TO DEAL OR NOT TO DEAL
The basic answer to the question stated below is yes, the being has
been dealing by not dealing. Auditing and two way comm gets the being
to spot the not dealing, and the mass and energy blows off, leaving him
able to deal again.
He didn't HAVE to shut it all out, he thought life would be better
doing so, factually he turned out wrong, life would have been better if
he had kept track of all his losses.
The preclear deals by not dealing.
The clear deals by dealing.
That said, the auditor has to have perfect TR's and ACKS, keep his
own case out of it, and really want the preclear to get better. The
auditor also has to be FAST, and be able to audit the preclear in front
of him, and not some watered down mockup that the auditor can can
confront, especially if the auditor thinks he is bigger than everyone
else in the world.
The auditor has to understand that his job is to dominate the
preclear's bank, not dominate the preclear.
The preclear is a communication relay point between the auditor and
the bank, the bank responds to the AUDITOR not to the preclear, who
merely hands the answer back to the auditor when the bank gives it to
him.
If the preclear is rumaging around in endless tar, chaos and
madness to find an answer to the question, the preclear is BEING a
bank, and the real bank is sitting there drinking whiskey and
rye waiting for the auditor to recognize it as the one with the answers.
THE BANK doesn't have a hard time coming up with answers if the
commands are directed to it subject.
FINDING the right subject is where you get to find out if the
auditor is talking TO the preclear, which is a dead end, or THROUGH the
preclear to the BANK.
The preclear doesn't know and doesn't have any BANK answers, only
the BANK has bank answers, so talk to the bank and not the preclear.
TR's are used to talk to the preclear when the preclear is no longer
acting as a relay to the bank.
The auditor must also understand that you can't help a preclear
with his mother by talking about your own mother :) The one who asks the
question or gives the commands is the auditor, the one who looks and
answers is the preclear.
A preclear looking for help in the form of advice or consultation
will start to ask questions of the auditor making the auditor the
preclear.
Preclear's will pay endlessly for this.
Remember the auditor knows everything about the preclear's case IN
GENERAL, but not in specific. The preclear knows everything about his
case in SPECIFIC (under the not-is), but not the general, for which he
needs training and indoc.
Thus the auditor is a councilor and not a consultant who knows more
about the preclear than the preclear does in specific.
If the auditor is a screwball escapee from cramming, his commands
will not direct the bank and the fileclerk mechanism will hand out
ridicule of the auditor or misdirection of the session to the preclear.
So yes two way comm between auditor and preclear, with the auditor
in control can help the preclear get answers out of his recalcitrant
bank. However preclear's are TERRIFIED of exceeding the auditor's
reality and acceptance levels.
Yes preclear's will get into heavy dub-in and delusion before the
incidents start to go actual on him, but if he running actual and the
auditor is thinking its all dub-in and delusion, the auditor won't allow
the preclear to end the run, because you can't end a run of delusion, it
never ends.
If the auditor is a 'we never went to the moon' case, and can't
muster any altitude with the preclear, whether real or imagined,
auditing won't happen, F/N's will be small above 3.0 and TA will be
nonexistent except TA resulting from the preclear holding an internal
dialog with himself and probably a committee of 20 BT's about why he is
getting auditing from this guy in the first place.
Preclear's will do hours of that too, him and his BT friends
passing around that bottle of whiskey and rye with his bank all the
while the auditor is beaming 'Wow look at this guy and all the TA he is
making...'
Homer
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lamoore0777@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>#1. Do you believe, (either owing to your first hand experience, or
>owing to the theoritical soundness of the idea) that *merely allowing
>another human being to recount their personal experiences in life (in
>your presence*) is useful to that human being's fundamental well being
>as well as their ultimate psychological/spiritual growth? (in the
>presence of the absence of judgement of the beholder, called the
>auditor, or as the case may be, called you.)
The issue is based on what the being did during the original
incident.
Hubbard said he made a facsimile and later used it to recreate the
conditions of the incident in order to elicit sympathy or fend off
contra survival forces and intentions in the environment or other people.
Adore says the being handled the original incident with not-isness
and postulates about the benefit of limitations and is in fact, still
there in the past, not just stuck in a facsimile in the past.
The intent of auditing is to get the being to reevaluate his
postulates which may have been a good idea at the time, but probably no
longer serve him in the present game.
Notice this is very different than coming to terms with the loss
NOW. Its not enough to accept now what happened and what you did in the
incident. One has to figure out what one should have done in the first
place back then knowing what you did then!
That's a much bigger order.
Used to be we could pretend to be crippled so the recruiting forces
would leave us alone, and then undo it every evening when we went to bed
at night.
Then one day the recruits raid us during the night and find out we
aren't crippled at all, and so it became useful to be crippled all the
time just in case.
Thus one is stuck on old postulates of the advantage of being
disadvantaged.
Have you looked at a local meatball recently? Sheesh.
So we want the being to go back to the past and reevaluate some of
those postulates so that he can rewrite the incident rather than throw a
lot of force at it and duck it like it never existed.
Rewriting the incident to a satisfactory 'what he should have done
then', will not rewrite physical universe history but will rewrite his
personal state as if he had actually done the right thing at the time.
Mostly eschew the flinch and cringe.
This is pure magic, unbelievable until it is experienced.
On top of that the being gets back all the enturbulated theta he
used to cement the not-is in the place and all the ensuing nonsense that
happened later because of his non confront.
So he gets back all this energy he packed away into black tar,
obsidian and crazy glue and he gets to be as if it never happened in the
first place. Quite a deal for a few hours of properly done auditing.
Homer
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ABUSE - Alan Walter
From: ACW
As I stated in earlier data, there are many missing technologies in
Scientology.
This piece of missing technology is possibly "WHY" Scientology
became so ABUSIVE.
It never had the technology to handle the area of ABUSE, thus it
by-passed the area, and began to dramatize it.
Added to that Scientologists as a group because of the mutuality of
unhandled Episodes of Abuse it has become "an act of tacit sabotage."
A Scientologist thinks their behaviour is NORMAL.
The society is appalled. We are appalled.
An ABUSIVE ACT is: GIVING someone something they do NOT WANT.
An ABUSE is: GETTING something you do NOT WANT.
ABUSE HANDLING - - -A VITAL MISSING TECHNOLOGY
ABUSE is the ultimate NEGATIVE PROCESS of life.
Abuse Episode Handling - - Harmony and Ability Restoration
Procedures
The ability to handle an ABUSE EPISODE is a major technical
discovery.
The reason ABUSE EPISODES have never been properly handled by any
past technologies is, they were engaged in their own forms of ABUSE.
ABUSIVE PRACTITIONERS cannot be expected to handle what they are
enforcing. The practitioner and the practice become part of an on-going
ABUSE EPISODE themselves.
The common denominator of ALL ABUSE is:
AN ALTERED, FALSE OR WRONG ITEM, OBJECT OR NOT WANT IS ENFORCED
INTO THE SPACE AND TIME OF A WANTED ITEM, OBJECT OR WANT.=20
When an altered, false or wrong item, object or not want occupies a
space or time it prevents the wanted item, object or want from arriving
in that space and time.
This creates unsolvable problems and disasters.
ABUSE destroys your ability to have in that area.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
space.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
time.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
energy.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
objects.
ABUSE can create you into being and acting in opposition to your
own deep seated true WANTS and DREAMS.
ABUSIVE GAMES are DESTRUCTIVE GAMES, that require DESTRUCTIVE
NEGATIVE PROCESSES TO IMPLEMENT.
The indicators, outcomes and products of ABUSE are:
DOESN'T WANT PROCESSING
DOESN'T WANT TRAINING
PROCESSING RELUCTANCE, PUTS OFF, OR CREATES PROBLEMS WITH TIME AND
MONEY.
TRAINING RELUCTANCE, PUTS OFF, OR CREATES PROBLEMS WITH TIME AND
MONEY.
NO PROCESSING
NO TRAINING
SUBJECT ILLITERATE
PROSPERITY ILLITERATE
SUCCESS ILLITERATE
HAPPINESS ILLITERATE
LOSER
CONSTANTLY VICTIMIZED
CO-DEPENDENT
CONSTANT MONEY PROBLEMS
WORKING AT SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO
CHRONIC LOW MOOD LEVEL
POVERTY
FAILURE
UNHAPPINESS
LOW SELF ESTEEM
FEELING UNWORTHY
BAD TEMPERED
ATTENTION AND THOUGHTS FIXATED ON PAST
CONSTANT DESTRUCTIVE THOUGHTS TOWARDS A GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL
HATRED OF AUTHORITY
HATRED OF RULES
ABSENCE OF GOALS
CHRONIC TIREDNESS
CHRONIC LETHARGY
IMMOBILIZED
ABANDONED DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS
NO TRUST
SUICIDAL
ACCIDENT PRONE
ILLNESS PRONE
CHRONICALLY UNLUCKY IN LIFE, CAREER AND RELATIONSHIPS
INVESTMENT LOSSES
SAD
NO INTEREST
NO SPACE
NO TIME
NO MONEY
Anyone of these outcomes, indicators or products is, an indication
of AN AREA OR A SERIES OF AREAS OF ABUSE.
ABUSE ERADICATION - - HARMONY RESTORATION PROCEDURES
ABUSE is a "done to you" victim process, it has come into being
because you placed yourself in that position. WHY YOU PLACED YOURSELF
IN THAT POSITION is the answer to the CHRONIC ADDICTION to ABUSE.
To get to that answer you must unburden and remove ALL the altered,
false and wrong items, objects and not wants that are occupying yours or
the clients space and time.
YOU MUST REMOVE ALL ALTERED, FALSE OR WRONG ITEMS, OBJECTS OR
UNWANTED WANTS FROM THE CASE. To achieve this follow these steps.
STEP ONE: SUBJECT LITERACY (You can do this solo or on a client, I
will lay out the steps to be applied to a client.)
1. Have client read the list of ABUSE outcomes, indicators or
products.
2. Make a list of those which apply to the client, ask:
a. What of these items applies to your life at this time? (A new
or highly charged client will probably answer all of them.
b. Ask the client to number the items chosen by orders of urgency
or interest.
c. Ask: Are there any other areas of ABUSE that you have thought
of as you were inspecting this list?
d. Write down any added areas of ABUSE.
STEP TWO: NARROWING THE TARGET
1. Ask: Is your attention stuck on any person or group connected
to these areas of ABUSE? If yes.
2. Ask: Name the person or group.
3. Tell me about him/her/them?
(You have now arrived at the most critical point of the handling.)
4. Is your client the ABUSED or the ABUSER?
You now have to work out using these indicators:
Constantly critical. (A criticalness is an opposition against.)
An abuser is someone who is opposed to producing statistics.
Opposed to management.
Opposed to seniors.
Critical. This denotes distance from, lies, non-permeation and
counter= forces.
Not delivering what was promised.
Keeping an area small.
Attacking and critical of, the who or what their survival depends
upon.
Critical. This places you in the low Yellow or Red Zone area.
Poor processing abilities.
Poor training skills.
Constantly does the unimportant actions, while leaving the
important actions up to someone else.
Chronic low mood level.
Critical. This indicates an area of ABUSE being engaged in by the
critic.
THE ABUSED ARE ALWAYS ABUSERS!!!
They constantly dramatize altered, false and wrong items, objects
and produce unwanted wants. Thus you must be very careful to run exact
moments of ABUSE.
An ABUSER is always insisting on their rightness, at the cost of
ignoring the TRUTH.
An ABUSER will turn the session into a form of ABUSE if you are not
careful.=
An ABUSER is a chronic liar. They are experts at selective
perception and misdirection.
Example: The client states: My boss treats me as a second class
citizen, the other day he threw me on the floor and kicked me.
You are appalled. Don't be. Ask: What was going on just before he
became so enraged? What did you do? or What didn't you do?
Demonstrations of violence requires a long period of insidious
abuse. ABUSERS employ constant goading and needling tactics to
undermine and infuriate their imagined enemies.
It is not your job to pass sentence on who is wrong or right! The
ABUSER is trying to recruit you for their side. You are to find the
whole truth of why and how the ABUSE came into existence and how to
handle it so it does not repeat.
Your processing and life targets are to replace ABUSE with HARMONY.
THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT ABOUT ABUSE OR BEING INVOLVED IN AN ABUSIVE
GAME.
Yes I realize many of you have lived very ABUSIVE lives, but there
is no reason why you should continue to do so. That was the past. Life
is in you today, and you are creating your tomorrow's. Create those
tomorrows with kindness, love, harmony, deliver what you promised, and
your futures will be beyond your wildest dreams.
The fact that anyone is engaged in ANY form of ABUSE is an
indication they are on a SELF DESTRUCTIVE PATH.
To maintain a chronic low mood level requires a huge quantity of
lies, false beliefs, harmful acts, hidden agendas, evil intentions,
wrong answers and a refusal to be responsible for their causative
actions.
To maintain and add to the continuing low mood level the Being MUST
keep themselves in ABUSIVE EPISODES of existence.
To be stable in the area of ABUSE HANDLING requires the ability to
not play. You must be able to spot ABUSE and walk away from it, if you
find yourself in a violent relationship, you must walk away until
HARMONY is restored. This will require that both you and the ABUSER
will be fully role educated on ABUSE handling technology, including
having eliminated the majority of your ABUSE EPISODES.
People who cannot walk away from ABUSIVE SITUATIONS are addicted to
ABUSE, consequently they must create ABUSIVE SITUATIONS and EPISODES,
being magnetically and obsessively attracted towards ABUSIVE PEOPLE.
They are obsessively into destructively doing the other person in.
4. Your client is an ABUSER.
You must realize there is an earlier area of ABUSE.
The most deadly are the alcoholic parent, the religious fanatic,
the therapist or psychologist, the disciplinarian, the overbearing
parent. Another deadly area is the cult ABUSE. Any one of these means
your client has received years of constant chronic life ABUSE.
To your client ABUSE is how a normal life is supposed to be.
That is WHY the client constantly needles and baits their seniors
by never delivering what they promised, saying one thing and doing
something else. They NEED and WANT their seniors to ABUSE THEM.
The senior is an idiot if they do. The senior must separate itself
from the ABUSER.
ABUSERS need a lot of role education and help, but don't expect any
appreciation, for they cannot experience true help as they see you as
the= enemy.
The ABUSER will try to SELL you on their rightness. DON'T BUY IT!
Just set about unburdening and role educating your client. The
worlds of kindness, love, friendliness, success, genuine help, constant
high mood levels, wins and worthiness are alien planets and subjects to
the ABUSERS.
STEP THREE: THE NAMING OF THE OPPONENT (ABUSER)
When you find who the client believes to be the ABUSER, you have
found someone who is the clients real or imagined ENEMY.
ABUSERS believe almost everyone is their ENEMY. That is why they
are so unfriendly! It is also why life is so difficult for them. They
are working against the flow of life. They are trying to stop and kill
everything. Their reward is to be stopped and operate in a chronic mood
level of spiritual death.
Being around someone who is in this state is very soul destroying,
and takes all the pleasure out of living life.
1. Ask the client to name the ABUSER.
2. Assess by using the prefix:
Connected to ( named abuser) has there been an altered, false or
wrong.........
a. answer?
b. who?
c. what?
d. where?
e. when?
f. how?
g. why?
h. mood level?
i. perception?
j. conclusion?
k. want?
l. position taken?
m. image created?
n. image projected?
o. intention?
p. plan?
q. implementation?
r. command phrase?
s. fact?
t. item?
u. object?
v. outcome?
w. state invalidated?
x. some thing else?
3. Handle each reading command in the following manner.
3a. Tell me about it?
3b. When was that?
3c. Where was that?
3d. Can you holographically describe the space, the moods, the
interactions duplicating exactly the moods and impacts?
3e. What happened?
3f. Did you make any self determined decisions at that time?
3g. What was the decision(s)? There may be several decisions,
just note each one and run 3h. on each.
3h. What have been the consequences of that (named decision)?
Repeat these processes over and over on each reading command until
there is a complete change of attitude towards the enemy.
Your clients mood level should be rising as the lies, wrong items,
alterations, false and wrongnesses are eliminated. If this doesn't
occur or the client is still opposed to the named abuser, you have an
earlier ABUSER who this ABUSER IS REMINDING THEM OF.
If the client originates this, cease assessing and handling the
present ABUSER and substitute the earlier reminded ABUSER.
STEP THREE, A: RESPONSIBILITY AND CAUSE OVER ABUSE ACTIVITIES.
3A. After you have repeatedly assessed the above full list and no
more questions are reading, you can now upgrade the client to a more
causative series of processes.
3Aa. Run:
3Aa1. Have you ever deliberately needled (named abuser) into
getting upset?
2. Have you ever deliberately goaded (named abuser) into attacking
you?
Have you ever altered, falsified or given (named abuser) a
wrong......
a. answer?
b. who?
c. what?
d. where?
e. when?
f. how?
g. why?
h. mood level?
i. perception?
j. conclusion?
k. want?
l. position taken?
m. image created?
n. image projected?
o. intention?
p. plan?
q. implementation?
r. command phrase?
s. fact?
t. item?
u. object?
v. outcome?
w. state invalidated?
x. some thing else?
STEP FOUR: FREEDOM FROM LONG TERM PROBLEMS AND TRAPS.
4a. Run:
4pa. What problem has (named abuser) given you?
4pb. How have you handled that problem?
4pc. What have been the consequences of that?
4pd. What problem have you given (named abuser)?
4pe. How did they handle that problem?
4pf. What have been the consequences of that?
4pg. Because of you what problem has (named abuser) given to
itself?
4ph. How did they handle that problem?
4pi. What have been the consequences of that?
4pj. Because of (named abuser) what problem have you given to
yourself?
4pk. How did you handle that problem?
4pl. What have been the consequences of that?
Causative Processes Step:
4a. What has (named Abuser) done to you?
4b. What have you done to (named abuser)?
4c. What has _______________ restrained about you?
4d. What have you restrained about______________?
4e. What has________________ not communicated to you?
4f. What have you not communicated to ______________?
4g. Because of you what has_________done to themselves?
4h. Because of___________what have you done to yourself?
4i. Because of you what has_______restrained about themselves?
4j. Because of_______what have you restrained about yourself?
The client should experience several cognition's (aha's) about the=
stupid destructive games they have been playing.
STEP FIVE: AVOIDANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND INTEGRITY.
5. Ask: By being involved in the conflicts and upsets with (named
abuser) what didn't you have to face up to or be responsible for?
5a. Tell me about that?
5b. Run:
What part of (area or subject avoided) are you willing to permeate?
5c. What part would you rather not permeate?
5d. What have been the consequences of not facing up to (area or
subject avoided)?
STEP SIX: HANDLE ALL ABUSERS AND ABUSE IN THE SAME MANNER.
Repeat step three to five on each ABUSER.
This is a long process but well worth while, if done properly your
client will experience a continuous high Green Zone phenomena of being
in the right place at the right time.
PROSPERITY, SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS IN LIFE, RELATIONSHIPS, BUSINESS
AND CAREERS WILL BECOME THE NORM!!
ALAN C. WALTER
26 June 1996
Copyright (C) 1996 Alan C. Walter
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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As I stated in earlier data, there are many missing technologies in
Scientology.
This piece of missing technology is possibly "WHY" Scientology
became so ABUSIVE.
It never had the technology to handle the area of ABUSE, thus it
by-passed the area, and began to dramatize it.
Added to that Scientologists as a group because of the mutuality of
unhandled Episodes of Abuse it has become "an act of tacit sabotage."
A Scientologist thinks their behaviour is NORMAL.
The society is appalled. We are appalled.
An ABUSIVE ACT is: GIVING someone something they do NOT WANT.
An ABUSE is: GETTING something you do NOT WANT.
ABUSE HANDLING - - -A VITAL MISSING TECHNOLOGY
ABUSE is the ultimate NEGATIVE PROCESS of life.
Abuse Episode Handling - - Harmony and Ability Restoration
Procedures
The ability to handle an ABUSE EPISODE is a major technical
discovery.
The reason ABUSE EPISODES have never been properly handled by any
past technologies is, they were engaged in their own forms of ABUSE.
ABUSIVE PRACTITIONERS cannot be expected to handle what they are
enforcing. The practitioner and the practice become part of an on-going
ABUSE EPISODE themselves.
The common denominator of ALL ABUSE is:
AN ALTERED, FALSE OR WRONG ITEM, OBJECT OR NOT WANT IS ENFORCED
INTO THE SPACE AND TIME OF A WANTED ITEM, OBJECT OR WANT.=20
When an altered, false or wrong item, object or not want occupies a
space or time it prevents the wanted item, object or want from arriving
in that space and time.
This creates unsolvable problems and disasters.
ABUSE destroys your ability to have in that area.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
space.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
time.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
energy.
ABUSE destroys your ability to control or be the master of your own
objects.
ABUSE can create you into being and acting in opposition to your
own deep seated true WANTS and DREAMS.
ABUSIVE GAMES are DESTRUCTIVE GAMES, that require DESTRUCTIVE
NEGATIVE PROCESSES TO IMPLEMENT.
The indicators, outcomes and products of ABUSE are:
DOESN'T WANT PROCESSING
DOESN'T WANT TRAINING
PROCESSING RELUCTANCE, PUTS OFF, OR CREATES PROBLEMS WITH TIME AND
MONEY.
TRAINING RELUCTANCE, PUTS OFF, OR CREATES PROBLEMS WITH TIME AND
MONEY.
NO PROCESSING
NO TRAINING
SUBJECT ILLITERATE
PROSPERITY ILLITERATE
SUCCESS ILLITERATE
HAPPINESS ILLITERATE
LOSER
CONSTANTLY VICTIMIZED
CO-DEPENDENT
CONSTANT MONEY PROBLEMS
WORKING AT SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO
CHRONIC LOW MOOD LEVEL
POVERTY
FAILURE
UNHAPPINESS
LOW SELF ESTEEM
FEELING UNWORTHY
BAD TEMPERED
ATTENTION AND THOUGHTS FIXATED ON PAST
CONSTANT DESTRUCTIVE THOUGHTS TOWARDS A GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL
HATRED OF AUTHORITY
HATRED OF RULES
ABSENCE OF GOALS
CHRONIC TIREDNESS
CHRONIC LETHARGY
IMMOBILIZED
ABANDONED DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS
NO TRUST
SUICIDAL
ACCIDENT PRONE
ILLNESS PRONE
CHRONICALLY UNLUCKY IN LIFE, CAREER AND RELATIONSHIPS
INVESTMENT LOSSES
SAD
NO INTEREST
NO SPACE
NO TIME
NO MONEY
Anyone of these outcomes, indicators or products is, an indication
of AN AREA OR A SERIES OF AREAS OF ABUSE.
ABUSE ERADICATION - - HARMONY RESTORATION PROCEDURES
ABUSE is a "done to you" victim process, it has come into being
because you placed yourself in that position. WHY YOU PLACED YOURSELF
IN THAT POSITION is the answer to the CHRONIC ADDICTION to ABUSE.
To get to that answer you must unburden and remove ALL the altered,
false and wrong items, objects and not wants that are occupying yours or
the clients space and time.
YOU MUST REMOVE ALL ALTERED, FALSE OR WRONG ITEMS, OBJECTS OR
UNWANTED WANTS FROM THE CASE. To achieve this follow these steps.
STEP ONE: SUBJECT LITERACY (You can do this solo or on a client, I
will lay out the steps to be applied to a client.)
1. Have client read the list of ABUSE outcomes, indicators or
products.
2. Make a list of those which apply to the client, ask:
a. What of these items applies to your life at this time? (A new
or highly charged client will probably answer all of them.
b. Ask the client to number the items chosen by orders of urgency
or interest.
c. Ask: Are there any other areas of ABUSE that you have thought
of as you were inspecting this list?
d. Write down any added areas of ABUSE.
STEP TWO: NARROWING THE TARGET
1. Ask: Is your attention stuck on any person or group connected
to these areas of ABUSE? If yes.
2. Ask: Name the person or group.
3. Tell me about him/her/them?
(You have now arrived at the most critical point of the handling.)
4. Is your client the ABUSED or the ABUSER?
You now have to work out using these indicators:
Constantly critical. (A criticalness is an opposition against.)
An abuser is someone who is opposed to producing statistics.
Opposed to management.
Opposed to seniors.
Critical. This denotes distance from, lies, non-permeation and
counter= forces.
Not delivering what was promised.
Keeping an area small.
Attacking and critical of, the who or what their survival depends
upon.
Critical. This places you in the low Yellow or Red Zone area.
Poor processing abilities.
Poor training skills.
Constantly does the unimportant actions, while leaving the
important actions up to someone else.
Chronic low mood level.
Critical. This indicates an area of ABUSE being engaged in by the
critic.
THE ABUSED ARE ALWAYS ABUSERS!!!
They constantly dramatize altered, false and wrong items, objects
and produce unwanted wants. Thus you must be very careful to run exact
moments of ABUSE.
An ABUSER is always insisting on their rightness, at the cost of
ignoring the TRUTH.
An ABUSER will turn the session into a form of ABUSE if you are not
careful.=
An ABUSER is a chronic liar. They are experts at selective
perception and misdirection.
Example: The client states: My boss treats me as a second class
citizen, the other day he threw me on the floor and kicked me.
You are appalled. Don't be. Ask: What was going on just before he
became so enraged? What did you do? or What didn't you do?
Demonstrations of violence requires a long period of insidious
abuse. ABUSERS employ constant goading and needling tactics to
undermine and infuriate their imagined enemies.
It is not your job to pass sentence on who is wrong or right! The
ABUSER is trying to recruit you for their side. You are to find the
whole truth of why and how the ABUSE came into existence and how to
handle it so it does not repeat.
Your processing and life targets are to replace ABUSE with HARMONY.
THERE IS NOTHING RIGHT ABOUT ABUSE OR BEING INVOLVED IN AN ABUSIVE
GAME.
Yes I realize many of you have lived very ABUSIVE lives, but there
is no reason why you should continue to do so. That was the past. Life
is in you today, and you are creating your tomorrow's. Create those
tomorrows with kindness, love, harmony, deliver what you promised, and
your futures will be beyond your wildest dreams.
The fact that anyone is engaged in ANY form of ABUSE is an
indication they are on a SELF DESTRUCTIVE PATH.
To maintain a chronic low mood level requires a huge quantity of
lies, false beliefs, harmful acts, hidden agendas, evil intentions,
wrong answers and a refusal to be responsible for their causative
actions.
To maintain and add to the continuing low mood level the Being MUST
keep themselves in ABUSIVE EPISODES of existence.
To be stable in the area of ABUSE HANDLING requires the ability to
not play. You must be able to spot ABUSE and walk away from it, if you
find yourself in a violent relationship, you must walk away until
HARMONY is restored. This will require that both you and the ABUSER
will be fully role educated on ABUSE handling technology, including
having eliminated the majority of your ABUSE EPISODES.
People who cannot walk away from ABUSIVE SITUATIONS are addicted to
ABUSE, consequently they must create ABUSIVE SITUATIONS and EPISODES,
being magnetically and obsessively attracted towards ABUSIVE PEOPLE.
They are obsessively into destructively doing the other person in.
4. Your client is an ABUSER.
You must realize there is an earlier area of ABUSE.
The most deadly are the alcoholic parent, the religious fanatic,
the therapist or psychologist, the disciplinarian, the overbearing
parent. Another deadly area is the cult ABUSE. Any one of these means
your client has received years of constant chronic life ABUSE.
To your client ABUSE is how a normal life is supposed to be.
That is WHY the client constantly needles and baits their seniors
by never delivering what they promised, saying one thing and doing
something else. They NEED and WANT their seniors to ABUSE THEM.
The senior is an idiot if they do. The senior must separate itself
from the ABUSER.
ABUSERS need a lot of role education and help, but don't expect any
appreciation, for they cannot experience true help as they see you as
the= enemy.
The ABUSER will try to SELL you on their rightness. DON'T BUY IT!
Just set about unburdening and role educating your client. The
worlds of kindness, love, friendliness, success, genuine help, constant
high mood levels, wins and worthiness are alien planets and subjects to
the ABUSERS.
STEP THREE: THE NAMING OF THE OPPONENT (ABUSER)
When you find who the client believes to be the ABUSER, you have
found someone who is the clients real or imagined ENEMY.
ABUSERS believe almost everyone is their ENEMY. That is why they
are so unfriendly! It is also why life is so difficult for them. They
are working against the flow of life. They are trying to stop and kill
everything. Their reward is to be stopped and operate in a chronic mood
level of spiritual death.
Being around someone who is in this state is very soul destroying,
and takes all the pleasure out of living life.
1. Ask the client to name the ABUSER.
2. Assess by using the prefix:
Connected to ( named abuser) has there been an altered, false or
wrong.........
a. answer?
b. who?
c. what?
d. where?
e. when?
f. how?
g. why?
h. mood level?
i. perception?
j. conclusion?
k. want?
l. position taken?
m. image created?
n. image projected?
o. intention?
p. plan?
q. implementation?
r. command phrase?
s. fact?
t. item?
u. object?
v. outcome?
w. state invalidated?
x. some thing else?
3. Handle each reading command in the following manner.
3a. Tell me about it?
3b. When was that?
3c. Where was that?
3d. Can you holographically describe the space, the moods, the
interactions duplicating exactly the moods and impacts?
3e. What happened?
3f. Did you make any self determined decisions at that time?
3g. What was the decision(s)? There may be several decisions,
just note each one and run 3h. on each.
3h. What have been the consequences of that (named decision)?
Repeat these processes over and over on each reading command until
there is a complete change of attitude towards the enemy.
Your clients mood level should be rising as the lies, wrong items,
alterations, false and wrongnesses are eliminated. If this doesn't
occur or the client is still opposed to the named abuser, you have an
earlier ABUSER who this ABUSER IS REMINDING THEM OF.
If the client originates this, cease assessing and handling the
present ABUSER and substitute the earlier reminded ABUSER.
STEP THREE, A: RESPONSIBILITY AND CAUSE OVER ABUSE ACTIVITIES.
3A. After you have repeatedly assessed the above full list and no
more questions are reading, you can now upgrade the client to a more
causative series of processes.
3Aa. Run:
3Aa1. Have you ever deliberately needled (named abuser) into
getting upset?
2. Have you ever deliberately goaded (named abuser) into attacking
you?
Have you ever altered, falsified or given (named abuser) a
wrong......
a. answer?
b. who?
c. what?
d. where?
e. when?
f. how?
g. why?
h. mood level?
i. perception?
j. conclusion?
k. want?
l. position taken?
m. image created?
n. image projected?
o. intention?
p. plan?
q. implementation?
r. command phrase?
s. fact?
t. item?
u. object?
v. outcome?
w. state invalidated?
x. some thing else?
STEP FOUR: FREEDOM FROM LONG TERM PROBLEMS AND TRAPS.
4a. Run:
4pa. What problem has (named abuser) given you?
4pb. How have you handled that problem?
4pc. What have been the consequences of that?
4pd. What problem have you given (named abuser)?
4pe. How did they handle that problem?
4pf. What have been the consequences of that?
4pg. Because of you what problem has (named abuser) given to
itself?
4ph. How did they handle that problem?
4pi. What have been the consequences of that?
4pj. Because of (named abuser) what problem have you given to
yourself?
4pk. How did you handle that problem?
4pl. What have been the consequences of that?
Causative Processes Step:
4a. What has (named Abuser) done to you?
4b. What have you done to (named abuser)?
4c. What has _______________ restrained about you?
4d. What have you restrained about______________?
4e. What has________________ not communicated to you?
4f. What have you not communicated to ______________?
4g. Because of you what has_________done to themselves?
4h. Because of___________what have you done to yourself?
4i. Because of you what has_______restrained about themselves?
4j. Because of_______what have you restrained about yourself?
The client should experience several cognition's (aha's) about the=
stupid destructive games they have been playing.
STEP FIVE: AVOIDANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND INTEGRITY.
5. Ask: By being involved in the conflicts and upsets with (named
abuser) what didn't you have to face up to or be responsible for?
5a. Tell me about that?
5b. Run:
What part of (area or subject avoided) are you willing to permeate?
5c. What part would you rather not permeate?
5d. What have been the consequences of not facing up to (area or
subject avoided)?
STEP SIX: HANDLE ALL ABUSERS AND ABUSE IN THE SAME MANNER.
Repeat step three to five on each ABUSER.
This is a long process but well worth while, if done properly your
client will experience a continuous high Green Zone phenomena of being
in the right place at the right time.
PROSPERITY, SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS IN LIFE, RELATIONSHIPS, BUSINESS
AND CAREERS WILL BECOME THE NORM!!
ALAN C. WALTER
26 June 1996
Copyright (C) 1996 Alan C. Walter
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Thursday, November 21, 2019
THE FURIES by Alan Walter
Practices, Practitioners and Clients
Misdirections, Tricks, Denials
and Avoidances,
Connected to "The Furies"
"The Furies" have remained unhandled on all Spiritual Beings'
cases, because they contain huge powerful quantities of disruptive,
destructive psychic forces, charge, pain, fear and anguish, stemming
from violations of the Spiritual Beings' Codes, Virtues, Honesty,
Principles and Integrity.
When a Spiritual Being violates its Codes, Virtues, Honesty,
Principles and Integrity the being feels less worthy of the rewards of
life. Too many violations and the Spiritual Being begins to HATE
itself; the more violations, the deeper and more far reaching the
HATRED OF SELF.
HATRED OF SELF causes a diminishment of self and power. As the
being continues to violate its basic principles of honor, the being
diminishes itself into an ever smaller sphere of influence and has
less and less presence. Should this cycle of diminishment continue
the being will actually disappear. In its place are substitute
compression containers and identities.
This diminishment of the Spiritual Being is the equivalent to
DEATH, VANQUISHMENT and EXTINCTION of the SPIRIT, a very terrifying
cataclysmic event for the being. So much so, the Spiritual Being will
do anything in order to survive and stay in existence.
As the Being cannot find the truth and correct answers to this
terrifying THREAT OF DEATH, VANQUISHMENT and EXTINCTION of the SPIRIT,
the Being will INVENT and CREATE WRONG ANSWERS, WRONG ITEMS and
IMPLEMENT WRONG SOLUTIONS in order to protect and defend itself from
this cataclysmic event.
Blame, shame, guilt, irresponsibility, domination, subjugation,
bitterness, anger, apathy, lying, etc., are all defensive mechanisms
in order to make themselves right and escape the DEATH and EXTINCTION
of the SPIRITUAL BEING.
"The Furies" are just such a defense mechanism. In an attempt to
survive its spiritual VANISHMENT and EXTINCTION, the Being has to
actively and speedily deny its HATRED OF ITSELF. To do this denial
the Being is forced to give up the TRUTH and resort to blaming others
for making them violate their Codes, Virtues, Principles, Honesty and
Integrity.
"The Furies" are a violent attempt to defend self and shift the
blame of violations onto others.
The Being has become a master at misdirection, tricks, denying,
and avoiding what violations preceded "The Fury." TRUTH becomes a
weapon of great THREAT of EXTINCTION for it causes the Being to
approach that which could cause the being to VANISH and become
EXTINCT.
The fact is, one of the effects of dramatizing "The Furies,"
causes the Being to make ALL of their CREATIONS EXTINCT.
The desperate solution to the problem of EXTINCTION, has now
become a much greater, more complex problem.
It is this THREAT OF EXTINCTION that has terrified and scared
away all practices, practitioners and client, from handling "The
Furies."
The problem for the Spiritual Being is not "The Furies," it is
what preceded "The Furies." The HATRED OF SELF and the VIOLATIONS OF
ITS HONOR AND SELF WORTH.
You, therefore, have several areas that MUST BE FULLY HANDLED.
They are as follows:
1. Locate and Handle Violations of Codes, Virtues, Principles,
Honesty and Integrity.
2. Locate and Handle the THREATS OF EXTINCTION.
3. Locate and Handle Massive HATRED OF SELF.
4. Locate and Handle "THE FURY DIRECTED TOWARDS SELF."
5. Locate and Handle the DENIAL OF RESPONSIBILITY, and the
MENTAL SHIFT TO BLAME OTHERS. (The source point to becoming a
VICTIM.)
6. Locate and handle the People, Places, Subjects and Things,
the Being has chosen to BLAME and SHAME.
7. Locate and Handle the Construction of Instruments, Devices
and Machines to automatically enforce this BLAME and SHAME.
8. Locate and Handle the Instruments, Devices and Mechanisms
used to obfuscate these BLAME and SHAME Instruments, Devices and
Machines.
9. Locate and Handle the creating RAGE and FURY to direct at
OTHERS, in order to hide the HATRED OF SELF and to shift the BLAME and
SHAME on to OTHERS.
10. Locate and Handle the justifications and rationalizations to
BLAME and SHAME OTHERS.
11. Locate and Handle all the PSYCHIC CONTAINERS or BOXES, the
Being has implemented to Compressed or Restrained itself.
12. Locate and Handle by continuing the rest of the Super Being
Power Prosperity Procedures.
KINDLY AND GENTLY DOES IT!
It requires an incredibly safe, trustful processing team and
environment to process this technology, as the being is going up
against those areas which the Spiritual Being believes can cause it to
become EXTINCT.
What the Being has not realized is, they are already worse than
EXTINCT, they have become SOMEONE or SOMETHING ELSE.
They have long ago ceased being themselves.
UNTIL THE FURIES ARE FULLY HANDLED, A KIND AND GENTLE APPROACH IS
MANDATORY.
ABUSE keeps the THREAT OF EXTINCTION forever present. This
forces the Being to become defensive which accesses them into the
distrustful, distant, cold, angryness of chronic RIGHTNESS, not the
warm, trusting, close, friendliness and purity of TRUTH.
ALAN C. WALTER
8 March 1996 Copyright 1996 Alan C. Walter ALL RIGHTS
RESERVED
______________________________________________________________________
21st Century New Public Series 20
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Misdirections, Tricks, Denials
and Avoidances,
Connected to "The Furies"
"The Furies" have remained unhandled on all Spiritual Beings'
cases, because they contain huge powerful quantities of disruptive,
destructive psychic forces, charge, pain, fear and anguish, stemming
from violations of the Spiritual Beings' Codes, Virtues, Honesty,
Principles and Integrity.
When a Spiritual Being violates its Codes, Virtues, Honesty,
Principles and Integrity the being feels less worthy of the rewards of
life. Too many violations and the Spiritual Being begins to HATE
itself; the more violations, the deeper and more far reaching the
HATRED OF SELF.
HATRED OF SELF causes a diminishment of self and power. As the
being continues to violate its basic principles of honor, the being
diminishes itself into an ever smaller sphere of influence and has
less and less presence. Should this cycle of diminishment continue
the being will actually disappear. In its place are substitute
compression containers and identities.
This diminishment of the Spiritual Being is the equivalent to
DEATH, VANQUISHMENT and EXTINCTION of the SPIRIT, a very terrifying
cataclysmic event for the being. So much so, the Spiritual Being will
do anything in order to survive and stay in existence.
As the Being cannot find the truth and correct answers to this
terrifying THREAT OF DEATH, VANQUISHMENT and EXTINCTION of the SPIRIT,
the Being will INVENT and CREATE WRONG ANSWERS, WRONG ITEMS and
IMPLEMENT WRONG SOLUTIONS in order to protect and defend itself from
this cataclysmic event.
Blame, shame, guilt, irresponsibility, domination, subjugation,
bitterness, anger, apathy, lying, etc., are all defensive mechanisms
in order to make themselves right and escape the DEATH and EXTINCTION
of the SPIRITUAL BEING.
"The Furies" are just such a defense mechanism. In an attempt to
survive its spiritual VANISHMENT and EXTINCTION, the Being has to
actively and speedily deny its HATRED OF ITSELF. To do this denial
the Being is forced to give up the TRUTH and resort to blaming others
for making them violate their Codes, Virtues, Principles, Honesty and
Integrity.
"The Furies" are a violent attempt to defend self and shift the
blame of violations onto others.
The Being has become a master at misdirection, tricks, denying,
and avoiding what violations preceded "The Fury." TRUTH becomes a
weapon of great THREAT of EXTINCTION for it causes the Being to
approach that which could cause the being to VANISH and become
EXTINCT.
The fact is, one of the effects of dramatizing "The Furies,"
causes the Being to make ALL of their CREATIONS EXTINCT.
The desperate solution to the problem of EXTINCTION, has now
become a much greater, more complex problem.
It is this THREAT OF EXTINCTION that has terrified and scared
away all practices, practitioners and client, from handling "The
Furies."
The problem for the Spiritual Being is not "The Furies," it is
what preceded "The Furies." The HATRED OF SELF and the VIOLATIONS OF
ITS HONOR AND SELF WORTH.
You, therefore, have several areas that MUST BE FULLY HANDLED.
They are as follows:
1. Locate and Handle Violations of Codes, Virtues, Principles,
Honesty and Integrity.
2. Locate and Handle the THREATS OF EXTINCTION.
3. Locate and Handle Massive HATRED OF SELF.
4. Locate and Handle "THE FURY DIRECTED TOWARDS SELF."
5. Locate and Handle the DENIAL OF RESPONSIBILITY, and the
MENTAL SHIFT TO BLAME OTHERS. (The source point to becoming a
VICTIM.)
6. Locate and handle the People, Places, Subjects and Things,
the Being has chosen to BLAME and SHAME.
7. Locate and Handle the Construction of Instruments, Devices
and Machines to automatically enforce this BLAME and SHAME.
8. Locate and Handle the Instruments, Devices and Mechanisms
used to obfuscate these BLAME and SHAME Instruments, Devices and
Machines.
9. Locate and Handle the creating RAGE and FURY to direct at
OTHERS, in order to hide the HATRED OF SELF and to shift the BLAME and
SHAME on to OTHERS.
10. Locate and Handle the justifications and rationalizations to
BLAME and SHAME OTHERS.
11. Locate and Handle all the PSYCHIC CONTAINERS or BOXES, the
Being has implemented to Compressed or Restrained itself.
12. Locate and Handle by continuing the rest of the Super Being
Power Prosperity Procedures.
KINDLY AND GENTLY DOES IT!
It requires an incredibly safe, trustful processing team and
environment to process this technology, as the being is going up
against those areas which the Spiritual Being believes can cause it to
become EXTINCT.
What the Being has not realized is, they are already worse than
EXTINCT, they have become SOMEONE or SOMETHING ELSE.
They have long ago ceased being themselves.
UNTIL THE FURIES ARE FULLY HANDLED, A KIND AND GENTLE APPROACH IS
MANDATORY.
ABUSE keeps the THREAT OF EXTINCTION forever present. This
forces the Being to become defensive which accesses them into the
distrustful, distant, cold, angryness of chronic RIGHTNESS, not the
warm, trusting, close, friendliness and purity of TRUTH.
ALAN C. WALTER
8 March 1996 Copyright 1996 Alan C. Walter ALL RIGHTS
RESERVED
______________________________________________________________________
21st Century New Public Series 20
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Tuesday, November 19, 2019
adore494
DESIRE OF THE CREATOR, DESIRE OF THE CREATURE
Hubbard said that there was theta the problem creator, and theta
the problem solver.
Adore says there is the game creator and the game player.
Author and Character.
Creator and Creature.
God and Soul.
The primary opposition of desire then is between the desire of the
game creator to extend the game, and the desire of the player to win the
game.
Justice is that we get what we postulate.
That would be a best of all possible worlds, wouldn't it?
If any justice exists at all then, of course justice reigns at all
times, for the first thing we would have postulated is that it do so.
Thus one can surmise that we want what we have, and we have what we
want, and we have it exactly and only because we want it.
The question is which one of us wants it, the game creator or the
game player?
For those lost in the valley of the shadow of death, this can be a
hard question, for life certainly does not look desirable even as a game
we would have created for ourselves.
No one in their right mind would create themselves and their loved
ones as human in this meat grinder of a universe.
Naivety is thinking they would. :)
Life boggles our sense of could, would and should.
This is overwhelm, overwhelm of our sense of artistic motivation
for the creation of ourselves as creature and the context we live in, we
can't create ourselves big enough as creatures to consider that we were
or are creators over our own game.
"Who me? Not I, Sir! I certainly did not create or even agree to
this game, I am still seeking a place to hide from it!
Thus the creator has created something for itself that exceeds
itself as a creature.
However all of life is God in carnation, thus it can be no other
way.
Thus the creature spends its whole life seeking for who or what
created him, and to chew a bone with it, asking why is it such an
asshole. when in truth God is to be found under your own pillow.
utterly and absolutely where you already are and always will be, here
now.
Doubt in this leads to resentment, faith in this Creator/Creature
relationship should lead to acceptance which leads to vanishment.
Thus recovering for the being that he is playing HIS game, and that
he can call time outs on it periodically to adjust the laws of play,
goes a long ways to making a well and happy being.
No longer human perhaps, for who would call a resentment free
being, human, but recognizable none the less as something to make and be
friends with, in yourself and in others.
The creature doesn't mind playing other people's games too, but
only by HIS choice, and if he gets too impressed with someone else's
game he will want to out do it himself in return favor.
Thus games and trade in games have gotten quite involved, and the
competition as to who can make the roughest, toughest, longest lasting
game is in the semi finals.
The games we lose quickly are no fun, the games we win easily are
no fun either. The games that are the most fun are the games that put a
load on our motor and keep it there.
The fun is in the chase, the quality of that dance from conception
to attainment called time and the effort to win that flows through it.
Caught between the desire for greatness and seriousness, the being
dances as if on the ball floor of hell, dodging the gauntlet of fire to
win whatever bauble he envisions is worth the danger of failure and
defeat.
The only mercy is that if he is defeated utterly, and I do mean
*UTTERLY*, he wakes up to Eternal Omni Awesome Peace again as if the
whole thing never happened.
He designed it this way as his backup out should he never win at
anything ever again.
Thus although the player pretends he wants to win, down deep he
knows the glory is in the play.
In the ideal game, he will play forever and then win at the end
just before his energy runs out :)
Much art only exists where there is form in motion, and thus time,
and time only exists where there is separation between conception and
attainment.
Thus the hardest games are the games of long duration, because they
were and are the most fun, but many of them may be forgotten by now, as
they went on 'too long'.
No they didn't, he's just saying that to keep them going.
If he didn't complain about the game, they might all vanish on him
and everyone else too.
Thus your preclear may be found to be in a state of trying to
continue a game by resisting it, not playing it fully, or trying to win
a game by losing it.
These inversions need to be handled so the preclear can come back
to orientation about what game it is he really wants to play and what
game he is, and has been, playing anyhow born of high appreciation for
ludicrous demise.
Every thing else will handle itself once the vectors of game play
are reoriented towards action and ability and willingness, nay
eagerness, to be here.
Get the idea of Eternal Eagerness.
That games of seriousness and greatness run on courage does not in
any way change any of the above.
Homer
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Hubbard said that there was theta the problem creator, and theta
the problem solver.
Adore says there is the game creator and the game player.
Author and Character.
Creator and Creature.
God and Soul.
The primary opposition of desire then is between the desire of the
game creator to extend the game, and the desire of the player to win the
game.
Justice is that we get what we postulate.
That would be a best of all possible worlds, wouldn't it?
If any justice exists at all then, of course justice reigns at all
times, for the first thing we would have postulated is that it do so.
Thus one can surmise that we want what we have, and we have what we
want, and we have it exactly and only because we want it.
The question is which one of us wants it, the game creator or the
game player?
For those lost in the valley of the shadow of death, this can be a
hard question, for life certainly does not look desirable even as a game
we would have created for ourselves.
No one in their right mind would create themselves and their loved
ones as human in this meat grinder of a universe.
Naivety is thinking they would. :)
Life boggles our sense of could, would and should.
This is overwhelm, overwhelm of our sense of artistic motivation
for the creation of ourselves as creature and the context we live in, we
can't create ourselves big enough as creatures to consider that we were
or are creators over our own game.
"Who me? Not I, Sir! I certainly did not create or even agree to
this game, I am still seeking a place to hide from it!
Thus the creator has created something for itself that exceeds
itself as a creature.
However all of life is God in carnation, thus it can be no other
way.
Thus the creature spends its whole life seeking for who or what
created him, and to chew a bone with it, asking why is it such an
asshole. when in truth God is to be found under your own pillow.
utterly and absolutely where you already are and always will be, here
now.
Doubt in this leads to resentment, faith in this Creator/Creature
relationship should lead to acceptance which leads to vanishment.
Thus recovering for the being that he is playing HIS game, and that
he can call time outs on it periodically to adjust the laws of play,
goes a long ways to making a well and happy being.
No longer human perhaps, for who would call a resentment free
being, human, but recognizable none the less as something to make and be
friends with, in yourself and in others.
The creature doesn't mind playing other people's games too, but
only by HIS choice, and if he gets too impressed with someone else's
game he will want to out do it himself in return favor.
Thus games and trade in games have gotten quite involved, and the
competition as to who can make the roughest, toughest, longest lasting
game is in the semi finals.
The games we lose quickly are no fun, the games we win easily are
no fun either. The games that are the most fun are the games that put a
load on our motor and keep it there.
The fun is in the chase, the quality of that dance from conception
to attainment called time and the effort to win that flows through it.
Caught between the desire for greatness and seriousness, the being
dances as if on the ball floor of hell, dodging the gauntlet of fire to
win whatever bauble he envisions is worth the danger of failure and
defeat.
The only mercy is that if he is defeated utterly, and I do mean
*UTTERLY*, he wakes up to Eternal Omni Awesome Peace again as if the
whole thing never happened.
He designed it this way as his backup out should he never win at
anything ever again.
Thus although the player pretends he wants to win, down deep he
knows the glory is in the play.
In the ideal game, he will play forever and then win at the end
just before his energy runs out :)
Much art only exists where there is form in motion, and thus time,
and time only exists where there is separation between conception and
attainment.
Thus the hardest games are the games of long duration, because they
were and are the most fun, but many of them may be forgotten by now, as
they went on 'too long'.
No they didn't, he's just saying that to keep them going.
If he didn't complain about the game, they might all vanish on him
and everyone else too.
Thus your preclear may be found to be in a state of trying to
continue a game by resisting it, not playing it fully, or trying to win
a game by losing it.
These inversions need to be handled so the preclear can come back
to orientation about what game it is he really wants to play and what
game he is, and has been, playing anyhow born of high appreciation for
ludicrous demise.
Every thing else will handle itself once the vectors of game play
are reoriented towards action and ability and willingness, nay
eagerness, to be here.
Get the idea of Eternal Eagerness.
That games of seriousness and greatness run on courage does not in
any way change any of the above.
Homer
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Friday, November 15, 2019
HELP Part 6 - STATURE
HELP Part 6 - STATURE
A being has stature on all 8 dynamics.
Or at least he should have.
Stature is composed of confidence, composure, equanimity, expert
competence, smooth control, self esteem, respect and forward moving
pride.
Stature IS what is opposed or blocked on the 8 dynamics where the
being is no longer moving forwards or is moving backwards.
Stature is accumulated over years of experience by trial and error,
even tribulation, fighting via pit bull determination and persistence to
hard won knowledge, that allows the being to stand out and be depended
upon in his field.
Adore calls this REGENCY: universal acceptance by others, outside
of one's own normal operating jurisdictions, by virtue of needed,
wanted, and acknowledged superior operating know how.
Stature is greatness.
Greatest is for those who aspire.
Greatest doesn't have to be across the whole world, one can be
quite enough great in his own time, his own land, his own life, his own
associations with friends that are near and dear to him.
Great groups are made of great people, all in their own way, in
their own area of expertise.
Greatness is the flow of the ocean coming in and going out, and
greatness is all the activities we engage in on the 8 dynamics in the
game of give and receive across the universe.
Stature is a measure of how big a being feels when faced by the
ocean waves of the 8 dynamics of life.
At the bottom you have the bug in tar or amber.
A little higher you have the tumble weed, blowing where ever life
takes them, of little value to themselves, and no value to anyone else
except to burn to keep warm.
Higher than that, the being is willing to dive into the ocean to
see if he can cross it, only to be pounded on the bottom or the reefs,
and swept back to shore again and again.
Above him are the people who, while in the ocean, can grab the
flotsam, jetsam and seaweed and tie together a boat, raise a mast, and
fly a sail, and actually get to the other side.
That's what you want to be, that is what you aspire to, if you
dare.
You are a GodSoul after all, you have some serious power behind
you, rooting for you, the power of The Infinite.
But you have to be rooting for yourself, or else the magic doesn't
work.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE STATURE WITH YOURSELF, as your own best friend,
confidant, consultant and councilor.
Most people are not their own best friend.
You have to be able to say God is great, and I am great, because I
am God in carnation!
It's no good being a full instantiation of the Infinite, if you as
the infinite are turned against yourself.
And Class must be your flag of your flagship and that of your
GodSoul.
That *ALL* should live forever and be my friend.
Then get yourself a crew that feels the same way.
Always be a friend to all, they are your brothers and sisters after
all, even if you have to lop heads and let them visit the abyss for a
while, never forever, to get them to come around to being civilized, and
seeing and knowing who their friends are.
Now each dynamic is a journey, from what we are to what we could
be.
We don't just enhance ourselves on each dynamic, we enhance
everyone else on that dynamic too, and they us.
THEIR IS A FAIR EXCHANGE OF ENHANCEMENT AND DEENHANCEMENT between
ourselves and each dynamic that we operate on.
Sometimes we get destroyed on that journey, and rather than pick up
the pieces and try again, we lose stature with ourselves. We give up,
and giving up is not part of stature.
Giving up is part of lying down and putting up a sign that says 'I
been tread upon', and eventually 'Tread on me'.
You feel like the bottom of a cigarette ashtray.
You feel brought low.
Sorrow can do that to you. Nothing like losing a cat to have your
stature reduced to zero.
Sometimes we get scared of ourselves, we put pride out and get
shame back, we didn't intend that, maybe we shouldn't rush in where
angels dare not tread.
Or maybe we should just be aware of the angels hiding in the corner
and take our hint from their whimper before we try again.
The greatest source of failure is UNDERESTIMATION.
Underestimation of your size, your intention, your love, and the
size of your enemy.
Underestimation of greatness, of the enormity of what we are trying
to accomplish, and underestimation of the enormity of the forces that
oppose us.
You are a Soldier in a war between Gods. Get it?
It is hard to fail in the absence of underestimation, because no
matter how big the opposition, if we just know how big it is, it starts
to as-is and melt away. But if we underjudge our opponents, then they
will out persist us until we are but dust in the wind.
Thus failures on all 8 dynamics follow the line of underestimation,
cutting back, daring not, heeding the warnings of those who failed
before us, until we, like them, listen to our own council to not try.
Not so dynamic then, are we.
Better not to try, than to suffer the shame of collateral damage in
vain, to no gain, for nought.
If we are near the bottom of the ocean, we will need to swim up in
order to see the sunlight again, because if we do nothing, we will sink
slowly forever more, as our shame makes us just the tiniest bit heavier
than water.
Joke is, without the shame, we are just that little bit lighter
than water, and so we can float to the surface while taking a rest. But
the closer to the light we come, the more we want to go into action
again, so no way does anyone ever float all the way up to Eternal Omni
Quiescence.
Eternal Rest and Peace.
People go out and play again in the waves that ate them, long
before they get there.
That's the down side of getting better, you try again.
If you can have it forever, why bother?
Apparently games of fall and redemption are far more fun.
But with the shame, inaction is a death knell to anyone so
burdened. They are destined to become sediment at the bottom of the sea
until the next geological upheaval shall free them.
Or not.
So failure in life is not acceptable, not an option, long term it
is not even possible, but do you want to wait a billion years for some
asteroid to hit your tomb to wake you up again into a dim memory of
stature?
So how do you audit this?
Well it starts off with a few understandings.
The first is that you and everyone else is God in carnation,
Creator become Creature, God become Soul, Author become Character,
Source become Sourcer.
God did not CREATE things and life as stuff separate from Him.
God is a chameleon, a shape shifter who shifted his eternal static
scalar shape into the apparency of kinetic manifold that you see around
you and that you are now pretending to be.
A body and its travails.
The second is, that your friends are the High-US, *ALL* of US.
Where you are wishing that someone else weren't part of life, that
energy is NOT being spent increasing your own stature in the sea of the
8 dynamics, it is being spent decreasing theirs.
Where you are calling upon the High-US to help you by harming some
other part of the High-US *FOREVER*, you will receive only the deafening
silence of sediment at the bottom of the sea, from those that have gone
before you and who agreed with you.
Hell is sleeping with haters forever more.
Those who are being harmed the most, wanted to harm the most.
Either before or after, it doesn't matter, but audit out the
wanting to harm forever, and the regret for having done so, and the
being harmed just falls off.
The light will not shine for those who are turned against
themselves by having turned against another and regretted it.
It's the FOREVER in the will to harm that drives the nail in the
coffin of those that wish that kind of ill, for in the end they wish it
off on themselves! It's the regret that glues it together.
It is your darkness that you are trying to put on another to make
their light go out. So whose light goes out now?
It is YOUR loss of stature WITH YOURSELF when you give up on
another no matter how vile or disgusting they may have become. Their
vileness is their loss of stature with themselves, and when you try to
help and fail it becomes contagious.
No part of God can send any other part of God to hell FOREVER, not
even itself.
It says something about YOU, your inabilities to help. your
failures to redeem, and in the end about your future, every time you
turn away from someone *FOREVER*, whom you declare could out create your
acceptance levels of disgust, and whom you could not therefore help
reintegrate into the great team of life to everyone's benefit.
The bane of your existence are those who you damn as eternally
morally irredeemable.
As you flow damnation to others, so to does it flow back to your
own heart.
Its YOUR damnation, you made it, so guess where it rests?
You put yourself down the instant you conceive another should be
put down FOREVER.
You can quarantine another by turning away from them for a while,
but never ever forever.
They must remain on your appointment book, as your best friend,
lost perhaps in a sea of psychosis and hallucination, until you, they,
the High Us and the All-That-Is are reconciled.
"This dream ends forever when the circle of friends are all holding
hands again." - Adore.
The consequences of dissing stature FOREVER in others or your self,
are immediate and inexorable.
They can however be reversed, by simply changing your mind, because
a God can create stature for self and others for ever for free in the
mere conception of it.
Including those who are your most detested terminals.
A person with no stature can't conceive of it!
If you deny that ability to create stature in yourself and others
in the mere conception of it, then you assert you are not God in
carnation, not the commander of your own destiny and the destiny of
others, and you are gone.
For if not you to create stature, then who?
Homer
HELP Part 0, TRIAD
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help0
HELP Part 1, DESIRE AND VIEW
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help1
HELP Part 2, DEPENDENCY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help2
HELP Part 3, PRIDE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help3
HELP Part 4, SUMMARY TO DATE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help4
HELP Part 5, PRIDE BY DYNAMICS
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help5
HELP Part 6, STATURE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help6
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A being has stature on all 8 dynamics.
Or at least he should have.
Stature is composed of confidence, composure, equanimity, expert
competence, smooth control, self esteem, respect and forward moving
pride.
Stature IS what is opposed or blocked on the 8 dynamics where the
being is no longer moving forwards or is moving backwards.
Stature is accumulated over years of experience by trial and error,
even tribulation, fighting via pit bull determination and persistence to
hard won knowledge, that allows the being to stand out and be depended
upon in his field.
Adore calls this REGENCY: universal acceptance by others, outside
of one's own normal operating jurisdictions, by virtue of needed,
wanted, and acknowledged superior operating know how.
Stature is greatness.
Greatest is for those who aspire.
Greatest doesn't have to be across the whole world, one can be
quite enough great in his own time, his own land, his own life, his own
associations with friends that are near and dear to him.
Great groups are made of great people, all in their own way, in
their own area of expertise.
Greatness is the flow of the ocean coming in and going out, and
greatness is all the activities we engage in on the 8 dynamics in the
game of give and receive across the universe.
Stature is a measure of how big a being feels when faced by the
ocean waves of the 8 dynamics of life.
At the bottom you have the bug in tar or amber.
A little higher you have the tumble weed, blowing where ever life
takes them, of little value to themselves, and no value to anyone else
except to burn to keep warm.
Higher than that, the being is willing to dive into the ocean to
see if he can cross it, only to be pounded on the bottom or the reefs,
and swept back to shore again and again.
Above him are the people who, while in the ocean, can grab the
flotsam, jetsam and seaweed and tie together a boat, raise a mast, and
fly a sail, and actually get to the other side.
That's what you want to be, that is what you aspire to, if you
dare.
You are a GodSoul after all, you have some serious power behind
you, rooting for you, the power of The Infinite.
But you have to be rooting for yourself, or else the magic doesn't
work.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE STATURE WITH YOURSELF, as your own best friend,
confidant, consultant and councilor.
Most people are not their own best friend.
You have to be able to say God is great, and I am great, because I
am God in carnation!
It's no good being a full instantiation of the Infinite, if you as
the infinite are turned against yourself.
And Class must be your flag of your flagship and that of your
GodSoul.
That *ALL* should live forever and be my friend.
Then get yourself a crew that feels the same way.
Always be a friend to all, they are your brothers and sisters after
all, even if you have to lop heads and let them visit the abyss for a
while, never forever, to get them to come around to being civilized, and
seeing and knowing who their friends are.
Now each dynamic is a journey, from what we are to what we could
be.
We don't just enhance ourselves on each dynamic, we enhance
everyone else on that dynamic too, and they us.
THEIR IS A FAIR EXCHANGE OF ENHANCEMENT AND DEENHANCEMENT between
ourselves and each dynamic that we operate on.
Sometimes we get destroyed on that journey, and rather than pick up
the pieces and try again, we lose stature with ourselves. We give up,
and giving up is not part of stature.
Giving up is part of lying down and putting up a sign that says 'I
been tread upon', and eventually 'Tread on me'.
You feel like the bottom of a cigarette ashtray.
You feel brought low.
Sorrow can do that to you. Nothing like losing a cat to have your
stature reduced to zero.
Sometimes we get scared of ourselves, we put pride out and get
shame back, we didn't intend that, maybe we shouldn't rush in where
angels dare not tread.
Or maybe we should just be aware of the angels hiding in the corner
and take our hint from their whimper before we try again.
The greatest source of failure is UNDERESTIMATION.
Underestimation of your size, your intention, your love, and the
size of your enemy.
Underestimation of greatness, of the enormity of what we are trying
to accomplish, and underestimation of the enormity of the forces that
oppose us.
You are a Soldier in a war between Gods. Get it?
It is hard to fail in the absence of underestimation, because no
matter how big the opposition, if we just know how big it is, it starts
to as-is and melt away. But if we underjudge our opponents, then they
will out persist us until we are but dust in the wind.
Thus failures on all 8 dynamics follow the line of underestimation,
cutting back, daring not, heeding the warnings of those who failed
before us, until we, like them, listen to our own council to not try.
Not so dynamic then, are we.
Better not to try, than to suffer the shame of collateral damage in
vain, to no gain, for nought.
If we are near the bottom of the ocean, we will need to swim up in
order to see the sunlight again, because if we do nothing, we will sink
slowly forever more, as our shame makes us just the tiniest bit heavier
than water.
Joke is, without the shame, we are just that little bit lighter
than water, and so we can float to the surface while taking a rest. But
the closer to the light we come, the more we want to go into action
again, so no way does anyone ever float all the way up to Eternal Omni
Quiescence.
Eternal Rest and Peace.
People go out and play again in the waves that ate them, long
before they get there.
That's the down side of getting better, you try again.
If you can have it forever, why bother?
Apparently games of fall and redemption are far more fun.
But with the shame, inaction is a death knell to anyone so
burdened. They are destined to become sediment at the bottom of the sea
until the next geological upheaval shall free them.
Or not.
So failure in life is not acceptable, not an option, long term it
is not even possible, but do you want to wait a billion years for some
asteroid to hit your tomb to wake you up again into a dim memory of
stature?
So how do you audit this?
Well it starts off with a few understandings.
The first is that you and everyone else is God in carnation,
Creator become Creature, God become Soul, Author become Character,
Source become Sourcer.
God did not CREATE things and life as stuff separate from Him.
God is a chameleon, a shape shifter who shifted his eternal static
scalar shape into the apparency of kinetic manifold that you see around
you and that you are now pretending to be.
A body and its travails.
The second is, that your friends are the High-US, *ALL* of US.
Where you are wishing that someone else weren't part of life, that
energy is NOT being spent increasing your own stature in the sea of the
8 dynamics, it is being spent decreasing theirs.
Where you are calling upon the High-US to help you by harming some
other part of the High-US *FOREVER*, you will receive only the deafening
silence of sediment at the bottom of the sea, from those that have gone
before you and who agreed with you.
Hell is sleeping with haters forever more.
Those who are being harmed the most, wanted to harm the most.
Either before or after, it doesn't matter, but audit out the
wanting to harm forever, and the regret for having done so, and the
being harmed just falls off.
The light will not shine for those who are turned against
themselves by having turned against another and regretted it.
It's the FOREVER in the will to harm that drives the nail in the
coffin of those that wish that kind of ill, for in the end they wish it
off on themselves! It's the regret that glues it together.
It is your darkness that you are trying to put on another to make
their light go out. So whose light goes out now?
It is YOUR loss of stature WITH YOURSELF when you give up on
another no matter how vile or disgusting they may have become. Their
vileness is their loss of stature with themselves, and when you try to
help and fail it becomes contagious.
No part of God can send any other part of God to hell FOREVER, not
even itself.
It says something about YOU, your inabilities to help. your
failures to redeem, and in the end about your future, every time you
turn away from someone *FOREVER*, whom you declare could out create your
acceptance levels of disgust, and whom you could not therefore help
reintegrate into the great team of life to everyone's benefit.
The bane of your existence are those who you damn as eternally
morally irredeemable.
As you flow damnation to others, so to does it flow back to your
own heart.
Its YOUR damnation, you made it, so guess where it rests?
You put yourself down the instant you conceive another should be
put down FOREVER.
You can quarantine another by turning away from them for a while,
but never ever forever.
They must remain on your appointment book, as your best friend,
lost perhaps in a sea of psychosis and hallucination, until you, they,
the High Us and the All-That-Is are reconciled.
"This dream ends forever when the circle of friends are all holding
hands again." - Adore.
The consequences of dissing stature FOREVER in others or your self,
are immediate and inexorable.
They can however be reversed, by simply changing your mind, because
a God can create stature for self and others for ever for free in the
mere conception of it.
Including those who are your most detested terminals.
A person with no stature can't conceive of it!
If you deny that ability to create stature in yourself and others
in the mere conception of it, then you assert you are not God in
carnation, not the commander of your own destiny and the destiny of
others, and you are gone.
For if not you to create stature, then who?
Homer
HELP Part 0, TRIAD
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help0
HELP Part 1, DESIRE AND VIEW
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help1
HELP Part 2, DEPENDENCY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help2
HELP Part 3, PRIDE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help3
HELP Part 4, SUMMARY TO DATE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help4
HELP Part 5, PRIDE BY DYNAMICS
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help5
HELP Part 6, STATURE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help6
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Thursday, November 14, 2019
Re: ADORE3
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HAVE FOR A WHILE, LOSE FOREVER
It turns out things are more serious than I thought.
Your average human being is suffering PTSD just from being alive,
based on
"What ever you can get you can't keep, you can have it for a while,
but then you must lose it forever."
This leads to "better not get" so you don't end up in "don't have
forever."
Homer
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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> JEANETTE ROGERS (HERE-I-YAM@email.msn.com) wrote:
>
>> Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>> Hi Homer,
>
>> I'm afraid much of the above is over my head. I couldn't quite relate to
>> it.
>
> Sure you can, remember a time you 'will *NEVER* forgive' someone.
>
> That's a forever and thus a dramatization, it brings DRAMA to a
> situation rather than peace, vanishment and void.
>
>> But one thing for sure, there definitely is something wrong with "forever."
>> It seems to be a bit late on the track to be really basic, more like a 3rd
>> postulate or something.
>
> It's an effort to make sure something NEVER happens again, or
> ALWAYS happens again, its an effort to create a permanent PERSISTENCE.
>
> Run
>
> "What would it be ok to have be for just a while."
> "What would it not be ok to have be for just a while."
>
>> Or, to put it another way, "forever" is possibly all the more devious
>> because it harmonizes with (or is a mockery of) a theta truth.
>
> Yes, it is an effort to bring the non temporal eternality of
> static into being as a termporal eternity of MEST.
>
> Something forever is hell forever.
>
> Nothing forever is death forever.
>
> Cycling between something and nothing, manifest and unmanifest
> forever is "fair chosen peace via hell and high water".
>
> In other words you can (willingly) have something as long as you
> can have nothing, and you can have nothing as long as you can have
> something, but if you HAVE to have something forever, then you begin
> to seek nothing forever, and if you HAVE to have nothing forever you
> begin to seek something forever, and see saw between the two
> endlessly, life after life.
>
> Hell forever - > Death Forever -> Hell forever -> Death forever
>
> Meatball -> Christian -> Meatball -> Christian.
>
> Homer
>
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> Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
> but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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HAVE FOR A WHILE, LOSE FOREVER
It turns out things are more serious than I thought.
Your average human being is suffering PTSD just from being alive,
based on
"What ever you can get you can't keep, you can have it for a while,
but then you must lose it forever."
This leads to "better not get" so you don't end up in "don't have
forever."
Homer
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2019, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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> JEANETTE ROGERS (HERE-I-YAM@email.msn.com) wrote:
>
>> Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>> Hi Homer,
>
>> I'm afraid much of the above is over my head. I couldn't quite relate to
>> it.
>
> Sure you can, remember a time you 'will *NEVER* forgive' someone.
>
> That's a forever and thus a dramatization, it brings DRAMA to a
> situation rather than peace, vanishment and void.
>
>> But one thing for sure, there definitely is something wrong with "forever."
>> It seems to be a bit late on the track to be really basic, more like a 3rd
>> postulate or something.
>
> It's an effort to make sure something NEVER happens again, or
> ALWAYS happens again, its an effort to create a permanent PERSISTENCE.
>
> Run
>
> "What would it be ok to have be for just a while."
> "What would it not be ok to have be for just a while."
>
>> Or, to put it another way, "forever" is possibly all the more devious
>> because it harmonizes with (or is a mockery of) a theta truth.
>
> Yes, it is an effort to bring the non temporal eternality of
> static into being as a termporal eternity of MEST.
>
> Something forever is hell forever.
>
> Nothing forever is death forever.
>
> Cycling between something and nothing, manifest and unmanifest
> forever is "fair chosen peace via hell and high water".
>
> In other words you can (willingly) have something as long as you
> can have nothing, and you can have nothing as long as you can have
> something, but if you HAVE to have something forever, then you begin
> to seek nothing forever, and if you HAVE to have nothing forever you
> begin to seek something forever, and see saw between the two
> endlessly, life after life.
>
> Hell forever - > Death Forever -> Hell forever -> Death forever
>
> Meatball -> Christian -> Meatball -> Christian.
>
> Homer
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> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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YOU 2
"But I *KNOW* my brain exists, I have *SEEN* it!"
Of course you have, but you have also seen an apple.
That doesn't mean the *APPLE* exists, that only means that the
*SEEING* of the apple exists.
The seeing of the apple is a zero dimensional color form conscious
object, not a multidimensional space time object.
If it were, you couldn't see it.
That's because you can't see *ANYTHING* across a distance.
Remember the defining facility of consciousness is perfect
certainty, and seeing is always perfect certainty of seeing.
You see the red apple and you know you see the red apple, what you
see may be imagination, hallucination, sensory display, or a dream, but
the seeing of the apple exists, certainly. There may be hallucinations
in consciousness but there are no hallucinations OF consciousness.
And no you are not someone else's hallucination.
The world you see around you is a hallucination in the mind of God
(you), the external world is a virtual reality, but *YOU* are actual.
A virtual reality or a hallucination can not see a virtual reality
or a hallucination, thus you which can see both are actual.
All consciousness-of is certainty-of, and all certainty-of is
consciousness-of. There are no exceptions.
Learning with certainty across a distance is impossible.
Thus two objects separated from each other by a space or time
distance can never be certain of each other, and thus can never see each
other.
Thus if the apple were a physical object out there, and you were a
conscious unit here, with space and time between the two of you, you
could't ever see the apple.
The brain is a virtual machine in a virtual reality, a conscious
dream if you will.
The conscious unit is an eternal actuality experiencing the virtual
realities of space and time.
If the brain were to go away, the worst that would happen is that
the data picture of the virtual reality which the conscious unit is
experiencing would go away, but the conscious unit would remain and
continue to be self aware. That's like the show going away, but the TV
remains on with static on the screen.
Remember the existence of an observer of a virtual reality can
never be dependent in any way what so ever on anything IN the virtual
reality.
But really if that's true, the brain could go away, and the
conscious unit would continue to see just fine, as the conscious unit
isn't using any part of the virtual reality to see the virtual reality,
although it dearly loves to pretend that it is.
This is a fair chosen delusion, don't belittle it.
Seeing the virtual reality is not a function or process in the
virtual reality,
Seeing is a function and process in the eternal actuality that is
self luminous conscious experience.
It is of interest that seeing likes to see virtual realities in
space and time, and pretend that these apparencies are actuality upon
which seeing itself depends for its very existence.
People think that because it looks like it is out there,
it must come from something out there.
This is wrong, virtual realities of things out there, do not
come from anything out there, they come from you directly.
Homer
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YOU 2
"But I *KNOW* my brain exists, I have *SEEN* it!"
Of course you have, but you have also seen an apple.
That doesn't mean the *APPLE* exists, that only means that the
*SEEING* of the apple exists.
The seeing of the apple is a zero dimensional color form conscious
object, not a multidimensional space time object.
If it were, you couldn't see it.
That's because you can't see *ANYTHING* across a distance.
Remember the defining facility of consciousness is perfect
certainty, and seeing is always perfect certainty of seeing.
You see the red apple and you know you see the red apple, what you
see may be imagination, hallucination, sensory display, or a dream, but
the seeing of the apple exists, certainly. There may be hallucinations
in consciousness but there are no hallucinations OF consciousness.
And no you are not someone else's hallucination.
The world you see around you is a hallucination in the mind of God
(you), the external world is a virtual reality, but *YOU* are actual.
A virtual reality or a hallucination can not see a virtual reality
or a hallucination, thus you which can see both are actual.
All consciousness-of is certainty-of, and all certainty-of is
consciousness-of. There are no exceptions.
Learning with certainty across a distance is impossible.
Thus two objects separated from each other by a space or time
distance can never be certain of each other, and thus can never see each
other.
Thus if the apple were a physical object out there, and you were a
conscious unit here, with space and time between the two of you, you
could't ever see the apple.
The brain is a virtual machine in a virtual reality, a conscious
dream if you will.
The conscious unit is an eternal actuality experiencing the virtual
realities of space and time.
If the brain were to go away, the worst that would happen is that
the data picture of the virtual reality which the conscious unit is
experiencing would go away, but the conscious unit would remain and
continue to be self aware. That's like the show going away, but the TV
remains on with static on the screen.
Remember the existence of an observer of a virtual reality can
never be dependent in any way what so ever on anything IN the virtual
reality.
But really if that's true, the brain could go away, and the
conscious unit would continue to see just fine, as the conscious unit
isn't using any part of the virtual reality to see the virtual reality,
although it dearly loves to pretend that it is.
This is a fair chosen delusion, don't belittle it.
Seeing the virtual reality is not a function or process in the
virtual reality,
Seeing is a function and process in the eternal actuality that is
self luminous conscious experience.
It is of interest that seeing likes to see virtual realities in
space and time, and pretend that these apparencies are actuality upon
which seeing itself depends for its very existence.
People think that because it looks like it is out there,
it must come from something out there.
This is wrong, virtual realities of things out there, do not
come from anything out there, they come from you directly.
Homer
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DEMANDS FOR PROOF
CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
> Closer for me would be: we don't need to be goaded by others demands no
> matter what threats they may use, no matter what they say the refusal
> "implies" about us, and whether others will believe the derogatory
> "implication." Bottom line is if we don't wanna, and doing what's
> demanded goes against our better judgment and intuitions, then don't, and
> be willing to take whatever consequences. It's more about respecting
> oneself and own intuitions. If the demander is disrespectful, that's THEIR
> problem, I don't need to make it mine.
Correct.
Basically the person demanding proof of powers really needs to
run the Prime Directive rundown. That's what the honest person wants,
a resolution to what powers he wants to have, and what he would do
with them.
PRIME DIRECTIVE RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/homer/prime
Somewhere in there he will cognite with great force that power
exists and its ok that he "doesn't have any". It's actually a power
to not have powers, the magic of no magic.
His actual cog will be along the lines of "Holy Smoke, I got LOTS
of power and I am using it all the time, but I'm just going to stay
acceptable for the moment, thank you very much."
You know the game of power became SO dangerous, that it wasn't
even safe to HAVE the power even if you never ever used it. It wasn't
even enough to *PRETEND* you didn't have it, you really had to not
have it to be safe.
"How would it be acceptable to have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to have power?"
"How would it be acceptable to not have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to not have power?"
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
> Closer for me would be: we don't need to be goaded by others demands no
> matter what threats they may use, no matter what they say the refusal
> "implies" about us, and whether others will believe the derogatory
> "implication." Bottom line is if we don't wanna, and doing what's
> demanded goes against our better judgment and intuitions, then don't, and
> be willing to take whatever consequences. It's more about respecting
> oneself and own intuitions. If the demander is disrespectful, that's THEIR
> problem, I don't need to make it mine.
Correct.
Basically the person demanding proof of powers really needs to
run the Prime Directive rundown. That's what the honest person wants,
a resolution to what powers he wants to have, and what he would do
with them.
PRIME DIRECTIVE RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/homer/prime
Somewhere in there he will cognite with great force that power
exists and its ok that he "doesn't have any". It's actually a power
to not have powers, the magic of no magic.
His actual cog will be along the lines of "Holy Smoke, I got LOTS
of power and I am using it all the time, but I'm just going to stay
acceptable for the moment, thank you very much."
You know the game of power became SO dangerous, that it wasn't
even safe to HAVE the power even if you never ever used it. It wasn't
even enough to *PRETEND* you didn't have it, you really had to not
have it to be safe.
"How would it be acceptable to have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to have power?"
"How would it be acceptable to not have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to not have power?"
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>Closer for me would be: we don't need to be goaded by others demands no
>matter what threats they may use, no matter what they say the refusal
>"implies" about us, and whether others will believe the derogatory
>"implication." Bottom line is if we don't wanna, and doing what's
>demanded goes against our better judgment and intuitions, then don't, and
>be willing to take whatever consequences. It's more about respecting
>oneself and own intuitions. If the demander is disrespectful, that's THEIR
>problem, I don't need to make it mine.
Correct.
Basically the person demanding proof of powers really needs to
run the Prime Directive rundown. That's what the honest person wants,
a resolution to what powers he wants to have, and what he would do
with them.
PRIME DIRECTIVE RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/homer/prime
Somewhere in there he will cognite with great force that power
exists and its ok that he "doesn't have any". It's actually a power
to not have powers, the magic of no magic.
His actual cog will be along the lines of "Holy Smoke, I got LOTS
of power and I am using it all the time, but I'm just going to stay
acceptable for the moment, thank you very much."
You know the game of power became SO dangerous, that it wasn't
even safe to HAVE the power even if you never ever used it. It wasn't
even enough to *PRETEND* you didn't have it, you really had to not
have it to be safe.
"How would it be acceptable to have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to have power?"
"How would it be acceptable to not have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to not have power?"
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>Closer for me would be: we don't need to be goaded by others demands no
>matter what threats they may use, no matter what they say the refusal
>"implies" about us, and whether others will believe the derogatory
>"implication." Bottom line is if we don't wanna, and doing what's
>demanded goes against our better judgment and intuitions, then don't, and
>be willing to take whatever consequences. It's more about respecting
>oneself and own intuitions. If the demander is disrespectful, that's THEIR
>problem, I don't need to make it mine.
Correct.
Basically the person demanding proof of powers really needs to
run the Prime Directive rundown. That's what the honest person wants,
a resolution to what powers he wants to have, and what he would do
with them.
PRIME DIRECTIVE RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/homer/prime
Somewhere in there he will cognite with great force that power
exists and its ok that he "doesn't have any". It's actually a power
to not have powers, the magic of no magic.
His actual cog will be along the lines of "Holy Smoke, I got LOTS
of power and I am using it all the time, but I'm just going to stay
acceptable for the moment, thank you very much."
You know the game of power became SO dangerous, that it wasn't
even safe to HAVE the power even if you never ever used it. It wasn't
even enough to *PRETEND* you didn't have it, you really had to not
have it to be safe.
"How would it be acceptable to have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to have power?"
"How would it be acceptable to not have power?"
"How would it be unacceptable to not have power?"
Homer
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HELL FOREVER AND DEATH FOREVER
This is a difficult posting as it was written early, quickly,
and with little review and basically its a mess.
The differences between forever in time and forever above
time have been discussed extensively in TRIAD and later postings,
so won't be repeated here.
TRIAD
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help0
In this posting the word 'forever' means 'forever in time',
not the eternal 'foreverness' of eternality above space and time.
Homer:
>> Something forever is hell forever.
JEANETTE ROGERS (HERE-I-YAM@email.msn.com) wrote:
>Something forever is just something forever. The "hell" part is
>discretionary.
Adore claims that being stuck with ANYTHING forever in time is a
hell to the thetan because it violates his sovereignty on the matter, to
be able to have and not have at will, and be able to return to the
static and leave or enter any game at will.
Thus one finds that heaven forever is offered to the thetan as a
trap to stick him in a detested hell forever. Self determined pleasure
is a good thing, enforced pleasure FOREVER is not.
Thus Adore says,
"Eternal On is Hell Forever
Eternal Off is Death Forever."
((At the time Adore was writtein 1985, the clear distinction
between eternal forevers, and temporal forevers had not been made.
Since being OFF forever in time and eternally off above time
are not much different from each other, things become more confused.
Eternality allows for true OFFness above space and time
but also allows for true ONness in space and time for a while.
Below that a being can get stuck in unconsciousness which
is an apparent but faux OFFness IN time.
Once he fails to see that IN TIME is always only for a while,
he starts to conceive of being stuck in time FOREVER, and this
ultimately becomes a hell forever IN TIME. The hell is broken by
auditing out the FOREVER IN TIME, and restoring awareness and choice
about ETERNAL FOREVER above time.
We now call these ETERNAL FOREVER of which there really is only
one, and TEMPORAL FOREVERS of which there are an infinite number of
different ones, all of which are false apparencies casted by doubt of
the finiteness of any time while.
Thus we have eternality above time, faux immortality in time,
and faux mortality in time.))
Adore stipulates that perhaps the reason thetans finally choose the
belief in mortality is to escape a detested immortality.
That's a detested forever IN TIME.
To run out the mortality then, the belief in forever OFF in time,
one would run out the detested immortality or the forever ON in time
that came before.
>> ENFORCED Nothing forever is death forever.
>Nothing forever is a static. No?
No, enforced nothing forever (death in time) is only a hideous
mimickry of the true eternal unmanifestation, sleep, or 'nothingness' of
the static.
HAVING to be nothing forever in time without the option to manifest
and have something, is death forever.
Thus thetans who get a glimpse of static, anhiliation etc, try to
hold on hard to being SOMETHING, because they don't want to be nothing
FOREVER. It's a mistaken perception that the anhiliation is forever,
but its an easy mistake to make.
>This is an accurate enough description of aberration and "getting what one
>resists," but always remember we are dealing with thetans, thetans CAN
>CHANGE THEIR MINDS and needn't always be subservient to the mechanics of
>aberration.
Of course, there ARE no actual forevers, but the warp and woof of
aberration and games are put together with the idea that there are.
"Nothing is (eternally) forever except people and peace." - Adore
By people, Adore means static thetans.
Adore claims that time is made in finite WHILES, complete with
beginning and end, they can be as long as the thetan wants, but they are
always finite. Thus no created things can be forever, because all
created things are created inside a WHILE, and thus must end when the
WHILE does.
Thus by auditing the forever (in time) component, be it good or
bad, one will find the core issues that keep the aberration in place.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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HELL FOREVER AND DEATH FOREVER
This is a difficult posting as it was written early, quickly,
and with little review and basically its a mess.
The differences between forever in time and forever above
time have been discussed extensively in TRIAD and later postings,
so won't be repeated here.
TRIAD
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help0
In this posting the word 'forever' means 'forever in time',
not the eternal 'foreverness' of eternality above space and time.
Homer:
>> Something forever is hell forever.
JEANETTE ROGERS (HERE-I-YAM@email.msn.com) wrote:
>Something forever is just something forever. The "hell" part is
>discretionary.
Adore claims that being stuck with ANYTHING forever in time is a
hell to the thetan because it violates his sovereignty on the matter, to
be able to have and not have at will, and be able to return to the
static and leave or enter any game at will.
Thus one finds that heaven forever is offered to the thetan as a
trap to stick him in a detested hell forever. Self determined pleasure
is a good thing, enforced pleasure FOREVER is not.
Thus Adore says,
"Eternal On is Hell Forever
Eternal Off is Death Forever."
((At the time Adore was writtein 1985, the clear distinction
between eternal forevers, and temporal forevers had not been made.
Since being OFF forever in time and eternally off above time
are not much different from each other, things become more confused.
Eternality allows for true OFFness above space and time
but also allows for true ONness in space and time for a while.
Below that a being can get stuck in unconsciousness which
is an apparent but faux OFFness IN time.
Once he fails to see that IN TIME is always only for a while,
he starts to conceive of being stuck in time FOREVER, and this
ultimately becomes a hell forever IN TIME. The hell is broken by
auditing out the FOREVER IN TIME, and restoring awareness and choice
about ETERNAL FOREVER above time.
We now call these ETERNAL FOREVER of which there really is only
one, and TEMPORAL FOREVERS of which there are an infinite number of
different ones, all of which are false apparencies casted by doubt of
the finiteness of any time while.
Thus we have eternality above time, faux immortality in time,
and faux mortality in time.))
Adore stipulates that perhaps the reason thetans finally choose the
belief in mortality is to escape a detested immortality.
That's a detested forever IN TIME.
To run out the mortality then, the belief in forever OFF in time,
one would run out the detested immortality or the forever ON in time
that came before.
>> ENFORCED Nothing forever is death forever.
>Nothing forever is a static. No?
No, enforced nothing forever (death in time) is only a hideous
mimickry of the true eternal unmanifestation, sleep, or 'nothingness' of
the static.
HAVING to be nothing forever in time without the option to manifest
and have something, is death forever.
Thus thetans who get a glimpse of static, anhiliation etc, try to
hold on hard to being SOMETHING, because they don't want to be nothing
FOREVER. It's a mistaken perception that the anhiliation is forever,
but its an easy mistake to make.
>This is an accurate enough description of aberration and "getting what one
>resists," but always remember we are dealing with thetans, thetans CAN
>CHANGE THEIR MINDS and needn't always be subservient to the mechanics of
>aberration.
Of course, there ARE no actual forevers, but the warp and woof of
aberration and games are put together with the idea that there are.
"Nothing is (eternally) forever except people and peace." - Adore
By people, Adore means static thetans.
Adore claims that time is made in finite WHILES, complete with
beginning and end, they can be as long as the thetan wants, but they are
always finite. Thus no created things can be forever, because all
created things are created inside a WHILE, and thus must end when the
WHILE does.
Thus by auditing the forever (in time) component, be it good or
bad, one will find the core issues that keep the aberration in place.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Thursday, November 7, 2019
WHAT A GOOD RELIGION SHOULD
WHAT A GOOD RELIGION SHOULD DO
There are many good religions in this universe.
Just not on Earth.
At its heart a religion needs to provide two things.
First, religion needs to provide a desirable view of the world.
Second, religion needs to provide a workable approach to the
questions and problems of life based on that world view.
DESIRE
The way these High Priest guys enslave people is by getting them to
accept an undesirable view of the world, a view that is in direct
conflict with the soul's inner most desires, how the soul wishes things
were.
This creates a permanent disharmony within the soul about the
Cosmic All and results in a dwindling spiral from there on out.
The soul is now condemned to accepting forever a world view that he
doesn't want, and that powers the Hell's Forever that he inexorably gets
into.
Eventually personal integrity is no more, as the soul finally
forces himself to believe that what he wants is what he has been
offered, and he gladly slides down the tubes that are provided, with
glee.
Don't worry, its all only for a while.
The soul himself has probably done the same thing to others, either
before or after having his own world view tainted. In this life, much
of his suffering can be traced back to his own efforts to push false
religions in the past on the whole track.
The way to happiness is a true confession.
Thus getting the soul to take an honest inventory of what he really
wants goes a long ways towards correcting his downfall.
Many beings will be so far gone they won't be able to admit what
they really want, for the bitter noble hopelessness of it all is just
too great to bear.
Adults find it hard to cry like a baby.
But over time this inaccessibility can be alleviated with skill and
persistence in the matter.
The cost of laughter is tears, classy tears.
Another thing is that a true religion doesn't need a Messiah, it
doesn't need to become a cult of personality.
A Messiah is a teacher, we are all Messiah's, if reluctant.
Its only a matter of having the knoweldge and being willoing
to step up to the plate, or the soapbox if you prefer.
Souls are powered by what they desire, and if you can find what
they desire you will have your religion.
Not the petty desires of hatred and separation FOREVER, but the
desires of fair chosen Spirit of Play and grand escapade.
Thus the ideal religion would set down enough basic operational
principles that would appeal directly to the true desires of the soul,
and from which all souls could then derive whatever other wisdom they
needed on their own, in accord with their own foundations.
Once a soul is his own High Priest, he is free to restore awareness
of always having been one with God again.
The soul IS God in carnation, so he already has his Messiah if he
would just look.
"Fame is a rock, let the rocks be used to record the words of
truth, and not the names of who spoke them." - Adore
APPROACH
Approach means knowing how to deal with the breakdowns and
malfunctions of life.
An approach to the questions and problems of life results naturally
from having a correct view of what we want, and having such an approach
is part of what we want.
But you can't just go up to someone and ask them what they want,
they have been living under the clouds in city lights for so long they
can't imagine the sun above the clouds.
To most people then, 'what they want' is conceived only in the
context of what they think they can have. Thus people live lives of
founded on sour grapes.
Someone says they have 'seen the light', and others think there is
a new neon sign in town.
Most problems in life result from unresolvable disharmony within
the soul itself, caused by undesirable world views, thus a technology
for recovering for the being what he really wants will restore him to
his seat of glory, beauty, equanimity and sovereignty so he can play
again.
Uh, that's because you can have what you really want.
All the things you can't have are really things you don't want
anyhow.
That's a big statement, don't go by it.
And then beyond that it helps to have some understandings about how
things work, which again reflects the soul's desires of how he would
want them to work in the first place.
Desire = Truth and Truth = Desirable.
Always look to what you want, in the grand scheme of things, if you
want to see the truth.
The most important of these is understanding the relationship of
confront and acceptance to vanishment, and of cringe and flinch to
persistence of unwanted conditions, both in yourself and in others.
Most people have acceptance confused with resignation to
persistence. Nothing could be further from the truth. You can vanish a
brick wall with acceptance, but there is a lot of charge there, solidity
in time is one of the soul's greatest mortal enemies of all time.
To vanish a brick wall you would have to have recovered your God
hood above all other God's and have not a single stain of anger, fear, or
sorrow in sight.
The way a God gets something to persist is to make it, put it there,
then resent it is there.
Silly, isn't it?
That's called High Appreciation for Ludicrous Demise by Adore.
Better to vanish your stuffed nose, bad eye sight or crumpled back,
start in your own universe and clean it up first.
Then work on others.
Then maybe practice on making brick walls.
*THEN* maybe you might vanish one you made.
Another important understanding is that Source creates what Source
is not, thus although the physical universe and the body tend to run on
must never happen again, the soul runs on the ability to do it again.
In fact he had better be able to do anything for as long as necessary
for a while.
Push once, the door closes AND LOCKS. Push again, the door opens.
Make it once and it persists. Make it again and it vanishes.
A soul that can't do it again, will get stuck with anything he does
once and doesn't like.
The body hates making bad things again on the physical plane,
because it makes things worse for the body, but even a body can be
healed by running out the incident by 'making it again' in the mind.
Another understanding is that shame is a lie, a con itself, that
got one into further shame when it didn't work. That's a hard one, but
clearing out shame and the con of feeling ashamed will restore the soul
to its own native beauty, glory and self love.
This allows the soul to better relate to others who are still in a
state of apparent self disgrace.
Needless to say trying to shame others is a very bad sin, because
it enforces the lie of the shame that one's self is in.
"The proper punishment for sin is Divine Magnificence." - Adore
"...
There is one more terror,
Eternal shame is the error.
There is only one blame,
The Eternal Name is not Shame. " - Adore
http://www.adore.com
Another understanding is that we are all the multi I-AM God in
carnation and thus we are all fair chosen brothers, and we need to get
with the program of ultimate eternal togetherness and the illusions of
fair chosen separation and unreconcilable differences.
One of the biggest understandings of course is that the world is a
projected dream in the multi body of the multi I-AM God, crystalized into
apparent solidity from our own fear.
Can a dream spider bite a dream body?
Yes, if you forget it is a dream and run away from the spider in
earnest.
One solidifies and interiorizes into a single stuck viewpoint to
the exact degree that one detests it as absolute and immutable.
Any approach to clearing should be able to find and deal with
detested self images, that's about all a being can get stuck to.
Waking life is a non lucid dream for many. They use their
conscious experience all day long as a symbol to represent what they
think is a physical universe out there.
They either think the symbol IS the referent, or they think that
because they see a symbol there must BE a referent, which referent looks
exactly like the symbol, only they think it is objective rather than
subjective.
The physical universe is more like a data package that resides in
the library of eternity, and souls that connect to that package and
render its contents in the color TV screen of their consciousness. They
see space and time, but there never was any.
We are all here now.
The conscious viewing projectors of space and time have themselves
no space or time, nor does anything else that is actual.
In the end as Adore says, "the source of all suffering is the fair
chosen adore-operation of cool, class, halcyon, sin-song, thrill and
romance, via living majestic intelligence and proud fancy free
faithlessness of grand and excalibur design. I need this to be true,
and this I adore."
In other words 'artful dodge'.
For a better understanding of that goto www.adore.com.
Eventually these understandings end up in an operational peace born
of humor and mastery of the practical joke engineered by the Imp Soul on
himself.
And justice is restored, because justice never left.
"Laughter is the only kind justice there is, and the only justice
you will ever need for ever for real." - Adore
Are you willing to cry and laugh yourself to sleep, rather than
just cry long and lonely goodbyes?
Homer
Sun Oct 22 17:53:48 EDT 2017
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There are many good religions in this universe.
Just not on Earth.
At its heart a religion needs to provide two things.
First, religion needs to provide a desirable view of the world.
Second, religion needs to provide a workable approach to the
questions and problems of life based on that world view.
DESIRE
The way these High Priest guys enslave people is by getting them to
accept an undesirable view of the world, a view that is in direct
conflict with the soul's inner most desires, how the soul wishes things
were.
This creates a permanent disharmony within the soul about the
Cosmic All and results in a dwindling spiral from there on out.
The soul is now condemned to accepting forever a world view that he
doesn't want, and that powers the Hell's Forever that he inexorably gets
into.
Eventually personal integrity is no more, as the soul finally
forces himself to believe that what he wants is what he has been
offered, and he gladly slides down the tubes that are provided, with
glee.
Don't worry, its all only for a while.
The soul himself has probably done the same thing to others, either
before or after having his own world view tainted. In this life, much
of his suffering can be traced back to his own efforts to push false
religions in the past on the whole track.
The way to happiness is a true confession.
Thus getting the soul to take an honest inventory of what he really
wants goes a long ways towards correcting his downfall.
Many beings will be so far gone they won't be able to admit what
they really want, for the bitter noble hopelessness of it all is just
too great to bear.
Adults find it hard to cry like a baby.
But over time this inaccessibility can be alleviated with skill and
persistence in the matter.
The cost of laughter is tears, classy tears.
Another thing is that a true religion doesn't need a Messiah, it
doesn't need to become a cult of personality.
A Messiah is a teacher, we are all Messiah's, if reluctant.
Its only a matter of having the knoweldge and being willoing
to step up to the plate, or the soapbox if you prefer.
Souls are powered by what they desire, and if you can find what
they desire you will have your religion.
Not the petty desires of hatred and separation FOREVER, but the
desires of fair chosen Spirit of Play and grand escapade.
Thus the ideal religion would set down enough basic operational
principles that would appeal directly to the true desires of the soul,
and from which all souls could then derive whatever other wisdom they
needed on their own, in accord with their own foundations.
Once a soul is his own High Priest, he is free to restore awareness
of always having been one with God again.
The soul IS God in carnation, so he already has his Messiah if he
would just look.
"Fame is a rock, let the rocks be used to record the words of
truth, and not the names of who spoke them." - Adore
APPROACH
Approach means knowing how to deal with the breakdowns and
malfunctions of life.
An approach to the questions and problems of life results naturally
from having a correct view of what we want, and having such an approach
is part of what we want.
But you can't just go up to someone and ask them what they want,
they have been living under the clouds in city lights for so long they
can't imagine the sun above the clouds.
To most people then, 'what they want' is conceived only in the
context of what they think they can have. Thus people live lives of
founded on sour grapes.
Someone says they have 'seen the light', and others think there is
a new neon sign in town.
Most problems in life result from unresolvable disharmony within
the soul itself, caused by undesirable world views, thus a technology
for recovering for the being what he really wants will restore him to
his seat of glory, beauty, equanimity and sovereignty so he can play
again.
Uh, that's because you can have what you really want.
All the things you can't have are really things you don't want
anyhow.
That's a big statement, don't go by it.
And then beyond that it helps to have some understandings about how
things work, which again reflects the soul's desires of how he would
want them to work in the first place.
Desire = Truth and Truth = Desirable.
Always look to what you want, in the grand scheme of things, if you
want to see the truth.
The most important of these is understanding the relationship of
confront and acceptance to vanishment, and of cringe and flinch to
persistence of unwanted conditions, both in yourself and in others.
Most people have acceptance confused with resignation to
persistence. Nothing could be further from the truth. You can vanish a
brick wall with acceptance, but there is a lot of charge there, solidity
in time is one of the soul's greatest mortal enemies of all time.
To vanish a brick wall you would have to have recovered your God
hood above all other God's and have not a single stain of anger, fear, or
sorrow in sight.
The way a God gets something to persist is to make it, put it there,
then resent it is there.
Silly, isn't it?
That's called High Appreciation for Ludicrous Demise by Adore.
Better to vanish your stuffed nose, bad eye sight or crumpled back,
start in your own universe and clean it up first.
Then work on others.
Then maybe practice on making brick walls.
*THEN* maybe you might vanish one you made.
Another important understanding is that Source creates what Source
is not, thus although the physical universe and the body tend to run on
must never happen again, the soul runs on the ability to do it again.
In fact he had better be able to do anything for as long as necessary
for a while.
Push once, the door closes AND LOCKS. Push again, the door opens.
Make it once and it persists. Make it again and it vanishes.
A soul that can't do it again, will get stuck with anything he does
once and doesn't like.
The body hates making bad things again on the physical plane,
because it makes things worse for the body, but even a body can be
healed by running out the incident by 'making it again' in the mind.
Another understanding is that shame is a lie, a con itself, that
got one into further shame when it didn't work. That's a hard one, but
clearing out shame and the con of feeling ashamed will restore the soul
to its own native beauty, glory and self love.
This allows the soul to better relate to others who are still in a
state of apparent self disgrace.
Needless to say trying to shame others is a very bad sin, because
it enforces the lie of the shame that one's self is in.
"The proper punishment for sin is Divine Magnificence." - Adore
"...
There is one more terror,
Eternal shame is the error.
There is only one blame,
The Eternal Name is not Shame. " - Adore
http://www.adore.com
Another understanding is that we are all the multi I-AM God in
carnation and thus we are all fair chosen brothers, and we need to get
with the program of ultimate eternal togetherness and the illusions of
fair chosen separation and unreconcilable differences.
One of the biggest understandings of course is that the world is a
projected dream in the multi body of the multi I-AM God, crystalized into
apparent solidity from our own fear.
Can a dream spider bite a dream body?
Yes, if you forget it is a dream and run away from the spider in
earnest.
One solidifies and interiorizes into a single stuck viewpoint to
the exact degree that one detests it as absolute and immutable.
Any approach to clearing should be able to find and deal with
detested self images, that's about all a being can get stuck to.
Waking life is a non lucid dream for many. They use their
conscious experience all day long as a symbol to represent what they
think is a physical universe out there.
They either think the symbol IS the referent, or they think that
because they see a symbol there must BE a referent, which referent looks
exactly like the symbol, only they think it is objective rather than
subjective.
The physical universe is more like a data package that resides in
the library of eternity, and souls that connect to that package and
render its contents in the color TV screen of their consciousness. They
see space and time, but there never was any.
We are all here now.
The conscious viewing projectors of space and time have themselves
no space or time, nor does anything else that is actual.
In the end as Adore says, "the source of all suffering is the fair
chosen adore-operation of cool, class, halcyon, sin-song, thrill and
romance, via living majestic intelligence and proud fancy free
faithlessness of grand and excalibur design. I need this to be true,
and this I adore."
In other words 'artful dodge'.
For a better understanding of that goto www.adore.com.
Eventually these understandings end up in an operational peace born
of humor and mastery of the practical joke engineered by the Imp Soul on
himself.
And justice is restored, because justice never left.
"Laughter is the only kind justice there is, and the only justice
you will ever need for ever for real." - Adore
Are you willing to cry and laugh yourself to sleep, rather than
just cry long and lonely goodbyes?
Homer
Sun Oct 22 17:53:48 EDT 2017
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Tuesday, November 5, 2019
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Karma
"Immortals who dislike Mortals have some karma to face.
Namely Mortals who dislike Immortals are despicable.
Karma is present time involvement with hidden shames of the past.
Shame is a waste of time.
So is karma."
From Adore.
This is about all Adore has to say about meatballs. Although
I do rib meatballs a lot, its actually bullbaiting more than
anything else.
Incipient Carrion dwellers are very special to me, since I used to be
one myself until my visioning when I was 21.
What the above says is that some Mortals take great exception to
Immortals. Immortals who find themselves beset by Mortals trying
to destroy or harm them thus need to study their own past lives when
they were Mortals too and did the same thing to other Immortals.
Remember Adore considers everyone is actually Immortal, but some think
they are Mortal, these are the 'Mortals'. They aren't really Mortal.
But since they are Immortal but think they are Mortal, they have
eschewed their Immortality, and thus Adore draws the inference, that they
eschew Immortality or awareness of such in others also.
This makes such Mortals suppressive as they will try to stop anyone
from getting involved in spiritual inquiry.
Many people are kind of on the fence, they think they are mortal,
but wish they were immortal and are interested in spiritual inquiry
as long as it doesn't involve blind faith which is a High Crime in
Adore. Adore does NOT consider this group as 'mortals'.
Adore says that the two groups can get really paranoid about
each other. The Immortals feel that the Mortals are out to
destory them because the Mortals have destroyed their own sense
of Immortality in themselves. The Mortals also feel the same
way about Immortals. Its anybody's guess who started it.
Adore says,
"You started them starting it."
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Karma
"Immortals who dislike Mortals have some karma to face.
Namely Mortals who dislike Immortals are despicable.
Karma is present time involvement with hidden shames of the past.
Shame is a waste of time.
So is karma."
From Adore.
This is about all Adore has to say about meatballs. Although
I do rib meatballs a lot, its actually bullbaiting more than
anything else.
Incipient Carrion dwellers are very special to me, since I used to be
one myself until my visioning when I was 21.
What the above says is that some Mortals take great exception to
Immortals. Immortals who find themselves beset by Mortals trying
to destroy or harm them thus need to study their own past lives when
they were Mortals too and did the same thing to other Immortals.
Remember Adore considers everyone is actually Immortal, but some think
they are Mortal, these are the 'Mortals'. They aren't really Mortal.
But since they are Immortal but think they are Mortal, they have
eschewed their Immortality, and thus Adore draws the inference, that they
eschew Immortality or awareness of such in others also.
This makes such Mortals suppressive as they will try to stop anyone
from getting involved in spiritual inquiry.
Many people are kind of on the fence, they think they are mortal,
but wish they were immortal and are interested in spiritual inquiry
as long as it doesn't involve blind faith which is a High Crime in
Adore. Adore does NOT consider this group as 'mortals'.
Adore says that the two groups can get really paranoid about
each other. The Immortals feel that the Mortals are out to
destory them because the Mortals have destroyed their own sense
of Immortality in themselves. The Mortals also feel the same
way about Immortals. Its anybody's guess who started it.
Adore says,
"You started them starting it."
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Monday, November 4, 2019
ucp6.memo (fwd)
Here is more from the 40 page post that no body read,
with some added.
Homer
>SEE MY LIST ABOVE, WHICH YOU ARE
>ARE STEADFASTLY NOT-ISING.
Those aren't fundamentals.
Everyone conceeds that the linguistic objectifications of
Dianetics are bogus, first generation gropings for a better view.
The word engrams isn't even listed in the primary Axioms of
Scientology, and *I* am talking about fundamentals of clearing, and
sessioning etc.
Like a real fundamental of Scn would be the opening logics
and axioms.
Do you disagree that AS-ISness is a vanishing truth?
Do you disagree that Alter-isness results in a persisting
ISNESS?
Do you disagree that 2 way live communication helps a pc
as-is his masses and ridges?
Do you disagree that what you resist you get?
Do you disagree that the being's case is made of up
no-communication, problems, withholds, arc breaks and make wrongs?
Do you disagree that getting any pc to view as-is the source and
true nature of any condition will cause it to vanish if the pc no
longer wants it?
Do you disagree that charge builds when we want something and
can't have it or don't want something and must have it?
Do you disagree that insanity is must reach can't reach, must
withdraw can't withdraw?
Do you agree that having one's anchor points held away from one
is ridicule, and having them pushed in against one is betrayal?
Do you disagree that insanity starts at the moment a being
becomes totally devoted to stopping something he considers he didn't
start?
Do you disagree with the basic definitions of the lower 8
dynamics?
Do you disagree that all ARC breaks stem from missed withholds?
Do you disagree that problems are intention - counter intention?
Do you disagree that problems are solutions?
>You are not MY BTs.
>You are not my case.
>You and your unreality are very real.
Well *MY* BT's are unreal to you, that's for sure.
I would think that if your BT's are unreal to you, or you think
they don't exist or are unimportant to pay attention to and audit,
that mine couldn't be real to you.
So my BT's feel very invalidated around you, because you are
going "You do not exist, you are unimportant, Homer should take his
attention off of you and don't audit you, and put it somewhere more
worthwhile."
My BT's aren't happy with that.
>You and Hell Rum Scumbag have
>demonstrated the fantastic case
>progress available from blaming
>your case on Body Thetans.
BT's are not about blaming case on them. Blame of BT's or ANY
OTHER BEINGS OR THING, IS part of case and needs to addressed and run
out. People who 'have no BT's', well maybe they don't, or maybe they
are below blaming BT's and into denial and co excused witholds with
BT's and the oblivion that results.
BT's are just other beings collectively, when you run UCP you
come up with charge and events on other beings. When you run UCP
with other beings, THEY come up with charge and events on other
beings.
So BT's are just more other beings, one needs to run the charge
one has on them out, and then run UCP with them also so they can be
free of their charge on you.
I mean really, if you have a swarm of angry BT's buzzing in your
space, its like having a bee's nest for a pillow, its *REAL*.
So first one needs to spot the bee's next, and run out the charge
that sticks one compusively to it so one is crushing the BT's into
oblivion, then one needs to run out their charge and their sticking to
you, until both sides can be self determined about joining forces or
going their separate ways etc.
If you are a Churchie of course the BT's want out of there as
fast as possible.
It's really a matter of closing terminals.
It's fine to stop closing terminals with others, but it's also
nice to get them to stop closing terminals with you and get some team
work and cooperation going between you.
Stuck to, merely means conpulsively TOO CLOSE. One doesn't get
rid of BT's, one frees you and them to make their own decisions.
There is a tremendous holding onness, and crushingness between
'stuck' beings, that builds permanent mass. Auditing other beings in
general handles this mass, but other beings includes much more than
merely the incarnate people that you have known in this life.
BT's are just the entire subject of other beings. They can even
be *INCARNATE*. For example I would bet almost all people have direct
telepathic connections to other beings in bodies all over the planet
and maybe even the universe. Perhaps they live on the other side of
the planet or another city, but they get a headache, so do you. It is
their headache you are feeling, maybe you are causing it in them cuz
you are pissed at THEM!
When beings are in telpathic communication with each other and
don't know it, they are constantly taking things as their own which
aren't, and getting into wars 'with themselves' which are really wars
with others, which get others into fighting back etc.
Once one catches on to this inter weave of beings, one can start
to make case gain in certain areas where before it was impossible or
'too weird', because the LRH fundamental of misownership causing
solidity and persistence was out.
One's case does not stand alone, one's case stands in relation to
other beings, both carnate and dis incarnate, both from the past, the
present and the future, both near and far.
One's case is ABOUT others (yes and oneself) but mostly about
others!
One does not resolve one's case without also resolving who or
what it was in relation to.
Thus to audit one's case, one needs to audit the relationships
that all that mass and ridging and charge is about.
So one does UCP solo or with a witness and handles all that
charge with all beings everywhere, then one acts as a witness for
other beings, including disincarnate ones and telepathic one's etc.
Usually it is much more fruitbul than auditing some random neighbor
because you don't have a case with your neighbor.
Each being has a huge inter weave of *SPECIFIC* other beings they
have been, are and will be in relation to. That is the basic
fundamental underlying UCP.
"Where have you been?" is actually
"Who have you been in relation to?"
"Who are you in relation to?"
"Compare the two."
etc.
So the first order of business is to audit that inter weave of
beings you have been, are and will be in relation to, and after that
is all handled, audit your neighbor or some random public from the
street. Remember HE needs to audit HIS interweave.
Homer
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with some added.
Homer
>SEE MY LIST ABOVE, WHICH YOU ARE
>ARE STEADFASTLY NOT-ISING.
Those aren't fundamentals.
Everyone conceeds that the linguistic objectifications of
Dianetics are bogus, first generation gropings for a better view.
The word engrams isn't even listed in the primary Axioms of
Scientology, and *I* am talking about fundamentals of clearing, and
sessioning etc.
Like a real fundamental of Scn would be the opening logics
and axioms.
Do you disagree that AS-ISness is a vanishing truth?
Do you disagree that Alter-isness results in a persisting
ISNESS?
Do you disagree that 2 way live communication helps a pc
as-is his masses and ridges?
Do you disagree that what you resist you get?
Do you disagree that the being's case is made of up
no-communication, problems, withholds, arc breaks and make wrongs?
Do you disagree that getting any pc to view as-is the source and
true nature of any condition will cause it to vanish if the pc no
longer wants it?
Do you disagree that charge builds when we want something and
can't have it or don't want something and must have it?
Do you disagree that insanity is must reach can't reach, must
withdraw can't withdraw?
Do you agree that having one's anchor points held away from one
is ridicule, and having them pushed in against one is betrayal?
Do you disagree that insanity starts at the moment a being
becomes totally devoted to stopping something he considers he didn't
start?
Do you disagree with the basic definitions of the lower 8
dynamics?
Do you disagree that all ARC breaks stem from missed withholds?
Do you disagree that problems are intention - counter intention?
Do you disagree that problems are solutions?
>You are not MY BTs.
>You are not my case.
>You and your unreality are very real.
Well *MY* BT's are unreal to you, that's for sure.
I would think that if your BT's are unreal to you, or you think
they don't exist or are unimportant to pay attention to and audit,
that mine couldn't be real to you.
So my BT's feel very invalidated around you, because you are
going "You do not exist, you are unimportant, Homer should take his
attention off of you and don't audit you, and put it somewhere more
worthwhile."
My BT's aren't happy with that.
>You and Hell Rum Scumbag have
>demonstrated the fantastic case
>progress available from blaming
>your case on Body Thetans.
BT's are not about blaming case on them. Blame of BT's or ANY
OTHER BEINGS OR THING, IS part of case and needs to addressed and run
out. People who 'have no BT's', well maybe they don't, or maybe they
are below blaming BT's and into denial and co excused witholds with
BT's and the oblivion that results.
BT's are just other beings collectively, when you run UCP you
come up with charge and events on other beings. When you run UCP
with other beings, THEY come up with charge and events on other
beings.
So BT's are just more other beings, one needs to run the charge
one has on them out, and then run UCP with them also so they can be
free of their charge on you.
I mean really, if you have a swarm of angry BT's buzzing in your
space, its like having a bee's nest for a pillow, its *REAL*.
So first one needs to spot the bee's next, and run out the charge
that sticks one compusively to it so one is crushing the BT's into
oblivion, then one needs to run out their charge and their sticking to
you, until both sides can be self determined about joining forces or
going their separate ways etc.
If you are a Churchie of course the BT's want out of there as
fast as possible.
It's really a matter of closing terminals.
It's fine to stop closing terminals with others, but it's also
nice to get them to stop closing terminals with you and get some team
work and cooperation going between you.
Stuck to, merely means conpulsively TOO CLOSE. One doesn't get
rid of BT's, one frees you and them to make their own decisions.
There is a tremendous holding onness, and crushingness between
'stuck' beings, that builds permanent mass. Auditing other beings in
general handles this mass, but other beings includes much more than
merely the incarnate people that you have known in this life.
BT's are just the entire subject of other beings. They can even
be *INCARNATE*. For example I would bet almost all people have direct
telepathic connections to other beings in bodies all over the planet
and maybe even the universe. Perhaps they live on the other side of
the planet or another city, but they get a headache, so do you. It is
their headache you are feeling, maybe you are causing it in them cuz
you are pissed at THEM!
When beings are in telpathic communication with each other and
don't know it, they are constantly taking things as their own which
aren't, and getting into wars 'with themselves' which are really wars
with others, which get others into fighting back etc.
Once one catches on to this inter weave of beings, one can start
to make case gain in certain areas where before it was impossible or
'too weird', because the LRH fundamental of misownership causing
solidity and persistence was out.
One's case does not stand alone, one's case stands in relation to
other beings, both carnate and dis incarnate, both from the past, the
present and the future, both near and far.
One's case is ABOUT others (yes and oneself) but mostly about
others!
One does not resolve one's case without also resolving who or
what it was in relation to.
Thus to audit one's case, one needs to audit the relationships
that all that mass and ridging and charge is about.
So one does UCP solo or with a witness and handles all that
charge with all beings everywhere, then one acts as a witness for
other beings, including disincarnate ones and telepathic one's etc.
Usually it is much more fruitbul than auditing some random neighbor
because you don't have a case with your neighbor.
Each being has a huge inter weave of *SPECIFIC* other beings they
have been, are and will be in relation to. That is the basic
fundamental underlying UCP.
"Where have you been?" is actually
"Who have you been in relation to?"
"Who are you in relation to?"
"Compare the two."
etc.
So the first order of business is to audit that inter weave of
beings you have been, are and will be in relation to, and after that
is all handled, audit your neighbor or some random public from the
street. Remember HE needs to audit HIS interweave.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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