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PREPARING A PC FOR THE PROOF PHASE I

Grab a meatball and do the following experiment with him.

Get a video camera and hook it up in real time to a TV set, so that
what the video camera sees is displayed on the TV set. Put a video
recorder in line with the two, so that the recorder can record what the
video camera sees, and also play it back to the TV set at a later time
instead of a live feed.

Position the TV set so that when the pc is looking at the TV set,
he can not see the car, the video camera or the video recorder. Perhaps
put them all around a corner from the TV set. But make sure he sees the
full arrangement and understands the setup.

Point the video camera at a big red car on the road, turn on the
camera, and the recorder so it is recording, and the TV set. The TV set
is getting a live feed from the video camera at this point, but the
recorder is capturing it for play back at a later time.

Step I.

Take the pc to the TV set, and point to the image of the car on the
screen and ask

"What is that?"

If the pc says "That's a car" you flunk him and ask the question
again. Continue this until the pc gets the right answer.

The right answer is something on the order of "That is an image of
a car on a TV screen made of glass."

Get him to discuss what the car is made of, and what the image of
the car on the glass screen is made of.

Discuss why his first answer was wrong and the last one right,
until he 'gets it' completely and forever.

Step II.

Turn the TV set off while the pc is looking at it, so the screen is
blank and ask him, "Did the car disappear?"

If he says "Yes, the car disappeared" flunk him and ask the
question again until he gets it right.

The correct answer is "No, the image of the car on the TV screen
disappeared." Ask him if the car is still there. If he says yes it is,
ask him how he knows, since he can't see it, etc, and what his doubts
might be.

Step III.

Take the pc inside to relax for a moment, and go back outside
yourself, making sure the pc does not see what is going on.

Drive the car away, rewind the video recorder, and set it to play
back.

Go back in and grab the pc, take him out to the TV screen.

Again ask him "What is this?"

Presumably he will say "That is an image of a car on a TV screen."

Turn off the TV screen, ask him "Did the car disappear?"

Presumably he will say "No, the image of the car on the TV screen
disappeared, the car is still there."

Take him to where the car was and show him that the car is not
still there.

Discuss this with him in detail until he gets it forever that the
image of a car on the TV screen is a SYMBOL for the actual car on the
street which is the REFERENT, and that the existence of a symbol does
not prove the existence of the referent.

Get him to see that the SYMBOL on the TV screen is a casual EFFECT
of the car on the street which is a CAUSE. Light comes in from the sun,
is reflected by the car, which is where the car is CAUSE, hits the video
camera and is translated to the TV screen which is the EFFECT.

Get him to see that the existence of an effect does not prove the
existence of a cause. He will quickly see that the nature of the cause
can be in question, it will take him a bit more to see that the
EXISTENCE of cause is also in question. That is what you want,
existence of effect does not prove existence of cause.

Go over it with him until he gets it with absolute perfect
certainty and can give it back to you in his own words and own examples,
and can explain to you WHY effect does not prove cause so if you had
never been through this yourself, you would get it also.

You will know when he's 'got' it, as you will get it too, again.

Let it sink in for a while, then continue with the rest of this.

Step IV.

Take your pc to the car on the street and ask "What is this?"

If he says "That is a car" flunk him and ask him the question again
until he gets it right.

The correct answer is "That is an image of a car in my
consciousness."

Have him close his eyes, and ask him "Did the car disappear?"

Keep asking until he stops waffling about "well I can't see the car
any more", we want a yes or no answer, "Did the car disappear?" If he
says "Yes the car disappeared" flunk him until he gets it right.

The correct answer is "No the image of the car in my consciousness
disappeared."

(If he can't get the answer to the first or second question, have
him close his eyes and ask him "What disappeared?" until he says "the
image of the car in my consciousness disappeared.")

Acknowledge this, and with his eyes still closed, ask him if the
*CAR* also disappeared.

If he says "No the car is still there", ask him how he knows, what
his doubts are etc.

Remind him of the time he was looking at the TV screen when the
image of the car was on the screen and he said the car was still there,
but it was a recording and the car was gone.

Ask him to open his eyes and look at the image of the car in his
consciousness. Ask him "Is the car there?" If he says yes, ask him how
he knows, what his doubts are.

Do this with eyes open and closed, until the pc gets it forever
that he has no idea if there is a car there, all he knows is he sees the
image of the car in his consciousness.

Discuss this in detail with him. Get him to go over the material
on SYMBOLS and REFERENTS until he sees that the image of the car in his
consciousness is a symbol for the actual car which is the referent.

Go at this with him until he also sees that the symbol and the
referent are both actualities in their own right, and two very different
actualities to boot.

Get him to see that he thinks the purpose of his conscious pictures
(SYMBOL) is to track the REFERENT actuality which he can not actually
see but which he believes is there.

Then get him to see that all he can ever see is the SYMBOL, never
the alleged REFERENT. Go over with him how the existence of the symbol
never implies the existence of the referent with certainty, and
therefore he really has no idea at all if the REFERENT is out there at
all even though he sees the symbol with perfect clarity.

Discuss with him how this applies to dreams when he is asleep.

Get him to realize that when he is dreaming, he sees conscious
pictures which he takes to be symbols for external referents, and
believes the referents to be actual, but then he wakes up and finds that
the referents didn't exist at all, only the symbols.

Get him to compare the similarities and differences between
dreams asleep and the waking state of consciousness, until he
realizes that all he is certain of is the symbols in his conscious
pictures, and not the referents in either case.

This will make him ready for the next phase of The Proof.

Homer

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LEARNING AND UNLEARNING

Michael (mickel1234@blueyonder.co.uk) wrote:
>I can see that, so it is a process of extraction then? from all the things
>that got us into our present situations, as a person extracts themselves
>from all this stuff they become more aware of their Spiritual nature and do
>not rely on mind pictures anymore, or should I say are not controlled or at
>the effect of the mind.

On learns through life that being unable is good for one.

This needs to be unlearned at every point we learned it.

Every lock, secondary, engram is a moment of learning, postulates
made to commit to that learning, all of which needs to be unlearned.

The bank is held in place by dramatizing the learning we did
during the incidents that are in chronic restim. We call this being
in the winning valence (even if it is our own to gain sympathy), and
that 'learning' of how to win needs to be as-ised.

This has nothing to do with physical universe learning, which is an
intentional game of learning, this has to do with spiritual ability,
which comes as a total knowingness which doesn't have to be taught how
to operate properly.

The total knowingness knows very well how to operate and how to
screw itself to the nearest tree. Everything learned by the total
knowingness about how to operate is a nail in its cross.

So don't confuse the thetan and body, the thetan gets better by
unlearning, the body gets better by learning. Two different worlds, two
different games.

Homer

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IDEAL SCENES II

Ted said:
> I believe you are correct, it looks like a rough and lengthy process.
> Ted

Correct, it is the process of living.

None tougher or lengthier :)

We live in a highly unideal mess.

Beyond people dramatizing ideals out of their reactive bank, (Be
ideal or else!) which makes things worse, they have mostly given up or
outright turned against their's and other's true ideal scenes.

Some are even devoted to creating ideal anti scenes, criminals,
psychotics etc.

There is so much non ideal in the world, that it becomes an
overwhelming task to know where to begin.

Ultimate E/P (End Phenonmenon) would be a realization that even the
unidealness of things is part of an earlier ideal scene that we wanted
and have been quite successfull at creating during a time when we needed
problems and they were hard to keep around.

But its now time to turn it around.

In the practical matter of the now, survival involves sow and reap
cycles, and co operation with self, family, groups, mankind, life, MEST,
spirits and the rest. (MEST = created matter, energy, space and time).

Some don't even believe in spirits and the rest, so their dynamics
stop with MEST and mechanics.

"I am a brain!"

For them that was an ideal scene at one time!

But it has a kick back, and most meatballs are getting tired of it,
although many won't admit it yet.

Their problem is they they can't conceive of an ideal scene
involving spirits and God, all they ever been taught on the matter are
anti ideal scenes bad enough to drive anyone to seek the grave forever.

"God made you without your permission, droppped you into this
universe to test you, and if you aren't 'good enough' he will throw you
into hell forever as the screams of sinners are music to his ears."

The sounds of hell harmonize well with harp music.

Or "God loves free will more than you do, and so if you abuse your
free will, rather than chastise, discipline or restrain you, he will
allow you to continue to exercise your free will until NO one will ever
forgive you."

THEN He will toss you into Hell forever so everyone else can feel
some closure about having know you.

Thus people hide behind the apparent absence of evidence for the
existence of spirit (consciousness!), and scream "Prove it!" at every
opportunity hoping you can't.

You can hear them chanting their mantra in the background of their
lives all day long, 'consciousnessismeatconsciousnessismeat...'

Nut cases aside, each sow and reap cycle should produce or enhance
an ideal scene for yourself and for others.

For example Lightlink is an internet provider, our present
attention is on getting people on line with high speed in the boonies
where they have no other hope where, there is no cable or DSL or cell
phone internet.

Although it is an impossibly hard job, every time we succeed, we
increase the ideal scene of the person who gets high speed, as now they
can work better at home, and their kids can keep up with their city
counterparts in education.

We also increase the ideal scene of those that work for us by
providing a way to make a living for them, and we increase our own ideal
scence by generating income that allows us to survive into the future.

Thus as Lightlink, we major in 'creating and manifesting ideal
scenes for ourselves and for others.'

We provide a better living for everyone involved, not just
outselves, and perhaps that is the secret to survival.

The communion bit is the result of the co operation necessary to do
it. One does not increase ideal scenes alone or for oneself only, at
least not here.

If your pc is not increasing ideal scenes for others, he probably
isn't increasing any for himself either.

The greatest increase in any one's ideal scene *IS* the increase in
communion with others and the support structures that allow it to
continue for one and all.

I am not sure exactly what communion means, but it is being
'together' with others, and feeling from their position and pain, and
doing for them what they can not do for themselves.

Fair exchange balances the flow.

So during the running of the process, the preclear will go from
utterly mundane things like better jobs and getting laid, to improving
his concept of God and Creation. Along the way he will find his
overwhelms, his give ups, the 'no way can I do anything about this' and
acknowledge them all, but eventually find something he can improve.

Once he enhances that scene, other scene's open up to him.

It is really an attitude change, investing in ANY enhancement of an
ideal scene for self and for others, HAS to produce a positive return on
investment, it couldn't be any other way.

So top line in ideal sceneing is merely operating soveriengty, and
bottom line, its good business sense.

And all of life falls between the two.

Creation and trade.

"The purpose of creation is trade in expressions of discovery." -
Adore

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We have written that quality of product is guaranteed only
by competition. Without competition you get

1.) Shoddy products
2.) High prices
3.) No after market support
4.) No or negative warranties (you bring it back we won't sell to
you again.)

Only competition, the desire to take away market share from the other
producers, brings about better products, lower prices, more customer
support, and excellent no questions asked warranties.

Historically trade secrets have been an ace up the sleeve to help
people compete with each other. Someone gets an idea, and starts to
produce it, but doesn't want the others to know lest they up stage them,
and they hope to be better able to compete because they keep the
ingredients of their special sauce a secret.

This is the American Way, no one would think to do it any other way.

Coke, McDonald's, you name it, all have their secret ingredients that
prevent others from making the same or even a better product.

So what's going to happen in the group mind when there are no more
secrets? Will competition amongst members go away, will the group mind
rot, go complacent, take up Hubbardian Orthodoxy? Will group minds remain
in competition with other group minds to guarantee their own survival thus
guaranteeing separation also?

In a group mind, someone makes something, and bang everyone has
it, they not only have the product they have the method to make the
product, so now everyone can potentially make it. So where is there
room for competition?

Well others can now stand on the work already done and add to it of
course and enhance it in a never ending game of leapfrog, seeing who can
out class who.

But they will have to do it without secrets. Fame and proper
attribution and an affluent life consisting of the best of the best will
of course be the results of everyone's hard work. That isn't so bad is
it?

Homer

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THE CYCLE OF A THETAN

The cycle of a thetan goes like this.

1.) A CHASE B

He creates a universe with postulate A that contains conditions and
limitations on chasing B. B may or may not be well defined, and may
validly change over time, but the REASON WHY he creates A is IN ORDER TO
CHASE B, there would be no other reason to have A.

In fact without the chase, he wouldn't be able to keep A around for
long.

Oh no, its not true that this universe is here for no reason, and
the being just came along to meddle in it.

This universe exists explicitly so he can stub his toe chasing his
girl up Mount Everest.

A game with some aesthetics to it, win or lose.

Passion, talent and honed skill.

This isn't about winning, this is about playing.

A GodSoul that only plays games that he thinks he will win is a
spaghetti noodle indeed.

So the passion has to be in the playing, not the winning. Once the
passion moves over to winning, he's gone, as he will bypass playing to
win directly via corruption, temptation and seduction.

Cheating, deceit and treason.

Run,

The beauty of winning.

The beauty of losing.

The beauty of having at least tried.

2.) POSTULATE AND QUESTION

As a natural matter of course in universe A, a universe of
conditions and limitations and RANDOMITY, the being will encounter a
postulate of failure.

The failure IS the postulate.

At this point he chooses to ask 2 questions:

a.) Why did this happen?

b.) What should I DO about it?

These take him further away in time from the postulate of failure,
and thus more into the solidity of that postulate.

3.) ANDS

Since he is now seeking a wrong answer to those questions, as ANY
answer is a wrong answer, he feels miserable, desperately seeking an
answer he is terrified of finding out.

This creates his first AND:

To NOT KNOW and TO KNOW at the same time.

He is reaching for the truth with all his might, and daring not to
find it.

AUDITING

The correct way to deal with the postulate of failure is NOT to
move forward in time and ask questions about what MORE he can create or
do to fix or rememdy the failure.

The correct way to deal with the postulate of failure is to be in
the postulate of failure until it vanishes on its own accord.

God's can do that.

After a life time of asking questions however, one needs to run out
the question asking first.

One runs out a question by asking the question with no intent to
answer it.

Its like a door that is stuck closed because it needs to be pushed
closed again to open it.

The door has been slammed shut, and now he is trying with all his
effort to pull it open.

That's like trying to answer a question.

No, we want him to simply put his hand on the door, and pull gently
noticing with complete calm that it won't open, then push calmly to
close it again, until it opens.

That's like asking the question without trying to answer it.

It's the choice to NOT KNOW the answer that then springs the answer
into view.

The effort to ask a question, and the effort to answer it are two
completely different efforts.

One is a simple communication, the second is a hurried search for,
looking for, trying to find, seeking etc, which is pulling desperately
on a door to open it, when it only needs to be pushed closed again
lightly to obtain the result.

Pushing the door closed is not knowing the answer to the question.

The effort to ask a question is a SUCCESS.

The effort to answer the quesiton is a FAILURE.

THE SIZE OF THE BEING.

Beings like to consider themselves somehow fundamentally smaller
than the universe A that they find themselves in.

This protects them from waking up and having A vanish.

But the purpose of creating A is to chase B, and so one might
expect that the power invested in not having and chasing B is the same
order of magnitude as the power invested in creating A in the first
place.

Thus the being when he tries to self audit, 'seeking' his basic
goals, still considers himself and his goals smaller than the universe
or his presence in it.

Thus he misses his goals and the true enormity of power with which
he flowed himself into engagement with universe A, and thus he goes
reeling off into the end of time where a garbage pail awaits him.

Thus successful auditing recognizes that A and B are of comparable
magnitude.

How big is the universe you are in?

Just so, then, are your goals, your desire to chase them, and the
things that oppose them.

Hubbard used to call B GPMS.

GPMS are not IN the universe, the universe is apparently made of
them.

BIG AND SMALL

The being considers that the universe A is big, and he is small.

This is a necesssary deceit at some point to keep some game or
another going.

He likes being small facing some unconceivable (big) odds.

What's the glory in it otherwise?

But to a being who can create in the mere conception of things, if
it is unconceivable, then it is uncreatable, and if it is uncreatable it
is unvanishable, so he gets stuck with unconceivable odds, because he
can't or won't conceive them.

Glory is minimal payment for losing that game.

So now he is in a dwindling spiral of getting smaller in a universe
that is getting bigger, and believe me universe A consists of a lot more
than just the physical universe that the men in white lab coats harp
about all the time.

One way to run this is:

How big a goal can you conceive?

How big an opposition can you conceive?

How small a goal can you conceive?

How small an opposition can you conceive?

OR:

Spot a big goal.

Spot a big opposition.

Spot a small goal.

Spot a small opposition.

Find failure postulates, questions, wrong answer seeking, and ands.

Spot the garbage pail awaiting him at the end of time, head down,
if he continues with this nonsense.

Spot the few pennies of glory he was paid for playing, in his
pocket.

NO garbage pail.
SOME garbage pail.

NO glory.
SOME glory.

Use NO and SOME as needed, it won't run on just SOME, most of our
history is in NO or REFUSED.

When it goes SOME for real, you will know it!

TNT, TOTALLY NONEVALUATIVE TECHNOLOGY

It is well known that the auditor should not evaluate for the
preclear about his case in session.

To evaluate means to determine the truth or importance value of an
idea, event, or something that is real to the preclear.

However the preclear is never allowed to C/S himself, to determine
his own auditing program, although it can be pretty much the same for
everyone most of the time.

So SOMEONE has to evaluate for the preclear where he is on the
bridge and what his session program in general ought to be.

There are common GENERAL things that need to be handled in every
preclear, but the handling of them will involve SPECIFIC occurances of
them that only the preclear will know.

The general things are A chase B, pre postulates, self answering
questions seeking wrong answers, and NO, SOME and ANDS.

The preclear expects the auditor to know the general items and
demands that the auditor evaluate properly what to audit and how to
audit them.

However the preclear expects the auditor to NOT KNOW the specific
occurances, and thus the auditor must never pretend that he does or try
to guess and indicate.

HOW TO AUDIT

In order to audit properly, one must never ask questions the
preclear can not answer, and one must never do something that indicates
that something is true when it isn't.

Thus "Has a withhold been missed?" can be problematic, remember the
bank is MADE of questions involving death and demise, and every question
the preclear asks of himself or is asked, restimulates his entire bank
in one swoop.

You want to make the volcano shudder?

Ask it a question.

Thus canonical form should be something like tell me about, or
spot, or best of all get the idea of.

For example do not run,

Locate a time someone caused you to be angry.

Run instead,

Spot a time someone caused you to be angry.

Spot NO ANGER - Spot SOME ANGER.

But best of all is probably simply:

Get the idea of someone causing you to be angry.

Get the idea of not being angry.

A being gets as he conceives, and conception is simply getting the
idea of something and thus having it.

Thus we want to run the preclear as close to creative conception
and unconception as possible.

Get the idea of being sad.

Unget the idea of being sad.

Strange English but remarkable results.

Get the idea of asking a question.

Get the idea of NOT asking a question.

Get the idea of NO answer.

Get the idea of SOME answer.

Get the idea that getting the idea of something creates it in the
conception of it.

Unget the idea that getting the idea of something creates it in the
conception of it.

Get the idea that ungetting an idea uncreates it.

Unget the idea that ungetting an idea uncreates it.

Wham, native state. See?

BASIC ANDS

Ands form the basic structure of the bank and the series of masses
the preclear considers to be himself, and which he is in self opposition
with and to.

He WANTS something *AND* he doesn't WANT it at the same time.

Nuts?

Yes.

An indecision is an OR, a waffling between should I go left or
right with engines at idle.

An AND is a DECISION to go BOTH left and right at the same time
with engines at full roar.

An AND has so much power in it, that when the being is doing it, he
feels there is nothing there but frustration.

He doesn't even have the power left to create the frustration!

Mostly he feels like dying 'for no reason'.

Basic ands then have to do with BE DO and HAVE.

BE AND NOT BE at the same time.

DO AND NOT DO at the same time.

HAVE AND NOT HAVE at the same time.

KNOW AND NOT KNOW at the same time.

Then there are basic body ANDS in the sex, death and eating range
on the know to mystery scale.

TO FRACK AND NOT TO FRACK at the same time.

TO DIE AND NOT DIE at the same time.

TO LIVE AND NOT LIVE at the same time.

TO DIE AND TO LIVE at the same time.

TO EAT AND NOT EAT AT THE SAME TIME.

The entire know to mystery scale is there.

TO THINK AND NOT THINK at the same time.

TO EFFORT AND NOT EFFORT at the same time.

You will find your preclear asking where his ability to create
force and effort went.

Its tied up in to create effort and not to create effort at the
same time.

TO FEEL AND NOT FEEL at the same time.

TO LOVE AND HATE at the same time.

TO FEEL NO SYMPATHY FOR AND SYMPATHY FOR at the same time.

TO REMEMBER AND TO FORGET at the same time.

TO GO AND NOT GO at the same time.

Any dicom can and has been turned into an AND by someone in their
effort to persist through time, in other words to live forever until
dead.

Ands are endless and rich, they make up the fabric of the being's
insane involvement in the physical universe.

"I don't want to live forever AND I don't want to die forever."

No ands, no nut cases.

How happy can a guy be who is trying to be both happy and sad at
the same time?

How sad can a guy be who is tring to be both sad and happy at the
same time?

Wanna be happy, be happy.

Wanna be sad, be sad.

The dicom is wide and oceanic at both ends.

Absence of feeling is not neither happy nor sad, it is BOTH happy
and sad, too much of both at the same time makes nothing there.

Take all the incidents on your track and stir them up into one even
mix, what color would it be?

Close your eyes, what do you see? Do you understand?

The most divine shining white AND flourescent black at the same
time, make dismal eternal grey.

Homer

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HOMER'S HUBRIS

> You're missing the point Jane. I was using Homer's dictums as an
> example of his contempt for those whose views differ from his own.

Yes and no.

MY contempt is a reflection of the contempt meatballs have about
dreamballs.

I used to be a meatball, 100 percent all the way, but then I had a
few epiphanies which I found out that others, even my friends, didn't
want to hear about.

They told me to stop talking about them.

In a forum dedicated to the subject of God, we are beyond wondering
if there is a God and whether we all are God in carnation, so people who
are still in doubt are not really welcome except to be quiet and listen
and perhaps ask an intelligent question once in a while, not tell us we
belong in straight jackets or should go see a shrink.

That's noise.

I used the scientific forum standard for kicking people off of
Clear-l. Formal forums have certain rules of presentation and approach,
and heckling and disturbance and off subject talk is not part of it.

It's a matter of attitude, we don't care if someone BELIEVES
anything or not, only that they WANT to understand what is being said
and be willing to look at the evidence for or against it in their own
lives.

The contempt is always started by others, to whom I retort simply
that their mother's bred without a license. That's a safe thing to say
because its generally true for everybody.

If someone wants to present a white paper on why clearing does not
work, or why meatballism is certainly correct, that is fine, it might
even get read and critted. I my self have presented over 870 white
papers to a.c.t on why a lot of clearing did not and never will work,
but also giving an underlying theory that might lead to better
workability.

My goal is not to debunk but to correct.

From my experience clearing is undebunkable in general, except when
maybe you get into specific case things like Xenu and rest.

In all my years of managing clear-l, I have only kicked two people
off it, one a guy named David, who wasn't even certain anything existed
at all, and KP who was a hallucinating obnoxious piece of shit that just
didn't get what a two way forum was for, namely not calling people names
who didn't agree with his every last word.

I also took a vote on KP and a clear majority wanted him out of
their e-mail.

Clear-l is a mailing list for professional clearing people, not
hyenas and jackals who want to make noise, who don't know anything about
the subject, and just want to annoy or heckle.

*SOME* meatballs can SOMETIMES hold a decent conversation, but most
are a waste of time by experience. They don't HAVE any ideas except
that we are all insane etc.

Since at the time clear-l was populated by people across the globe
with slow connections, 1991, the rules were set up to keep the noise out
of the forum for their sake. Those that wanted the noise were always
free to get it on a.r.s. or a.c.t directly.

A.r.s at the time was a cesspool of lying venom, which is why I
created a.c.t, but then the venom started to come over there too.

> I have no interest in lists or pompous rules. Nor do I bow to the
> cultish mindset where agreement with the messiah is mandatory.

No but you insist that everyone agree with the Great God Meatball.

Very very few people even understand what I am writing, let alone
agree with it.

I do not seek agreement, I seek only accurate UNDERSTANDING of the
differences.

I seek to open people's minds to a new way of looking at stuff.

Even my own views progress over time, and sometimes I have to
correct my own postings written long ago, based on new data that I have
gained.

Your criticisms are with out basis based on your own
hallucinations, and need to fight the Dogmatic Messiah.

Reasonable people who actually have something to say, and are
interested if I might be right never have any trouble with dealing with
me.

For example, those who haven't spent at least a few hundred hours
on an e-meter, really have very little to say about it of worth, no
matter HOW 'scientific' they are.

If they haven't looked, then they do not know.

Same thing goes for auditing, if you have tried a few hundred
hours, and it did nothing, then fine, bitch all you want, that's what I
am doing.

Except that I went in and fixed the damn problem.

Most of the noise makers just like to natter.

And again, NO ONE can tell me The Proof in their own words, in such
a way that I know they got it.

Yet the proof is simple information theory.

So its really a matter of "I am not going to look in the telescope,
because I already know Jupiter has no moons."

Or,

"I am perfectly certain perfect certainty can not exist."

Or,

"I am perfectly certain the physical universe is actual and not a
virtual reality hologram in scalar actuality."

Or,

"I know for a fact bud that consciousness is a process in the
brain, and when the brain dies, my consciousness will die with it."

Nope sorry, nothing born of matter, energy, space or time can be
perfectly certain of anything.

Consciousness can be.

Thus consciousness is not a process in any multi dimensional space
time gizmo of any kind.

The guy who thinks he is mortal because he is made of meat, has
been fooled, he's been the biggest fool for so long he can't count that
high, he's the Fool ON the Hill of the Physical Universe!

Learn the proof, its pure meatball science until the last line,
then we have a bridge in which to talk about the meatball/dreamball
dichotomy.

Don't be a flat earther and refuse to look.

And if you are a Christian, well then fuck your bigotry, to hell
with you forever for free.

The good Lord reserves a *SPECIAL* place in hell for Christians.

But not forever. Even Christians get to heaven one day with the
rest of decent folk, you can know them by their tan, before we all decide
to incarnate again and play a real game.

Homer

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DEFINITION OF THING AND NO THING

acw --- wis......@cyber (wisdom@cyberstation.net) wrote:
>Class is a formless unsubstantial substance.
>It is a no thing.

You have a different definition of 'thing' than I do.

My definitions:

A thing is anything that has qualities.

A no thing is anything that is qualityless.

You also have 'substance' defined to mean multidimensional,
leaving out the possibility of dimensionless substance.

The AllThatIs is quite substatial, even though all of its
apparent dimensional qualities are illusions of no actual substance.

When we watch a movie of a car chase, the apparent substance
is metal and pavement. The actual substance is none of that, but
is silver screen and light projector with film running through it.

What is real to the movie goer and what is actual are two
different things.

Dreams are as valuable as the dreamer thinks what is real is actual.

Defining substance to refer only to illusions of dimensionality,
leads to great confusion, as people come to think of themselves as
nothing and the dream as everything. There are implants a plenty to
follow that path.

"You are nothing, everything you see is something!"
"You do not exist, everything you see is all that exists!"
"Spirit is not real, only matter, energy, space and time are real!"

The truth is the exact opposite, you are the only something there
is, and all the stuff you see out there is nothing, pretty lights
glowing in the substance of yourself.

The external world is a glow in the dark tatoo on your spirit.

People are free to define words however they please, and
communication can take place, but if in the process of defining a word
one defines out of existence one of that word's possible referents,
and magnifies the importance of many of its less significant
referents, one does a disservice to the world at large, because now
they have no way of talking about what is actual.

For example if what is actual is that which is dimensional, then
there are no words for talking about that which is not dimensional.

Calling non dimensional things, no things, leads to
contradictions in communications and eventually Godel Jails, where in
one has engaged in one too many philosophical black holes due to word
matrix mis definitions.

That said, your description of Class as dimensionaless is
correct.

Calling it a nothing however will run you into regretable trouble
down the road. Might as well call a thetan a nothing and the
AllThatIs a nothing.

The correct way to descriminate between 'physical somethings' and
'spiritual somethings' is to use 'multi dimensional' and 'non
dimensional', dimensionality is there first and most primary
difference.

And no, infinite dimensionality is not the same thing as zero
dimensionality. Infinite dimensionality is just more illusion like 3 or
4 dimensionality.

I would recommend using 'something' to refer to those things
which are, and leave 'nothing' to refer to those things which aren't,
true nothings such as Roland's intelligence.

Homer

acw --- wis......@cyber (wisdom@cyberstation.net) wrote:
>Class is a formless unsubstantial substance.

>It is a no thing.

>A.


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THE NATURE OF GOD

People have God pictured wrong.

People see space and time, therefore they believe there IS space
and time.

If you were to remove all of space and time, you would have removed
no part of God because there is no space and time to remove.

People think God is over there at point A, and created the world
over here at point B and then created all these souls over there at
point C, and stuck them all in the world at point B.

Thus we often look up into the sky to see God.

Over there somewhere.

Some of us are taught that God is every where, but still we believe
that God overlays the world and its souls, but remains fundamentally
different from that world and its souls.

All these views posit the error of separation. They imply that God
exists, and then he CREATES something that is not God, be it space/time,
worlds, or souls.

This also violates the fundmanetal philosophical principle that
something can not come from nothing.

Some will say that God didn't create the world or souls from
nothing but from parts of himself.

Like you have a big bucket of sand, which is God, and you take a
hand full of sand out of the big bucket and pour it into a small bucket
next to it, and that's a soul.

Or the soul is like a drop of water separated out from the cosmic
ocean of God and once returned becomes one with God again.

God is not pointilistic, nor divisible, nor made of separable parts
with something else between them, there is no space or time in God in
which to be divisible.

Thus God can not even take a part of himself and separate it off
and create something else from it.

Uh oh, so what then?

What we come down to here is since God is not divisible, and God
can not create something from nothing, basically God can not create
anything all.

Thus in some sense whatever exists now, must have always existed.

What God can do however is change Himself.

Take a simple black and white LCD screen (Liquid Crystal Display).

It is a square surface made of millions of little crystals.

When the crystals are oriented one way, they are transparent, they
allow light to pass through unemcumbered, so visually there is 'nothing
there', the screen is blank.

When the crystals are oriented another way, they absorb incoming
light, creating a black spot, now there is 'something there'.

The crystal's orientation is changed by electric voltages applied
to each point on the surface of the LCD screen. Where there is no
voltage, the crystals lay at peace, native state, and light is passed
through unemcumbered. There is nothing there. This is untainted
beingness, the void, simple IS.

When voltage is applied to a spot on the LCD screen, the crystals
reorient to non native state, and light is blocked, now something is
displayed. This is becomingness, change, motion, space/time etc, the
WHAT IT IS.

If the position of the voltage is changed across the screen, the
position that is black on the screen will also move to track the
voltage. But nothing actual is moving, only the position of projection
is changing.

The reality is that something actual is moving.

The actuality is that nothing is moving, except the projected
position of reality.

Reality is what we think is true.

Actuality is what is true.

God is a color LCD screen which when 'lit' can display
multidimensional space/times and color forms.

When a section of God is in native state, it displays nothing.

When a section of God is not in native state, it displays a
space/time color form.

THere are a couple of differences between the nature of God and a
physical LCD screen.

First there is no external light to light the screen when it
displays. The display is our conscious experience and is self luminous.

That's a big deal but we are not going to go into it here.

In a dream the sun does not light the grass, both sun and grass
light themselves, just so in the waking dream of every day life.

The AllThatIs glows in the dark!

Including the sun itself, its just another glow in the dark object
pretending to light other things.

Second, an earthly LCD screen has dimensions because it is a
physical object but the display screen called God doesn't have any
dimensions at all.

God is scalar and is the All That Is.

God is however capable of displaying illusions of multi dimensional
color forms of space/time within HIMSELF, within His own substrate.

The objects are not illusions but their dimensionality is.

One can ask how can something that doesn't itself have dimension
display images of dimension, and how can an image of dimension not
itself have dimension?

The answer can not be written, only experienced.

But such a thing is called a SCALAR meaning zero dimensions.

God is not a point, a point is a dimensional object with small or
zero extensions in each dimension.

The whole concept of dimension including big and small, doesn't
apply to God at all, only to images of illusory dimension displayed in
the fabric of God.

God is also a multi I-AM being.

There is no senior I-AM being that then creates all the others,
each arises of its own sovereingty, in its own time, independently out
of the fabric of God.

Each I-AM doesn't separate out from God, it merely turns on
and displays itself.

Displays of self conscious and self luminous space/time color forms
also arise out of their own sovereignty and independently out of the
same fabric.

God is infinitely alive with I-AM beings waking and snoozing, and
displays coming and going.

When one of these I-AM beings sees a space/time display that it
likes it can then in pretense to itself BECOME an item in the display
thus hiding from itself the true relationships between the I-AM being
and the space/time displays twinkling in the substrate of God.

The I-AM being now thinks it is a chunk of space/time color form
called a body say.

The purpose of joining a display is to engage in fun, thrill and
fear which is not actual, to engage in "apparencies are actuality".

The apparency of course are space/time displays of dimensional
parts and pieces, that can be put together and busted apart.

Danger arises from becoming a piece that can be busted apart.

The being thinks the danger is real while engaged in the display,
but finds out in the end it never was, that it was just a display.

This is the joke, the purpose is resolving fear into humor, and the
return of peace.

You will be so happy to get home again, you will be glad you left.

In mortal dreamtime, one cries oneself to sleep.

In native state, one laughs oneself to sleep.

Homer

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THE PROOF FOR THIRD GRADERS

04/28/17 Friday 4:35pm EST


If you can SEE something,

AND it looks like it is OUT THERE,

then

it can't be OUT THERE.

because

if it *WERE* OUT THERE,

then

you wouldn't be able to SEE it.


This involves three concepts.

IS - means to BE or to EXIST.

TO SEE - means to see or experience conscious renditions of, color,
sounds, feelings etc.

OUT THERE - means not here now, in either space or time.


These three concepts then form a triangle called The Proof.

IS
/ \
/ \
/ \
/ THE \
/ PROOF \
/ \
/ \
----------------
TO SEE OUT THERE


The proof says take two, only two can be true at the same time.

If it IS and you SEE it, then it is not OUT THERE.

If it IS and it is OUT THERE, then you can not SEE it.

If you SEE it and it is OUT THERE, then it ISN'T. :)


Notice the above implies the following.

Time and space are symetrical with regards to SEEING.

You can not see across a distance in either space or time.

Just as you can only see conscious renditions in the now,
you can only see conscious renditions in the here.

Thus consciousness is scalar.

Scalar means that consciousness has no extension in
any dimension, it has no dimensions to have extensions in.

Thus scalar means having zero dimensions, and not limited by the
idea of size which is made of extensions in at least one dimension.

Homer

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REMOTE VIEWING

Slarty <thaddeus.slamp@gmail.com> wrote:
> The united states millitary would not have continued the remote
> viewing program for around a decade or longer if it didn't work. I
> say this because I've no intention of talking to dogmatic materialists
> @ this ng.

Well the problem with materialists is they think the 3 or 4 or 11
dimensional physical universe is actual rather than a virtual projection
in a 0 dimensional consciousness.

They believe that consciousness is a process in something that the
consciousness perceives, namely its brain.

That's like thinking a TV set works because of something seen in
the TV show.

In an actual physical universe that could be true if the video
camera were pointed at the TV set's circuit boards, but the point
remains, in general, what is seen IN the TV set picture is not the cause
of the picture.

If you are asleep at night, and you look in the mirror and cut the
top of your dream head off and see your brain, is that brain cause of
anything? No, its a virtual projection.

Same with the waking state, it is just another hallucination.

When you wake up out of a sleep dream, you come back to this world.

When you wake up out of this world, you come back to the next
higher world.

Keep waking up, dream level after dream level, and you come to the
top which is the Big Snooze, no dream at all.

Totally awake means totally sleep.

Everything lower than that is dream state.

It is cute that materialists call the dream state awake.

So people who have faith in the existence of space and time because
they see space and time, and who believe their seeing of space and time
is the result of a process IN space and time (brain), will never be able
to deal with OT powers which are impossible in that model.

The real demand for proof then is demand for proof that the world
is a dream in God's mind, me and thee.

But then we just demand back that they prove that there IS actual
space and time that is NOT just a hallucination in the mind of God.

They claim that the extraordinary claim bears the burden of proof,
well that's like saying that the claim the world is round bears the
burden of proof because everyone else thinks it is flat.

Anyhow it is easy to prove that one CAN NOT prove that the physical
universe exists at all, since all we have contact with is our
consciousness of it. Looking at B can never prove the existence of A no
matter how allegedly causally connected they are.

Occam's sharpening strap says never to assert anything you can
prove you can never prove exists, so from there we work with the idea
that the external world is not in fact actual or external, but only a
dream of externality in a non dimensional consciousness, and see what
follows from that.

Occam's razor itself says never add factors unnecessarily, well we
KNOW consciousness exists, then we go and assert out of whole cloth and
for no reason at all that the stuff we see in consciousness,
representations of space and time and matter and energy also exists,
thus adding 4 other factors.

In other words because the represenation exists, we assert the
represented exists too.

We KNOW cosnciousness exists, and we KNOW that we CAN NEVER KNOW if
the physical universe exists because all we can see is our conscious
representation of it.

So why bother with the physical universe except to play its virtual
games of survive and succumb?

Most people think that when they are dreaming, the dream is actual
but then they wake up. Same for the waking state, it creates a strong
illusion of an external objective actuality that exists independent of
our consciousness of it, but in fact there is no way to prove it is
there.

The materialists have faith that consciousness exists inside the
external universe, but the other idea is that the virtual universe
exists inside of consciousness.

THEY DON'T GET THAT, so talking to them is a waste of time until
that point is gotten across.

*IF* the world is a dream, *THEN* OT powers are obvious.

*IF* the world is a dream, how then might we have lost those
powers, and how then might we reattain them?

You figure out some theory or another on the matter of loss and
regain, design an approach to recovery, and then try out your
experiments and see if they work.

(Part of designing an approach to recovery is a security protocol,
you don't want people messing with the game if they succeed).

A positive result acts as evidence that the world might be a dream,
and a negative result means back to the old drawing board until you get
it right or give up and become a meatball.

If you can see the number on the 3x5 card taped to the back of your
head when you exteriorize during session, materialists are going to have
a fit, because EVERYTHING they think is wrong.

I mean talk about chagrin.

They have had their nose in a dream for a trillion years thinking
it was actual.

Remind me, how exactly dumb can you get?

They weren't wrong actually, but only virtual. Science works well
in the virtual universe using dream tools to measure dream events, but
at some point they have to start studying the DREAM PROJECTOR and how it
works, and that is a whole new ball game.

You can't measure the source of the dream using dream tools, dream
meters etc.

The perfect certainty that consciousness has of itself is not
possible in a multidimensional space and time, and so that perfect
certainty of self existence is very good evidence that space and time
might not exist at all.

How are you going to interface a zero dimensional consciousness
with a 3 or more dimensional space time?

A little thought will show you that a 0 dimensional to 3
dimensional interface coupler is unlikely.

We KNOW the dream exists.

Why postulate further except as a virtual reality?

THE PROOF
See http://www.lightlink.com/theproof

Homer

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VOLUNTARY OR INVOLUNTARY

ACW (wisdom@cyberstation.net) wrote:
>Pretty sweeping fixed motivation to lay on everyone!

We are all here for the same reason.

>What if it was an involuntary came INTO, or whatever?

Well it would have had to be involuntary, in the sense that the
being didn't FIRST have the thought to come in, because in having the
thought he would be in.

The native state being obtains in the very conception of having.

However the being does have an internal knowingness, a built in
set of abilities. It knows how to drive without really knowing
anything ABOUT how to drive.

It couldn't tell you how to drive, but it sure can drive.

Thus it knows how to come in, and it knows how to get out.

And during its coming in phase, it has the option at every step
of the way to NOT engage in the mechanisms which guarantee
continuance.

There is an aesthetic that goes with the shattering, so the being
has a 'lets see where this goes' kind of attitude, approval and
sanction are on, no matter how much it is screaming bloody murder.

Even while the being is pretending outrage and engaging in the
mechanisms of continuance, it knows it is doing this.

Just enough knowing to maintain its responsibility in the matter,
but not enough to stop the process of coming in.

The being has an innate sense of confidence in itself and the
AllThatIs. It knows it can't get into THAT much trouble, because it
knows what its fundamental abilities are and the limits of what
they can do.

"Confidence is confiding to yourself that you did this thing to
yourself." - Adore

The being can make itself ignorant of the mechanisms of
continuance, but even that decision has a moment of choice wherein the
being knows it is entering an area of no return for a while, and
appreciates the aesthetics, in particular the aesthetics of HUMOR.

The being sees the aesthetics of getting lost for a while,
in an AllThatIs that HAS no space or time to get lost in.

There is a premonition of the joke, a promise of the humor and
relief at the end.

This aesthetic of getting lost is the carrier wave of
manifestation, as everything rides on it underneath the surface
protest.

Even the surface protest is fair chosen via the same appreciation
and carrier wave as the being knows the protest is necessary to
guarantee continuance.

"High Thrill is always the effort to get lost.

High Romance is always the effort to get home.

High Halcyon is bemused relief on the verge..." - Adore

The being is not fundamentally victim, even to itself.

Contacting these aesthetics and moments of willing unwillingness,
go a long ways to freeing the being to be willing to have it happen
again, at which point it won't until he should so choose again to
shatter and pretend to be done for once again.

VGI's = laughter, humor, appreciation and willingness to view
more.

There is no difference among people in these matters.

You wouldn't WANT it any other way.

Those that claim to be different have misconstrued the JOKE.

But that too, althrough wrong, is fair chosen and must be granted
beingness by those who get the joke.

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CAUSE AND NO CAUSE II

See:

CAUSE AND NO CAUSE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore950.memo
CAUSE AND NO CAUSE II
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore952.memo
CAUSE AND NO CAUSE III
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore953.memo


Your preclear wants to understand.

Understandings are usually about relationships, between people,
places and things, specifically relationships involving cause.

He is trying to understand cause.

He is stuck in a wonder cycle about cause.

He wants to know the nature of cause, for example the nature of its
motivations and appreciations.

What exactly does cosmic conscious cause admire?

Or seek for itself?

He also wants to know the cause of the nature of cause, for example
whether that nature can be changed, and by what cause and by how much.

I mean the most dangerous thing in the world is a God going around
causing things, eh?

The apparent abyss of nature between God and Soul, Creator and
Creature, Author and Character is wide.

It is in fact functionally wide because it is that very abyss that
keeps the world of space and time going because of total non
understanding of the prime motivation for it all, and the fundamental
mechanisms of persistence of this rift and everything in the rift.

The Creator become Creature now doubts the Creator.

This is the biggest Doubt Formula you will ever do.

See the Scientology Book of Ethics.

He pretends to understand that the Creator could, would and
should create the Soul, but to what end he dares not know.

He figures that maybe one day the Soul may appreciate the end
result of his creation, but he wonders about the getting there.

What he wonders is, if the Soul would create the Creator?

What he finds out is he CAN'T understand the Creator and why it
created what it did, until he becomes that Creator and sees for himself
why and how he created it all for himself, with help from his friends.

Only the being in the Creator state can understand why it Created
itself into the Creator state.

Only God can understand God.

Since the proof teaches that learning with certainty
across a distance is impossible, only God can know God.

At thing can only know itself with perfect certainty.

That's a big statement, dig it and don't leave it.

So the being in the Soul side creature state is damned to forever
wondering and worrying about what he had in mind as the God side
Creator state.

And as the understanding on the part of the God side Creator leads
to willingness and ability to do it again with High Appreciation for
Ludicrous Demise, the Soul side Creature is terrified of finding out
that understanding and being able to work with it again as the God Side
Creator.

As the Creature can become the Creator at will by being willing to
become the Creature, this makes present time a holocaust of turmoil on
the subject of actually getting 'better'.

Present time becomes a permanently operating AND in the being.

"I don't want to be the Creator AND I do want to be the Creator.

"I don't want to be the CREATURE and I don't want to be the
CREATOR!"

Lord save him.

Maybe he wants to be the Creator to save himself from being the
Creature, don't you see?

The bones of Creatures sink to the bottom of the sea.

Who needs that?

So the being has a problem, to be either the Creator who is too
dangerous to contemplate in its fascination with becoming the Creature,
or to be the Creature who is safe for a while because of his limited
ability to make himself worse for real.

The peace that passeth all understanding can only be understood by
the being that creates it and puts it there, at which point he
understands it because he IS it.

But the being who can put peace there forever for free, can also
put anti peace there for a while.

The Creator can wield sword of ExCalibur.

"Excalibur is the two edged sword of ExCaliber and ExCaliper.

Caliber means worth.

Ex Caliber means with out worth.

Caliper means measure.

Ex Caliper means (worth) without measure.

A wizard is anyone who is a WIZ with the sword.

The Sword is stuck in the star rock of your mind by your own
present time operational wizardry.

A King is anyone who can free and wield the sword of Excalibur for
themselves and for others.

King Arthur was able to pull the sword out of the rock because he
was willing to put the sword back in, so that OTHERS might try.

The others were not so willing to put it back in so others could
try, they wanted to sword for themselves, so they couldn't pull the
sword out at all.

Willingness to come in, leads to ability to get out, because you
have to be out in order to come in.

Thus practice coming in, puts you out.

Thus willingness and practice becoming the creature, leads to BEING
the God side again, even if only for a split second to rearrange your
creatureness again, make things better if they are bad, or worse if they
are too good.

Its not about seeking or finding God, or BECOMING God, because you
already ARE the God you seek in carnation in dreamtime.

It's about willingness to OPERATE that God hood quiescing in
yourself by taking full responsibility for becoming the Creature, yes
that same Creature who is TERRIFIED of its Creator, and willing to adjust
your own created nature if you don't like it as it is.

Creatureness is self created an adornment to the Creator.

Sometimes the Creator has to take the Creature to the tailors, to
adjust something here or there.

What God DOES is come in, there is no other thing that a God
does.

So trying to become God in order to get out forever doesn't work,
it sticks you in Creature mode, because only a Creature wants to get out
and never come back.

Trying to become God in order to come back in better adjusted
does work and is in fact the only way to make changes.

Being becomes the Author for a moment to adjust HIMSELF
as the Character, then joins the story again.

Being here CAN be fun.

It can also be a nightmare.

It's your choice.

Just don't make things so bad you can't believe you did it.

For then you are stuck with it forever more, until you can put it
there with High Appreciation for Ludicrous Demise, at which point you
will have a hard time keeping it around.

The God suffers from High Appreciation for Ludicrous Demise, and
likes to hang out in Halcyon, eternal good humor on the verge of time.

The Creature suffers from the shock and confusion of High Anti
Cool.

"I did what, you say?!"

If he doesn't feel comfortable as a Soul creating the Creator, then
he has a major ARC break with Cause, and himself for being part of a
Cosmic Whole where God and Soul are not all on the same page.

Can you imagine not being on the same page as God?

Or the ultimate source of creation, a source that created a
creature that was opposed to its own creation or any other creation this
source might contemplate?

Wondering is question asking, pretending you don't know the answer,
and trying, usually very hard with effort, force and drama, to find out.

Go on, get some coffee and a donut, and take the rest of
this up in a while.


POSTULATES AND CONSIDERATIONS.

So there is a postulate to not know, followed by an effort to find
out.

That is the cross over between postulates and force, and from above
26.0 Apparencies are Actuality to below 26.0

From above Static is cause, to below Kinetic is cause.

See TONE SCALE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive?/electra/tone.memo

Often your preclear doesn't want to find out, so he is running an
AND on wonder, want to know *AND* don't want to know at the same time.

Wondering AND NOT wondering at the same time.

The basic question is:

"Who or what is cause around here and why is it such an asshole!?"

Do you really want to know or would you prefer to spend your time
FOREVER finding out?

Any somatic or unwanted condition or state of failure on any
dynamic is simply evidence of a chronic wonder cycle, whether conscious
or not, grinding away, unwittingly or covertly causing what it is
purportedly trying to solve through understandings.

Can you imagine a problem or condition that persists simply and
only because the observer is wondering why it exists so hard?

He is asking "Why is it?"

Adore admonishes us to translate that into,

"It is. Why?
"It is. Why?

"Good. some people are so stupid they can't do the wrong thing
twice."

Putting something there and then wondering why it is there is a
well arted form of Cosmic Lunacy.

That is a reference to the idea that the first time creates it, and
the second time, through perfect duplication, erases it.

Put the damn thing there again, and then let go, you know?

Push once, the door locks. Push again, the door opens.

For a being that creates in the mere conception of things, where
his conception of something IS its creation, you can see wonder might be
a problem.

Wondering why something is, conceives it, so it is!

How long can you do that before you run into the end of time?

Notice that for a creator to get the idea he wants something, he
first must conceive that he doesn't have it. This is how he places
chase and thus time between desire and havingness, between first
conception of desire for something and later conception of having it.

He has to conceive that conception is not sufficient to creation,
but that chase with effort through time might be.

This is how things work in the physical body universe.

DOING = WANTING PLUS KNOWING

Doing results in HAVING.

If he fails in the chase, well that puts him back at the conception
phase of things, and he can do it all over again.

One computes what to DO from what one wants and doesn't have, and
what he knows about the conditions in the universe.

To an OT however, to whom conception is cause of what is conceived,
he might want to figure his way around this self fulfilling problem of
wanting preimplying not having, or conception of wanting preconceiving
not having.

Prepostulation is the same thing as preconception.

Postulating you want something, prepostulates you don't have it.

One way to run this is deadly straight forward:

"Get the idea of wanting something and not having it."

Run until the idea of wanting something and not having it is too
ludicrous to contemplate further.

The preclear who is being MEST rather than OT, is trying to find
out what is cause of having unwanted or not having wanted conditions so
that he can then CAUSE MORE, add his own cause into the mix, in order to
end, ameliorate or enhance the condition.

This is how the body and kinetic problem solving in general works,
but it is not how a thetan going OT works.

"Source sources what Source is not."

Thus how things work in the source universe is almost always 180
degrees reverse vector to how they work in the sourced universe.

A being using MEST logic and mechanics to solve theta problems
eventually becomes MEST. Since MEST *IS* his basic problem, using MEST
mechanics to solve the existence and persistence of MEST has got to be
some sort of Joke.

MEST means Matter, Energy, Space and Time plus Force, and is
kinetics operating in a created space time while, under the causal
auspices of Eternality, the eternal Static.

Eternality is a forever of no space and no time, from which space
and time whiles are created.

These are conscious whiles by the way, they do not exist in the
physical world, physical whiles do not exist at all and in fact can't
exist because there is no physical anything to put them in.

Dreams of stone are not made of stone.

Dreams of time are not made of time.

Dreams of space are not made of space.

These are all made of conscious virtualization or rendition stuff.

Only a being playing games of arrogance and dominance would desire
a forever OF time and IN time.

If they want it and try for it hard enough, they eventually get it.

It's called a Black Hole forever for free.

For a while of course :)

Clearly Eternality did not use MEST mechanics to create MEST
mechanics and so surely it shouldn't use them to uncreate them either.

If not MEST mechanics to effect change, then what?

Change needs to take place in 3 different universes.

The first universe is the being's own immediate universe where in
lies his home, his goals and creations and a lot of his timetrack and
case.

The second universe is a co resonant shared universe with him
self and his friends.

The third universe is the total co resonant shared universe of
everyone called the physical universe.

Each universe is more solid and fixed than the one
above it, by design, but all work on exactly the same principles.

Putting it there and getting involved with it, creates it.

Putting it there and letting go of it (getting uninvolved with it),
allows it to vanish as if never created.

Anything created is created in NOW at time = 0.

As the being moves forward into time on a crusade to unmake
his original creation by making more creations, he thinks that
the original now is moving into the past in time.

But that is an illusion, as all time is now, so at any time
he can simply declare that now is and always was and always will
be time = 0, reput there what he originally put there, let it go
and the whole story ends, no matter how long it was allowed to run.

That might seem odd to some people who believe in persisting
consequences, but some things, like Hubbard said, are inexorable.

At least you have a better idea of what true OT power is.

The ability to put things there, in all 3 universes, including
their consequences, and then remove them all in causal order later.

That's why erasing engrams works in the first universe,
once you get the original time = 0 creation, everything
causally related after wards simply goes as if never created.

Things become more solid, that is more consequences, the more they
are created in the second and third universe, but only because there is
so much more agreement and effects of that original cause.

So don't worry, you will not be as-ising the physical universe any
time soon. But there isn't any reason for you to be walking around with
a case, you see?

The process is called rewriting.

Basically get the idea of never having created a case for yourself,
spot something that happened or didn't happen, what would you be like
now if that event had never happened or had.

How would you be like now if your mother had loved you?

How would you be like now if you hadn't pushed her out a window?

If you run it right, perhaps you might carry around some of the
shadows of these things for a couple of life times, but not forever.

And it just eventually gets written out of everyone else's
existence too who might have been affected by your shenanigans.

Be careful though, you wouldn't want to spook anyone by getting
totally better, or who was keeping track of what state you were in and
why.

They might begin to think you were magic or some such thing :)

Kinetic problem solving by creating or adding more kinetics into
the mix, may result in 'desirable' change, but all the components of
space and time are still there to plague him later on down the road.

The universe may work better for a while after adding more MEST
into existing MEST, but long term its heavier, and that MEST universe is
the yoke around his neck no matter how 'well' it appears to be
functioning in the short term.

He may have some optimum games to play with that yoke, but
can he stop playing them?

Making things work better by making them heavier is a dead end to
an OT. The heaviest thing there is a black hole.

The preclear is solving his MEST problems, not by putting them and
the universe they are in there fully and then withdrawing it entirely,
but by trying to find out who or what is putting it there for him,
blaming them, and then putting SOMETHING MORE OR ELSE THERE to change it
to a more desirable end.

That is a terrible waste of time spent 'finding out' things.

When he finds out the apparent "cause" of the problem, he engages
in another wonder cycle of question asking, "What should I *DO* to
change this?"

"How do I cause this other cause to stop or change what it is
causing?"

When he figures out what "to do," i.e. what ELSE he can cause to
effect change, he puts that there as best he can in order to effect the
change he desires.

There is no thought of CAUSING the other cause to do what it is
already doing, then change it. That's not MEST mechanics, that is the
exact opposite, that's OT mechanics.

For MEST time moves on, MEST cause can't cause prior cause
and then let go of it, so MEST gets stuck with anything created
which is everything.

For an OT now is always time = 0 for anything ever created
no matter how far into the future it has been allowed to propagate
itself and its consequences.

Thus by looking AT NOW, the OT can vanish anything ever
created if only he can get what was created and put it there
again AS HIS OWN and then let go of it in the now.

It's amazing watching the future time track rearrange itself around
the editing of any given event anywhere on the track by accessing its
original moment of creation NOW by declaration (consideration) of now
as time = 0.

Putting cause there is always OT mechanics, because that is the
true cause of cause.

The static source is true cause, everything that it causes is
pretend kinetic cause which is all virtual.

Kinetics understands the illusions of virtual self determinism and
other determinism, and applies its self determinism against the other
determinism to effect change that it finds desirable.

The static understands only pan determinism, and applies actual pan
determinism to create areas of virtual self determinism and other
determinism in the kinetic whiles that the static creates.

So from A's point of view sitting in a funk in a while:

0.) B is putting something there that A doesn't like.

1.) A wonders who or what is putting it there.

2.) A considers B is putting it there.

3.) A wonders what A should put there in return to nullify, change
or ameliorate what B is putting there.

4.) A puts that there.

The first putting it there (0 above) by the alleged other
determinism B defines one moment of time.

The second putting it there (4 above) by the preclear A to change
the first one, defines a second moment of time.

What do you get?

You get time.

You get the booby prize.

You get consecutive time.

You get now, and then you get another now.

Two consecutive moments of time means disaster up head.

A wants to know what A should CAUSE in the (presumably near) FUTURE
to stop B from causing something NOW.

If A wants B to stop putting something there now, A should put B
there now putting things there, and then let go.

You may well chide that this doesn't work in the physical universe,
but it does just exactly as stated.

However before you try to 'solve' the MEST dragon entirely by
putting it there again and walking away, you might try resolving the
bugs crawling under your skin first, and the candy land spiders crawling
out of the back of your brain.

Pretty but scary.

Well, you wanted to be able to see mockups, didn't you?

Perhaps you thought you were going to be able to mockup boat loads
of pretty girls, without being able to mockup all the spiders and other
unmentionable things down in the hold?

There is a reason your preclear is a black V.

The eyes of a pretty girl are worse than the eyes of any demon he
might mockup.

The demon he meant to kill, the pretty girl he didn't.

The Black V condition is kept in place by trying to understand
cause, hopefully without looking at what cause is causing, nor looking
at cause itself.

Remember a clear line of sight from below disaster all the way up
to native state will all look like disaster to the being.

He is seeing everything above disaster by looking through
disaster which acts as disaster colored glasses to him.

There may be heavenly beauty up there near native state, but that's
a disaster to him, because he fell down to below disaster about that
beauty due to his own misdeeds.

Thus a soul in peril looking up at God, if he were to see God,
would see just more disaster, BIG GODLY disaster.

He is looking up through disaster colored glasses, just like a
person under water looking up through the water to see the sun.

What does he see? He sees water.

Perhaps he sees a wet sun, but water none the less.

Just so, looking up through disaster colored glasses, he sees
disaster colored God, and that is a LOT of disaster.

He can't wrap his wits around either the ugly at the bottom, nor
the beauty at the top of the tone scale.

The dynamic range between the wings of the dicom, from abomination
to adoration, exceeds his ability to span, so he considers that
actuality exceeds him, and that is disaster from the top to the bottom,
don't you see?

He considers that something exceeds him, and that IS disaster.

He can't stand the ugly, but there is something about the pleasure
and peace which he dearly longs for that he can't comprehend.

If things are so good, how come I am in such deep doodoo?

The last thing he wants to put there is HIMSELF again, scalar
causal unit, because the last time he was such a thing, he ended up in
the mud.

Well hell, if the price for getting out of hell, is to put yourself
there, let go and as-is yourself out of existence, then what's so bad?
He can always mockup himself up again.

He holds on to the hell, because he is holding on to the context in
which he ended up in that hell.

He can't get out of prison because he still has hopes for the world
in which the prison exists and which tossed him in it.

Yeah he killed the girl, but maybe the girl will forgive him, so
the whole gestalt of himself, the girl, the murder, the prison, and the
hell persist TOGETHER as a unified causal whole.

Every part of his suffering is accounted for in that whole, and
everything that had anything to do with that whole is accounted for.

That's why finding the first moment of an engram is critical,
because the first moment is the root of the context and everything in it
that followed for that chain.

When he erases a chain, he erases an awful lot of the Cosmic All,
in all 3 universes, in the past, the present and the future and all the
consequences and the experiences of the co players that went with it.

Its amazing how much you can get others to forget about you, if you
simply run out the entire incident which affected them.

PLEASURE AND PAIN

Pleasure and pain can only be commanded by the God side of the
being, not the Soul side.

The God side can command both pleasure and pain, the Soul side can
only run from one towards the other.

The secret is they MUST BE commanded together in equal measure.

Oops, that's called responsibility and putting it there, all of it.

The God side being can't create just one side of a dicom.

And the Soul side, well to a Soul side being any dicom is a running
wheel, running forever towards the good side and way from the bad side,
while inevitably slipping towards the bad side.

Imagine a car spinning its wheels trying to move up an icy hill,
but always sliding backwards down the hill anyhow.

Thus a Soul side preclear will find it hard to find a comfortable
position anywhere on the tone scale, high or low, until he comes up
above disaster and can span the entire scale from top to bottom with
some sense of artistic intent and equipoise.

But he would be God side release at that point, wouldn't he.

Eternal survival and willingness is for the story writer, not the
creatures that scamper within.

He can't confront the ugly girl because he can't shun the sight of
her, and that's a disaster you see.

The ugly girl MUST BE.

She is enforced upon him in the scheme of things.

He can't confront the pretty girl, because he can't shun the sight
of her either, and so that too is a disaster.

The pretty girl also MUST BE.

She too is enforced upon him.

Only by putting both there in equal measure, can he then shun both
by unputting them there.

Hey that's not so bad, he can put all the ugly ones on the left
side of the room and all the pretty ones on the right side, and then go
visit the right side for as long as he wants.

But he has to visit the left side too in equal measure other wise
he becomes that sliding car trying to forever go right and ending up
sliding left forever for free.

He has a morbid fascination on both sides. The Black V is actually
the result of an AND, of seeing both beauty and ugly at the same time,
but scrambling them to form a dull bleak gray, barren of interest
forever more.

It is no different than mixing bright white and neon black together
and then getting gray.

Gray doesn't exist, only infinitely scrambled white and black and
every other color you can imagine.

Those that have had their mockups open up for a fraction of a
second have felt the aesthetic vertigo of trying to span the dicom of
beauty and ugly, and falling on their face.

Your preclear is still trying to solve one side of the dicom with
something ELSE other than the other side of the same dicom.

The only thing that will assuage being burned by abject ugliness is
being burned by abject beauty.

The two together form peace, BECAUSE THEY BOTH COME FROM ABSOLUTE
PEACE.

The static has no problems with dicoms what so ever.

And the static is the fountain head of peace, which is a kind of
NOTHING THERE.

Thus if he is overwhelmed by ugly, he has to create an equal and
opposite OVERWHELMING beauty.

If he is overwhelmed by beauty, he has to create an equal and
opposite overwhelming ugly.

Angels and devils come in pairs.

There is no sending the devils to the back of the room, but you can
make the angels and devils dance with each other.

He doesn't have to scramble them into an ever present gray, they
can remain distinct covering their own part of the tapestry, in
interplay with each other, but the overwhelms from each will cancel out
anyhow.

A God of peace surrounded by a whirlwind of devils and angels, you
see?

So much for pretty girls giving him the eternal willies, eh?

He might have to mockup a few million cubic light years of earthly
spiders to match one pretty girl, but if he does it right, peace will
ensue and neither spider nor girl will bother him any more, with either
lust or revulsion.

But woe be to him if he gets stuck in the game of I want all the
pretty girls for myself, and here you can have all the ugly ones, take
them away!

Down the road he finds all the pretty girls are taken by others,
and he is stuck with all the ugly ones.

That is the inception of jealousy.

You want pretty girls?

Make more of them and GIVE THEM AWAY, force them down other
people's throats. They start sending them back to you, as they got too
many and never want to see them again.

And that is the inception of Expanded GITA, Give and Take
processing.

In fact, by creating full dicoms with both sides, the being becomes
the orientation point creating them both forever for free, rather than
the symbol who is too afraid to look in either of their directions,
stuck forever in a nightmare of scarcity of beauty, and abundance of
ugly.

And ALWAYS running.

Angels and demons always come in dicom pairs, and putting them BOTH
there together is the only solution there is, and the only help he
needs.

If you have no demons, why call on Angels?

If an Angel comes, you WILL have a demon :)

And the game will be afoot.

UNDERSTANDING CAUSE

A is asking "What should I *DO* to understand cause?"

That wonder cycle prepostulates that he doesn't understand cause
and so away we go down the chute.

You might try explaining cause to him, but until he verifies
it for himself with perfect certainty, he will never have it.

Oh yes, he might believe you, but belief in being cause will
never produce a being who can actually cause.

Instead he will say to himself 'I believe I am cause, that's
good enough for me, to feel good about my future, I don't need to actually
LOOK and see if I am actually am cause, because I might find out
I am not cause, and then what would I do?'

So to maintain his belief that he is cause he only visits those
areas of life where he doesn't have to be cause, thus he never tests
himself on the matter, and never finds out that down the road aways he
is monster food just on the other side of his tombstone by the road.

Since postulates are true cause coming from Static, his postulates
that he doesn't understand cause CAUSES him to not understand cause in
the mere conception of 1.) there is a cause, and 2.) he doesn't
understand it.

To understand cause means to follow the causal pathway from start
to finish with nothing missing in between.

Since true cause and effect are one and the same event created in
Eternality to look like two different moments of time, his only hope is
to BE that CAUSE and thus know it by conceiving of it.

He is trying to understand BEINGNESS (out of time) via BECOMINGNESS
in time.

He needs to understand BECOMINGNESS via BEINGNESS.

The static (out of time) does not need to be understood from the
viewpoint of the kinetic (in time) time.

The kinetic (in time) needs to be understood from the view point of
the static.

The physical universe tries to learn about causes by BECOMING the
effects of those causes.

The OT learns about effects by BEING the cause of those effects.

He has no need to learn about effects after the fact of creating
them, because they are exactly as he created them.

Learning about cause by being an effect is nuts, it is space time
mechanics, and he will end up a scientist in a tar pit or major
university. Same thing.

Knowing about effects by having caused them is pure OT ability, and
he will end up creating and vanishing so many universes he will chose to
become a scientist in a tar pit anyhow just to avoid that fate.

Imagine not being able to keep anything around?

Since conscious cause is self luminous, he gets to learn about
cause by being the cause too.

How cool.

In the absence of being able to see cause directly as a kinetic,
and his continual efforts to learn about the nature of cause by
observing effects, and the resulting question asking about the nature of
cause, he continues the nonsense down the time stream, like someone
sliding down the chute to hell, creating the chute as he goes along, and
all the scenery along the way, wondering all the while where the god
damn chute is coming from and why he is on it!

Once your own personal universe is under your control again, then
you can start working to adjust the many various shared universes up to
and including the physical universe, and every universe before and after
it.

How big are you willing to be, and how much are you willing to
erase absolutely merely by letting go of it and not being concerned
about nor running on the endless figure, figure wonder wheel about it.

You know an OT is a cosmic eraser, where ever he moves, he leaves
nothing behind as he has taken his attention off of it.

If you want the universe to remain, for God's sake, don't show him
a pretty girl.

SPANNING THE WHILE

Remember you don't as-is something merely by taking your attention
off of it, you must span, put there, and then take your attention off
the WHILE the thing exists in.

That's the only reason people can't as-is anything, they don't
realize that whiles exist, and things exist IN whiles (that's Q1) and
can only be as-ised by as-ising the while itself that the thing is in.

The thing and its while are not two different things.

Notice Hubbard leaves time out of Q1, adore considers this
a big mistake.

Anything that doesn't exist in time isn't going to persist anyhow.

So to vanish any object located in space and time, one must
as-is the underlying substrate that allows the object to exist,
namely space time.

Anytime an engram, postulate or consideration is as-ised, a small
amount of spacetime goes with it.

But no while can be as-ised from inside it, it must be spanned,
exteriorized from, and THEN THAT VIEW IS THE AS-IS VIEW of that while
and everything in it.

One trap is to get the preclear to think whiles of time can be
forever, infinitely long. He KNOWS he can't span an infinite amount of
something finite, so he never gets a view point outside of the while
spanning it!

And its only his own desire to stick OTHERS in inescapable whiles that
go on forever, that stick him in them also.

So his very idea that 'you should go to hell FOREVER (in time)'
tries and fails endlessly to create a forever of time in the mere
conception of it, so he can hand it off to another.

HE's got to conceive and thus create the eternal hell and its
forever while in order to hand it to his enemy so he will suffer it
instead of its earnest but doomed to failure creator.

That's why forever's (and nevers) kill, tar pit full speed ahead.

Whiles can be as long as he likes, no upper limit, but never
infinite. That's called an unlimited finiteness.

When he puts his now exterior attention on another while or creates
a new one, the first while will vanish as if never been.

Going exterior is always going exterior to a while and the objects
it contained.

Trying to go exterior from an object while yet staying in its while
is lunacy.

That is why making a perfect duplicate does not mean making a
second copy LATER IN TIME IN YET ANOTHER WHILE, it means making the
thing again IN ITS OWN ORIGINAL WHILE.

That means he has to stop moving down the time stream for a moment,
go exterior to the original while, span it, and bam its gone.

He just won't be able to keep it around unless he messes himself up
in it all over again real fast.

That's why people don't want to go near the abyss of annihilation,
they KNOW nothing will be left if they enter it completely.

They didn't create all this stuff just to get rid of it, don't you
see?

So down deep vanishing things is the last thing on their minds.

It's easier to find out why someone WANTS a condition than
get him to get rid of it.

The joke is once he spots why he wants the condition, that's the
end of it unless he puts it there again claiming he doesn't want it.

You see the preclear is doing this one-two step full time at a
lower harmonic, there is something he doesn't want to see (disaster), so
he pretends he isn't seeing it by forcing himself to look at something
else easier to confront (inactuality).

But again, there are those two moments of time, first seen and
second seen, with FORCE between them to not see the first by looking at
the second, and thus one gets time and oblivion.

And the dwindling spiral, as he second item is always lower tone
than the first.

Disaster, inactuality, delusion, hysteria, shock, catatonia and
oblivion.

And that's why when preclear's start to get real, poke their heads
up out of inactuality, they come up to disaster, the most fantastic
disasters you could ever imagine.

So precious, so dangerous.

Something to be scared of, don't you see?

AWARENESS CHARACTERISTIC CHART
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/electra/acc.memo

A 9 to 5 mortal life with no awareness of before this life or any
responsibility for putting it there, and who can only muster cat calls
at the mere suggestion of such, is the start of catatonia and oblivion.

Rather than put the wall and its while there and then letting go,
he is banging his head on it from inside the while.

That's a nice way to extend the while forever WHILE REMAINING IN
IT, but its way hard on the head.

He never gets back to the beginning of the while that contains the
wall, and thus he never spans it, exteriorizes from it, and thus he can
never let it go.

All hell is, is being inside a while, and trying to end it by
staying inside it.

You can never get rid of a while from inside it.

You see?

It's a quick easy ride from oblivion (who me?) on down through
detachment, duality, hallucination, sadism, masochism, elation, glee,
fixidity, erosion, dispersal, disassociation, criminality, uncausing,
disconnection and unexistence.

UNEXISTANCE AS A SPIRIT and thinking he is a body.

As a meatball he may be looking like he is DOING stuff, but a 9 to
5 mortal life is not much more than head banging 24x7 against a dark
impenetrable spiritual wall trying to not do something actual (handle
disaster), by doing something else (inactuality).

He is operating a won't cause or must not cause, and calling it a
can't cause.

ALL CAN'T IS WON'T!

That's a rough one, but there it is, OT 1.

The wall is impenetrable because it is self causing via the
mechanism of wonder about cause, question asking about cause, and
looking for something ELSE to DO about the wall (head banging) which
leads to endless failure.

Surely you can see that for a God who gets what he
conceives in the mere conception of it, banging his head against a wall
will never get rid of the wall!

For what then would he bang his head against?

HAVING a wall to band his head against is more valuable
than getting rid of the wall.

If he got rid of the wall, who would he have to complain playing
the game of "Ain't it awful!" about the Cosmic All.

To a God that can do anything, NOT being able to do anything
is PRECIOUS.

This mechanism is the only reason that things persist.

If things persisted for any other reason than self feedback,
then the GodSoul would be in permanent deep trouble with himself.

He would have to DO SOMETHING ELSE in order to get rid
of anything.

As it is, all he has to do is NOT DO SOMETHING ELSE,
except put it there, to get anything to vanish.

People don't like putting it there, not because it doesn't work,
but because it does work, but it works too fast and too deep, and they
reel from the power that unfolds as the universe comes apart (ascension
experience), and so they shut it all down by screaming how it doesn't
work, how they have been betrayed!

But you want trouble? Observe a being sometime who has doubted and
turned away from putting it there, and hysterically looking for what
else to put there to stop the first thing from being put there.

Lord save the being who creates in the mere conception of things
who conceives that conception is powerless.

HOW DOES THIS CREATE TIME

The wall is there because he considers it is there, then he
considers he needs to figure out WHY it is there, (who or what is cause
around here?) and then figure WHAT TO DO about it.

"It is. Why? What to DO?"

Figure, figure, figure.

Time1...time2...time3.......time forever....

Tar, Yum!

Figure figure is question asking, wonder, trying to understand the
nature of cause, that's all it is.

The thing was understood in the CREATION of it, what the HELL is he
doing trying to understand it's cause LATER IN TIME?

He creates with looking by knowing, and ends up dying with knowing
by looking.

If he figures out anything at all it will be some party line theta
trap nonsense that will just make things harder for him.

'Ah NOW I understand walls, we need to bow and pray to them because
they are good for us, they make our heads strong and hard, and we need
to leave our entrails at their threshold so we can prosper and
flourish!"

Right.

THE WHILE CONTAINS THE SOURCE POINT OUT SIDE OF THE WHILE THAT PUT
THE WHILE THERE SO OF COURSE THAT SOURCE POINT KNOWS WHAT IT PUT THERE.

FULL RE-UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING COMES FROM FULL RE-PERMEATION OR
SPANNING OF THE WHILE AND OF ITS ORIGINAL CREATION AND THE SOURCE OF ITS
CREATION.

Not EVER anything done later in time inside that while.

Not ever, ever, ever, ever.

Not even one little exception just for you because you are so cute.

You can't handle tomorrow what was created yesterday.

That is why tomorrow is MADE OF created yesterdays all piled up on
top of each other.

That's because the while contains both yesterday and tommorrow for
the persisting problem with the being in the present, and the WHILE
needs to be handled, not the god damn problem.

That's a rough one, people just won't believe it, you gotta do it
to see it.

And Lord help them if they are a prove it case, or a "need to know
its going to work be they go" case.

Of course, no matter how much they whimper like a little puppy in
the cold, they aren't at all serious about getting better yet for some
reason.

Run,

"What would happen if really got better".

E/P No more whimpering.

This analysis of course makes kinetics squirm in its grave, but
makes the Static smile as wide as the sky.

That's all a theta trap is.

DOING something later in time to 'deal with' something created in
an earlier moment of time.

All a theta UNtrap is, is dealing with something in its own
original while of NOW time=0, and then getting distracted.

So you create a Pandora's box with all kinds of things squirming
out of it.

Boy are you now in trouble.

So a moment later you create a lid and put it on the box.

Problem solved?

NO.

The things inside the box keep pushing the lid open.

So you decide to sit on the lid to keep it closed.

First moment of time you have a box with things crawling out of it.

Second moment of time, you have a box, hideous things, AND a lid.

More mass means heavier don't you see?

Well things are better aren't they? The hideous things are
contained?

Sure, but YOU are now jailed into having to sit on the lid for the
rest of time to make sure it stays put.

Run,

"Get the idea of CLEAN SPACETIME, *NOTHING* IN IT."

E/P No longer prone to solving unwanted mass with more mass.

A being as a symbol is stuck in a space filled with hostile junk,
the best he can do is create more junk to defend or offend, or entice
some of it around to his way of thinking, by paying them more to eat
those on the other side instead of him.

A being as an orientation point can solve any problem by creating a
CLEAN SPACE with nothing in it.

Wouldn't that be a relief.

The first reaction of a being in trouble is to look for something
he can create or use against what is bothering him.

TO CHANGE the balance of forces assaulting him.

The first reaction of an OT in trouble is to let go of the dirty
space filled with problems and put a clean space there with nothing in
it.

Then he can repopulate it as he wishes with new problems or not as
he chooses.

Most beings who are stuck with a problem they don't want, were
prevented from having a problem earlier that they did want. And before
or after that they either did or attempted to do the same to others.

So things are not as they might appear from a being crying innocent
victim.

At the kinetic level the being's wonder about cause is creating
what he is wondering about to a point where it crushes him out of
existence as a spirit, and he becomes a "What wonder?" case.

A "What spirit?" case.

A meatball: glowballus carrionus.

These are dangerous because if you get near them, their position is
SO LUDICROUS, you will begin to wonder if they are right and you are a
meatball too and don't know it.

How could SO MANY BE SO WRONG?

"SOMEONE is insane around here".

You see their reality throws you into doubt about your reality, and
doubt magnifies what you doubt until you are convinced it's real enough
to bet on. Then YOU become a meatball too.

"Whew, I would rather die forever than be a meatball!"

The condition in others restimulates YOUR whole track and the
question asking that goes with it.

You know, the kind of preclear that never thinks about anything,
except maybe his job. His job is the head banging trying to create a
state of catatonia so nothing will remind him of the prior *SPIRITUAL*
disaster in cause.

A moment of pity and disaster so strong he knew he would NEVER get
over it.

He may be a saint as a mortal, but he is a done for criminal as a
spirit and no longer wants to know who or what is cause around here, and
why it is such an asshole.

BECAUSE IT IS HIM.

How could a God ever REGRET ANYTHING.

He *MADE* time, and now he wants to turn it back?

Logic is sparse in these woods.

How do you take a God, and turn him into a guilty sinner to the
point where he gives up trying to redeem himself and joins the dark side
of the force until he is no more, born of self crucifixion and self
condemnation.

Remember only the good feel guilty.

Well it has to do with this cycle of trying to fix something by
creating something MORE, something ELSE.

There is no greater trap than making amends.

And when he gets down into punishment he simply joins the Villain,
Victim, Hero whirlpool until he whirls down the drain never to be seen
again.

Well, for a while, for a very long while.

For who or what will save him, and how will they do it?

His backing off from his crime makes the crime persist.

He is not putting the crime there.

He considers that would be a crime, don't you see?

It was wrong to do the first time, surely it would be wrong to do a
second time, EVEN IF PUTTING IT THERE AGAIN OPENED THE DOOR TO VANISHING
IT FOREVER.

So anything that a being couldn't have, wouldn't have or shouldn't
have created, can never be as-ised. He has moved off its creation point
to make sure he has nothing further to do with it that might make it
worse.

No creation point, no vanishment.

He has to be there and make it, to get it to vanish, so
somewhere in here there is some humor, as dark as it may be.

That humor is the motivation for manifestation.

That's a big statement, dig it and don't leave it.

The crime is not anything he did per se, but that he considered it
bad and refused to ever to do it again. That back off, that refusal to
put it there again, precludes making a perfect duplicate and thus an
as-isness of the crime and the while it exists in.

First moment, second moment creates time.

The first moment is fancy free.

The second moment is a panicked effort to fix the mess made by the
first moment.

Time is the chute with the garbage pail at the end.

He commits the crime in a while.

He never wants to commit that same crime in another while ever
again.

But in his confusion and ignorance, he also refuses to recreate
that crime IN ITS OWN while again, thus guaranteeing that the crime and
its consequences continue to persist for ever more.

One way or another, whiles are self replicating, they get
restimulated and cause re dramatization of themselves.

The bank is the sum total of self restimulatable whiles.

So when you are addressing the bank, you are addressing time and
this first moment, second moment thing in its entirety.

The crime he is mishandling he considers must never happen again,
so instead of an as-isness he is punishing himself and others for the
crime to make sure they never do it again. But that's AFTER the moment
of the crime, thus creating a wake of MORE whiles after the first one,
filled with more crimes of punishment and retribution, even if only
towards himself.

Every crime is a while that is persisting because it must
never happen again.

How does a God get this messed up?

It's an artistic expression of His Divine sense of Humor.

He is not taking full responsibility for his crime without
additives.

And he is not allowing others to take full responsibility for the
things they did to him.

"Oh you bad boy, look what you did to me, you had better regret
that forever. Here, I got some time for you, now reverse it forever,
and begone with you."

If someone ELSE took full responsibility for the crimes they did to
him, he wouldn't be able to remember those crimes to hold them against
anyone, because THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE ANY MORE.

Blame is an effort to PRETEND at taking or allowing others to take
responsibility for what they did, blame is usually mixed up with
punishing others for what they did. Creating more to counter what they
created. No as-isness here.

When a being blames another for doing wrong, the first being is not
taking responsibility for CAUSING THE OTHER BEING TO DO WRONG.

He is not putting the miscreant and their deeds there.

Who let who in to their dream now?

Oh dear, you mean we need to think about choice now?

So THAT is the proper way to make amends.

Vanish the crime.

But you can't do that looking up from UNDER the bottom of the sea
below unexistence as a spirit.

For the light of Grace does not shine below unexistence.

The light of Grace is always still there, but if you postulate that
YOU don't exist, then ipso facto your Grace doesn't exist either.

And Grace unfortunately only follows the command of your postulates
and orders.

Only a spirit can put something there once and make it persist.

Only a spirit can put something there twice and make it vanish.

Only an Eternal spirit can operate grace.

*HIS OWN* God damn it.

Grace shines from the infinite eternal scalar substrate connecting
all beings, so when it shines from one, it resonates with all, the
entirety of the High Us, including those you would prefer didn't exist.

So this is a big deal we are talking about here.

If YOU could grace others, they could grace you back, no matter who
had done what to whom.

If you don't let your grace out, its harder for other's grace to
come in.

They might be able to bust you open like a nut with a grace
cracker, but its easier if you just open the door and let them in.

Who or what is knocking at your door anyhow, that you can't open it
even a crack?

Someone you didn't invite?

Wouldn't have, couldn't have, shouldn't have?

That's your monster, your Nemesis One.

Free flowing grace in all directions reconnects you to the fountain
head of Source, because you aren't pissed at Goober any more over there
in the constellation of Orion, and suddenly for no reason he stops
feeling guilty all day long for the things he did to you.

And Dufus over in Andromeda is no longer pissed at you, and
suddenly for no reason you are guilt free for what you did to him.

You want to stop feeling guilty about what you did.

Are you willing to stop wanting others to feel guilty about what
you did?

People won't go guilt free unless they know all is well between
them and the person who was hurt.

Grace vanishes the crime so no one WAS hurt.

Grace is gracefully letting go of the while the crime is in, so
that it is no more and NEVER WAS.

Grace is eternal, not a temporal thing.

Forgiveness of others through your own grace, allows the grace from
others to flow into you, whether they want it to or not.

Because at Eternity we are connected by the One, while the Many
part of us sleeps.

If you can grace others, it is almost impossible for anyone to
continue to hate you back.

If you block your own grace to others, you will block it to
yourself, and guess who doesn't get any grace to light the way any more?

So you see, justice reigns at all time.

Justice means you get exactly and only what you postulate.

Worthwhileness or worthlessness?

So one day Goober and Dufus, a trillion trillion miles from each
other, will think of each other and crack up laughing at how much they
hated each other and how much guilt they felt about it all.

The ocean of love just wipes it all away for both.

And they won't know why.

Because by the time they are aware of it, it never happened
in the first place.

That is the magic you all are seeking.

Oceans do not leave traces of the walls of sand and castles they
wipe away.

Neither does grace.

For accepting the infinite grace of themselves, the finite wall of
gracelessness in others can not stand.

Thus one person in a karma group can release everyone in that group
from their suffering and travail.

You can't heal yourself alone. If you want to heal yourself but
still hold something against the group, you are holding what they did to
you AGAINST YOURSELF, you are hating yourself for having been an unwelcome
effect.

That's you hating YOU, not you hating them.

So of course you can't heal.

Underlying all suffering is guilt and fair chosen self immolation,
and underlying fair chosen self immolation is a failure to operate your
own grace on yourself, and those who harmed you, and those you harmed.

It is also a failure to accept their grace, for other others
will 'forgive you' to lessen the seriousness of what they did to you,
hoping you will forgive them back.

Take it and run. Grace will always set the truth straight.

It may be hard to be the first to grace a karma group, will they
accept your forgiveness of yourself and them?

1.) It doesn't matter.

2.) Of course they will, nothing stops the ocean from erasing sand
castles in the sand if only you would stop building them. Take a
breather from your hatred and guilt.

But someone has to start the ball rolling and if you are the first,
then so be it.

IT IS A WASTE OF TIME TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO START THE HEALING
PROCESS OF GRACE.

The real question is will you accept their grace, their forgiveness
of themselves and you.

Hell its easy to forgive, its a bitch being forgiven.

The guilt gets in the way, which is why Grace for Self comes first
and it is tantamount to relating to others in a Graceful world.

This is probably about the only magic you could ever want.

TO HEAL YOURSELF AND THE GROUP WITH IT.

And perchance to let the group do the same.

Homer

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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.

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