ADORE214

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Richard Platek \(Lion\) (lion@lightlink.com) wrote:
> What comprehensive understanding do the points you have addressed with me,
> arrive at?

There are two models of the world.

Meatball model:

Matter came first, and out of matter came consciousness.

When matter dies or falls apart, the consciousness within also
dies or falls apart.

Because consciousness is made of matter, it has only the powers
of matter which are limited. That which is made by A can not have
much power over A.

Since consciousness was made by matter and itself made very little
relative to the rest of the universe, the consciousness has vanishingly
small responsibility for its own condition.

The Dreamball Model:

The other theory says matter does not exist except as virtual
dream in consciousness. Consciousness came first, is what is actual,
and likes to virtualize matter in conscious holograms of such, and
then believe that matter came first and created consciousness. Thus
the dreamer can dream it is not a dreamer.

In this model, things that happen to matter do not ultimately
affect the consciousness, which not only survives the death or falling
apart of matter, but existed prior to and had part in matter's
creation as virtual dream.

Since the consciousness created the dream and then went to sleep
in the dream, it is able to wake up and take control over the dream
again, and regain sovereighty over its own destiny.

In this model consciousness is responsible for its own condition
and can take back that responsiblility and thus affect its future
again in a way that the meatball could never dream.

> That is what I am not clear about.
> And what difference does it make?

Not sure what I can say that hans't been said.

You are either made of consciousness, or you are made of meat.

If you can't see the difference or use in this knowledge,
then its beyond me.

Homer


> Yours,


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OT MOTIVATION AND HUMAN MOTIVATION

My answer to this has always been that OT powers come from OT
motivation and human powers come from human motivation.

Subdeath, human motivation is taking care of the body.

Thus subdeath, pcs want OT powers to better be able to take care of
the body.

They are playing the game of offend/defend.

Those playing a game can never have enough power to put the game or
the playing field there in the first place.

So one has to shift from game player into game creator if you
want to be able to create the football or move the goalpost with your
'mind'.

Homer

Michael (mickel1234@blueyonder.co.uk) wrote:

>"Michael" <mickel1234@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:cuXBh.2251$I46.548@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "Curiosus" <curiosus@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:1171761720.403831.277260@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> The Operational Tree
>>>
>>>
>>> Once a time there was a Happy Tree living in a beautiful country
>>> Earlier generations of trees contributed establishing a fertile soil
>>> So the Happy Tree was very healthy and mighty,
>>> He had enthralling conversations with his fellow trees around
>>>
>>> One day he saw birds flying high in the sky and began envying them
>>> He was sensing a terrible injustice here
>>> Why should birds be free and allowed to play with the winds,
>>> When himself was trapped here, his roots imprisoned in the soil?
>>>
>>> So he formed the goal to become as free as the birds, and was yelling
>>> "I want to operate like the birds! I want to be an Operational Tree!"
>>> "Psychia-Trees tell us we were born from the mud, that is a lie!"
>>> "The ground is a Tree-Trap! I want to be free from the Prison-
>>> Ground!"
>>>
>>> He began searching how he could possibly free himself from the ground
>>> So he trained foxes and rabbits digging into the ground
>>> And they worked so well that they succeeded uprooting his roots
>>> As soon as he felt his roots free, he began walking through the forest
>>>
>>> He yelled to his fellow trees: "See, now I am Clear from the mud!"
>>> "Follow me and become Clear yourself! then become Operational Trees!"
>>> So more and more rabbits and foxes were organized and trained
>>> And soon there were many trees walking through the forest
>>>
>>> Then the Happy Tree began flapping his roots to fly like the birds
>>> Alas despite many efforts never he was able to fly in the sky
>>> He was no more nurtured by the fertile ground and began decaying
>>> He became very angry and upset, still pretending but unable to do it
>>>
>>> One day the sky was invaded by deadly black clouds
>>> He was hit by a lightning which turned him into ashes
>>> And the ashes contributed fertilizing the clay
>>>
>>> --
>>> Curiosus
>>> http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005/index.htm
>>>
>>
>> WOT!!!!!!!! No Super OT powers!
>> You mean I've spent 25 years of my life hoping they will turn on any day,
>> I can't believe my mince pies.
>>
>> I WAS GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD.
>>
>> You mean I've been lied to? this is incredible.
>>
>> Barman! Line em' up and keep em' coming, I've a long sad story to tell
>> you.
>>
>> God Almighty :)
>> Mike
>Alternatively, I would think that the way to resolve the matter of "Who Am
>I?" or "What am I?" would involve identity processing, removing the false or
>substitute self, the "little me" as it is sometimes called.
>Only when a person can know beyond any shadow of a doubt their real self can
>the matter be resolved as to if "I am doing all this" as an OT in other
>words.

>If this is a virtual reality we live in then one would need to know the code
>before you could (as an individual) change things.

>On the other hand one might find that they do not have to do anything.
>Best
>Mike



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LETTER TO ENID

Dear Enid,

Cool. I have read your manual, it's wonderful aside from my usual
natter about things.

I am however deeply concerned by two common threads through your
writings.

You assert 3 levels of man: body, mind and spirit, but leave out
HEART.

Even Hubbard had 4, SPIRIT, THOUGHT, EMOTION, EFFORT.

Effort is the physical, emotion is the bridge between thought and
the physical, emotion is what makes the body move. Thought is mind, and
spirit is theta. Emotion is Heart.

Thus Adore says the purpose of creation is to trade in expressions
of discovery:

BODY CHILD MIMICRY BUSINESS TRADE
HEART WOMAN HARMONY ART EXPRESSION
MIND MAN COUNTERPOINT SCIENCE DISCOVERY
SOUL GOD NEW BEAT RELIGION CREATION

Second and more serious you seem to feel that your body depends on
YOUR life energy to keep it alive. You certainly do not feel that your
cat needs your life energy to keep it alive, nor do you feel that you
need to be inside your cat in order for it not to die.

Since you can be inside a cat or a homosap, it makes no sense to
claim that the homosap needs the thetan, when the cat doesn't, and when
clearly the thetan is an independent being that has had millions of
years without bodies, and bodies been around for a long time with out
thetans. GE type beings of course, but not thetans of the me and thee
kind.

I ran a process a long time ago to good effect, something like

Do you feel you need your body for you survive?

Do you feel your body needs you for it survive?

Does the body feel it needs you for it to survive?

Does the body feel you need it for you to survive?

If one is holding onto a body in order to not kill it by leaving,
and this makes it sick, then one is tempted to hold on harder to make
sure it doesn't die.

This traps the being into not being able to be out of the body when
it is hurt.

I trust you understand that just because the being is usually
ejected from the body at body death, this does not imply that
exteriorizing from the body will CAUSE body death.

My view is the body is an independent composite being, and is in
fact harmed by the continuous 24x7 close intimate contact with the
thetan who is alien to it and its genetic line.

It's a righteous computation, "My body NEEDS ME!"

The cowboy should get off its horse once in a while, and let it out
to pasture, otherwise the horse gets sick from exhaustion.

The cowboy that thinks he IS a horse, or that the horse is a
manifestation of him, is not sane and not good for either him or the
horse.

Being in a body 24x7 limits what the thetan can do, although he
tends to settle for this limitation out of apparent necessity, the
constant tug to get out and go where the body can not go, eventually
makes the body really bad off.

You cat doesn't want to have to go where ever YOU want to go, and
neither does your body.

Bodies are tools, pets, it is one thing to have a tool, quite
another to believe one IS a tool and the tool won't survive if we leave
it on the table.

Homer

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ADORE630

ETERNALITY AND OK

We define mortality as living for a while in a time stream, dying
and then never to live again.

We define immortality as living forever in a single time stream,
which is both impossible and undesirable.

We define Eternality as living forever above space and time, and
able to sleep and dream finitely long space time game streams at will
forever for free.

Eternals live forever by definition because there is no space or
time in which for them to change or die. Their incarnation in space and
time is a dream with the scent of illusion.

Mortals are born on death row and spend their lives waiting to die.
and spend their lives waiting for the day they die, but wish they didn't
have to.

Immortals are born on hells row, and spend their lives waiting for
the day they wish they could die but can't.

Mortals want to live forever but can't.

Immortals want to die forever but can't.

Eternals are free to engage in life and death as they see fit.
because they know its only for a while, which then ends, and can be
started anew when they want to.

Eternals like to step into time for a while for the shear thrill of
it.

Time is like a roller coster, the longer you remain on the ride,
the further you get from your starting point.

The further you get from your starting point, the harder it is to
recover it.

The harder it is to recover your starting point, the harder it is
to get back off the roller coaster.

But eventually you come back to your starting point anyhow which
results in end of ride.

Eternals like to play with their point of no return, it adds to the
thrill.

The point of no return is the point where they can no longer
recover their starting point for a while.

Never forever, but it can be a very long while.

Remember there is could, would and should. Even if a being COULD
lose himself forever in time, he shouldn't, thus he wouldn't, thus he
can't.

Take some responsibility for your condition already.

All of life is an Eternal lost in time for a while.

Eternality is magical, and there is a message to it's beauty.

That message is OKness.

There is no OKness in either death forever or hell forever.

No matter how much the dying or damned will tell you there is.

OKness is what you are jealous of in a dancing girl's eyes, the
beauty of self love, poise, equanimity, immutable dignity and self
satisfaction.

And Omni Awesome Peace, if you are into it.

"This song loves itself." - Adore

The fabric of Self IS satisfaction.

"Awareness of awareness as sufficient communication." - LRH

"Breathing is sufficient reason to be." - Adore

This idea that you have to DO something in life to find
satisfaction is the beginning of game playing dangerously close to
roller coasting right past your point of no return and beyond.

A being can tune down the light and clear harmony of his own
fabric, and even negate it entirely until the fabric of self becomes
negative, becomes dissatisfaction.

Then he HAS to do something (in time) in order raise the fabric
back up to satisfaction for a while.

There are levels of this.

We call the resting quality of his self experience his base level
of satisfaction.

Say the being has lowered his base level of satisfaction to minus
3. That means his actual self experience is a continuous
dissatisfaction of 3!

Then he writes a piece of music that results in a satisfaction
level of 5, but that adds into his existing base of minus 3 and thus
only produces a plus 2 level of satisfaction.

But for how long? Satisfaction produced by doing, receeds into the
past as time moves along, and thus becomes, after a while, as if it
didn't happen at all.

That's called resting on your laurels.

That's a sinking raft in a maelstrom.

You can quickly see that doing the myriad normal things in life
that most people enjoy but which only bring in 1 to 2 points of positive
satisfaction would still leave him hungry as even 2 points added into
his base level of minus 3 still leaves him at minus 1!

People with a positive base level of satisfaction are quite
contented to do the banal things in life because really they don't have
to do anything at all to be happy, except breathe.

But people with a negative base level of satisfaction are always on
the lookout for something to do to make themselves feel positive for a
while.

People who live this way find themselves pushed to do extraordinay
things, many of which are out of their reach, just to not feel lower at
the end of the day.

But now let's say the being lowers his base level satisfaction to
minus 10. He could save the world at +9 and it still wouldn't satisfy
him, he would still feel lower at the end of the day by a point or two.

Such people turn to drugs which create a small worm hole back to
their Eternality that raises their base fabric to positive levels of
satisfaction again for a while. But there is a thud zone afterwards
where things get worse without careful auditing during the high.

When NOTHING a being can do, can create positive moments of
satisfaction, through out a day, every day, he ends up lower and lower
over time and finally will kill himself.

The above mechanism IS why people kill themselves, and is also the
mechanism of hell that hounds the immortals who can't kill themselves.

The solution is to recover his Eternality for him which will
restore his fountainhead of OKness, creating a very high base level of
satisfaction which he can then bring to the world as a resource, rather
than having to hunt for it and consume it incessantly, eventually to
starve to death anyhow as he has been.

Once some measure of Eternality is restored to a being, breathing
becomes sufficient reason to be again.

Witness a warm well fed cat.

Highest aspiration: purring.

Let's take another example, say physical pleasure is +10 and
physical pain is -10. If the being has a base line of -9, his highest
pleasures coming home at +1 won't help him much, but boy will the pain
at -19 piss him off.

But if he is running a base line of +20, then his pleasure will
take him up to +30, but his pain will only take him down to +10. EVEN
HIS PAIN IS BEAUTIFUL, just less so than when there is no pain.

Now tell me that ain't a heaven.

A true Eternal has a base satisfaction level so high, he can be
crucified or roasted alive and maintain a postive level through the
event which will be self erasing, no engram left. A mildly less good
day than the rest!

Christ found this out on the Cross, after a moment of doubt.

You will probably have to restore some of a pc's Eternality to him
before he will recover his basic purpose in life.

As long as his base line is negative, and he is tring to attain
lasting satisfaction by doing, he will be running on all kinds of
hysterical false purposes promising high satisfaction to overcome his
negative base line.

He is like someone under water looking for air, not meaningful
peace in life.

Ultimately you want your pc's resting satisfaction to be higher
than any satisfaction derived from doing any possible purpose at all.

That way, the failure of any particular purpose can never drive him
negative, even for a while.

A starting process in this direction might be:

Reword and run to taste, making sure to lock onto and maintain sync
with the alternating flows at all times:

Spot SOME OKness.
Spot NO OKness.

Spot SOME NOT-OKness.
Spot NO NOT-OKness.

E/P: Undauntable positive satisfaction level.

The thought that things are OK is one of the big unthinkables.

Entire universes of forces will array against you to make you wrong
should you give the slightest hint you are smiling inside.

What do you think happened to your telepathy?

Probably thought up a joke while a beloved King was dying, or
something.

Since Eternality binds us all at Source, once people start getting
their Eternality back, their telepathy comes back with it.

Telepathy works best at conveying thoughts of OKness!

This may be why the dead can not talk to the living, the living
reject feelings and thoughts of OKness out of hand.

Remember that NO OKness is the pretended non existence of OKness,
and NO NOT-OKness is the pretended non existence of NOT-OKness.

Your pc will run into the walls of raw doubt, incredibility,
rediculousness, absurdity, preposterousness, implausibility,
impossibility, no permission, and just plain fear, willies and qualms.

*THESE ITEMS NEED TO BE RUN AS THEMSELVES, THEY ARE BEDROCK ITEMS
UPON WHICH THE WHOLE REST OF THE STRUCTURE OF IMMORTALITY AND MORTALITY
ARE BUILT.*

They guard the gates of Eternality.

They are the stuff of which NOT OKness is made.

They will not go away on their own through continued other
auditing.

Homer

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ADORE30

HARD AND EASY PRECLEARS

((The terminology used in this posting is backwards from standard
usage.

The bottom of a GPM is the first item in the set, the earliest
encountered on the time track. The preclear sashays UP the GPM to his
present time latest item. So the TOP of the GPM is his present time
item and his top opp term is his present time opponent.

In the below posting it is assumed that the preclear starts at the
'top' first item and sashays 'downward' to his present time mess. It's
merely a matter of terminology, whats bottom or top, the real concept is
first item (earliest on the track) and latest item (latest on the track
in present time.) ))

I think much of the problem with different pcs, is different people
are at different rungs of their present time truncated GPM.

Someone still working on his first rung, will audit easily, he's
aware of what his goals are, he is in alignment with them, every engram
he runs puts him more at cause over that goal etc, he flys.

Someone 15 rungs down is opposing not only his own basic goal, but
also himself. Every engram you run will be a very late on the chain
engram gained while OPPOSING his basic goal, so he only gets better at
opposing himself again. The stuff up at the top of the GPM where the
first rung is located is just not available. He started out to be a
Maurauder ended up being a Messiah, so all he audits are these stupid
crucifixions etc, and that just makes him better at being a Messiah
which he doesn't want to be anyhow, so he gets sicker and sicker.

Also by the time he is at the bottom of his GPM ladder he's a cess
pool of overts and motivators, and he's got 15 Service Facs all in a
row, and you are going to audit 'Standard Tech' through all this?

I think not.

Now one could be a bright puppy and say, well then why don't we
make spotting the PT GPM early on part of Standard Tech? That way we
reorient him towards his original goal of being a Maurauder, and
despense with all the endless case dev-T.

Alan does this.

So really there is 'Standard Tech' and there is application, and
maybe we have everything we need to know, maybe not. It's tempting to
say, 'well you didn't run CCH's long enough', but how long is long
enough? When the pc intensive after intensive just isn't having wins,
isn't VGI's, is loosing in auditing and in life continuously, then its
time to admit 'Well doing it long enough may work, but its not the
proper approach.'

Also you get a pc like me, who is just *FROZEN* in abject terror
about finding out or opening up anything, I mean totally life
threatening terror, then the auditing itself becomes a present time
problem because he doesn't have his will written yet, he's got girl
friends and children that are dependent on him, so he can't afford to
die. So that's going to stop auditing cold because maybe he HAS to die
to get better etc.

Maybe he's scared because his basic goal is too dangerous to know,
maybe the last time he had a thought about that goal the monitors got
him but good etc. So now he's got endless overts opposing his own goals
not only in others but himself.

So yes 'standard tech' will probably unglue the mess, but the pc
doesn't want it unglued! He's still terrorized and on the edge of
dying. He just isn't going to make case gain in the hands of people who
can't stand the thought of someone dying on them in session. Or someone
who can't stand the thought of dying themselves when the pc's demon
exteriorizes and eats the auditor as monster food.

Basically the world consists of 'no fear' cases, its very hard to
make case gain in that atmosphere.

The people at the top of their GPM ladders got no clue what its
like to be at the bottom of their GPM ladder, they look at all this and
just scratch their heads, they just can't see what the problem is but a
little education and mockup processing on the GPM sashay will probably
be sufficient to help them audit the bottom rung case.

The one's at the bottom themselves, still playing the no fear game,
are dangerous auditors. They will dramatize their service facs and
excuses for failure until the pc leaves the church, as the church as
already left him.

Homer


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>Homer Wilson Smith (homer@lightlink.com) wrote:
>> A line needs one dimension.

CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>A point is 0 dimensions? because it's a postulate or because it has no
>extension? Duh?! I will get this...

Point is 0 dimensions
Line is 1 dimension
Square is 2 dimensions
Cube is 3 dimensions
Hypercube is 4 dimensions

A point has no extensions (not zero extension mind you, NO
extension) because it has no dimensions in which to have extension.
It would have to have at least one dimension to have any extension along
that dimension even if it was 0 inches long.

A line can be 0 inches long. It has one dimension, so it can
have 0 length extension. 0 extension is not NO extension, 0 extension is
quite some extension, it just happens to be zero in length.

A line that is 0 inches long is not the same as a point that has
no dimension in which to have extension.

Having a dimension with zero extension along it is different then
not having the dimension in the first place.

Look at it this way.

We see a 3 dimensional spatial world around us.

So you have a chunk of gold that is {2 x 2 x 2} or 8 cubic
inches, that's a lot of gold, has weight, value etc.

OK, assume there is a 4th dimension we just can't see it.

How thick is your gold in the 4th dimension?

If its 0 thick in the 4th dimension, then we have a 4 dimensional
piece of gold that is 2 x 2 x 2 x 0 which is 0 hypercubic inches of
gold.

That's no gold dude.

So if there IS a 4th dimension to our universe it HAS to have
SOME finitely large non zero thickness, or else the whole universe is
reduced to nothing.

If the universe is 3 dimensional, your gold cube is {2,2,2}.

If the universe is 4 dimensional, then your gold cube is
{2,2,2,x} where x must be greater than zero.

Having a dimension, and then having zero extension along that
dimension reduces the whole object to nada.

So if you want to keep your objects around, make sure that when
you give them another dimension you give them SOME non zero extension
in that dimension, otherwise with zero extension along any dimension,
they become nothing.

Homer

>- CBW

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Honest Abe,

I truely am sorry you fell for a cult implementation of spiritual
awakening.

Where ever there is truth, there are charlatans claiming to have
truth.

There are also honest people trying to walk the path, but
claiming to have accomplished more than they have.

As for OT powers, they are weapons of war.

If there are past lives, and if there were OT powers, maybe
those powers are why we can no longer remember anything.

Various rundowns indicate that forgetfulness IS an OT power.

Running whole track OT glare fights might open up some interesting
stuff for you. None of it may be true, but you might gain some insight
into why having those abilities now might not be a good thing, as much as
we would dearly love to use them on the assholes that surround us.

It is not those who might reject OT powers that are the problem, (even
AFTER a demonstration!) it is those that would accept them and want to
enslave the owner to their own ends, or eradicate the owner completely.

Being able to move the marble with your mind doesn't mean you can
defend yourself OR YOU NON OT LOVED ONES against a determined army of wogs
out to enslave, imprision or destroy you.

OT powers come as you dare, and have the right motivations for them,
and remember OT motivations are coheretical to human motivations.

An OT is a game CREATOR, not a game player.

Yes there are hints of ESP, but really if it caught on, and was
dependable, missing the witholds of an entire planet is not good for a
person.

When I was in the org I was ALWAYS worried if the OT's knew what I was
thinking. I quickly found out they didn't, to my grand relief.

The e-meter knew more about me than the OT's did.

There are many OT powers that are not weapons of war, but weapons of
peace, but peace in one's own heart can not be shown to another.

So enjoy your dream of life, and when you wake up at death,
you will have the answers the Scner's may have scammed money out of you
for.

And in any case, the Scientology grade chart is very clear, OT
powers are not mentioned.

I would work on 'knows he or she won't get worse', or 'free from
overwhelm'.

Even a simple exteriorization would put you in the weapons of war
league if you started to prove it with the 3x5 card on the back of your
head with a 10 digit number on it.

There are lots of exterioriation types however that just make
you feel better without burdening you with illegal sight.

Homer

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Honest Abe wrote:

> <homer@lightlink.com> wrote in message
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>> TO DEMONSTRATE OR NOT TO DEMONSTRATE OT POWERS
>>
>> SCI - 21
>>
>> Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith
>> Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The subject of proof is a big one. So for the moment I wish to
>> post a poetic cop out to your question, but I promise to keep it under
>> consideration.
>>
>> Do OT's have superhuman powers?
>>
>> I would presume so.
>
> Such a presumption requires hard evidence to be considered even possibly
> valid.
> Where is your evidence if not proof of OT powers?
> I won't hold my breath while awaitiong a reply!
>
>> What are they?
>>
>> Anything you can imagine, including the creation of universes,
>> people in those universes, and the ability to become those people in
>> those universes asking questions about OT.
>
> "Anything you can imagine." That really says it all! Your beliefs and
> delusions may be real to you but objectively are not real to anyone else
> unless they agree, and they are NOT objectively real if they cannot be
> publicly demonstrated or scientifically validated.
>
>> Can these powers be demonstrated?
>>
>> Yes, certainly some of the more physical powers surely can be
>> demonstrated.
>
> Where and when are these to be demonstrated? I would love to see it for
> myself. I'd even risk going to a $cientology Orgre to see them demonstrated.
> Be sure to follow up this post with exactly WHERE and WHEN the demonstration
> will be given.
>
>> Should they be demonstrated?
>
> Yes, if you want any sane, scientifically educated people to accept them as
> fact.
>
>> That would depend on the individual OT who had them and who had to
>> be accountable for the effects that demonstrating his powers would have.
>>
>> You mentioned SHOCK in your question about OT's coming to visit
>> your place out of their body and reporting back to you what they had
>> seen.
>
> ESP exists, but has not as yet been explained by science. Until science does
> that, it is ludicrously unscientific and self-deceptive to accept often
> profit-motivated claims regarding it.
>
>> The awareness characteristic scale puts shock at -16,
>>
>> -14 Delusion
>> -15 Hysteria
>> -16 Shock
>> -17 Catatonia
>> -18 Oblivion
>
> Ah yes, another "scale" to evaluate by. One more of Flubbard's attempts to
> make his pretentious claims and tall tales seem to be scientifically based.
>
>> Thus causing any form of shock to a populace at large could hardly
>> be considered good for a civilization.
>>
>> Hubbard taught us to do everything on a gradient scale, which means
>> little by little, not all at once. Therefore enormous displays of
>> unquestionable demonstrations were frowned upon by Hubbard.
>
> On a gradient, little by little, I started to realize what a money-grubbing
> scam artist Flubbard was. Then I read a couple of good books exposing him
> and his cult, and it all became quite "clear".
>
>> I would tend to agree.
>>
>> It is very dangerous to demonstrate power to those who do not have
>> power.
>
> Bullshit! Those that cannot accept "OT phenomena" would simply reject it if
> they saw it. BUT WHO HAS SEEN SUCH POWERS DEMONSTRATED in scientifically
> verifiable conditions? NO ONE, because $cientology HAS NOT been able to
> create such powers in their alleged "OTs".
>
>> Those who have power know this.
>>
>> Those who do not have power, don't know this.
>>
>> What can you do?
>>
>> Now here is the cop out, if you are serious about getting proof of
>> power I would instead audit you on the subject of power until some power
>> opened up in you. It needn't be actual abilities to move rocks or
>> things, but you would get a clear idea that what ever power you desire
>> is available and in fact you would settle back down into being
>> comfortably able to NOT have power for a while, or at least until you
>> were more ready for it.
>
> What nonsense! Talk about a cop out! SHOW ME SOMEONE ABLE TO FLOAT AN OBJECT
> IN MIDAIR AT WILL, through their "OT" powers alone, and I'll believe it. But
> YOU WON'T because YOU CAN'T.
>
>> Just consider what would happen to you if you had the ability to go
>> anywhere on the planet and see anyone doing anything they were doing,
>> and you could kill anyone with an electrical spark to the brain or
>> heart. (Nipping, History of Man).
>
> "Nipping!" BWAHAHAHA! Pure science fiction, from a scam artist that said he
> could make far more money starting a religion than by writing, and he went
> ahead and did just that!
>
>> Now the auditing question would be something like,
>>
>> 'Tell me what would happen over time if you had this power?'
>>
>> The correct E/P of this process would be an experience of power
>> opening up inside yourself, certainty that power exists, and a settling
>> out of your willingness to have or not have power as you wished.
>>
>> Another process for handling people's problems with proof, would
>> be,
>>
>> 'What evidence do you have that you are not an OT?'
>> 'What evidence do you have that you are an OT?'
>>
>> What this will turn up are quite a number of false certainties
>> that people are walking around in that prevent the possibility of
>> believing in OT. Once they see that these false certainties are just
>> not supportable, the possibility OPENS UP that OT is possible, and they
>> can approach it again with a new look.
>
> Brainwashing people into believing they are Superman, or potentially so.
> For this, you paid how many thousands of dollars?
>
>> The point is that if someone is an OT and no longer believes this,
>> they clearly have chosen to prove to themselves down the whole track
>> that they are not an OT and neither is anyone else.
>
> I'm still waiting to see ONE credible demonstration of these alleged OT
> powers.
> Looks like I'll be waiting forever!
>
>> For you to then go and present them with incontrovertible proof
>> that they are wrong, would merely open up a very old wound, an OT wound,
>> that would probably severely hurt the person or his body.
>
> I read the "OT" materials and suffered no ill effects. The alleged evil
> consequences of doing so are a LIE designed to keep people from knowing what
> nonsense they are paying for until after they pay for it!
>
>> So although I am truly copping out on a direct answer to your
>> question, for reasons that I believe to be justified, I am at the same
>> time presenting you with auditing procedures that you can use on
>> yourself or someone else to set off a spark of power within your own
>> space and to open the door to your own further private investigations
>> free from the harrasment of others.
>
> Want power? Become a martial arts master.
> If there WERE any true OT powers, why does $cientology staff use physical
> force in disciplining their slaves in the Sea Org and elsewhere?
>
>> Others who wish you to prove your powers because they hope you have
>> none, or because they want you to use them to take care of them.
>>
>> People who demand proof often have a hidden agenda.
>
> It is not hidden and it is common sense - it is being less vulnerable to
> SCAM ARTISTS and their CULTS!
>
>> Proof is available that THEY have power, not that other's already have
>> it.
>
> How come I was never able to float that ashtray in the TR drills? NO ONE was
> able to.
> Convincing someone they have imaginary powers is simply deluding them, not
> creating any actual ability.
>
>> Proof is available for that too but no one with power would be
>> likely to prove it unless it was part of a larger world changing plan to
>> do so. In which case they would do it anyhow on their own schedule and
>> not because someone ask them to.
>
> The cult scammers claim that "proof is available", but somehow it is NEVER
> demonstrated!
>
>> Here are some more auditing questions to run solo or co audit:
>>
>> 'What would you do with power?'
>> 'What would you not do with power?'
>>
>> 'Why should you have power?'
>> 'Why should you not have power?'
>>
>> By the way the Power Processes of the Church (Grade V) deal with
>> just this subject. They are held confidential because when run properly
>> they cause a person to revivify some of the worst moments on his track.
>
> What is "held confidential" is what would, if exposed as the OT3 Xenu fable
> has been, demonstrate what a SCAM it all is!
>
>> People have little problem with believing in past lives when they
>> are reliving one as if it were now.
>
> Hypnosis and drugs can allow you to contact what are interpreted as "past
> lives". Are they REALLY past lives? I had such "past track memories" in
> auditing, but in retrospect I consider them probably the same type of
> imaginings that we call dreams. No wonder $cientology has nothing to say
> about dreams!
>
>> Before such a reviv it may be hard to get real on anything in the
>> memory, because so much energy is being directed at keeping this one set
>> of memories at bay.
>>
>> The power processes by the way are NOT held confidential in the
>> field and are in fact used in routine auditing as they go quickly and
>> directly to the center of the case.
>>
>> If the case is ready for it.
>>
>> The Power Processes were developed by Ron Hubbard in tandem with
>> John McMaster at Saint Hill to help crack seriously resistive cases.
>
> Or to scam seriously skeptical suckers?
>
>> John McMaster was Scientology's first confirmed clear, and left the
>> Church in the early 70's or so.
>
> WHY DID HE LEAVE?
>
>> He made many tapes that are circulating around the field that add a
>> deep insight to the inner workings of Ron and Scientology, not all bad.
>
> "Not all bad." That surely says alot!
>
>> He remained a devoted clearing practitioner until the end, he died
>> last year.
>
> He DIED? What, no OT powers could save him?
> I'll put my trust in medical science, thank you!
>
>
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ADORE843

EGO

I accept your apology for confusing the illusions of ego with "I"
which is absolute and is all things conscious or asleep.

Ego is not a THING, it is a function of a thing, namely the I, and
the I gets all involved with the functions of the ego, to survive in
space time as a self determined or otherdetermined unit.

What is missing from all these discussion is an analysis of AGENCY.

Just as we can be certain we see (or are) red, we can also be
certain we are agent.

Sense of agency leads directly into sense of the true Self, the
responsible one.

There is a reason one is guilty, and thus lives in shame.

There may be illusions obscuring a clear view to this, but it
powered by the truth of allmighty I AM, or SOMETHING IS.

That agency may be a conscious reflection usurpation of a higher
or more grounded agency that powers even the I, we admit that without
further argument.

But that higher power is the GROUND of I, not a higher I.

Those that hope to doff responsibility however by handing it over
to the ground of all being, are in for a long haul of pain.

The ground of all being gave full responsibility to you, so I
suggest you use it.

"Source sources only when will casts."

What is also left out are the perceptions of perfect certainty that
exists with consciousness and IS consciousness.

It's too hot to handle.

Running "I am not that" is a waste of time, unless one also runs "I
am that, certainly". One may be wrong, but eventually one becomes right
on the matter.

The ego is a small piece and fucntion of the totality of existence
that the I has come think that's all it has, self image is somewhat good
to describe this.

Auditing self images is also cool.

But the problem is not that the self is wrong about being that or
this, it's error is in thinking it is this and NOT that.

It is this AND that.

And that grows big very fast.

Concentrating on I AM NOT, or what I am NOT goes down hill
very fast.

It isn't true I is NOTHING, it is true that I is ALL.

Something exists, that is certain.

That which is certain, agent and gives a damn is the true *I* even
in its illusion of abject finiteness.

Homer

Pip <pip1010@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Ego is a latin word meaning "I". Ego is also one of the three
> constructs in Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche.
> In spirituality the ego is often associated with mind and the sense of
> time, which compulsively thinks in order to be assured of its future
> existence, rather than simply knowing its own self and the present.
>
> The spiritual goal of many traditions involves the dissolving of the
> ego, allowing self-knowledge of one's own true nature to become
> experienced and enacted in the world. This is variously known as
> enlightenment, Nirvana, Presence, and the "Here and Now". Eckhart Tolle
> comments that, to the extent that the ego is present in an individual,
> that individual is somewhat insane psychologially, in reference to the
> ego's nature as compulsovely hyperactive and compulsively (and
> pathologically) self-centered. However, since this is the norm, it goes
> unrecognised as the source of much that could be classified as insane
> behavior in everyday life. In South Asian traditions, the state of
> being trapped in the illusory belief that one is the ego is known as
> maya or samsara. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_%28spirituality%29 ***
>
> Like the four blind men describing an elephant, descriptions of the ego
> never seem to tell the whole story. So what is the ego? Both
> discussions below are relevant and Carol makes a good point and preface
> for my view of the ego. The qualities ascribed to the ego like
> arrogance, pride, or posessiveness are often called "ego" but ego
> itself is something deeper, some more nebulous structure from which
> these traits arise. The simplest description might just be that ego is
> one's "self image" which might be strong, healthy, confident, or weak,
> defensive, overbearing etc. It consists of one's story, memories,
> personality, and situation. Confusion comes from "ego" meaning "I",
> while the attributes of the ego structure being discussed are NOT one's
> sense self awareness and existence but something else. So for this
> discussion ego is not the real "I" but only those aspects of one's mind
> and personality that one mistakenly takes oneself to be.
>
> So the ego is a false self which might be describes as the various
> identities or programmed characteristics which one identifies with.
> When a set of beliefs, memories, and goals are taken to represent ones
> true beliefs memories and goals then we can say that the being is under
> the control of the false self. One's existence or real "I" is a self
> knowing state whereas what one feels and believes about oneself and what
> one takes oneself to be may indeed be false, and certainly is, if it is
> anything other than the real I. But then what is the real I? It is
> possible to conceive of the real I to some degree, as one can conceive
> of the Static, but the concept is of course not the thing. The problem
> is that most of what we think of as being "ourselves" may be only
> characteristics of our bodies, our circumstances, our memories, our
> stories, our personality, and all the things which we HAVE, DO, or are
> BEING (portraying). Yet all these things can and do change. Virtually
> all these things change lifetime to lifetime and yet our essential
> nature, our true self affirming "I" does not. You can see this right
> now - you are always you even when you have other bodies and other
> personalities - that's the real "I". The question then arises whether
> ANY beliefs, memories, or characteristics can represent the true self.
> The answer is, not unless the being has recognized what it is. While
> these things are creations of the true self, unless they are informed by
> the realization of truth in present time, they only represent an
> evolving beingness, a character in a story who is continuously
> transformed by its personality and circumstances.
>
> But we can take this deeper. What allows us to not see what we are? To
> have a "false self" or to get falsely self-identified in the first
> place? I believe that not seeing what we really are starts as a sense
> of separation from our own experience. One can say of any aspect of
> one's own experience "I experience that". The I and the "that" are
> separate. This may be the ultimate illusion. This opens the door to
> finding something to be (since one has in a sense forgotten what one
> is) and identifying with it, ie strongly believing, assuming, and acting
> as if one is that, be it a body, mind, character, story etc. Ideas like
> oneness and "I am everything" are often expressed by those claiming to
> have regained their original perspective as a self illuminated eternal
> being.
>
> So those advocating the end of the ego may be pointing the way to
> spiritual freedom but by declaring that the ego as "I" is an illusion or
> non-existent, as I have done, they are treading on sacred ground.
> The ego they are referring to is of course the false self, but as Carol
> describes below, ideologies clash without proper duplication. Perhaps
> the easiest route is to notice what one is NOT until one has a
> realization. This would be an unlimited process. One way to look at
> this is that the "NOT" is already the postulate in effect, so one is
> taking it over and theoretically getting free of it at some point. We
> are actually everything but we are identifying with something we assume
> exists but does not. Another viewpoint is that this process eventually
> exhausts the possibilities, or the ego itself, so that only the truth
> remains. Also if one questions all identifications, all things one
> believes one IS, and all concepts of reality continually, this may also
> be a valid path to waking up from the virtual reality dream we are in as
> well.
>
> "I ask you only to stop imagining that you were born, have parents, are
> a body, will die and so on. Just try. Make a beginning - it's not as
> hard as you think." -Nisargadatta Maharaj
>
> "All you have to do is get past the idea that you're a human being on
> planet Earth. Flush that belief out of your system and a huge mass of
> backed-up mental sewage automatically gets flushed out with it." -Jed
> McKenna
>
> Pip
>
>
> that's like calling a tree a forest when it is only one attribute of a
> forest ecosystem although it is a microcosm of the forest and posseses
> some of the characteristics of the forest.
>
> Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
>>CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Ego" is a very ambiguous word in the history of psychology, world
>>>religions, and metaphysics. Sometimes it has a positive healthy
>>>connotation akin to soul or healthy individuality, other times it has an
>>>undesirable or derogatory connotation akin to arrogance or
>>>worldly-physicalworld self. So you have to know a tradition and how it
>>>defines "ego", not mix traditions or desirable/undesirable connotations
>>>and have broad historical awareness when you hear the term.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Prayer, meditation, contemplation, prayer intentions, postulates,
>>>affirmations are a complex set of subjects. There is great danger that
>>>one from outside of a tradition will misdefine and misunderstand, and then
>>>argue against his own misdefinition and misunderstanding, with the
>>>questionable purpose of setting his own view off against or in contrast to
>>>some other view that he has now in effect trashed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>My preferred interpretation of Scn "thetan" is more like Hindu "atman" or
>>>pure consciousness, spirit.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>And I understand "theta" as spiritual substance in a classical sense.
>>>But I've been told countless times that my understanding on these misses
>>>LRH's view/definition. My view is more like Scn if I had invented it.
>>>Sort of like the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) - the group that
>>>acts out days from the middle ages as they should have been lived.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I think however that LRH modeled "thetan" in large part on, or was
>>>inspired by, Kant's "transcendental unity of apperception."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>My partial definition of Kant's "transcendental unity of apperception"
>>>is a self that is a priori or prior and beyond sense experience and
>>>logic, with an ability to look AT the contents of thought, and includes
>>>self-consciousness or self awareness. This was a step beyond Descartes'
>>>systematic doubt and his "I think, therefore I am." So what is prior to
>>>and beyond sense experience and logic? Traditionally that would be
>>>spirit, self as spirit.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In Scn, sometimes ego in an undesirable sense as in arrogance or excessive
>>>pride or narcissism etc. get tangled up with thetan. I consider that a
>>>liability and a failure to differentiate, but it does make for certain
>>>kinds of "games" in life, people having an experience, and all who stand
>>>witness then have an opportunity to see the consequences, how all that
>>>tends to unfold. As Phil would say, "People are doing their demo in
>>>life."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Carol
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>jacksonmoore69@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Please help me understand
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>By auditing the past we are clearing the losses of the "being"
>>>>individual. Of course this is placing "share of attention" on these
>>>>areas of Duress and we of course can expect future slumps after
>>>>auditing as a result. (A thetan creates what they postulate and
>>>>validates whatever they put their attention on)
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>It appears that the Thetan realises with more clarity that they are
>>>>'source' and do not need to Prayer or Connect to a source point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Is this the premise behind all auditing type schools??
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On the other hand - there are those that use the brotherhood of the
>>>>universe - the infinite energy - an with meditation and intention,
>>>>prayer and whatever ...do well in life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>A true Scientologist may beleive they are falling into the oneness
>>>>trap...a long term trap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>However many people in a very loving way - say how many wins they have
>>>>had from this path...
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Hardcore scios are the first to ridge against most other non scio
>>>>things including oneness - we know they are awkward to be around and
>>>>we know they have individuated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>In Jungian or any other ology - this is the ego talking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Are we supposed ti audit this ego and make IT more aware...simply
>>>>because..
>>>>WE THINK WE ARE A THETAN - THE I ....NOT PART OF AN OTHER...
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>A few of you guys have said that god is a duality and we are both "at
>>>>one" and "ourselves" simultaneously..
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Or is it more correct to say...
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>"we are all connected to the infinite...but we are all individual and
>>>>this is how the glory of the infinite realises its own wonder..." or
>>>>some stuff like that
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>And if one person wants to exteriorise and realise they ARE a thetan
>>>>(ie exteriorise the EGO to validate erroneously that we are super
>>>>individual) then they may be subject to the ultimate CON
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>That we can enforce everlasting life by empowering the ego through
>>>>auditing the ?thetan? so that this ego can have everlasting life which
>>>>was the original erroneous goal of the ego in teh original scriptures
>>>>(refer to the story of aladdin and the lamp - aladin is the poor boy
>>>>that wants to improve his lot by askiing the infinite wisdom, genie,
>>>>BUT the bad guy wants the lamp for himself to have all the power for
>>>>himself and thus wishes he has all the power of the genie and is thus
>>>>destroyed in the attempt)
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>This is the ancient way of describing hw the ego realises it can have
>>>>the knowledge of GOD AS the ego instead f connecting with source.
>>>>
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>>>>On the tone scale we may easily say - well at tone 400 (not tone 40)
>>>>400!!, you are the one source (hyperthetically) - But that is theory.
>>>>
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>>>>Are we just trying to enforce everlasting life by figuring out HOW the
>>>>ego (thetan) failed in past eons..when we should be validating TRUE
>>>>SELF.. straight off and placing most attention on that and ignoring
>>>>most of the negative other than giving it acks..
>>>>
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>>>>TRUE SELF??? - is this the being that is part of the whole magic of
>>>>the universe and can make an impact onteh universe with infinite
>>>>loving power. With no ego and unlimited forgiveness and love can we
>>>>use the theta energy or whatever you want to call it to truly move
>>>>mountains...Shift galaxies (lovingly).
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>Do WE live forever - operative word WE collectively and simply ebb and
>>>>flow from each other...am I truly NOT YOU (i don't think so) - this is
>>>>even proven in Scientology as auditing case from a % of the population
>>>>is enough to handle the condition.
>>>>
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>>>>Thanks for reading
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THE SINS OF THE CHILDREN

ADO - 12
21 February 1994

Copyright (C) 1994 Homer Wilson Smith
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The sins of the children will read on the parents as a withhold.

The parents will not want others to know what their children did.

They won't want others to know that the child is their child.

They will be trying to withhold the child from doing it again.

And in the end they will be withholding having had that child, or
ever having more.

Thus asking the preclear if he is withholding the overts of any of
his children or grand children etc, in this or in past lives, is a good
way to find the central computation on the 2nd dynamic case of life
begetting life.

If you knowingly and willingly create a Free Will, and you let it
loose on the world, with full awareness of the possible consequences,
well then you are fully responsible, accountable and culpable for all of
its actions and all of the consequences for the rest of time.

If God is the Father, then he is fully responsible, accountable,
and culpable for the sins of his children, regardless of any
considerations about Free Will.

Christians try to deny that God is responsible, accountable and
culpable for the sins of His children, because they wish to deny that
they are responsible, accountable and culpable for the sins of their own
children.

The Christians will tell you that the sins of the father are
visited on the children for 4 generations.

The truth is that the sins of the children are visited upon the
father forever.

The way to happiness is a true confession.

Homer

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PRIVACY

Notice the date on this posting below.
Notice I was in a bad mood the day I wrote it.
Notice this posting is not about you and not to you personally.

DO NOT READ THIS POSTING UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

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PRIVACY

Copyright (C) 1992 Homer Wilson Smith

The world is full of small little people with nothing important to
say.

Their feeling is that the only people who have something to say,
who therefore are not being quiet, are up to no good.

It is perfectly fine with this constituency then if the Government,
which they elect into power, passes laws outlawing privacy, in the name
of catching the bad guys, because if the government listened in on the
constituency they would hear only silence or the background chatter of
mindless unimportances, except for the loud and clear and very important
conspirings of bad guys.

Those who have nothing to communicate have no need of privacy.

Privacy is basically a directed channel of communication.

It's A saying something to B and not to C.

To the silent majority the crime is not the directing of a
communication, it is the presence of any communication (of importance)
at all.

They consider that if you are using your rights to privacy, that is
directing a communication to B and not to C, it's only because you are
trying to hide that there IS a communication in the first place.

Those who have nothing to communicate and in fact resent those who
do, will have no need for direct and private channels to anyone, and
will take efforts to destroy the channels built by others to communicate
amongst themselves.

The reason why governments are elected into power such as ours, is
because of the nature of the people who elect them into power: namely
people who have nothing to say, no one to say it to, and no reason to
have it said.

The first thing that such governments do is outlaw privacy, because
what they are really outlawing is communication.

Such people would be perfectly happy if the world and everyone in
it were perfectly silent all the time.

Once privacy is outlawed only outlaws will have privacy.

And they will be our elected officials, you can bet on it.

Silence may be golden, but privacy is precious.

Unfortunately, those who have nothing to say, rarely have ears to
hear either.

Homer

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ADORE851

TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OTHERS

PREAMBLE

Aberrated people like to define various areas of inquiry out of
existence by usurping the words used to properly discuss these areas for
their own ends.

For example in the dictionary it will tell you interpretation means
rendition, and rendition means interpretation. This totally short
circuits any discussion about the DIFFERENCES between referents and
symbols.

Referents are rendered into symbols, and one interprets symbols
back into referents.

Another clear breach of understandings caused by such chicanery, is
engendered by misuse of the term responsibility, in particular the
phrase 'to be responsible for.'

"To be responsible for" means to be the knowing willing cause of.

"To take responsibility for something" means to own up to having
created that something.

You make a mess of things, you take responsibility for the mess by
owning up to being the causal creator of the mess.

However to 'take responsibility for' is also used to mean to come
across a mess that you did not create, and may not know who did create
it, but then to add your cause into it to make it better.

In this sense "to take responsibility for" means to take control of
or over an existing situation in order to change or guide its future
direction to a better end.

In the first sense, responsible people cause things.

In the second sense, responsible people look after or take care of
things already caused.

The Nanny didn't cause the kid but she makes damn sure it grows up
right, once invited in to take care of it.

Technically we like to discriminate between these two usages by
saying the creator is responsible FOR an area, and the creature TAKES
responsibility OVER an area after the fact of its creation.

Thus the creator takes responsibility by owning up to having caused
something.

The creature takes responsibility over what the creator has created
and left behind for him to manage and improve.

But the english language will have none of it, everyone uses the
two phrases interchangeably to great harm.

When someone demands 'Who is responsible for this mess?', does he
want the guy who created it, or the guy who is cleaning it up?

Thus in this posting we concede to the bastardizations of the
masses and where we mean to discuss 'taking responsibility OVER
something,' we will say instead 'taking responsibility FOR' something.

In this process, we are not interested at all in who created things
as they are, we are only interested in who or what is trying to do
something about them to the betterment of everything.

THIS UNIVERSE

This universe is an 8 cylinder engine, 10 if you want to include
aesthetics and ethics, 16 if you want to include decency, truth,
awareness, individuality, coexistence, and consciousness.

For the moment the standard lower 8 will do.

They are concentric circles of encompassment:

8,) The Infinite
7.) Spirit
6.) MEST
5.) Life Forms
4.) Mankind
3.) Groups
2.) Family
1.) Self

Each dynamic is a subset of and is included in the dynamic above
it.

It is called a dynamic because each is an arena of active
consumption and production towards survival, where hopefully one is
producing more than consuming and thus surviving well, prospering and
flourishing, and creating affluence for the greatest good of the
greatest number.

Each dynamic goal goes a bit deeper than only survival, because it
is really about cycles of action, namely create, survive and destroy.

Cycles of action have to include destroy in order to make room for
new creation.

So keep that in mind when we talk about survival, we really mean
create, survive and destroy depending on what stage the being is in on
each dynamic goal he is pursuing.

CREATE AND DESTROY

One can create by creating a new as-isness and altering it.

One can destroy by as-isness and not altering it.

One can also destroy by force, meaning to bust apart something
already created by not destroyed.

One can create by force by putting together parts made
by previous destruction by force.

For example everything created on Earth out of MEST was once a star
that exploded destroying itself. Sometimes the star stuff has to be
regathered and blown up two or more times to get all the heavy elements
necessary for life.

Thus life on earth is very much a creation by force of prior
destructions by force.

Thus one is interested in creating by destroying, and destroying by
creating.

Sometimes in destroying one allows something else to be created
which is unwanted and a surprise.

Likewise in creating, sometimes one allows something else to be
destroyed which is still wanted and a suprise.

Upsets occur along this line that then become regretable.

Creation and destruction, by as-isness, or by force, become equally
opposed to each other, first as an indecision, should I create or should
I destroy, and then as a DECISION or AND, I will create AND I will
destroy at the same time forever.

Thus clearing is directed at all ANDS and indecisions on the
subject of creating and destroying, either through as-isness or through
force.

BASIC PURPOSE

A child's understanding of its 'basic purpose' is incident upon its
individuation in this life, first awareness of self and personal agency,
that is I AM, I KNOW, I WANT and I DO.

I AM is his basic self awareness through the facility of perfect
certainty born of self luminous consciousness of which he is a unit.

I KNOW is the collected and collecting understandings of himself
and life and how it works. Understanding is only about cause and
relation.

I WANT is his basic purpose at the moment.

I DO is his personal agency functioning through operating
responsibility to bring about what he wants via what he knows and effort
or force in the MEST universe.

A basic purpose or goal is a desire to engage in a cycle of action
towards the survival of many someones or somethings on all of the 8
dynamics.

Beings have dynamic goals that are very short from start to
attainment, others are many life times long and are called trans life
time goals.

I been working on a star drive for eons, but I had to learn to add
first, you see?

There are also trans universe goals, and trans eternity goals,
which are the primary reasons he chooses to manifest in the first place.

"To show my love by making a mess of things."

M.E.S.S. stands for Magnificent Examples of Shames and Shambles -
Adore

Manifestations happen in grand cycles of snooze to dreamtime back
to snooze again.

Nothing is kept from dream to dream, each dream is complete in
itself, but the primary why to manifest remains the same, to share self
love with others.

But a dream can contain many sub dreams within dreams, universes
within universes, life time after life time. In this sense goals that
started long ago in one universe, or one life, may still be continuing
in this life and universe until they are finally finished a long time
down the road in maybe yet another universe.

Sleep in time during an ongoing dream is a mockery of the Big
Snooze between cycles of manifestation.

The Big Snooze is utter eternal immutable unimpingability until the
self generated call to the next manifestation happens.

The total time of a particular cycle of manifestation can be untold
trillions upon trillions of years between big snoozes, but they are
always finite, and the being can get time off anytime from a dream, back
to the big snooze, for a while if he manages his dreamtime properly.

Dreamtime between big snoozes is manifestation via the operation of
dynamic thrust towards many different goals across however many dynamics
there are, which in this universe are 8.

Thus the dynamic thrust of an individual, called by Freud his
libido, is an 8 pronged rush into existence to get something done in the
time allotted, from the dynamic of self in this lifetime to the dynamic
of the infinite cross all Eternities.

One might well ask how could one have a goal on or to enhance the
infinite. When you find it, you will know it.

You might also want to run "How could I help enhance the MEST
universe?"

A quick clue, since anti entropy is the only thing of value in a
universe headed for absolute entropy everywhere, then enhancing the anti
entropy in your life and local vicinity might be a good start.

On the other hand, if the universe ever turns around and heads for
a Big Bang again, super concentrated anti entropy, then entropy might
one day become more valuable than anti entropy, and creating some chaos
might be the order of the day. What ever keeps the games of life forms
going.

So it isn't just one basic purpose that a child has, like to be a
doctor or play the piano, its a universally wide matrix of purposes that
interplay with each other across all the dynamics.

OPPOSITION AND OVERRUN.

People crash and get sick to the degree that their basic purposes
are blunted by self opposition, or overrun during dreamtime.

Crashing means the dynamic thrust turns around and hits the floor
like a rocket that will not fly or goes into a wall it can not overcome.

An opposed or blunted purpose means the purpose ran into an
overwhelming opposition, and the being gets stopped on his impulse to
create, survive or destroy something of importance to him on one or more
dynamics, and he gives up, changes course, and never looks back, never
takes it up again.

Being opposed by others is interesting, being opposed by self
is deadly.

The being tries, fails, rues, loses faith and trust in his own
abilities and worthwhileness, his own quality game playing
characteristics, and he removes himself from the playing field, so as
not to ruin things for his friends.

Instead he starts to pursue a substitute purpose, still powered by
the emotion of his original basic purpose which is now suffering in
anger, fear, sorrow and apathy, and so his every effort makes him sick
and his life is a sinking ship.

He is operating on the right intention at ground zero, but every
effort and direction he takes from there is wrong.

The power is still there, but rather than flowing smoothly with
peace, humor, love and perhaps some thrill and romance, towards its true
purpose and destiny, its flow is of dread, horror and sorrow,
enturbulated, chaotic and confused by the oppositions in the way of the
flow, no longer playing a worthwhile game with quality moves.

Nothing sadder than to see a river of power turn against itself.

Eventually even the river runs out of tears and can cry no more
because it can love no more.

Sorrow is simply enturbulated love: no sorrow = no love.

For most, before they can recover the ability to love, they have to
recover sorrow and the ability to cry forever.

"Only drowning men can see Him."

Once they are drowning in their own tears, they will find the love
they turned away from in shame.

OVERRUN

An overrun purpose is a time where the being actually accomplished
all or part of a basic purpose, but fails to acknowledge the win and
move on.

Instead he continues to try to win, when he has already done so,
and thus he starts to lose by definition, under the power of his
consideration that he hasn't won yet.

Again he eventually succumbs to substitute purposes and the death
they entail to his endless beautiful future.

Most beings are a complex mess of both being stopped and overrun.

They deride and pour contempt on brightness, and so their future is
gray, bleak, grim or finite.

They cry 'prove it to me I am worthwhile.'

Only the good and worthwhile feel guilty cry or give a damn.

Some games were just too hard to play at the time, the problem was
not that he lost, but that he gave up forever and turned to a new
heading rather than put it on the back burner to approach it again one
day. Actually he did, but he has long since forgotten that the back
burner is there with stacks of interrupted games and other failures
waiting to be rekindled.

Some games he won, but were so beautiful he didn't want to say good
bye to them yet, so he pretended he was still trying and continued to
play.

Both are death, because the being failed to create a BIGGER MORE
beautiful game and play that. Instead the being got smaller, and lost
his way in endless turning from his course of action to some other
direction. Enough of that and you are going in circles, but its a
dwindling spiral because the being is getting smaller and smaller with
each turn.

HOW TO AUDIT

In breaking open the ball of charge created by being stopped or
overrun on basic purposes, one has to address each of the dynamics and
all of the events that took place on them. They are all right there
waiting to be audited.

If this is done properly, the being will rehab his willingness and
ability to operate on each dynamic again, either with a new bigger basic
purpose, or getting on with the original one to final completion.

That results in a life of triumph rather than defeat.

The final triumph is eternality, and the final defeat is hell
forever or death forever for those who can no longer confront their own
hells.

However no hell can outlast a true confession, and that is what
auditing is about and why in the end its all worthwhile.

In early childhood where basic purposes are first posited, they are
usually unstated. The child does not yet have the words for them,
probably no body has the words for them.

The child does not get out of bed and say 'One day I am going to
...', but yet there he is every day getting out of bed and being, doing,
or having whatever ... is.

Thus when a purpose gets overwhelmed by opposition, either by the
people around him who would just faint if he ever did well, or the
universe at large that can be pretty mean for a small child, the
experience of failure will be strong but not verbally detailed, and
certainly not talked out to cognitions and very good indicators with
anyone.

Usually the being just rolls up in a ball and tries to forget he
ever had any dreams.

It is an 8 dynamic ball with the power of the roaring Mississippi
behind it, and unrolling it can be hard without trying to roll it again.

Almost everyone in a child's early life are lost souls like he too
is soon to become. There is no help in them.

Eventually the child grows up and becomes an adult, and, well we
all know what "Gr'ups" are like. (From Startrek.)

For example when I was a child, I was brought up mostly in a world
of science, but also the normal background noise of religion. I wanted
to believe in God and an after life, but I just couldn't quite see my
way to it.

Santa Claus made more sense than Jesus.

One day, I must have been 8 or 9, I was reading a book on the solar
system and getting an idea of just how big space and time really were.

Being a meatball I still believed in their actuality, but I always
knew I could be dreaming. But I couldn't believe that if I were
dreaming, no one else had noticed this fact, so I crashed into accepting
that things were as they looked, and I was made of meat and operated out
of a brain.

That would have made me a basically healthy meatball like everyone
else.

Little did I realize that perfect certainty of self existence is
impossible to a space time gizmo, even a Grade A bouef brain.

But then that one day I was reading this book on the solar system,
and I got to the last chapter entitled 'How the Earth might end.'

It went into detail about an asteroid coming in from outer space
and smashing the earth to pieces never to be any more.

Because I was young, I went into a thunderous confused shock on the
matter, I could barely stand up, and I wasn't thinking very clearly.

I did not have a good idea of where life came from, and I wasn't
clear headed enough to wonder if life on other planets existed, and I
didn't know that life could regenerate it self elsewhere if destroyed
here.

So I got this feeling of EVERYTHING GONE, which restimulated my EOE
chain which is very deep.

EOE = End of Everything.

Worse I started to think about the God question again, and I tried
to imagine a being that would create a universe that was so opposed to
itself that it would or could wipe out all of life and sentience forever
and the AllThatIs would just continue on for an eternity with no one in
it, serving no purpose at all.

That an INTELLIGENT creator could create such a thing, an
everywhere present purposeless nothingness forever for free, turned on
my monster chain, as such a creator would have to be a monster.

If you have ever felt monster vibrations, you might want to take a
look at it, namely the interplay between intelligent intent and utter
absolute destruction of everything everywhere forever more.

So what happened that day was, whatever my goals were regarding
life on Earth and MEST on the 5th and 6th dynamics, well they died and
along with it most of the rest of my life. If the higher dynamics die
they take out the lower dynamics with them.

If there wasn't going to be an Earth, why bother having a family or
learn how birds fly?

What were those higher goals?

Well as I said, all goals on all dynamics are IN GENERAL for the
same thing, namely to engage in cycles of action, consumption and
production, along those dynamics to create, survive and destroy.

Now looking in hindsight I would say that my goal on the sixth
dynamic was something like:

"To make the Earth Survive."

To survive against what you might ask?

Well there are a lot of things that are going to test the survival
of life and civilization on Earth that a little child could wrap its
wits around, but if an asteroid is going to come in and wipe it all
away, why bother?

And if there is a God, such an event would prove that God was a
monster, which had seemed like he was anyhow up to that point, so my
interest changed suddenly and dramatically from science, which now
seemed like a waste of time, to religion which was much more important
to solve.

We know the asteroid exists.

I had felt the monster, so I knew the Devil existed.

The question remained does God exist, and if so, what do we DO
about him? Do we help him or harm him?

Was God our savior or was God the monster?

My gut feeling was that even God was afraid of the monster.

I couldn't shake that one.

Ain't NO ONE going near this thing.

It might be true that 'he who made him can approach unto him', but
no one made the monster. It was Sovereign.

This is not a particularly sane frame of mind for a child to be in,
particularly a budding scientist with the world at his feet due to his
father's fame.

But to me science became like watching E! Entertainment on TV
rather than something edifying. Science was powerless in the face of a
monster God, and while religion was clearly planning for the destruction
of the Earth, science was paving the way to give it the power to do so.
This was 1959 after all and my attention was very much on atomic war,
and the assholes who couldn't seem to wait to have one.

So I got diverted away from my basic purposes on the 8 dynamics,
away from scientific goals towards religious goals, and only in later
years was I able to synthesize new goals to build a bridge between
religion and science.

The answer to the monstrosity of God was not new, but the answer
was lacking as a child.

Namely we ARE that God in carnation, and the things we can chose to
do to ourselves is wider than the things that would be proper for
someone else to do to us.

Thus we might expect a wild ride, and still appreciate it with a
sense of humor and high appreciation for ludicrous demise.

The monster is merely seeing ourself in the mirror, mad as hell
about apparently not being sovereign ourselves (when in fact we are).

And given the existence of the monster, there was no hope remaining
that we could have ever been or ever will be sovereign, so the
experience was self locking.

DIVINITY

Divinity is an endless series of frosty-friendly kind of human love
with infinite power and almost infinite willingness.

Thus divinity will never turn you away, but neither will it call
after you.

Because of this, divinity is willing to engage in games that a
human won't touch.

Being human is one of them.

This creates a separation in affinity between the creator aspect
and the creature aspect of the GodSoul which is one and the same being.

The GodSoul can get into a conundrum.

It can look in the mirror and see the monster, an all powerful
sovereign being that wants to die but can't.

The GodSoul is one step away from native state, but can't let go
and go to sleep because it wants to die forever, but it knows that if it
goes to sleep as native state it WILL wakeup again one day, which must
never happen again.

Thus the GodSoul holds onto its last shred of awakeness, hating
forever everything lovely, trying to die forever, but not being able to,
and finally becomes a Black Static Being, whose sole intent is to make
nothing out of everything forever for free.

Thus the GodSoul becomes its own guardian of the gate to
eternality, and cosmic rest.

This is the ultimate joke and the ultimate humor to find and
release to sleep again in peace forever.

The GodSoul as God Monster has forgotten something as it holds off
eternality with an endless immortality of terror.

It has forgotten its basic goal of manifestation, to share self
love with others, and to take responsibility for the survival of others.

TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OTHERS

Now in auditing this, you find something very very interesting.

A being is not alone and independent in this universe, he lives in
a complex web of dependencies of consumption and production with others
for his own survival.

And just as he depends on others for his survival, so too do they
depend on him for their survival.

When the being is a baby, one might say he is totally dependent on
others to take responsibility for his survival, such as his mother and
father who feed, clothe and shelter him, but also the rest of society
and its members who work hard to put a community and civilization in
place to provide sustenance, safety, education, and training.

If the child is attended to properly as a baby, he will grow up
into a being who also enjoys taking responsibility for the survival of
others across all 8 dynamics, risks be damned, and will return many fold
the investment made in him.

The way to independancy is the ability to operate dependency.

You can ask a being what he wants, and you can ask and ask and ask,
and he will list and list and list, just never get it.

What he wants is to look after, take care of, and take
responsibility for the survival of others.

When any healthy being reaches for something, he is always reaching
to take responsibility for the survival of others, or for others to take
responsibility for the survival of him and for others.

Happiness and optimum action depend on a balance of those two
flows.

Thus you will find in every being that their basic goal across the
8 dynamics in general is always the same thing:

TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OTHERS, NAMELY SOMETHING
OR SOMEONE.

And in return he expects and demands that others take
responsibility for his survival too.

Thus we find that the ONLY aberration a being could suffer would be
in his willingness and ability to take responsibility for the survival
of others, and to accept others taking responsibility for the survival
of him.

As you take apart the case therefore, you are looking for times
when his efforts to have others take responsibility for his survival as
a baby, and later his efforts to take responsibility for the survival of
others, came a cropper.

This created PROBLEMS in taking and receiving responsibility, and
case consists entirely and only of these unresolved problems, and the
solutions put in place to 'handle' them (not.)

For example there will be distinct people, places, things and times
that he absolutely will NOT be willing to take responsibility for their
survival INCLUDING HIS OWN BODY.

And there will be people, places, things and times that he will
absolutely NOT be willing to have them take responsibility for his
survival.

"I will NOT follow YOUR orders!"

In other words in these areas he will refuse to give or accept
survival from anyone in them.

This then forms his case, including the psychosomatic aspects of
his suffering.

ALL PSYCHOSOMATIC CONDITIONS IN THE BODY, HEART, MIND AND SOUL,
HAVE BEEN CREATED BY THE BEING IN ORDER TO

1.) Get others to take responsibility for his survival.
2.) Get others to NOT take responsibility for his survival.
3.) Be allowed to to take responsibility for other's survival.
4.) Be allowed to to NOT take responsibility for other's survival.

Because create, survive and destroy is an 8 dynamic complex goal,
each dynamic will provide areas of case and somatic conditions that need
to be audited on those dynamics and the ones they interact with.

The guy has a headache? Well which dynamic does he have a headache
on? You get this?

As a child, if the parent fails to properly take responsibility for
his survival, he will first try forthright action to right the wrong,
and failing that will turn to deceits.

Every psychosomatic condition is a deceit of magnitude towards
others and towards himself.

Mock up a God unit lying to itself about why it isn't God.

As an adult, if he is forced to take responsibility for the
survival of others whom he detests, or fails in his endeavors to take
responsibility for the survival of those he adores but feels forced to
by mandate of love or pressure, he will develop INABILITIES to take
responsibility for the survival of others so he doesn't have to or
can't.

HE IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY BY NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY AND/OR
BEING NO LONGER ABLE TO.

In life, every job you will ever do is to take responsibility for
the survival of others, and taking responsibility for the survival of
others is the only thing you will ever get paid for, and the only thing
you will ever pay anyone else for.

If you can't take responsibility for the survival of others, you
will not be able to survive under your own hand.

The ability to take responsibility for the survival of others is
the ONLY reason anyone would ever invest in you in the first place, it
is THEIR return on investment that leads them to take responsibility for
the survival of you.

If you can not take responsibility for the survival of others, the
balance of payments will be out, because other's will still be working
day and night taking responsibility for the survival of you, either
directly or indirectly, whether they or you know it or not, and you will
end up out exchange with the world, namely owing a debt of return,
across all 8 dynamics.

Negative pride along any dynamic means out exchange along that
dynamic which means failures or refusals to take responsibility for the
survival of something or someone along that dynamic or their failures or
refusals to take responsibility for you along that dynamic.

The joke is, this builds up charge because it goes unstated and
unconfessed in specific detail.

Who, who, what, where, when, why, which.

CHARGE RESULTS FROM ROLLING UP IN A BALL AND TRYING TO FORGET THE
FAILURE INSTEAD OF GETTING AND GIVING A FULL CONFESSION OF FAILURES.

CHARGE RESULTS FROM NOT PUTTING IT THERE. The failure, that is.

Get it all out in the open again, and your preclear will see what
he has been doing to himself, perhaps for the first time in trillenia,
and begin to handle these things, rather than turn from them in Q&A into
substitute purposes of sadness and self destruction leading only
downward into permanent darkness and demise.

The being is stuck in a body because of this cycle.

At first he adored and wanted to take responsibility for the
survival of a body.

Then it gets hurt or he hurts it and he considers he has failed.

Then he wants to not take responsibility for the survival of a
body.

Then it gets hurt worse.

Then he feels forced to take responsibility for the survival of a
body because he owes it, that's propitiation.

Then it gets hurt worse.

Then he BECOMES the body to take final responsibility for its
survival forever more through absolute and meticulous control and micro
management of its every move.

This forms a classic dicom stair case that goes as follows:

1.) The Beauty of taking responsibility for the survival of others.

2.) The Ugly of taking responsibility for the survival of others.

3.) The Beauty of NOT taking responsibility for the survival of
others.

4.) The Ugly of NOT taking responsibility for the survival of
others.

At first its beautiful taking responsibility for the survival of
others because he loves them to pieces. Adoration is operation, and
operate them and show them how to operate, he does.

But then they get hurt, so it becomes ugly to take responsibility
for the survival of others, because he still loves them, but doesn't
want to hurt them. He loses trust and confidence in himself, he doesn't
feel like a quality competent being any more, and he thinks he needs to
win back the approval of his peers and other bodies who caution him
against his ways.

So then he gets into the beauty of NOT taking responsibility for
the survival of others, because now he has found reason to detest them.

And then he gets into the ugly of NOT taking responsibility for the
survival of others, because he is alone and can't stand it.

The opposite stair case also applies.

1.) The beauty of having others take responsibility for the
survival of him. Mother is the best mother in the whole world.

2.) The ugly of having others take responsibility for the survival
of him. Mother is a crazed suicidal drunk.

3.) The beauty of having others NOT take responsibility for the
survival of him. What a relief, just go away and leave me alone!

4.) The ugly of having others NOT take responsibility for the
survival of him. I am alone.

I will let you figure out other sashays down that one.

Well aside from getting your preclear to understand all of the
above and start to watch this happening in present time rather than let
it all go to hell on him automatically, how do you audit this?

In general, spot a dynamic, spot a goal, spot when it was stopped
or overrun, clear out all negative postulates, particularly those
pertaining to taking responsibility for the survival of others, and
others taking responsibility for the survival of him and others.

You want the times TAKING RESPONSIBILITY CAME A CROPPER,
AND HE DID NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS FAILURE.

To come a cropper means to fall off the back end of a horse.

Make sure to get the forthright actions he tried at first to right
things, and then the deceits he descended to when they failed.

Each and every failure to pursue his basic goals will run the
emotional curve from forthrightness to covert deceit, even from himself.

He KNOWS about the deceits down deep, he has forgotten about his
courage, decency and forthrightness at every first conflict. Regaining
his awareness of his innate decency (quality) will restore his operating
pride on all 8 dynamics pretty quick.

Every being walking around thinks he is a lying, cheating, thieving
son of a bitch and con on the inside, and he is. But he has lost
contact with how hard he tried to do it right, and the desperation of
love that led him to do it wrong.

Then spend a few hours with the following:

Run,

Get the idea of wanting to take responsibility for the survival of
others.

That's his morning get up and go by the way, it's the DESIRE to
take responsibility for the survival of others that powers him.

No get up and go means no desire to take responsibility for the
survival of others. It is just that simple.

Get the idea of NOT wanting to take responsibility for the survival
of others.

Get the idea of wanting others to take responsibility for the
survival of you.

Get the idea of NOT wanting others to take responsibility for the
survival of you.

If you run into a 'Who me?' case, run it with NO and SOME:

(NO and SOME will run every item under heaven, earth and sky.)

Get the idea of NO desire to take responsibility for the survival
of others.

Get the idea of SOME desire to take responsibility for the survival
of others.

Get the idea of NO desire to NOT take responsibility for the
survival of others.

Get the idea of SOME desire to NOT take responsibility for the
survival of others.

Then,

Get the idea of NO desire that others take responsibility for the
survival of you.

Get the idea of SOME desire that others take responsibility for the
survival of you.

Get the idea of NO desire that others NOT take responsibility for
the survival of you.

Get the idea of SOME desire that others NOT take responsibility for
the survival of you.

You could probably run that at $100/hour on accessible preclears,
those that can cry, and they would be THROWING money (survival) at you.
You better take it too :) or you become part of their case.

The minute an auditor becomes an item to a preclear's process, the
preclear is no longer running with the auditor, the preclear is running
OUT the auditor.

Don't get bogged down in the wording or grammar, a smart preclear
will get it real fast and start running this faster than you can audit.

That's an extra $50/hour to just sit there and ack him.

IF you don't have your preclear bawling his eyes out in a few hours
falling in love with life all over again, and ABLE TO STAND UP AGAIN,
run it on yourself because you ain't helping HIS survival, that's for
sure.

Your preclear will probably run this for the rest of his life, in
and out of session, as he begins his climb back up the dynamics and
starts grabbing hold of some things or some ones he can take
responsibility for the survival of and adore operating them again.

"Adoration is operation of questions and answers with Majesty,
Class and Pride."

"The source of all suffering is the Fair Chosen Adore-Operation of
Cool, Class, Halcyon, Sin-Song, Thrill and Romance, via Living Majestic
Intelligence, and Proud Fancy Free Faithlessness, of Grand and Excalibur
Desire."

From Adore, www.adore.com.

Homer

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Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink
(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
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