people? Where did the universe as we know it
> come from?
>
> Science has answered many things the church previously hoped to
> explain. While fallible, gravity, genetics, physics etc do a better
> job of explaining the mundane aspects of life than any organized
> religion has previously. To those who think the world is only 7
> thousand years old because the bible says so, I shall throw a carbon
> dated fossil at your head!
>
> As for the code of laws we need to govern ourselves, most societies in
> the "modern" world have laws that are applicable to their culture.
> There are set laws and there are set consequences for those laws. In
> the us and other countries, those laws are made so that they are
> applicable regardless of faith and rightfully so. Those laws are
> enforced not by the church, but the military or police. Sadly this is
> not the case everywhere, I hope that one day it is.
>
> Social belonging.... the net and other modern technologies have
> forever changed how we interact as people. Facebook brings more people
> together than church picnics or sunday service. We do not need
> religious arranged marriages or religious rules for inheritance of
> property. Humans are so diverse and so populous in so many places that
> cultural identity cannot be defined with a specific organized church.
>
>
> ***********************************************************
>
> Because of our diversity, I hope that organized religion becomes a
> thing of the past. It is preposterous that, as a US citizen, I be
> forced to submit to sharia or evangelical beliefs or even shinto. I am
> me, I have the freedom to be me and decide what is right for ME
> spiritually, emotionally and philosophically. Bringing organized
> religion into laws, something that certain factions in the us are
> trying to do, violates our freedom of religion. Someone so wholly
> unconnected to me in any way should not have a say in how I live my
> life.
>
> I have met people who would force me to go to church on sunday. I have
> met people who would force me to wear a veil and never drive or vote
> just because I have a uterus. I have met people who would elevate my
> status in society and my "spiritual" status because of my education
> and bloodline. I was once declared a child of evil and sin simply
> because I am a red head. Those things are utterly preposterous and
> quite frankly, dangerous. They are leftovers of a time when humans
> needed a tribe to bind them together from things that go bump in the
> night... we have evolved past that point culturally.
>
> So, why do we still cling to them? Fear and an unwillingness to
> question what we are taught. It is my hope that this will be abandoned
> and that spirituality and religion will shift focus from guidelines
> from living to more positive things: healing one another, healing the
> earth we seem so intent on destroying, making ourselves self -
> actualized. We will not achieve those things however, until we as a
> whole learn to release our fears, prejudices and collective conceit.
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AGAIN AND AGAIN
Alan Walter said:
> Homer does make case gain, if that's who you are talking about.
I do?
Now Alan, this is not a criticism, nor a personal attack, just the
Facts Jack, ok? Please don't get red in the face, please don't get
angry, please remain my friend, ok?
Actually Alan's write up about L&N makes me sad.
For one it is a "Need help" writeup, there is no hope the pc can
do it for himself.
Secondly it posits thousands of out-lists, endless complexity
etc, making the pc feel it is going to take thousands of hours and
endless amounts of dollars etc to get all this handled.
Thirdly it doesn't indicate, which makes the first two grate
even worse.
It produces a No Hope and No Peace reaction in me.
Here is my analysis.
In the first place the Question is
"What's this THING in my body?" or
"What's this all about?" or
"What's going on here?"
The answer changes as each layer comes off, I hope for a last
answer, but so far haven't found one.
But more importantly, the QUESTION is more important than the
ANSWER, and perhaps that is the answer to "What is wrong with me?"
Answer: I am trying to find the answer to the question, rather
than as-is the question.
Most pcs can't imagine asking a question without trying to get
the answer. They can't see the EFFORT to ask the question, because
they are too busy straining to find the ANSWER.
It is quite an accomplishment to be able to finally ask a question,
without trying to get the answer at all. One does this to observe
the efforts involved in the question.
One way to practice this is to ask a question which you know
the answer to and see if you can ask it without having the answer
come forward, like "What is my name?"
Then one sees that the efforts to ask the question are more
damaging in terms of ridges and impacted masses, than not knowing the
answer is.
Answers cool out questions, because the pc stops asking the question,
not because the answer is right! Wrong answers can also cause more
questions which then leads to endless cave in.
This is possibly why the Zen Master give a Koan to their
preclears, it is an unanswerable question. The intent is to get the
pc asking questions that guarantee there is no answer to look at, so
that finally the pc looks as the process of asking itself without
answering and starts to blow charge.
Thus "What question are you asking" is itself a listing question
of sorts, although it has many answers, but I would think that the
handling would NOT be to then get the 'correct' answer to any of those
questions, but to run something that would run out the asking of all
those questions which the pc lists.
This takes an awful lot of confront of NOT KNOW, the pc has to be
willing to HAVE not knowing the answer to all these questions, but he
will cool out the restim on his masses significantly if he can do so.
Questions like Why am I here?, Who am I? What am I supposed to
be doing?, What's my purpose?, When did I come in?, How do I get out?
All the basic Who, How, What, Where and Why's that drive the pc mad
through the trillenia.
Adore would have you spot the question and then ask it WITHOUT
ANSWERING IT, until the charge is off.
"The caliber of the caliper of souls is
The Questions they have asked, and
The Answers they have rejected."
Ultimately native state has no answers, in this sense ALL
answers to questions are false and are out items.
Thus auditing the asking of questions, instead of the answering
of questions, might lead to more fruitful results and bypass the need
for all the 'powerful' complexity that makes others necessary in the
game of case gain.
Perhaps we could call this the OT Q&A rundown, as LRH said the
only aberration there is waiting for an answer. Adore says the only
aberration there is is LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER BY BEING AN EFFECT,
but its the same thing. This is because the true answer to the
question is the exact duplication of the question and its implied
not know, at which point the not know blows and the prior know
arises. This is not an effort thing to learn by looking, this is
at worst an effort thing to duplicate the not know on the prior know.
Alan's message comes across to me as people can not help
themselves until they have been helped by others at great expense.
Adore's message is you can help yourself if you would simply
observe yourself asking how.
The logic behind this is simple, when the unwanted condition was
originally created, there was no question going on in the background
asking "how do I get rid of this, where do I get help for this etc?
One gets rid of the condition by making it again, by exactly
duplicating the original efforts to create it, thus if you are asking
"What is this? How do I get rid of it? Who is going to help me?
When it is going to happen? Why am I suffering from it?" you aren't
duplicating the efforts at the moment of creation of the condition
because those questions were not going on at the time.
On the other hand, if there were questions going on at the time
of the original creation, and the efforts of those questions are still
being asked consciously or unconsciously in present time, then that
question asking alone will keep the incident in full bloom.
Adore says that questions stick us to incidents, nothing else.
Thus the way to run the incident is not to ask "How do I run
this incident?" but to run the question you were asking in the
incident!
Notice that the incident question is NOT "What question was I
asking in the incident?"
Asking "What question was I asking in the incident?" is
self auditing. This is the figure-figure LRH talked about.
Running the asking of the question in the incident, particularly
its efforts and ridges of failure, whether or not you know what that
question is, is solo auditing. This is in fact very effective effort
processing.
Adore says that this effort processing gets at the postulate in
the incident because ultimately all postulates relate to being unable to
know and answer the damn question!
Thus spotting the extant questions in present time, NOT TO ANSWER
THEM BUT TO COOL THE ASKING, will go a long ways to bringing the
original incident to the foreground and allow you to run the rest of it
out.
LRH says the pc is trying to solve problems in the present by
using efforts he used against problems in the past. If what Adore
says is true, the basic problem is an unanswerable question, thus the
efforts the pc is using to answer present time questions he knows he
is asking, will be the same efforts he used on the past track
questions in the incidents that are holding him down.
Since the past track efforts do not properly match his present
time questions, he will be both failing to answer his present time
questions AND restimulating his past track overwhelms.
Freedom from overwhelm is also freedom from overwhelm about
asking and answering questions.
This listing and running the present time questions, AS QUESTIONS
NOT AS ANSWERS, will lead to the past track incidents and questions wherein
the pc first got entangled in misduplication of the know - not know
cycle and learning by looking at effects in order to know about cause,
(violations of the proof).
Misconstruing a know - not know cycle as a not know - know cycle
is a serious alter-is and might be the genesis of seriousness. If so,
then it is the seed of the joke.
Adore goes so far as to DEFINE an incident as a run in with a
question. AS the alter-is of know - not know takes place, the question
(not know) becomes an effort to learn by looking with no responsibility
for the not know. Thus rather than duplicate the not know thus blowing it
off, the pc gets into learning by looking.
Thus every incident on the mental plane is a violation of the
know - not know sequence by trying to indulge in answering a question
which is a not know - know sequence, and on the spiritual plane its a
violation of total responsibility.
The point is that the not know itself is created with postulate
and effort, so the way to erase that and know again is to duplicate
the effort to not know and the postulate, NOT indulge in MORE effort
to learn by looking which is a violation of The Proof.
It is the effort to learn by looking, to learn by being an
effect, to learn about cause by looking at effects, that pulls in all
sorts of stuff that you have assigned as cause that might teach you
what it is you want to know.
Learning and Teaching are dicoms.
If a cause has no effects on you, there is no way to learn
anything about it as a cause , nor have it teach you anything about it
as a cause, because all learning and teaching about cause takes place
via the effects that the cause has on you.
Since you are now trying to learn about cause by looking at
effects of that cause, you must become the effect of those causes,
and so of course you get impinged upon all over the place.
This is justice working.
If you say "I must know about cause, the only way to know about
cause is to look at its effects on me" then you shouldn't complain
when you find yourself the effect of those causes, eh?
Saving knowledge (knowledge that saves) does not reside in any
created thing, as salvation is salvation FROM all created things.
Learning by looking is what LRH called ransacking facsimiles,
although that falls short of the scope of what we are talking about
here, as beings will ransack all of creation, every other cause he can
think of in fact, to find what they are looking for, which ain't out
there anyhow.
Adore says one can know anything by not knowing some more.
Asking questions is not the way to do that.
Alan's message has a very negative effect on me and is very
disheartening, because it appears to me he is trying to sell other
determinism as my salvation, namely him or any other good auditor,
with the implication that if only I had done it right by coming to him
in the first place before I struck out on my own, which I surely
should have known better than to do, I would be ok by now.
I don't think Alan is capable of duplicating how much this
stance grates on me.
It in fact violates every principle I stand by.
Remember it is not the message of help that grates on me,
it is the apparent message of *NEED* beyond my willingness to need,
help.
If instead of saying
"Homer come to me and we will list all those questions you have
been asking and find the correct answer to all them which you in your
grand role as Supreme Dodo were not able to do, and you will be all better."
he said,
"Homer shut the fuck up, get on a meter or whatever, and list
out all the questions you are asking, and run the asking of them
without any effort to actually find the answer until you hit a blow
out of peace."
I would have felt much better about it.
But what do I know. I am not an Emperor nor an Ambassador, just
a Joker in the King's Court.
Homer
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Alan Walter said:
> Homer does make case gain, if that's who you are talking about.
I do?
Now Alan, this is not a criticism, nor a personal attack, just the
Facts Jack, ok? Please don't get red in the face, please don't get
angry, please remain my friend, ok?
Actually Alan's write up about L&N makes me sad.
For one it is a "Need help" writeup, there is no hope the pc can
do it for himself.
Secondly it posits thousands of out-lists, endless complexity
etc, making the pc feel it is going to take thousands of hours and
endless amounts of dollars etc to get all this handled.
Thirdly it doesn't indicate, which makes the first two grate
even worse.
It produces a No Hope and No Peace reaction in me.
Here is my analysis.
In the first place the Question is
"What's this THING in my body?" or
"What's this all about?" or
"What's going on here?"
The answer changes as each layer comes off, I hope for a last
answer, but so far haven't found one.
But more importantly, the QUESTION is more important than the
ANSWER, and perhaps that is the answer to "What is wrong with me?"
Answer: I am trying to find the answer to the question, rather
than as-is the question.
Most pcs can't imagine asking a question without trying to get
the answer. They can't see the EFFORT to ask the question, because
they are too busy straining to find the ANSWER.
It is quite an accomplishment to be able to finally ask a question,
without trying to get the answer at all. One does this to observe
the efforts involved in the question.
One way to practice this is to ask a question which you know
the answer to and see if you can ask it without having the answer
come forward, like "What is my name?"
Then one sees that the efforts to ask the question are more
damaging in terms of ridges and impacted masses, than not knowing the
answer is.
Answers cool out questions, because the pc stops asking the question,
not because the answer is right! Wrong answers can also cause more
questions which then leads to endless cave in.
This is possibly why the Zen Master give a Koan to their
preclears, it is an unanswerable question. The intent is to get the
pc asking questions that guarantee there is no answer to look at, so
that finally the pc looks as the process of asking itself without
answering and starts to blow charge.
Thus "What question are you asking" is itself a listing question
of sorts, although it has many answers, but I would think that the
handling would NOT be to then get the 'correct' answer to any of those
questions, but to run something that would run out the asking of all
those questions which the pc lists.
This takes an awful lot of confront of NOT KNOW, the pc has to be
willing to HAVE not knowing the answer to all these questions, but he
will cool out the restim on his masses significantly if he can do so.
Questions like Why am I here?, Who am I? What am I supposed to
be doing?, What's my purpose?, When did I come in?, How do I get out?
All the basic Who, How, What, Where and Why's that drive the pc mad
through the trillenia.
Adore would have you spot the question and then ask it WITHOUT
ANSWERING IT, until the charge is off.
"The caliber of the caliper of souls is
The Questions they have asked, and
The Answers they have rejected."
Ultimately native state has no answers, in this sense ALL
answers to questions are false and are out items.
Thus auditing the asking of questions, instead of the answering
of questions, might lead to more fruitful results and bypass the need
for all the 'powerful' complexity that makes others necessary in the
game of case gain.
Perhaps we could call this the OT Q&A rundown, as LRH said the
only aberration there is waiting for an answer. Adore says the only
aberration there is is LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER BY BEING AN EFFECT,
but its the same thing. This is because the true answer to the
question is the exact duplication of the question and its implied
not know, at which point the not know blows and the prior know
arises. This is not an effort thing to learn by looking, this is
at worst an effort thing to duplicate the not know on the prior know.
Alan's message comes across to me as people can not help
themselves until they have been helped by others at great expense.
Adore's message is you can help yourself if you would simply
observe yourself asking how.
The logic behind this is simple, when the unwanted condition was
originally created, there was no question going on in the background
asking "how do I get rid of this, where do I get help for this etc?
One gets rid of the condition by making it again, by exactly
duplicating the original efforts to create it, thus if you are asking
"What is this? How do I get rid of it? Who is going to help me?
When it is going to happen? Why am I suffering from it?" you aren't
duplicating the efforts at the moment of creation of the condition
because those questions were not going on at the time.
On the other hand, if there were questions going on at the time
of the original creation, and the efforts of those questions are still
being asked consciously or unconsciously in present time, then that
question asking alone will keep the incident in full bloom.
Adore says that questions stick us to incidents, nothing else.
Thus the way to run the incident is not to ask "How do I run
this incident?" but to run the question you were asking in the
incident!
Notice that the incident question is NOT "What question was I
asking in the incident?"
Asking "What question was I asking in the incident?" is
self auditing. This is the figure-figure LRH talked about.
Running the asking of the question in the incident, particularly
its efforts and ridges of failure, whether or not you know what that
question is, is solo auditing. This is in fact very effective effort
processing.
Adore says that this effort processing gets at the postulate in
the incident because ultimately all postulates relate to being unable to
know and answer the damn question!
Thus spotting the extant questions in present time, NOT TO ANSWER
THEM BUT TO COOL THE ASKING, will go a long ways to bringing the
original incident to the foreground and allow you to run the rest of it
out.
LRH says the pc is trying to solve problems in the present by
using efforts he used against problems in the past. If what Adore
says is true, the basic problem is an unanswerable question, thus the
efforts the pc is using to answer present time questions he knows he
is asking, will be the same efforts he used on the past track
questions in the incidents that are holding him down.
Since the past track efforts do not properly match his present
time questions, he will be both failing to answer his present time
questions AND restimulating his past track overwhelms.
Freedom from overwhelm is also freedom from overwhelm about
asking and answering questions.
This listing and running the present time questions, AS QUESTIONS
NOT AS ANSWERS, will lead to the past track incidents and questions wherein
the pc first got entangled in misduplication of the know - not know
cycle and learning by looking at effects in order to know about cause,
(violations of the proof).
Misconstruing a know - not know cycle as a not know - know cycle
is a serious alter-is and might be the genesis of seriousness. If so,
then it is the seed of the joke.
Adore goes so far as to DEFINE an incident as a run in with a
question. AS the alter-is of know - not know takes place, the question
(not know) becomes an effort to learn by looking with no responsibility
for the not know. Thus rather than duplicate the not know thus blowing it
off, the pc gets into learning by looking.
Thus every incident on the mental plane is a violation of the
know - not know sequence by trying to indulge in answering a question
which is a not know - know sequence, and on the spiritual plane its a
violation of total responsibility.
The point is that the not know itself is created with postulate
and effort, so the way to erase that and know again is to duplicate
the effort to not know and the postulate, NOT indulge in MORE effort
to learn by looking which is a violation of The Proof.
It is the effort to learn by looking, to learn by being an
effect, to learn about cause by looking at effects, that pulls in all
sorts of stuff that you have assigned as cause that might teach you
what it is you want to know.
Learning and Teaching are dicoms.
If a cause has no effects on you, there is no way to learn
anything about it as a cause , nor have it teach you anything about it
as a cause, because all learning and teaching about cause takes place
via the effects that the cause has on you.
Since you are now trying to learn about cause by looking at
effects of that cause, you must become the effect of those causes,
and so of course you get impinged upon all over the place.
This is justice working.
If you say "I must know about cause, the only way to know about
cause is to look at its effects on me" then you shouldn't complain
when you find yourself the effect of those causes, eh?
Saving knowledge (knowledge that saves) does not reside in any
created thing, as salvation is salvation FROM all created things.
Learning by looking is what LRH called ransacking facsimiles,
although that falls short of the scope of what we are talking about
here, as beings will ransack all of creation, every other cause he can
think of in fact, to find what they are looking for, which ain't out
there anyhow.
Adore says one can know anything by not knowing some more.
Asking questions is not the way to do that.
Alan's message has a very negative effect on me and is very
disheartening, because it appears to me he is trying to sell other
determinism as my salvation, namely him or any other good auditor,
with the implication that if only I had done it right by coming to him
in the first place before I struck out on my own, which I surely
should have known better than to do, I would be ok by now.
I don't think Alan is capable of duplicating how much this
stance grates on me.
It in fact violates every principle I stand by.
Remember it is not the message of help that grates on me,
it is the apparent message of *NEED* beyond my willingness to need,
help.
If instead of saying
"Homer come to me and we will list all those questions you have
been asking and find the correct answer to all them which you in your
grand role as Supreme Dodo were not able to do, and you will be all better."
he said,
"Homer shut the fuck up, get on a meter or whatever, and list
out all the questions you are asking, and run the asking of them
without any effort to actually find the answer until you hit a blow
out of peace."
I would have felt much better about it.
But what do I know. I am not an Emperor nor an Ambassador, just
a Joker in the King's Court.
Homer
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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(607) 277-0959 A Green Earth, and Peace, Internet, Ithaca NY
homer@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com
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