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Homer Wilson Smith (homer@lightlink.com) wrote:
>Phil Scott
>>Postulates and considerations are NOT senior to 'MEST' in my view
> Thank you for admitting that, as it indicates the inexorable
>position you occupy on the tone scale.
I guess the real issue here is counter-intention.
Its like having a commie on a list devoted to improving
capitalism. The commie's comments will all be negative and
destructive, because the commie's intent is NOT to build a better
capitalism. Their intent is to undermine it and destroy it, by force
if necessary.
Their postings are constantly trying to sway people away from
capitalism.
The position of scientological clearing is that the being's
postulates are senior to ALL created and mechanical conditions of
exitence. Mechanical means dimensional, namely matter, energy, space
and time.
If you are not working in that direction, then basically you
are a professional meatball.
One can postulate a form of clearing the lives under the clouds
of existence so to speak, only to see the bright city lights and never
the real sun. But such clearing remains forever below BEING AN EFFECT
on the awareness characteristic scale, and would thus be directed at
acceptance rather than change and control.
Yes, control. Control is a very bad term to low tone people,
that's how you can tell them, have them write up a little essay on
control.
Basically those who are overwhelmed by MEST are in the valence of
MEST, and thus they act in a MEST like fashion, whether they admit it or
not.
"Life treats love like the ocean treats sand castles in the
sand."
This is ok as a fair chosen postulated game condition, but is not
ok as a fundamental view of the AllThatIs.
Phil has shown many times his propensity to forevers and nevers,
for him, most people 'die forever in the ridig apathy of MEST.' Thus
he is frantic about making sure this never happens.
Which is more insane, a God that thinks it is MEST, or MEST that
thinks it is God?
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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WILLINGLY BLIND
I have shown the proof to a number of people, and tried to show it
to many more.
The issues stated below are valid even today. But there are
differences amongst people.
I have one newer friend, an advanced scientific mind in mathematics
and physics and he 'got it' very fast and cleanly. He, like myself,
finds the idea that we chose to forget while coming into this life to be
astounding but even he can wrap his wits around it and work with it to
find an approach to undoing the choice to forget if its there.
I have an older friend, with a much huger mind, who understands
the proof but can't get past the idea that he might be a wrong robot,
one who is programmed to SAY he is certain of something or another, but
is wrong anyhow. So he is certain he can't be certain of anything,
and he doubts even that! Even he can see the self referencing,
self denying logic loop in that statement "I doubt that I doubt",
he just says well, I could still be a wrong robot etc, so how can
I trust anything I say? He trusts his doubt more than his
certainty that he doubts!
He sees that he sees but doesn't see that he sees for SURE.
He once told me that he didn't WANT to be certain of anything
because it was too scary.
Then I have another friend who through many years has come to
understand the proof and see it is true, hundreds of hours of work.
Then I have other friends who understand it but deny it.
Then others who can't understand it at all.
So it goes.
Basically 'out thereness' is an illusion in a zero dimensional
consciousness. The illusion gives us a game to play in space and time
which don't exist beyond the TV monitor picture of it in our minds. The
universe is a multi player virtual reality game.
Huggie below likes to argue about what he doesn't understand, but
won't admit WHAT he doesn't understand, he just can't give it back to me
in his own words, so its kind of useless.
Homer
huggieoh (huggieoh@clear.net.nz) wrote:
>My, My, do I sense MWs beyond that bad language; but Homer deserves Browie
>points for at least answering like a good PC. And I do have a better
>understand now but a long way to go to agreement.
> BTW. I have been CERTAIN of my immortality since age 12 but I am pretty
>sure that to regard the PU as dreamstuff is a banana skin south!
Pretty sure, based on what evidence?
All you have ever seen is your conscious picture of the PU, and
symbols do not prove referent.
Now Huggie, you have disparaged my integrity.
You have actually blamed me for something that comes from your own
failing, namely a failing to understand what I have said.
I DARE YOU to post ONE QUESTION that I have avoided answering
because I *COULDN'T*.
Questions based on your MU's are not answerable.
You also show a CLEAR pattern of reading scattered articles that I
write, and even those not carefully, and thus miss the answers to most
of your questions already posted.
You also read what I write with the prejudiced opinion that my
ideas are probably nuts in the first place, and therefore do not give
them serious attention that they require and deserve.
"At first they said it wasn't true.
Then they said it was true but unimportant.
Then they said it was true and important but they had
known it all along." - Idiot Galore.
Just because you SEE the apprency of space, doesn't mean there IS
space.
Insanity is assigning a quality of the symbol to a quality of the
referent just and only because its a quality of the symbol.
The conscious universe exists, but has no dimension.
PU does not exist except as delusory consideration overlaid on top
of experiences in the conscious universe.
>As to my misunderstanding him, LRH said the originator is responsible for
>making his comm. duplicable and easily understood.
Yes, and I try. But beings who are no longer lucid in the dream
have a few trillion megatons of force in the face fusing symbols and
referent, so they assign the actuality of the dream picture to the
alleged PU referent out there.
In talking to them, I find they continuously confuse symbols with
referent and are generally incapable of tracking with the words I am
offering.
They also have a criminal intent to not know that the world is a
dream, lest they wake up from it, and thus although I am responsible for
any undertaking I might take on, some people are better left asleep.
The proof is not something new, it is something people used to know
and they maintained their sovereignty with it. They help their position
space with it, because THERE WAS NO SPACE and they knew it, except in
virtual reality.
Once they lost the proof, they flipped *PERMANENTLY* from
Orientation Point to Symbol, and thus lost their sovereignty, power, and
*CERTAINTY* of Immutability (Immortality).
Thus if they no longer know it, can not repeat back in their own
words with complete understanding, it is only because they CHOSE to not
know it.
My attempt to show the proof here on this list is a first, probably
almost impossible except for those who already have it, even if only
instinctively.
Mostly I am posting for posterity sake, not with any real hope of
getting it across.
In person, I can walk a willing client through the proof in a
couple of days, I have done it in 5 minutes with one. But for the more
confused it takes clay table and more clay table, and then auditing out
centuries of false certainties, until they get lucid enough to even see
their own agency let alone reach a perfect certainty on anything.
Most people aren't even perfectly sure they exist!
Then there is the willing factor, most are not yet ready to take
responsibility for Behemoth, or look into the eye of the dragon.
"Only he who made it can approach unto it." - Bible
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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WILLINGLY BLIND
I have shown the proof to a number of people, and tried to show it
to many more.
The issues stated below are valid even today. But there are
differences amongst people.
I have one newer friend, an advanced scientific mind in mathematics
and physics and he 'got it' very fast and cleanly. He, like myself,
finds the idea that we chose to forget while coming into this life to be
astounding but even he can wrap his wits around it and work with it to
find an approach to undoing the choice to forget if its there.
I have an older friend, with a much huger mind, who understands
the proof but can't get past the idea that he might be a wrong robot,
one who is programmed to SAY he is certain of something or another, but
is wrong anyhow. So he is certain he can't be certain of anything,
and he doubts even that! Even he can see the self referencing,
self denying logic loop in that statement "I doubt that I doubt",
he just says well, I could still be a wrong robot etc, so how can
I trust anything I say? He trusts his doubt more than his
certainty that he doubts!
He sees that he sees but doesn't see that he sees for SURE.
He once told me that he didn't WANT to be certain of anything
because it was too scary.
Then I have another friend who through many years has come to
understand the proof and see it is true, hundreds of hours of work.
Then I have other friends who understand it but deny it.
Then others who can't understand it at all.
So it goes.
Basically 'out thereness' is an illusion in a zero dimensional
consciousness. The illusion gives us a game to play in space and time
which don't exist beyond the TV monitor picture of it in our minds. The
universe is a multi player virtual reality game.
Huggie below likes to argue about what he doesn't understand, but
won't admit WHAT he doesn't understand, he just can't give it back to me
in his own words, so its kind of useless.
Homer
huggieoh (huggieoh@clear.net.nz) wrote:
>My, My, do I sense MWs beyond that bad language; but Homer deserves Browie
>points for at least answering like a good PC. And I do have a better
>understand now but a long way to go to agreement.
> BTW. I have been CERTAIN of my immortality since age 12 but I am pretty
>sure that to regard the PU as dreamstuff is a banana skin south!
Pretty sure, based on what evidence?
All you have ever seen is your conscious picture of the PU, and
symbols do not prove referent.
Now Huggie, you have disparaged my integrity.
You have actually blamed me for something that comes from your own
failing, namely a failing to understand what I have said.
I DARE YOU to post ONE QUESTION that I have avoided answering
because I *COULDN'T*.
Questions based on your MU's are not answerable.
You also show a CLEAR pattern of reading scattered articles that I
write, and even those not carefully, and thus miss the answers to most
of your questions already posted.
You also read what I write with the prejudiced opinion that my
ideas are probably nuts in the first place, and therefore do not give
them serious attention that they require and deserve.
"At first they said it wasn't true.
Then they said it was true but unimportant.
Then they said it was true and important but they had
known it all along." - Idiot Galore.
Just because you SEE the apprency of space, doesn't mean there IS
space.
Insanity is assigning a quality of the symbol to a quality of the
referent just and only because its a quality of the symbol.
The conscious universe exists, but has no dimension.
PU does not exist except as delusory consideration overlaid on top
of experiences in the conscious universe.
>As to my misunderstanding him, LRH said the originator is responsible for
>making his comm. duplicable and easily understood.
Yes, and I try. But beings who are no longer lucid in the dream
have a few trillion megatons of force in the face fusing symbols and
referent, so they assign the actuality of the dream picture to the
alleged PU referent out there.
In talking to them, I find they continuously confuse symbols with
referent and are generally incapable of tracking with the words I am
offering.
They also have a criminal intent to not know that the world is a
dream, lest they wake up from it, and thus although I am responsible for
any undertaking I might take on, some people are better left asleep.
The proof is not something new, it is something people used to know
and they maintained their sovereignty with it. They help their position
space with it, because THERE WAS NO SPACE and they knew it, except in
virtual reality.
Once they lost the proof, they flipped *PERMANENTLY* from
Orientation Point to Symbol, and thus lost their sovereignty, power, and
*CERTAINTY* of Immutability (Immortality).
Thus if they no longer know it, can not repeat back in their own
words with complete understanding, it is only because they CHOSE to not
know it.
My attempt to show the proof here on this list is a first, probably
almost impossible except for those who already have it, even if only
instinctively.
Mostly I am posting for posterity sake, not with any real hope of
getting it across.
In person, I can walk a willing client through the proof in a
couple of days, I have done it in 5 minutes with one. But for the more
confused it takes clay table and more clay table, and then auditing out
centuries of false certainties, until they get lucid enough to even see
their own agency let alone reach a perfect certainty on anything.
Most people aren't even perfectly sure they exist!
Then there is the willing factor, most are not yet ready to take
responsibility for Behemoth, or look into the eye of the dragon.
"Only he who made it can approach unto it." - Bible
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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RISING TA AUDITING
Casper the Friendly Ghost (davesmith39@hotmail.com) wrote:
>The scientology mgmt is doing the perfect 1.1 game. I don't believe that lrh was a
>'drug addict' or INSANE or mr. evil himself, just listen to anyONE of his lectures.
Correct. However I think there is room for both viewpoints.
There is a very wide range from the bottom where Hubbard and the
rest of us started to where Hubbard and some of us on this NG have
gotten to (not me.)
From where I am looking Hubbard is WAY UP, from where Phil is
looking Hubbard is WAY SIDEWAYS and off course.
I can see it.
It's also not a problem to me.
There is a real cool process anyone can do on someone with a
meter, it helps if the pc has some experience with auditing and wins
etc. Its real powerful in good hands.
Get the pc on the meter, and watch the needle climb, get it
rising smoothly with a little 2wc on ruds etc, then run the following.
"OK, why is the TA going up?"
You tell the pc you are not auditing them, they are soloing
themselves, that you have no idea what is wrong with them or 'what to
run', that they are to let their bank talk to them and lead them to
where they need to look and speak next.
Its ok to tell the pc his TA, and that it is rising or stuck
high.
Whatever the pc says, if the needle continues to rise or doesn't
read or blow down, you say "nope that isn't it.".
PC screams about murder, rape, incest, and the needle doesn't
even quiver, you say "Sorry, still rising."
When it reads "That read, tell me more about ..." whatever item
or word or idea or phrase that read or blew down. Only mention
significant reads, forget the ticks, although poke around the dirty
skirting needles.
Don't steer on reads, don't say "there there yes what's that?",
on every little tick, trying to get the pc to talk. Only when the pc
says something AND it falls or blowdowns do you say anything.
When the pc says something and it doesn't read or reads and
continues to rise, you say, "Still rising" If pc asks what the TA is
at, tell him.
When the needle falls, blow downs heavily indicate it with "Yup,
lots of charge there!". If pc is interested tell him how much
it blew down, "Hey we came down from 5.3 to 4.2 on that one alone!"
Pc will feel validated.
Audit to a win, TA down from 5.5 and stuck to 4 and loose. Ask
"Want to go on for another cycle?" Ta starts to rise, goes back to
4.5, blowsdown to 3.4 on the second round, say "Wanna continue for
another cycle?" Each time the TA should end up lower.
If goes well a few cycles later Ta will be at 2.5 and F/Ning.
Each cycle is a little win, let the pc have it and decide on
their own determinism whether to continue or not.
So you see you can natter all day long about satanic roots and
philosophical underpinnings, or you can put all that crap aside and
just get on the meter and face the rising TA until it comes down.
If you can't get the TA to go up, run "OK, how come the TA won't
go up" instead?
Remember where you got this from, it wasn't me.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Casper the Friendly Ghost (davesmith39@hotmail.com) wrote:
>The scientology mgmt is doing the perfect 1.1 game. I don't believe that lrh was a
>'drug addict' or INSANE or mr. evil himself, just listen to anyONE of his lectures.
Correct. However I think there is room for both viewpoints.
There is a very wide range from the bottom where Hubbard and the
rest of us started to where Hubbard and some of us on this NG have
gotten to (not me.)
From where I am looking Hubbard is WAY UP, from where Phil is
looking Hubbard is WAY SIDEWAYS and off course.
I can see it.
It's also not a problem to me.
There is a real cool process anyone can do on someone with a
meter, it helps if the pc has some experience with auditing and wins
etc. Its real powerful in good hands.
Get the pc on the meter, and watch the needle climb, get it
rising smoothly with a little 2wc on ruds etc, then run the following.
"OK, why is the TA going up?"
You tell the pc you are not auditing them, they are soloing
themselves, that you have no idea what is wrong with them or 'what to
run', that they are to let their bank talk to them and lead them to
where they need to look and speak next.
Its ok to tell the pc his TA, and that it is rising or stuck
high.
Whatever the pc says, if the needle continues to rise or doesn't
read or blow down, you say "nope that isn't it.".
PC screams about murder, rape, incest, and the needle doesn't
even quiver, you say "Sorry, still rising."
When it reads "That read, tell me more about ..." whatever item
or word or idea or phrase that read or blew down. Only mention
significant reads, forget the ticks, although poke around the dirty
skirting needles.
Don't steer on reads, don't say "there there yes what's that?",
on every little tick, trying to get the pc to talk. Only when the pc
says something AND it falls or blowdowns do you say anything.
When the pc says something and it doesn't read or reads and
continues to rise, you say, "Still rising" If pc asks what the TA is
at, tell him.
When the needle falls, blow downs heavily indicate it with "Yup,
lots of charge there!". If pc is interested tell him how much
it blew down, "Hey we came down from 5.3 to 4.2 on that one alone!"
Pc will feel validated.
Audit to a win, TA down from 5.5 and stuck to 4 and loose. Ask
"Want to go on for another cycle?" Ta starts to rise, goes back to
4.5, blowsdown to 3.4 on the second round, say "Wanna continue for
another cycle?" Each time the TA should end up lower.
If goes well a few cycles later Ta will be at 2.5 and F/Ning.
Each cycle is a little win, let the pc have it and decide on
their own determinism whether to continue or not.
So you see you can natter all day long about satanic roots and
philosophical underpinnings, or you can put all that crap aside and
just get on the meter and face the rising TA until it comes down.
If you can't get the TA to go up, run "OK, how come the TA won't
go up" instead?
Remember where you got this from, it wasn't me.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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DATING
There is an interesting way to do dating on a meter if you find
the old greater-than, less-than hard to do.
Take a piece of paper and draw out a time line, you can do this
for this life if you are dating back to conception, or you can do it
for the whole track.
For the whole track it might look something like
0 10 100 1000
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1000 10,000 100,000 1 mi
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 mi 10 mi 100 mi 1 bi
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 bi 10 bi 100 bi 1 tri
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 tri 10 tri 100 tri 1 quad
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 quad 10 quad 100 quad 1 quint
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1 mi = 1 million = 1,000,000
1 bi = 1 billion = 1,000,000,000
1 tri = 1 trillion = 1,000,000,000,000
1 quad = 1 quadrillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000
1 quint = 1 quintillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Conceive it as one long line with the numbers spaced evenly along
the line even if its wrapped around on many lines as I have show
above.
Notice the last number on each line is the same as the first
number on the next line.
Then hold the cans in one hand and a pen in the other and POINT
with the pen along the continuous line from 0 to 1 quint. Where the
needle reacts hunt around with the pen back and forth in that area
until you get an exact blowdown reaction. Mark the line with the pen.
THEN figure out what date the point on the line refers to, if you
still need to. You can get very exact dating done this way without
ever actually getting all the digits of the number.
You can also do this when hunting for the next major incident to
run in this life, the file clerk will sometimes respond to a pen point
when it won't respond to dating. Just make a line and number it from
1998 to 1951 or when ever you were born, or even before by about 10
years if you want to get your last death, and start pointing and mark
and take up what reads.
For line plots of this life I like to mark the years along
the line but then I also mark the beginning and end of each
school year, and the beginning and end of each summer. I mark
also when my birthday was and how old I was during each period.
This makes for a more complex line plot that look slike
the following, but its more meaningful for the pen pointing.
12th grade Freshman Sophmore
--------------| |--------------| |--------------|
1969 1970 1971
-------|------|-------|------|-------|-------|--------|---------------
Summer Summer
at camp in NYC
|----------------------|------------------------|
18 years old 19 years old
It makes for a complex time line, but if you can get in every
year at school, what dorm you were in, who your room mates where,
where you went for summer vacations, all the way back to 0 years old,
you will have quite a time line. Then you can also mark your major
injuries and losses etc.
By the way when dating with words during this life I tend to NOT
like to date 2 years old, 3 years old etc. THat time line starts at 0
years old which my body doesn't like. So I use 1st year of life, 2nd
year of life, 3rd year of life etc. And don't forget conception, the
being actually turns 1 year old 9 months before anyone generally gives
him a birthday party for it!
If you are hunting for early childhood engrams or prenatals in
the sticky blackness, you can draw out one year with Jan, Feb Mar etc,
and run the pen pointing on that line. You can have one month per
line if you want really fine spotting or have them all on the one line
if you just want the approximate month something happened.
Once you find an area that reads, go before the read and then
after the read until the needle finds an area that is NOT reading, and
then hone in on the exact point that is reading, back and forth until
you narrow it down to a single point.
Then mark the point and consider that your answer, if you want to
put it into words, come up with an exact answer if you can or an
approximate answer if you wish. Don't push it.
This is a very powerful dating technique and one that your GE and
BT's/clusters can relate to really well as the language thing kind of
leaves them hanging.
Homer
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There is an interesting way to do dating on a meter if you find
the old greater-than, less-than hard to do.
Take a piece of paper and draw out a time line, you can do this
for this life if you are dating back to conception, or you can do it
for the whole track.
For the whole track it might look something like
0 10 100 1000
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1000 10,000 100,000 1 mi
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 mi 10 mi 100 mi 1 bi
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 bi 10 bi 100 bi 1 tri
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 tri 10 tri 100 tri 1 quad
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 quad 10 quad 100 quad 1 quint
-------------------------------------------------------------------
1 mi = 1 million = 1,000,000
1 bi = 1 billion = 1,000,000,000
1 tri = 1 trillion = 1,000,000,000,000
1 quad = 1 quadrillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000
1 quint = 1 quintillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Conceive it as one long line with the numbers spaced evenly along
the line even if its wrapped around on many lines as I have show
above.
Notice the last number on each line is the same as the first
number on the next line.
Then hold the cans in one hand and a pen in the other and POINT
with the pen along the continuous line from 0 to 1 quint. Where the
needle reacts hunt around with the pen back and forth in that area
until you get an exact blowdown reaction. Mark the line with the pen.
THEN figure out what date the point on the line refers to, if you
still need to. You can get very exact dating done this way without
ever actually getting all the digits of the number.
You can also do this when hunting for the next major incident to
run in this life, the file clerk will sometimes respond to a pen point
when it won't respond to dating. Just make a line and number it from
1998 to 1951 or when ever you were born, or even before by about 10
years if you want to get your last death, and start pointing and mark
and take up what reads.
For line plots of this life I like to mark the years along
the line but then I also mark the beginning and end of each
school year, and the beginning and end of each summer. I mark
also when my birthday was and how old I was during each period.
This makes for a more complex line plot that look slike
the following, but its more meaningful for the pen pointing.
12th grade Freshman Sophmore
--------------| |--------------| |--------------|
1969 1970 1971
-------|------|-------|------|-------|-------|--------|---------------
Summer Summer
at camp in NYC
|----------------------|------------------------|
18 years old 19 years old
It makes for a complex time line, but if you can get in every
year at school, what dorm you were in, who your room mates where,
where you went for summer vacations, all the way back to 0 years old,
you will have quite a time line. Then you can also mark your major
injuries and losses etc.
By the way when dating with words during this life I tend to NOT
like to date 2 years old, 3 years old etc. THat time line starts at 0
years old which my body doesn't like. So I use 1st year of life, 2nd
year of life, 3rd year of life etc. And don't forget conception, the
being actually turns 1 year old 9 months before anyone generally gives
him a birthday party for it!
If you are hunting for early childhood engrams or prenatals in
the sticky blackness, you can draw out one year with Jan, Feb Mar etc,
and run the pen pointing on that line. You can have one month per
line if you want really fine spotting or have them all on the one line
if you just want the approximate month something happened.
Once you find an area that reads, go before the read and then
after the read until the needle finds an area that is NOT reading, and
then hone in on the exact point that is reading, back and forth until
you narrow it down to a single point.
Then mark the point and consider that your answer, if you want to
put it into words, come up with an exact answer if you can or an
approximate answer if you wish. Don't push it.
This is a very powerful dating technique and one that your GE and
BT's/clusters can relate to really well as the language thing kind of
leaves them hanging.
Homer
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THE NONSENSE OF BUDDHISM
Curiosus <curiosus@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> For example the Tibetan Buddhist nun and princess Ani Patchen: leading
> 600 fighters on horseback against Chinese tanks in 1959, captured by
> the Chinese army, beaten, hung by her wrists for a week, a year in leg
> irons, nine months in solitary confinement with no light, in prison
> for 21 years, then walking for 25 days in the snow from Tibet to Nepal
> to escape another arrest, fighting until her death in 2002 to demand
> human rights for Tibetans. Low toned?
Happiness is in the chase.
If she had wanted serenity for ever above time she could have had
it, but she CHOSE to enter time and suffer.
Why do you contradict me?
Do the people in time not have any responsibility for their
condition?
Fair chosen is fair chosen.
That people 'seek' happiness is nonsense.
People HAVE happiness. They have exactly what they want as it is.
How do you think it came to be?
By accident? By mistake? By fault? By flaw?
Justice is you get what you postulate.
Therefore you have what you want at all times.
It's ok to change your mind, but you can't get rid of something
until you admit having wanted it in the first place.
People are God, God does not make mistakes, God only makes
masterpieces.
People WANT to have things they don't want, so they can pursue the
game of chase of making things better. Once they win the game, they
lose the chase, gotta have more things they don't want, so they can fight them,
otherwise they might as well go back to sleep, because no detested
realities means no chase means no game.
Thus detested realities are adorable.
Every single piece of anything that someone doesn't want, is
actually havingness to them, something they want to have to not want.
It can only be as-ised by spotting the wanting to have it!
Buddhism says that suffering comes from attachment, desiring things
that we want. This is nonsense, suffering comes from attachment to
SUFFERING, having things we don't want. Gotta have suffering if you
gonna spend the rest of time chasing peace and its attendant short lived
glories.
Attachment isn't a bad thing, its the way things work. Its the how
and why we can create games of chase and take them seriously.
THAT IS HAPPINESS.
A good deadly serious game of chase.
Those that SEEK enlightenment in order to escape unenlightenment
are doing so in order to NOT find enlightenment, because the last time
they had it, they created unenlightenment so they could enjoy a good
row. But in order to keep unenlightenment around, in order to enjoy their
games of chase, they have to hate unenlightenment and seek enlightenment
which forever puts it out of reach.
Whatever the person wants on the surface level he doesn't want, and
whatever he doesn't want he wants.
The alteris creates persistence, time and game.
Picture the game won and over, time ending, and everyone saying
good bye to the playing field, and you will know what sorrow really is.
Maybe some laughter too.
You figure out your upset on death yet?
Take whatever you think on the matter, write it down on
a piece of paper, and then reverse each item 180 degrees.
Homer
>
>
> Curiosus
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Curiosus <curiosus@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> For example the Tibetan Buddhist nun and princess Ani Patchen: leading
> 600 fighters on horseback against Chinese tanks in 1959, captured by
> the Chinese army, beaten, hung by her wrists for a week, a year in leg
> irons, nine months in solitary confinement with no light, in prison
> for 21 years, then walking for 25 days in the snow from Tibet to Nepal
> to escape another arrest, fighting until her death in 2002 to demand
> human rights for Tibetans. Low toned?
Happiness is in the chase.
If she had wanted serenity for ever above time she could have had
it, but she CHOSE to enter time and suffer.
Why do you contradict me?
Do the people in time not have any responsibility for their
condition?
Fair chosen is fair chosen.
That people 'seek' happiness is nonsense.
People HAVE happiness. They have exactly what they want as it is.
How do you think it came to be?
By accident? By mistake? By fault? By flaw?
Justice is you get what you postulate.
Therefore you have what you want at all times.
It's ok to change your mind, but you can't get rid of something
until you admit having wanted it in the first place.
People are God, God does not make mistakes, God only makes
masterpieces.
People WANT to have things they don't want, so they can pursue the
game of chase of making things better. Once they win the game, they
lose the chase, gotta have more things they don't want, so they can fight them,
otherwise they might as well go back to sleep, because no detested
realities means no chase means no game.
Thus detested realities are adorable.
Every single piece of anything that someone doesn't want, is
actually havingness to them, something they want to have to not want.
It can only be as-ised by spotting the wanting to have it!
Buddhism says that suffering comes from attachment, desiring things
that we want. This is nonsense, suffering comes from attachment to
SUFFERING, having things we don't want. Gotta have suffering if you
gonna spend the rest of time chasing peace and its attendant short lived
glories.
Attachment isn't a bad thing, its the way things work. Its the how
and why we can create games of chase and take them seriously.
THAT IS HAPPINESS.
A good deadly serious game of chase.
Those that SEEK enlightenment in order to escape unenlightenment
are doing so in order to NOT find enlightenment, because the last time
they had it, they created unenlightenment so they could enjoy a good
row. But in order to keep unenlightenment around, in order to enjoy their
games of chase, they have to hate unenlightenment and seek enlightenment
which forever puts it out of reach.
Whatever the person wants on the surface level he doesn't want, and
whatever he doesn't want he wants.
The alteris creates persistence, time and game.
Picture the game won and over, time ending, and everyone saying
good bye to the playing field, and you will know what sorrow really is.
Maybe some laughter too.
You figure out your upset on death yet?
Take whatever you think on the matter, write it down on
a piece of paper, and then reverse each item 180 degrees.
Homer
>
>
> Curiosus
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CHEMISTRY AND CONSCIOUSNESS
Ralph Hilton (ralph@ralphhilton.org) wrote:
>If God made pigs and pigs make shit, can God be said to be a shit?
No.
Thus if God made chemistry and chemistry made consciousness, then
God can not be said to be conscious as God is not made of chemistry.
Thus if God made space and time, and thus has no space or time
himself, and consciousness is a spacetime gizmo (machine), then God can
not be said to be conscious, because consciousness is a mechanical
creation of God, and God is not mechanical.
It can be reasonably doubted that there are two kinds of
consciousness, mechanical consciousness arising from spacetime mechanics
and non mechanical consciousness existing outside of space and time.
Most meatballs think that consciousness is chemistry bubbling away
at 98.6.
On the other hand if consciousness is not made of chemistry, if
consciousness is in fact not made of space or time, then consciousness
comes from the same roots of dimensionlessness that God does, and thus
it is quite reasonable to postulate that maybe God is conscious.
In fact one can reasonably wonder if all conscious units are not
God in carnation, in dreamtime.
Which is the first thing ever said (not by me) that makes any
sense on the subject of the relation between God and Soul.
Creature IS creator in carnation.
Homer
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Ralph Hilton (ralph@ralphhilton.org) wrote:
>If God made pigs and pigs make shit, can God be said to be a shit?
No.
Thus if God made chemistry and chemistry made consciousness, then
God can not be said to be conscious as God is not made of chemistry.
Thus if God made space and time, and thus has no space or time
himself, and consciousness is a spacetime gizmo (machine), then God can
not be said to be conscious, because consciousness is a mechanical
creation of God, and God is not mechanical.
It can be reasonably doubted that there are two kinds of
consciousness, mechanical consciousness arising from spacetime mechanics
and non mechanical consciousness existing outside of space and time.
Most meatballs think that consciousness is chemistry bubbling away
at 98.6.
On the other hand if consciousness is not made of chemistry, if
consciousness is in fact not made of space or time, then consciousness
comes from the same roots of dimensionlessness that God does, and thus
it is quite reasonable to postulate that maybe God is conscious.
In fact one can reasonably wonder if all conscious units are not
God in carnation, in dreamtime.
Which is the first thing ever said (not by me) that makes any
sense on the subject of the relation between God and Soul.
Creature IS creator in carnation.
Homer
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WHAT IS CASE GAIN?
SCI - 15
Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
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Case gain is relief.
Relief from loss.
Its a return to OTdom.
It is not the creation of a new OT where there was not one before.
At the top you have an OT who says, ok now I want to be this thing,
and I want to oppose that thing, and I want someone else to be that
thing and oppose me, and I have this goal, and they have an opposing
goal, and we are going to fight like the dickens to the bitter end.
And voila you have a football game.
But then pretty soon the OT gets bored with this arrangement, and
he says 'well I don't want to know any longer I set it up, I want it to
seem REAL.'
So pretty soon you have someone who is being something (which 'he
did not choose to be') and who has a goal (which 'he did not choose to
have') being fought by other people (whom 'he did not ask to join') who
wish to see him dead.
And at the bottom he is going 'Oh my God, I am losing this game
(which I didn't choose to lose) and if I lose it I will never be able to
play again.
This is loss. Wanting to live forever, and having to die. Wanting
to die and having to live forever.
Not being able to sleep for as long as you want.
Having your girlfriend walk out on you.
Having your ungirlfriend NOT walk out on you.
Charge is built up when ever something is gone for good that you
wanted to stay around, or when something stays around that you wanted to
be gone for good.
Case gain is the release of charge. It is accomplished by looking
at all the things the pc wants to have and can't have, or wants to not
have and must have, and all the considerations he has as to why he can't
or must have them.
Eventually you come up against the pc's WALL, that's the thing he
REALLY KNOWS will never change. And that is the core of his case.
It is what he uses to justify being mean and cruel, dishonest and
unethical, withholdy and secretive, and it is what he rues the most
about reality as it is.
It is his RUIN.
It is what he most considers is unchangeable and is where you will
find the key overt-motivator sequences on his case.
Most people are so swamped by charge they don't even dare know what
their ruin is anymore. It's not polite to remind them they hurt.
If you ask them they will say, 'Oh there's nothing wrong, the world
is fine'. If they are higher tone they will say something like 'No body
loves me' or 'Everyone treats me bad' or maybe even 'I don't want to
die'.
That's the surface manifestation.
Underneath there is enough garbage to sink New York City.
But under that is an sparkling OT, full of fun and mischief.
The purpose of auditing is to get the preclear to look, in a new
unit of time, at what he really wants, and what he really thinks about
not being able to have it, not just as a human being with a need to get
laid, but as an Immortal Spiritual Being with needs, desires and
aspirations that go beyond one life.
Some people can't imagine wanting more than one life.
Perhaps they have had too many already.
That's called a safe solution.
There is nothing more dangerous in this universe than a safe
solution.
The auditing of safe solutions is in fact a direct address to the
subject of danger itself.
This is because with out safe solutions you really can't get
yourself into much trouble in this universe.
This of course flies right in the teeth of the human point of view,
where safe solutions are considered precious.
But then we are not trying to make humans.
We are trying to make OT's.
Not sure why though, they just choose to become human again.
Well they don't HAVE to.
Someday I'll figure out the attraction. :)
Homer
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Case gain is relief.
Relief from loss.
Its a return to OTdom.
It is not the creation of a new OT where there was not one before.
At the top you have an OT who says, ok now I want to be this thing,
and I want to oppose that thing, and I want someone else to be that
thing and oppose me, and I have this goal, and they have an opposing
goal, and we are going to fight like the dickens to the bitter end.
And voila you have a football game.
But then pretty soon the OT gets bored with this arrangement, and
he says 'well I don't want to know any longer I set it up, I want it to
seem REAL.'
So pretty soon you have someone who is being something (which 'he
did not choose to be') and who has a goal (which 'he did not choose to
have') being fought by other people (whom 'he did not ask to join') who
wish to see him dead.
And at the bottom he is going 'Oh my God, I am losing this game
(which I didn't choose to lose) and if I lose it I will never be able to
play again.
This is loss. Wanting to live forever, and having to die. Wanting
to die and having to live forever.
Not being able to sleep for as long as you want.
Having your girlfriend walk out on you.
Having your ungirlfriend NOT walk out on you.
Charge is built up when ever something is gone for good that you
wanted to stay around, or when something stays around that you wanted to
be gone for good.
Case gain is the release of charge. It is accomplished by looking
at all the things the pc wants to have and can't have, or wants to not
have and must have, and all the considerations he has as to why he can't
or must have them.
Eventually you come up against the pc's WALL, that's the thing he
REALLY KNOWS will never change. And that is the core of his case.
It is what he uses to justify being mean and cruel, dishonest and
unethical, withholdy and secretive, and it is what he rues the most
about reality as it is.
It is his RUIN.
It is what he most considers is unchangeable and is where you will
find the key overt-motivator sequences on his case.
Most people are so swamped by charge they don't even dare know what
their ruin is anymore. It's not polite to remind them they hurt.
If you ask them they will say, 'Oh there's nothing wrong, the world
is fine'. If they are higher tone they will say something like 'No body
loves me' or 'Everyone treats me bad' or maybe even 'I don't want to
die'.
That's the surface manifestation.
Underneath there is enough garbage to sink New York City.
But under that is an sparkling OT, full of fun and mischief.
The purpose of auditing is to get the preclear to look, in a new
unit of time, at what he really wants, and what he really thinks about
not being able to have it, not just as a human being with a need to get
laid, but as an Immortal Spiritual Being with needs, desires and
aspirations that go beyond one life.
Some people can't imagine wanting more than one life.
Perhaps they have had too many already.
That's called a safe solution.
There is nothing more dangerous in this universe than a safe
solution.
The auditing of safe solutions is in fact a direct address to the
subject of danger itself.
This is because with out safe solutions you really can't get
yourself into much trouble in this universe.
This of course flies right in the teeth of the human point of view,
where safe solutions are considered precious.
But then we are not trying to make humans.
We are trying to make OT's.
Not sure why though, they just choose to become human again.
Well they don't HAVE to.
Someday I'll figure out the attraction. :)
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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FREE FEELING AND DEPENDENT FEELING.
In alt.clearing.technology Richard Ford <doorman.ford@googlemail.com> wrote:
>The reason this 'process' is so bizarre is that it misses the point of
>humor completely. This is laughter without humor. Laughter as
>drudgery. Laughter on command.
An OT can feel independent of surrounding circumstances.
Laughter is just another color in his palette, so the ability to
feel any emotion without reason is a sign of sanity.
Needing to have something ELSE be true before you can feel some way
or something is a sign of dependency to how things are.
Humor is release from sorrow, so the ability to feel both sorrow
and humor freely is paramount to being an OT.
The OT Power Protocol process makes this very clear.
Run repetitively to E/P:
1.) What power or ability would you like to have?
2.) What would you do with it?
3.) What would be the consequences of that?
4.) FEEL how you would feel if those consequences were true.
1.) What power or ability would you not like to have?
2.) What would you not do with it?
3.) What would be the consequences of that?
4.) FEEL how you would feel if those consequences were true.
The most critical line to do well is 4.) because it recovers for
the being the ability to feel how he would feel IF he had the ability
BEFORE he has the ability. That then leads to the ability to have the
ability.
Homer
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In alt.clearing.technology Richard Ford <doorman.ford@googlemail.com> wrote:
>The reason this 'process' is so bizarre is that it misses the point of
>humor completely. This is laughter without humor. Laughter as
>drudgery. Laughter on command.
An OT can feel independent of surrounding circumstances.
Laughter is just another color in his palette, so the ability to
feel any emotion without reason is a sign of sanity.
Needing to have something ELSE be true before you can feel some way
or something is a sign of dependency to how things are.
Humor is release from sorrow, so the ability to feel both sorrow
and humor freely is paramount to being an OT.
The OT Power Protocol process makes this very clear.
Run repetitively to E/P:
1.) What power or ability would you like to have?
2.) What would you do with it?
3.) What would be the consequences of that?
4.) FEEL how you would feel if those consequences were true.
1.) What power or ability would you not like to have?
2.) What would you not do with it?
3.) What would be the consequences of that?
4.) FEEL how you would feel if those consequences were true.
The most critical line to do well is 4.) because it recovers for
the being the ability to feel how he would feel IF he had the ability
BEFORE he has the ability. That then leads to the ability to have the
ability.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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COPYRIGHTS AND ADDICTION TO LIMITATION
The outcrys over copyrights are similar to the outcries of the
oil and gas companies when we finally find a free and unexhaustable
source of energy. They will complain how bad this is for business,
and right they are, its going to be terrible for them. And they will
do their best to squelch free energy just as the copyright holders
will do their best to squelch free communication, just as anyone
addicted to limitation will try to squelch empowerment.
One might argue that there is a difference between artists and
oil barrons trying to make a living, the oil barrons are being
replaced by another source of energy, but who will replace the
artists?
A world without *OIL* energy is a better world as long as there
is *OTHER* energy, but a world with out art? What will replace the
art and inventions and discoveries that have been fed by the royalty
hours and protected by the police state?
Nothing of course, people will have to produce for the mere joy
of it, and get their reward by counter production on the part of
others.
Fame will become payment enough, the final coin of the realm.
You can't eat fame you say? Think about it.
Homer
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COPYRIGHTS AND ADDICTION TO LIMITATION
The outcrys over copyrights are similar to the outcries of the
oil and gas companies when we finally find a free and unexhaustable
source of energy. They will complain how bad this is for business,
and right they are, its going to be terrible for them. And they will
do their best to squelch free energy just as the copyright holders
will do their best to squelch free communication, just as anyone
addicted to limitation will try to squelch empowerment.
One might argue that there is a difference between artists and
oil barrons trying to make a living, the oil barrons are being
replaced by another source of energy, but who will replace the
artists?
A world without *OIL* energy is a better world as long as there
is *OTHER* energy, but a world with out art? What will replace the
art and inventions and discoveries that have been fed by the royalty
hours and protected by the police state?
Nothing of course, people will have to produce for the mere joy
of it, and get their reward by counter production on the part of
others.
Fame will become payment enough, the final coin of the realm.
You can't eat fame you say? Think about it.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Sunday, June 14, 2020
SPIRIT OF PLAY AND THE QUALMS
SPIRIT OF PLAY AND QUALMS
The universe acts as you expect it to act.
An expectation is a causal postulate, not an observed learningness.
One commits to expectations by acting now on the expectation that
things will happen as you expect them to.
The action now acts as a commitment of good faith that you actually
expect things to turn out that way.
For example, you expect to get a contract to host an $800/month
server. You commit to this expectation by investing in a computer rack,
air conditioning, and electricity. All before you have any idea of
where that server is coming from. You want to be prepared.
Momentarily you doubt that the contract will materialize and now
you have 'wasted' your money by purchasing these resources of
preparedness. That doubt leads to the qualms, should I have or
shouldn't I have?
Also should I continue to invest or not?
The problem is that other's are also expecting the universe to act
in many different ways, mostly negative.
Thus to change the shared universe, one has to change how other's
relate to their own expectations, namely come to consider them cause
rather than learned effect.
This is the observation consideration flip flop.
It is almost impossible to be the only one surviving well in the
world alone, one can do this in dreams, and the waking state is a dream,
but other's postulates rule as well as your own, in both worlds, more so
in the waking dream.
Thus solving this problem of getting the world to act as you expect
it to is an immense undertaking.
Certain understandings are necessary.
If you believe in the "God is Author" theory of existence, then
authorship is not just of stories with characters, but of games and
players of games. God as author creates games, then jumps into them as
character to play them.
There is game creation, game playing, and being a game piece.
What game would be worth creating?
What game would be worth playing?
What game would be worth being a piece in?
If a game is worth playing, does one have to win it to make it so?
Can a game be worth *PLAYING* without concern about winning or losing?
To the mortal meatball or hell bound, most games of survival are
games of winning the right to continue playing games at all. Death for
most is not only loss of present game, but loss FOREVER of all games
period.
Once the survival of games to play is at stake, games become
serious. Once the survival of games is at stake FOREVER, then games
become serious FOREVER.
It might be said that there are only 4 tones on the tone scale.
1.) Peace
2.) Spirit of Play
3.) Qualms
4.) Death
Peace is the authorship state, the game creator state.
Spirit of play is the play state. Spirit of play is a full out, no
holds barred, no thought for the future, may the best man win
engagement.
Qualms is the wondering if one wants to play.
Death results from qualms.
There are two ways to leave a game, go up towards peace or down
towards death. Death is basically a mesh of excuses as to why one can
not play but must play.
All games involve indecisions about what to DO, these are fine.
The qualms is an indecision if one should PLAY or be in the game at
all.
If one really wants to withdraw from a game, one withdraws upwards
towards peace, timelessness, creatorship and no more involvement.
The problem with that is the game will tend to disappear.
If the game has become 'precious' one will try to stop the play in
the middle of the battle field, stop time so to speak, to give one a
time out, some breathing room to think about whether 'this is a good
idea' to be in this game or not. It's an effort to have the game, and
not play it.
That's the qualms.
Of course one's head will go rolling shortly after from inaction
and indecision, since real world games don't much listen to requests for
time outs.
Too many indecisions about playing while remaining in the game,
lead to a kind of 'glue' that eventually becomes spiritual death at
-400.00 on the tone scale.
That's not body death, that's dead thetan, no more game playing,
not because of peace but because of glue.
Don't worry its not forever, but it is made of 'forevers', in
particular worry about forevers and resistance to forevers, not one of
which actually exist.
Piece of cake to audit, and easy enough to train for.
Get yourself a big marble and put it on the table.
Now say to the marble:
"Contemplate not being a marble."
"Contemplate being a marble."
E/P is marble is back at spirit of play again and knows how to
avoid the qualms and becoming a marble again, unless it should so choose
to do so.
Thus in game playing, how do we expect the universe to act?
Well mostly we expect one of us to win and the other to lose. In
the world of business and competition for survival, either you get the
contract or the other guy does.
In a world where losing a game or causing another to lose a game
can be a death sentence to being able to play forever more, for you, him
or his loved ones, we don't feel good about this, and thus we drop down
from full spirit of play to qualms.
Then of course we lose and the other guy wins.
He who hesitates is quite lost.
As spirits we can try to look for win-win games, but that isn't the
universe of taking care of bodies, where some must win and some must
lose, or else no evolution would take place and the whole world would
die (lose) of over population.
It is possible to do well as a body in a small bubble of the hell
around you, for a while, until others blow the planet to smithereens
with their bigotry, or an asteroid comes in on an unprepared world, or
the sun goes super nova, or the Big Bang dies out or reverts.
So ultimately the game of taking care of the body is a game no one
can win: the game is to see how long you can survive into the certainty
that one day you won't survive anyhow. That's a rough game, enough to
give anyone the willies.
How long can you put off a death sentence?
Nice game.
Personal postulates in a matrix of many personal postulates are by
nature limited, that is how it was intended to be.
But then trying to make things go right in a matrix that is playing
the death sentence game is quite something else.
One at least has to understand that in a matrix of personal
postulates, your postulates about other people's postulates are at least
as important as the end products you are trying to postulate into being.
It may sound crazy but you can change another's mind by postulate
alone a lot easier than you can move the marble on the table.
Unless of course you are auditing it.
One can say that being sub death, trying to take care of bodies,
protect, own, control, worship, sacrifice to, get smiles from them, and
do well by them etc, is an aberrated game, but it is the game that is
being played.
One probably can not withdraw from it, until one has ENTERED it
fully without complaint and re rendered it back into rip roaring spirit
of play, kamikaze and all.
So what if his kids die because you won the contract. You might
consider hiring them before they expire.
But it won't always go that way.
Spirit of play means may the best man win. It means it.
Perhaps then one may well understand the 'ludicrous demise' of
Adore, and be able to leave the game with full appreciation of having
entered it in the first place and grateful for having had the
opportunity to do so, at so many people's expense.
They chose after all, just as you did.
And its not forever, no matter how much they and you believe it is.
Until then one will be stuck playing it.
But in spite of all of the above, the universe does act as we
expect it to.
Thus the final OT VIII question is
"What do you expect (of the future)?"
"Who or what determines that expectation?"
E/P, the universe acts as you expect it to act. :)
But earlier expectations override later expections, as expected.
Other OT VIIIers are
"What determines how you feel?"
"How do you feel about your eternal future?"
"Who mind have you tried to change, how has/is trying to
change your mind."
Don't run them as questions or end up dead.
Homer
Sat Jun 23 16:33:25 EDT 2018
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The universe acts as you expect it to act.
An expectation is a causal postulate, not an observed learningness.
One commits to expectations by acting now on the expectation that
things will happen as you expect them to.
The action now acts as a commitment of good faith that you actually
expect things to turn out that way.
For example, you expect to get a contract to host an $800/month
server. You commit to this expectation by investing in a computer rack,
air conditioning, and electricity. All before you have any idea of
where that server is coming from. You want to be prepared.
Momentarily you doubt that the contract will materialize and now
you have 'wasted' your money by purchasing these resources of
preparedness. That doubt leads to the qualms, should I have or
shouldn't I have?
Also should I continue to invest or not?
The problem is that other's are also expecting the universe to act
in many different ways, mostly negative.
Thus to change the shared universe, one has to change how other's
relate to their own expectations, namely come to consider them cause
rather than learned effect.
This is the observation consideration flip flop.
It is almost impossible to be the only one surviving well in the
world alone, one can do this in dreams, and the waking state is a dream,
but other's postulates rule as well as your own, in both worlds, more so
in the waking dream.
Thus solving this problem of getting the world to act as you expect
it to is an immense undertaking.
Certain understandings are necessary.
If you believe in the "God is Author" theory of existence, then
authorship is not just of stories with characters, but of games and
players of games. God as author creates games, then jumps into them as
character to play them.
There is game creation, game playing, and being a game piece.
What game would be worth creating?
What game would be worth playing?
What game would be worth being a piece in?
If a game is worth playing, does one have to win it to make it so?
Can a game be worth *PLAYING* without concern about winning or losing?
To the mortal meatball or hell bound, most games of survival are
games of winning the right to continue playing games at all. Death for
most is not only loss of present game, but loss FOREVER of all games
period.
Once the survival of games to play is at stake, games become
serious. Once the survival of games is at stake FOREVER, then games
become serious FOREVER.
It might be said that there are only 4 tones on the tone scale.
1.) Peace
2.) Spirit of Play
3.) Qualms
4.) Death
Peace is the authorship state, the game creator state.
Spirit of play is the play state. Spirit of play is a full out, no
holds barred, no thought for the future, may the best man win
engagement.
Qualms is the wondering if one wants to play.
Death results from qualms.
There are two ways to leave a game, go up towards peace or down
towards death. Death is basically a mesh of excuses as to why one can
not play but must play.
All games involve indecisions about what to DO, these are fine.
The qualms is an indecision if one should PLAY or be in the game at
all.
If one really wants to withdraw from a game, one withdraws upwards
towards peace, timelessness, creatorship and no more involvement.
The problem with that is the game will tend to disappear.
If the game has become 'precious' one will try to stop the play in
the middle of the battle field, stop time so to speak, to give one a
time out, some breathing room to think about whether 'this is a good
idea' to be in this game or not. It's an effort to have the game, and
not play it.
That's the qualms.
Of course one's head will go rolling shortly after from inaction
and indecision, since real world games don't much listen to requests for
time outs.
Too many indecisions about playing while remaining in the game,
lead to a kind of 'glue' that eventually becomes spiritual death at
-400.00 on the tone scale.
That's not body death, that's dead thetan, no more game playing,
not because of peace but because of glue.
Don't worry its not forever, but it is made of 'forevers', in
particular worry about forevers and resistance to forevers, not one of
which actually exist.
Piece of cake to audit, and easy enough to train for.
Get yourself a big marble and put it on the table.
Now say to the marble:
"Contemplate not being a marble."
"Contemplate being a marble."
E/P is marble is back at spirit of play again and knows how to
avoid the qualms and becoming a marble again, unless it should so choose
to do so.
Thus in game playing, how do we expect the universe to act?
Well mostly we expect one of us to win and the other to lose. In
the world of business and competition for survival, either you get the
contract or the other guy does.
In a world where losing a game or causing another to lose a game
can be a death sentence to being able to play forever more, for you, him
or his loved ones, we don't feel good about this, and thus we drop down
from full spirit of play to qualms.
Then of course we lose and the other guy wins.
He who hesitates is quite lost.
As spirits we can try to look for win-win games, but that isn't the
universe of taking care of bodies, where some must win and some must
lose, or else no evolution would take place and the whole world would
die (lose) of over population.
It is possible to do well as a body in a small bubble of the hell
around you, for a while, until others blow the planet to smithereens
with their bigotry, or an asteroid comes in on an unprepared world, or
the sun goes super nova, or the Big Bang dies out or reverts.
So ultimately the game of taking care of the body is a game no one
can win: the game is to see how long you can survive into the certainty
that one day you won't survive anyhow. That's a rough game, enough to
give anyone the willies.
How long can you put off a death sentence?
Nice game.
Personal postulates in a matrix of many personal postulates are by
nature limited, that is how it was intended to be.
But then trying to make things go right in a matrix that is playing
the death sentence game is quite something else.
One at least has to understand that in a matrix of personal
postulates, your postulates about other people's postulates are at least
as important as the end products you are trying to postulate into being.
It may sound crazy but you can change another's mind by postulate
alone a lot easier than you can move the marble on the table.
Unless of course you are auditing it.
One can say that being sub death, trying to take care of bodies,
protect, own, control, worship, sacrifice to, get smiles from them, and
do well by them etc, is an aberrated game, but it is the game that is
being played.
One probably can not withdraw from it, until one has ENTERED it
fully without complaint and re rendered it back into rip roaring spirit
of play, kamikaze and all.
So what if his kids die because you won the contract. You might
consider hiring them before they expire.
But it won't always go that way.
Spirit of play means may the best man win. It means it.
Perhaps then one may well understand the 'ludicrous demise' of
Adore, and be able to leave the game with full appreciation of having
entered it in the first place and grateful for having had the
opportunity to do so, at so many people's expense.
They chose after all, just as you did.
And its not forever, no matter how much they and you believe it is.
Until then one will be stuck playing it.
But in spite of all of the above, the universe does act as we
expect it to.
Thus the final OT VIII question is
"What do you expect (of the future)?"
"Who or what determines that expectation?"
E/P, the universe acts as you expect it to act. :)
But earlier expectations override later expections, as expected.
Other OT VIIIers are
"What determines how you feel?"
"How do you feel about your eternal future?"
"Who mind have you tried to change, how has/is trying to
change your mind."
Don't run them as questions or end up dead.
Homer
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.DE LITE (freesolo@EGOfreenet.de) wrote:
>> and try to make them other
>> than what a man should be.
>The question is WHAT "should" a man be ?
>What ELSE "could" a man be - other than MAN ?
In any given sphere of activity where a being has just
entered it,
Child = Master of Total Irresponsibility
Woman = Master of Defense
Man = Master of Offense
God = Master of Total Responsibility
CHILD Mimickry Body Trade Business
Woman Harmony Heart Expression Art
Man Counterpoint Mind Discovery Science
God New Beat Soul Creation Religion
A man SHOULD be a Master of Offense.
A woman SHOULD be a Master of Defense.
The mortal woman, being jealous of man's greater glory, freedom
and responsibility, refuses to allow him to grow beyond master of
defense which is his own woman phase of development. She also refuses
to allow the man to successfully complete his own master of defense
development lest she have to admit he is better at it than she.
When the man manages to grow into master of offense inspite of
the woman, the woman refuses to acknowledge and operate in the man
this capacity: 'women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle.' They
mean it too and their male sons show it. Such women can't even
conceive of what the proper operating sphere of a man is. They think
a man is some kind of damaged woman.
"The idea that men have something wrong with them that women
don't, is something women have wrong with them that men don't." - Adore
In this over populated society where having families and children
is passe, some women feel they can live without men. Of course many
bigger woman can. But most survive because of the surrounding
civilization that envelops them, chisled out of the earth, built and
designed on average mostly by men.
Most women can drive a car true, but they haven't a clue how it
works, and it is a herculean task to teach them how it works, let
alone expect them to make the next step in its development.
The woman phase being operates out of the heart not the mind.
Also many beings are in female bodies who are actually in a male
phase of development, so they tend to be out with the boys on the
frontier becoming masters of offense themselves.
And also there are a lot of beings in male bodies who are
practicing up on their woman phases of developement and would prefer
to stay home with the children.
Beings can have many different goals each in a different phase
of developement, child, woman, man or God.
On average however, a being in a male phase of developement on
his primary goals will prefer to have a male body, and a being in a
women phase will prefer a female body.
One however needs the understanding that one has lived before,
and will live again if one wants, and that womanhood is a phase of
developement through manhood to godhood, and that one can be child,
woman, man or God, and is not permanently stuck forever in one or the
other. This kills off the jealously and the overts of deportage that
result.
Take any mortal woman and put them on a meter and ask them what
they think of their tits.
You will find the moment they decided they were stuck in the
woman phase forever and the beginning of the continuous overt life
against men and the child sons.
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.DE LITE (freesolo@EGOfreenet.de) wrote:
>> and try to make them other
>> than what a man should be.
>The question is WHAT "should" a man be ?
>What ELSE "could" a man be - other than MAN ?
In any given sphere of activity where a being has just
entered it,
Child = Master of Total Irresponsibility
Woman = Master of Defense
Man = Master of Offense
God = Master of Total Responsibility
CHILD Mimickry Body Trade Business
Woman Harmony Heart Expression Art
Man Counterpoint Mind Discovery Science
God New Beat Soul Creation Religion
A man SHOULD be a Master of Offense.
A woman SHOULD be a Master of Defense.
The mortal woman, being jealous of man's greater glory, freedom
and responsibility, refuses to allow him to grow beyond master of
defense which is his own woman phase of development. She also refuses
to allow the man to successfully complete his own master of defense
development lest she have to admit he is better at it than she.
When the man manages to grow into master of offense inspite of
the woman, the woman refuses to acknowledge and operate in the man
this capacity: 'women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle.' They
mean it too and their male sons show it. Such women can't even
conceive of what the proper operating sphere of a man is. They think
a man is some kind of damaged woman.
"The idea that men have something wrong with them that women
don't, is something women have wrong with them that men don't." - Adore
In this over populated society where having families and children
is passe, some women feel they can live without men. Of course many
bigger woman can. But most survive because of the surrounding
civilization that envelops them, chisled out of the earth, built and
designed on average mostly by men.
Most women can drive a car true, but they haven't a clue how it
works, and it is a herculean task to teach them how it works, let
alone expect them to make the next step in its development.
The woman phase being operates out of the heart not the mind.
Also many beings are in female bodies who are actually in a male
phase of development, so they tend to be out with the boys on the
frontier becoming masters of offense themselves.
And also there are a lot of beings in male bodies who are
practicing up on their woman phases of developement and would prefer
to stay home with the children.
Beings can have many different goals each in a different phase
of developement, child, woman, man or God.
On average however, a being in a male phase of developement on
his primary goals will prefer to have a male body, and a being in a
women phase will prefer a female body.
One however needs the understanding that one has lived before,
and will live again if one wants, and that womanhood is a phase of
developement through manhood to godhood, and that one can be child,
woman, man or God, and is not permanently stuck forever in one or the
other. This kills off the jealously and the overts of deportage that
result.
Take any mortal woman and put them on a meter and ask them what
they think of their tits.
You will find the moment they decided they were stuck in the
woman phase forever and the beginning of the continuous overt life
against men and the child sons.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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09/22/10 Wednesday 4:59pm EST
OT's AND THE GOVERNMENT
> "It was also Rothwell's origination that government intelligence
> agencies considered Scientology to be a national security risk because
> of the threat of OTs exteriorizing and spying on them..."
>
>
> "I told him that even if they had the OT levels they would not make any
> OTs and their plan would not work. He could not imagine why that would
> be. I said because of ethics, because beings were basically good, and I
> couldn't see anybody making case gain over an evil purpose..."
This would be a very big mistake, as Evil is a relative term.
First OT's are not 'good' in the human character sense, but good in
the Author creator sense.
An OT will side with the underdog, because he is siding with the
existence of the GAME, not the existence of any particular side. This
is pandeterminism.
The idea that OT's are some kind of superman or super human is
highly destructive to producing OT's.
OT's are TRANS human, trans character, they weild the sword of
Excalibur, whose blade is lined with the dicoms of life AND death, good
AND bad, love AND hate, beauty AND ugly.
The idea that OT's want to free people needs to be understood in
this light, it is wrong. Their motive is to optimize the game of
freedom and enslavement.
To pretty it up, and make it more interesting.
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OT's AND THE GOVERNMENT
> "It was also Rothwell's origination that government intelligence
> agencies considered Scientology to be a national security risk because
> of the threat of OTs exteriorizing and spying on them..."
>
>
> "I told him that even if they had the OT levels they would not make any
> OTs and their plan would not work. He could not imagine why that would
> be. I said because of ethics, because beings were basically good, and I
> couldn't see anybody making case gain over an evil purpose..."
This would be a very big mistake, as Evil is a relative term.
First OT's are not 'good' in the human character sense, but good in
the Author creator sense.
An OT will side with the underdog, because he is siding with the
existence of the GAME, not the existence of any particular side. This
is pandeterminism.
The idea that OT's are some kind of superman or super human is
highly destructive to producing OT's.
OT's are TRANS human, trans character, they weild the sword of
Excalibur, whose blade is lined with the dicoms of life AND death, good
AND bad, love AND hate, beauty AND ugly.
The idea that OT's want to free people needs to be understood in
this light, it is wrong. Their motive is to optimize the game of
freedom and enslavement.
To pretty it up, and make it more interesting.
Homer
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IN AND OUT
This in response to the exchange below.
It's subtle.
*WHY* do you want out of here?
If it is from lack of admiration for being here, THAT sticks you.
If you resent ever having been here, no appreciation for ludicrous
demise, if you hope never to come back, and damn the day you ever came in,
then of course you are stuck, because lack of responsibility as knowing
willing cause IS what makes anything persist including your condition in
it. You can only control what you are willing to put there. Once the
willingness and appreciation to HAVE it is in place, it won't last more
than a few seconds or until the next time you get distracted from it.
If you can contact the aesthetic to coming in, then you WILL be out,
and will be able to choose to not come in again, or come in again slightly
rearranged so its more fun.
Coming in gets you out because you have to be out in order to come in.
So the only way to get stuck here and stay in, is to hate being here
and want to get out forever more. That's an alteris on the original ARC
with coming in for a while.
You can get out, but only if you are riding on the aesthetic of being
in. Wanting out is not the problem, its cursing being in, wanting to
never have come in, wanting to be out in a place that never would come in,
ever again forever and ever amen.
If one fully appreciates the worthwhileness of the entire while of
being in, then of course one IS out, because as soon as one came in, one
HAD to make it all look horrible to make sure it stayed around. Its too
easy to wake up out of dreams if you love them to pieces.
If you hate them desperately, why you can stay around forever.
So infinite heaven has to be altered into an infinite hell in order for
anything to persist in time for more than a few self fading seconds.
The main way of doing this is to consider a forever onto a while,
either good or bad, must always be, must never be etc.
Homer
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, M wrote:
> Hi Homer,
>
> Thanks for the sage advice.
>
> So, essentially, saying "I want out of here." embeds you more *in* here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> M
>
> On 07/01/14 23:17, Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I never heard of the book.
>>
>> The way out is the way in.
>>
>> Figure out how and why you came in, and practice coming in,
>> and you will BE out, because coming in, postulates you are out.
>>
>> Being in and trying to get out, postulates you are in, so you are.
>>
>> Homer
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:05:30 +0000
>>> From: m
>>> To: homerwsmith@lightlink.com, jes@lightlink.com
>>> Subject: Cordial greetings
>>>
>>> Hi Homer,
>>>
>>> I don't know if you remember me, I was a denizen of alt.clearing years
>>> ago along with such luminaries as yourself, Enid Vien and many others.
>>>
>>> Recently (after a four month stay in hospital) I have experienced a
>>> certain resurgence of interest in things clearing/auditing related and I
>>> am interested in getting hold of a copy of 'The Little Purple Book of
>>> How to Escape from this Universe'.
>>>
>>> I was trying to get it from
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html but I
>>> have had difficulty obtaining it, though I note that some of your
>>> Electra/ADORE material is there.
>>>
>>> So can you help me out, please? Perhaps point me in the right direction
>>> to get it?
>>>
>>> Clearly the mailing list addresses at
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html are
>>> ancient and inactive.
>>>
>>> Many thanks and wishing you the very best.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>
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IN AND OUT
This in response to the exchange below.
It's subtle.
*WHY* do you want out of here?
If it is from lack of admiration for being here, THAT sticks you.
If you resent ever having been here, no appreciation for ludicrous
demise, if you hope never to come back, and damn the day you ever came in,
then of course you are stuck, because lack of responsibility as knowing
willing cause IS what makes anything persist including your condition in
it. You can only control what you are willing to put there. Once the
willingness and appreciation to HAVE it is in place, it won't last more
than a few seconds or until the next time you get distracted from it.
If you can contact the aesthetic to coming in, then you WILL be out,
and will be able to choose to not come in again, or come in again slightly
rearranged so its more fun.
Coming in gets you out because you have to be out in order to come in.
So the only way to get stuck here and stay in, is to hate being here
and want to get out forever more. That's an alteris on the original ARC
with coming in for a while.
You can get out, but only if you are riding on the aesthetic of being
in. Wanting out is not the problem, its cursing being in, wanting to
never have come in, wanting to be out in a place that never would come in,
ever again forever and ever amen.
If one fully appreciates the worthwhileness of the entire while of
being in, then of course one IS out, because as soon as one came in, one
HAD to make it all look horrible to make sure it stayed around. Its too
easy to wake up out of dreams if you love them to pieces.
If you hate them desperately, why you can stay around forever.
So infinite heaven has to be altered into an infinite hell in order for
anything to persist in time for more than a few self fading seconds.
The main way of doing this is to consider a forever onto a while,
either good or bad, must always be, must never be etc.
Homer
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, M wrote:
> Hi Homer,
>
> Thanks for the sage advice.
>
> So, essentially, saying "I want out of here." embeds you more *in* here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> M
>
> On 07/01/14 23:17, Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I never heard of the book.
>>
>> The way out is the way in.
>>
>> Figure out how and why you came in, and practice coming in,
>> and you will BE out, because coming in, postulates you are out.
>>
>> Being in and trying to get out, postulates you are in, so you are.
>>
>> Homer
>>
>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:05:30 +0000
>>> From: m
>>> To: homerwsmith@lightlink.com, jes@lightlink.com
>>> Subject: Cordial greetings
>>>
>>> Hi Homer,
>>>
>>> I don't know if you remember me, I was a denizen of alt.clearing years
>>> ago along with such luminaries as yourself, Enid Vien and many others.
>>>
>>> Recently (after a four month stay in hospital) I have experienced a
>>> certain resurgence of interest in things clearing/auditing related and I
>>> am interested in getting hold of a copy of 'The Little Purple Book of
>>> How to Escape from this Universe'.
>>>
>>> I was trying to get it from
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html but I
>>> have had difficulty obtaining it, though I note that some of your
>>> Electra/ADORE material is there.
>>>
>>> So can you help me out, please? Perhaps point me in the right direction
>>> to get it?
>>>
>>> Clearly the mailing list addresses at
>>> http://www.freezoneearth.org/littlepurplenotebook/contents.html are
>>> ancient and inactive.
>>>
>>> Many thanks and wishing you the very best.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>
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CAN'T AND WON'T
Run,
"What can't you do?"
"What won't you do?"
"What can you do?"
"What will you do?"
Or,
Get the idea of I can't.
Get the idea of I won't.
Get the idea of I can.
Get the idea of I will.
E/P: Able and willing to be unable and able, willing and unwilling.
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CAN'T AND WON'T
Run,
"What can't you do?"
"What won't you do?"
"What can you do?"
"What will you do?"
Or,
Get the idea of I can't.
Get the idea of I won't.
Get the idea of I can.
Get the idea of I will.
E/P: Able and willing to be unable and able, willing and unwilling.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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HOM34 (fwd)
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PILOT and CO PILOT
Adore considers that there can be only one pilot in the family,
the pilot's decisions are adhered to when there is absolute
irreconcilable disagreement.
Whether the man or the woman is the pilot is unimportant, but
Adore would suggest that if the woman is pilot she is matched with an
inferior man unworthy of her.
"Pilot and Co Pilot
Your family and life are like an airplane,
Once it takes off, it can't land just anywhere, lest all die.
In such a case it is always wise to have TWO pilots, in case one
errs obviously.
But what happens when there is absolute disagreement?
One must be deferred to, particularly when no decision is worse
than a wrong decision.
Co-Pilots choose their Pilots for the moments when the Pilot is
wrong.
Co-Pilots usually will not settle for a Pilot that does not have
3 or 4 times the experience.
STAR DRIVE
So, women listen closely.
Your family is a Star Ship.
A ship of stars, star captains and star capability.
You are Co-Pilot.
So pick your Pilots wisely then,
And your children with be Pilots too."
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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PILOT and CO PILOT
Adore considers that there can be only one pilot in the family,
the pilot's decisions are adhered to when there is absolute
irreconcilable disagreement.
Whether the man or the woman is the pilot is unimportant, but
Adore would suggest that if the woman is pilot she is matched with an
inferior man unworthy of her.
"Pilot and Co Pilot
Your family and life are like an airplane,
Once it takes off, it can't land just anywhere, lest all die.
In such a case it is always wise to have TWO pilots, in case one
errs obviously.
But what happens when there is absolute disagreement?
One must be deferred to, particularly when no decision is worse
than a wrong decision.
Co-Pilots choose their Pilots for the moments when the Pilot is
wrong.
Co-Pilots usually will not settle for a Pilot that does not have
3 or 4 times the experience.
STAR DRIVE
So, women listen closely.
Your family is a Star Ship.
A ship of stars, star captains and star capability.
You are Co-Pilot.
So pick your Pilots wisely then,
And your children with be Pilots too."
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Thursday, June 4, 2020
ADORE703 (fwd)
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TO DREAM OR NOT TO DREAM
Dennis,
It doesn't matter whether someone is a meatball who believes that
the physical universe is actual and he is made of it, or a dreamball who
believes the physical universe is a dream in his own consciousness.
However none of scientology, particularly the OT stuff will make
any sense to the meatball because the causations within the PU do not
allow for such powers, past lives etc.
In trying to understand Hubbard it is critical that everyone
understand that he was a dream ball, claimed to be the reincarnation of
Buddha, so he is working from a world view where consciousness makes
dreams of MEST and survives the death of the dream body.
It is fine to say that Scners are just a bunch of kooks, but this
misses just how much of kook we all really are, and you must remember
that more than half of the world's population believes the world is a
dream.
So my goal here is not get anyone to exteriorize from the dream and
wake up, but only to get them see what they are up against, so that
proper communication can take place.
Otherwise you get meatballs trying to argue with dreamballs but
thinking they are meatballs too, and that leads to an incredibility, how
could anyone believe in OT powers etc.
If meatballism is true, then OT powers do not exist.
If dreamballism is true, then everone is God in Carnation and OT
powers are a forgone conclusion, including the apparency of their
absence as the whole universe is created via OT power.
A very powerful theorem exists which the meatballs ignore, EVEN IF
MEATBALLISM IS TRUE.
THEOREM: It is impossible to prove or show conclusive evidence that
you are not dreaming at any instant of time.
In otherwords you can do anything in a dream you can do awake, and
since all anyone has ever seen of the physical universe is their own
conscious rendition of it, there is in fact no direct evidence of the
existence of the physical universe EXCEPT their rendition of it.
So, like a sleep dreamer who thinks he is awake until he wakes up,
just so are people sleep dreaming even now, until they wake up at death
or earlier through auditing. Then they go lucid, meaning they stay in
the dream but retain awareness they are dreaming.
By saying that YOU are just a human who never created anything, you
are saying that Hubbard was just a human who never created anything.
That misses the enormity of your own existence and Hubbard's, and
the enormity of what in fact Hubbard tried to create and failed. If his
intentions were evil, then the world is a world of gods up against an
evil god, not a world of humans up against an evil human.
As for Scners, most of them have an inner sense that OT powers are
real, cuz they are and they been there done that and bought the body,
but they are still asleep, they too believe in the apparencies of the
phyiscal universe, just like any meatball, and they have not yet
realized they will have to give up that apparency in order to attain
those powers.
That's like the sleep dreamer who is just aware enough to say "Hey
you know this isn't where I live", but not aware enough to then say "Oh
whaddya know this is a dream!"
So he gets into a fight with a meatball in the dream who says 'Yes
this is the place you live, there is no other place', "No it isn't, I am
just sure I live somewhere else", "You are nuts!", "I am not!" rather
than realizing he is in a dream and responding to the meatball "YOU ARE
A BT! What are you? Who are you? How many are you?" and going on
about his dream now knowing it is a dream and even remembering some of
what the world looks like when he does wake up.
But that's just another dream, until he reaches the top which is
static snooze.
Not asking for agreement, but do you understand Dennis?
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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TO DREAM OR NOT TO DREAM
Dennis,
It doesn't matter whether someone is a meatball who believes that
the physical universe is actual and he is made of it, or a dreamball who
believes the physical universe is a dream in his own consciousness.
However none of scientology, particularly the OT stuff will make
any sense to the meatball because the causations within the PU do not
allow for such powers, past lives etc.
In trying to understand Hubbard it is critical that everyone
understand that he was a dream ball, claimed to be the reincarnation of
Buddha, so he is working from a world view where consciousness makes
dreams of MEST and survives the death of the dream body.
It is fine to say that Scners are just a bunch of kooks, but this
misses just how much of kook we all really are, and you must remember
that more than half of the world's population believes the world is a
dream.
So my goal here is not get anyone to exteriorize from the dream and
wake up, but only to get them see what they are up against, so that
proper communication can take place.
Otherwise you get meatballs trying to argue with dreamballs but
thinking they are meatballs too, and that leads to an incredibility, how
could anyone believe in OT powers etc.
If meatballism is true, then OT powers do not exist.
If dreamballism is true, then everone is God in Carnation and OT
powers are a forgone conclusion, including the apparency of their
absence as the whole universe is created via OT power.
A very powerful theorem exists which the meatballs ignore, EVEN IF
MEATBALLISM IS TRUE.
THEOREM: It is impossible to prove or show conclusive evidence that
you are not dreaming at any instant of time.
In otherwords you can do anything in a dream you can do awake, and
since all anyone has ever seen of the physical universe is their own
conscious rendition of it, there is in fact no direct evidence of the
existence of the physical universe EXCEPT their rendition of it.
So, like a sleep dreamer who thinks he is awake until he wakes up,
just so are people sleep dreaming even now, until they wake up at death
or earlier through auditing. Then they go lucid, meaning they stay in
the dream but retain awareness they are dreaming.
By saying that YOU are just a human who never created anything, you
are saying that Hubbard was just a human who never created anything.
That misses the enormity of your own existence and Hubbard's, and
the enormity of what in fact Hubbard tried to create and failed. If his
intentions were evil, then the world is a world of gods up against an
evil god, not a world of humans up against an evil human.
As for Scners, most of them have an inner sense that OT powers are
real, cuz they are and they been there done that and bought the body,
but they are still asleep, they too believe in the apparencies of the
phyiscal universe, just like any meatball, and they have not yet
realized they will have to give up that apparency in order to attain
those powers.
That's like the sleep dreamer who is just aware enough to say "Hey
you know this isn't where I live", but not aware enough to then say "Oh
whaddya know this is a dream!"
So he gets into a fight with a meatball in the dream who says 'Yes
this is the place you live, there is no other place', "No it isn't, I am
just sure I live somewhere else", "You are nuts!", "I am not!" rather
than realizing he is in a dream and responding to the meatball "YOU ARE
A BT! What are you? Who are you? How many are you?" and going on
about his dream now knowing it is a dream and even remembering some of
what the world looks like when he does wake up.
But that's just another dream, until he reaches the top which is
static snooze.
Not asking for agreement, but do you understand Dennis?
Homer
Tue Jan 26 20:18:47 EST 2010
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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ADORE909 (fwd)
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LETTER TO ENID
Dear Enid,
Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.
I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.
You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.
Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.
Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.
Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:
BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION
Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.
Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.
I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like
Do you feel you need your body for you survive?
Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?
Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?
Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?
If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.
This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.
I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.
My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.
It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"
The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.
The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.
Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.
You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.
Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LETTER TO ENID
Dear Enid,
Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.
I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.
You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.
Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.
Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.
Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:
BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION
Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.
Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.
I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like
Do you feel you need your body for you survive?
Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?
Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?
Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?
If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.
This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.
I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.
My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.
It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"
The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.
The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.
Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.
You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.
Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.
Homer
Sun Jun 24 23:19:14 EDT 2012
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Tue Jun 2 12:00:04 EDT 2020
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=========== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===============
Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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