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THE WAY OUT IS THE WAY IN

The most powerful truth on the planet is the way to get rid of
something is to perfectly duplicate having made it in the first place,
and then perfectly duplicate how one made it persist after having made
it in the first place.

The way out is the way in.

Practice coming in, puts you out.

"WHO'S WHO IN THE UNIVERSE.

The Creator can become the Creature at will.

The Creature can become the Creator at will.

The way for the Creature to become the Creator is for the
Creature to BE the Creator becoming the Creature.

Practice becoming the Creature is practice being the Creator.

The reason the Creature is not able to become the Creator, is
because the Creature is unwilling to become the Creature.

Dig it and don't leave it."

From ADORE.

Homer

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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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PROVE IT CASES AGAIN

You see if someone comes to me and demands that I demonstrate that *I*
am an OT or have OT powers, then they get the silent treatment, especially
if they show no clue on the issues and consequences of my successfully
putting on such a demonstration.

Believe me, if I could move the marble I would gladly do so to some of
these assholes, just to shut them up. I hate smug meatballs more than
anything, but they are depending on that. They are trying to PROVOKE me.
And their intention is not to gain OT powers themselves but to locate OT's
and schedule the destruction of them and their loved ones.

On the other hand if someone comes to me and begs me to show them that
THEY are an OT and have OT powers, or used to and can again, well then I
let them know my price, at least food for the day you know.

It's so simple really, telling the fools and the trolls from the real
being.

Homer

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DEMONS AND LRH

Demons *LOVE* the idea that LRH turned out an ass backwards overt
product.

Hubbard preached ARC and communication and freedom, and turned
out an army of marching robots.

This tickles the demons pink.

Why?

Because it means no one has to look at the subject any more, let
alone fix it. Its discounted, move on.

Shudder the thought that a demon should ever actually be LOOKED
AT.

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THE PROOF

MCT - 10
29 December 1993

Copyright (C) 1985 Homer Wilson Smith
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1.) L <--> LC or LNC
2.) D and L --> LBLE
3.) LBLE --> not LC
Q.E.D. LC --> not D

Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning with Not
Certainty.

Distance and Learning implies Learning by Looking at Effects.

Learning by Looking at Effects implies Not Learning with
Certainty.

Therefore,

Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but

Not Across a Distance, and

Not by Looking at Effects.

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AUDITING

> Thing I don't like about Auditing: The need of an "Auditor". We
> should not need anyone to "get out" of this Matrix if we came alone to
> this World.

We had help coming in, a thetan can set up anything. Yes he
started off alone, but the first thing he did was call others into the
game, choose up sides, and then jumped into the virtual reality matrix
forgetting he did so.

So if you can reach that decision to come in alone, you can solo
like the wind alone, but if you are into group gropes and games, then
you will want to take the group help approach. Don't let your FAILURES
with groups cause you to avoid creating a new group to help audit you
and them.

If you go out and get beaten to a pulp on the football field, you
do not want to be the doctor as they carry you off the field.

Do you understand this? Let your friends help. And help them
back.

The first intent of a solo session then is to fix where the hell
all our auditing friends are. Don't you see?

Sometimes we can put our selves into positions where only help will
get us out, and sometimes help can't help at all, we are doomed for that
cycle of existence, short or long.

That said, often we do not need help, if we bow and pray to the god
of necessity level.

LRH said "Those below 2.0 on the tone scale can't be helped, those
above 2.0 don't need help BUT CAN USE IT."

The first thing anyone who wants to build a civilization will do if
he finds himself alone, is to find or CREATE help!

More importantly who or what do YOU want to help?

Help is merely team work, that's all. If you have to go solo do
it, there may not be any help around.

But solo is a top down approach to the problem.

"Get the idea of a total cause making itself an 'unfixable'
effect."

E/P of each session is 'Oh that looks like fun!'

Help is a bottom up approach to the problem.

"Who or what is cause around here, and why is it such an asshole?"

E/P of each session is "Oh, its me again (sheepish grin)"

Running engrams per se is a bottom up approach BECAUSE the preclear
isn't able to put them there in the first place.

So the auditor says 'Locate, go to, move through, what happened'
and the preclear will find suddenly the engram running him, HE isn't
doing anything, the BANK is, and the engrams, moving pictures etc, just
run on their own at the behest of the auditor, and the preclear reports,
just like watching a film that beats him up while he is watching it.

THE AUDITOR RUNS THE PRECLEAR through the engram until its power is
gone and the preclear is relieved of life running him through his
engrams willy nilly. Get it?

If the preclear is trying to find the engram and move himself
through it, he's wasting his time and is out of session. The AUDITOR
controls the session.

The preclear trying to find an engram and push himself through it
is actually doing this from the valence of another engram! Thus he
restims himself more than he might erase.

Real engrams run themselves, they turn on out of the blue, and run
to the end, then with the mildest coaxing, they do it again, and again,
and each time less and less and the no more, you couldn't ressurect the
thing if you wanted to.

Further most engrams are not the preclear's own incidents, so when
they turn on, he has never seen them before!

"Whoa that was cool, where did that come from?"

The out of session preclear will be using other ENGRAMS to find and
run engrams, so he restimulates himself more than he runs!

Same for being a solo auditor trying to run engrams on himself.

Now most of solo auditing is not auditing yourself, that is self
auditing. Solo auditing means auditing clusters, BT's, entities,
demons, deities, monsters, and others in general.

Almost always auditing is auditing OTHERS.

So you are either being helped, or you are helping others, there
really is not too much way around it except as necessity level demands
otherwise.

Alone?

Solo audit in the direction of becoming unalone! Then go dual.

You see right now you want help, but in truth right now there is
someone you want to help more than anything, even more than you want
help yourself. So the help you want is the ability to help these others
who you got your attention on, even if they are 9 universes over to the
left and behind you by 50,000 years.

So yes you may need to help yourself, and there may be no one
around to help you, but you would prefer to be helped if it were
available and the return on investment were positive, and the instant
you got even a little better you would be off helping these others you
love that are in worse trouble than you.

If you could audit the people you want to help, you wouldn't have a
second left in eternity to audit yourself.

So really you have to make a decision.

WHY do you want to do it solo, rather than dual?

What exactly is the problem?

Scarcity of good safe spaces provided by others?

Can't train them to audit you?

Can't trust no one to keep their mouths shut and provide a safe
space?

Live on a deserted island?

Last person on earth?

Or do you have a problem with HELP?

Wouldn't that problem with help then be the first address of some
serious solo auditing so you COULD, create or train at least some help?

"Get the idea of NO positive help."

"Get the idea of SOME positive help."

Then once you have run this on yourself, go find someone else to
run it on, don't you see? Then get them to run more of it on you etc.

Bring the scene from one way solo communication up to crackling two
way communication with another.

Then who is going to C/S you or the others you got to audit you?

Can you come up with a basic C/S of your own?

You have a problem.

You are dissatisfied with your present condition.

OK, you may have some idea of what an ideal scene might be for
yourself, in the way of abilities, involvement or engagement in life
action games, etc.

ORIGINAL GOALS AND PURPOSES TO COMING INTO MANIFESTATION!

So once you spot the problem and the anatomy, in yourself and in
others, you then have to figure out an approach.

That approach then becomes your C/S.

Actually the full C/S encompasses all three phases.

Spot the situation (furthest departure from an ideal scene on 8
dynamics), spot the anatomy, spot the approach.

Run it!

"Get the idea of NO situation.
Get the idea of SOME situation.

Get the idea of NO ideal scene.
Get the idea of SOME ideal scene.

Get the idea of NO anatomy.
Get the idea of SOME anatomy.

Get the idea of NO approach.
Get the idea of SOME approach."

You run it, see if it works, if not you go back to the
anatomy/approach phase, or redfine or respot a new situation, and start
over again.

It won't be the stupid stuff you think life is about.

I ran into an old girl friend today.

My first thought was a 20 pound tarantula with an ice pick
through its head.

No, look beyond.

Eventually you find something that bites, TA goes wild, sense of
life purpose comes back, sorrows and laughters turn on full force, you
can hate and live again freely, and dive gaily into the oceans of fear,
YOU CAN WRAP YOUR FRIENDS UP, make them laugh and cry too as their
problems blow up into dust in the wind, then you got what you wanted.

You begin to LIKE tarantuals, feel honored to be in their presence.

You got your case gain, and you can give and receive case gain to
others too.

That state has a name by the way, and its WAY above clear.

It's called StarDrive.

What else is there to want really, beyond playing a new game that
isn't case gain related.

Case gain is fix and repair, who wants to do that forever? So once
your life is fixed and repaired, you and your buddies can get together
and go out and adorn yourselves in brand new ruin, disaster,
catastrophe, destruction and devastation all over again!

Life is repair is attained simply and only when you are too busy
living to care, want or pay attention to wanting to repair any part of
it.

That's usually when you have remade your team and you are all out
playing a difficult and dangerous (spelled fun) game fighting whatever
it is you want to fight, or putting new things there against the will of
time and the universe to crush you and yours out of existence.

Then you all come in covered in the mud, the blood and beer, and
you get some auditing again, and then go out and REALLY cause some
trouble!

Get the idea of what cyclical eternity can be like?

So say you had someone across the table from you, just Joe Blow
random person not doing so well in life, what would be the first thing
you would do with him. Say 20 sessions, 1 to 1 and half hours per
session, and each session Joe Blow is getting more and more interested
in his case and talking to you about it, and he keeps bringing you 50
dollar bills to pay you for your time.

He feels sheepish 50 is so little.

You would have a successful practice and you wouldn't be needing
too much auditing because your solo would go along quite fine auditing
Joe Blow, just in the back ground for your own case gain.

Situation, idea scene, anatomy and approach.

That's all you would have to audit.

And that's just HELP.

Remember the big 6 are

WILLINGNESS
CHANGE
HELP
PROBLEMS
CREATION
RESPONSIBILITY (putting it there).

Not everyone can be an auditor today, some people NEED help, but if
you are an auditor and you are auditing others who need you, I assure
you your own case doesn't stand a chance. Forget reading wise people,
the wisest person is the case in front of you, watch the cogs YOU get
watching HIS case unravel.

That person is God incarnation playing dog pc, and he came to YOU
to get auditing.

What did you do to become so lucky?

So where do you start?

Is there a problem?

WHAT IS IT?

Forget "what" questions, run "Get the idea of exclusively."

What is the furthest departure from an ideal scene in your life on
all 8 dynamics?

That's the SIT.

Finding that is worth 50 bucks right there if you get it right.

What is the anatomy of that problem?

What is the opposite of that SIT, the ideal scene?

What approach would you take if it were someone else's problem?

You got 8 dynamics, self, family, groups, mankind, biological life,
spirit and the infinite.

Find the sit on all of then, and go with the one with the greatest
VGI's and promise of future pleasure.

Solo is basically what you should do auditing OTHERS.

Conception is CAUSAL, a God in carnation creates in the mere
conception of things.

Thus never run anything but causal conception in trying to help
another through the staircase of sit, ideal scene, anatomy and approach.

If you were auditing others full time successfully from YOUR OWN
understandings, you wouldn't be worried about your own case beyond maybe
jumping in to the pants of your preclears.

Homer

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AUDITING

> Thing I don't like about Auditing: The need of an "Auditor". We
> should not need anyone to "get out" of this Matrix if came alone to
> this World.

We had help coming in, a thetan can set up anything. Yes he
started off alone, but the first thing he did was call others into the
game, chose up sides, and then jumped into the virtual reality matrix
forgetting he did so.

So if you can reach that decision to come in alone, you can solo
like the wind alone, but if you are into group gropes and games, then
you will want to take the group help approach. Don't let your FAILURES
with groups cause you to avoid creating a new group to help audit you
and them.

If you go out and get beaten to a pulp on the football field, you
do not want to be the doctor as they carry you off the field.

Do you understand this? Let your friends help. And help them
back.

The first intent of a solo session then is to fix where the hell
all our auditing friends are. Don't you see?

Sometimes we can put our selves into positions where only help will
get us out, and sometimes help can't help at all, we are doomed for that
cycle of existence, short or long.

That said, often we do not need help, if we bow and pray to the god
of necessity level.

LRH said "Those below 2.0 on the tone scale can't be helped, those
above 2.0 don't need help BUT CAN USE IT."

The first thing anyone who wants to build a civilization will do if
he finds himself alone, is to find or CREATE help!

More importantly who or what do YOU want to help?

Help is merely team work, that's all. If you have to go solo do
it, there may not be any help around.

But solo is a top down approach to the problem.

"Get the idea of a total cause making itself an 'unfixable'
effect."

E/P of each session is 'Oh that looks like fun!'

Help is a bottom up approach to the problem.

"Who or what is cause around here, and why is it such an asshole?"

E/P of each session is "Oh, its me again (sheepish grin)"

Running engrams per se is a bottom up approach BECAUSE the preclear
isn't able to put them there in the first place.

So the auditor says 'Locate, go to, move through, what happened'
and the preclear will find suddenly the engram running him, HE isn't
doing anything, the BANK is, and the engrams, moving pictures etc, just
run on their own at the behest of the auditor, and the preclear reports,
just like watching a film that beats him up while he is watching it.

THE AUDITOR RUNS THE PRECLEAR through the engram until its power is
gone and the preclear is relieved of life running him through his
engrams willy nilly. Get it?

If the preclear is trying to find the engram and move himself
through it, he's wasting his time and is out of session. The AUDITOR
controls the session.

The preclear trying to find an engram and push himself through it
is actually doing this from the valence of another engram! Thus he
restims himself more than he might erase.

Real engrams run themselves, they turn on out of the blue, and run
to the end, then with the mildest coaxing, they do it again, and again,
and each time less and less and the no more, you couldn't ressurect the
thing if you wanted to.

Further most engrams are not the preclear's own incidents, so when
they turn on, he has never seen them before!

"Whoa that was cool, where did that come from?"

The out of session preclear will be using other ENGRAMS to find and
run engrams, so he restimulates himself more than he runs!

Same for being a solo auditor trying to run engrams on himself.

Now most of solo auditing is not auditing yourself, that is self
auditing. Solo auditing means auditing clusters, BT's, entities,
demons, deities, monsters, and others in general.

Almost always auditing is auditing OTHERS.

So you are either being helped, or you are helping others, there
really is not too much way around it except as necessity level demands
otherwise.

Alone?

Solo audit in the direction of becoming unalone! Then go dual.

You see right now you want help, but in truth right now there is
someone you want to help more than anything, even more than you want
help yourself. So the help you want is the ability to help these others
who you got your attention on, even if they are 9 universes over to the
left and behind you by 50,000 years.

So yes you may need to help yourself, and there may be no one
around to help you, but you would prefer to be helped if it were
available and the return on investment were positive, and the instant
you got even a little better you would be off helping these others you
love that are in worse trouble than you.

If you could audit the people you want to help, you wouldn't have a
second left in eternity to audit yourself.

So really you have to make a decision.

WHY do you want to do it solo, rather than dual?

What exactly is the problem?

Scarcity of good safe spaces provided by others?

Can't train them to audit you?

Can't trust no one to keep their mouths shut and provide a safe
space?

Live on a deserted island?

Last person on earth?

Or do you have a problem with HELP?

Wouldn't that problem with help then be the first address of some
serious solo auditing so you COULD, create or train at least some help?

"Get the idea of NO positive help."

"Get the idea of SOME positive help."

Then once you have run this on yourself, go find someone else to
run it on, don't you see? Then get them to run more of it on you etc.

Bring the scene from one way solo communication up to crackling two
way communication with another.

Then who is going to C/S you or the others you got to audit you?

Can you come up with a basic C/S of your own?

You have a problem.

You are dissatisfied with your present condition.

OK, you may have some idea of what an ideal scene might be for
yourself, in the way of abilities, involvement or engagement in life
action games, etc.

ORIGINAL GOALS AND PURPOSES TO COMING INTO MANIFESTATION!

So once you spot the problem and the anatomy, in yourself and in
others, you then have to figure out an approach.

That approach then becomes your C/S.

Actually the full C/S encompasses all three phases.

Spot the situation (furthest departure from an ideal scene on 8
dynamics), spot the anatomy, spot the approach.

Run it!

"Get the idea of NO situation.
Get the idea of SOME situation.

Get the idea of NO ideal scene.
Get the idea of SOME ideal scene.

Get the idea of NO anatomy.
Get the idea of SOME anatomy.

Get the idea of NO approach.
Get the idea of SOME approach."

You run it, see if it works, if not you go back to the
anatomy/approach phase, or redfine or respot a new situation, and start
over again.

It won't be the stupid stuff you think life is about.

I ran into an old girl friend today.

My first thought was a 20 pound tarantula with an ice pick
through its head.

No, look beyond.

Eventually you find something that bites, TA goes wild, sense of
life purpose comes back, sorrows and laughters turn on full force, you
can hate and live again freely, and dive gaily into the oceans of fear,
YOU CAN WRAP YOUR FRIENDS UP, make them laugh and cry too as their
problems blow up into dust in the wind, then you got what you wanted.

You begin to LIKE tarantuals, feel honored to be in their presence.

You got your case gain, and you can give and receive case gain to
others too.

That state has a name by the way, and its WAY above clear.

It's called StarDrive.

What else is there to want really, beyond playing a new game that
isn't case gain related.

Case gain is fix and repair, who wants to do that forever? So once
your life is fixed and repaired, you and your buddies can get together
and go out and adorn yourselves in brand new ruin, disaster,
catastrophe, destruction and devastation all over again!

Life is repair is attained simply and only when you are too busy
living to care, want or pay attention to wanting to repair any part of
it.

That's usually when you have remade your team and you are all out
playing a difficult and dangerous (spelled fun) game fighting whatever
it is you want to fight, or putting new things there against the will of
time and the universe to crush you and yours out of existence.

Then you all come in covered in the mud, the blood and beer, and
you get some auditing again, and then go out and REALLY cause some
trouble!

Get the idea of what cyclical eternity can be like?

So say you had someone across the table from you, just Joe Blow
random person not doing so well in life, what would be the first thing
you would do with him. Say 20 sessions, 1 to 1 and half hours per
session, and each session Joe Blow is getting more and more interested
in his case and talking to you about it, and he keeps bringing you 50
dollar bills to pay you for your time.

He feels sheepish 50 is so little.

You would have a successful practice and you wouldn't be needing
too much auditing because your solo would go along quite fine auditing
Joe Blow, just in the back ground for your own case gain.

Situation, idea scene, anatomy and approach.

That's all you would have to audit.

And that's just HELP.

Remember the big 6 are

WILLINGNESS
CHANGE
HELP
PROBLEMS
CREATION
RESPONSIBILITY (putting it there).

Not everyone can be an auditor today, some people NEED help, but if
you are an auditor and you are auditing others who need you, I assure
you your own case doesn't stand a chance. Forget reading wise people,
the wisest person is the case in front of you, watch the cogs YOU get
watching HIS case unravel.

That person is God incarnation playing dog pc, and he came to YOU
to get auditing.

What did you do to become so lucky?

So where do you start?

Is there a problem?

WHAT IS IT?

Forget "what" questions, run "Get the idea of exclusively."

What is the furthest departure from an ideal scene in your life on
all 8 dynamics?

That's the SIT.

Finding that is worth 50 bucks right there if you get it right.

What is the anatomy of that problem?

What is the opposite of that SIT, the ideal scene?

What approach would you take if it were someone else's problem?

You got 8 dynamics, self, family, groups, mankind, biological life,
spirit and the infinite.

Find the sit on all of then, and go with the one with the greatest
VGI's and promise of future pleasure.

Solo is basically what you should do auditing OTHERS.

Conception is CAUSAL, a God in carnation creates in the mere
conception of things.

Thus never run anything but causal conception in trying to help
another through the staircase of sit, ideal scene, anatomy and approach.

If you were auditing others full time successfully from YOUR OWN
understandings, you wouldn't be worried about your own case beyond maybe
jumping in to the pants of your preclears.

Homer
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> On the other hand, you gave that reality is zero
> dimension etc. Are you saying that there is an
> absolute source to things?
> Is there anything that is apart from self?
> Is there anything that can be equated with self?

"The existence of a fundamental operating actuality is self evident."

What the nature of the actuality is, is not necessarily self evident.

Run

"Do you doubt?"
"Do you doubt that you doubt?"

until you attain absolute certainty that you do in fact doubt,
and do not doubt that you doubt.

Therefore something exists, as a nothing could not wonder
whether it was a something or a nothing.

All that we are conscious of is part of the dream of The Dreamer.

It shows a virtual world of space, time, form and event to our
conscious eye, things of dimension and compoundness. However it is
generally conceeded that the source of all this does not itself
have these qualities, in other words source sources what source
is not.

Truth projects lies.

Whether we can ultimately know about the absolute "What IS" that
projects all this relative projection is different from whether
there is such an absolute. The dream is actual, even if it is
a dream of lies, and the source of the dream must therefore be
actual.

Above all that, questioning is the primary dramatization, because
truth, knowledge and answers are the closest to home.

The trick to enlightenment is to operate the question without
trying to get the answer. DO the efforts of the question, but not to
attain the answer. This runs out the question, and what is left is
the original Truth before the question which will appear when the
question is run out.

This is what Hubbard means when he says that the exact answer to
the question is the question. When you find the question you have
been asking in all seriousness these many millions of years, you will
spot that the effort to get the answer BY asking a question is silly
and let it go. At that point you can run the question AS a question
not as an effort to get an answer, and the masses enmired in the
question will blow off, leaving the original pristine state of
knowledge.

That original state may not be of the answer you sought in the
question, but it will be an earlier Truth that makes the answer you
sought irrelevant.

Adore says "The exact attitude with which you approach asking a
question determines whether or not you get an answer.

The correct attitude is Omni Sovereignty."

Omni Sovereignty is not "I don't know and therefore I must find
out".

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SCIENTOLOGY WOG

Defn: Scientology Wog: A person who has been in the Church of
Scientology so long they are no longer able to operate on any dynamic in
the real world.

Homer

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MOCKUPS

Suppose I grab a red plastic ball and put it on a table and sit
down to observe it.

I see a red plastic ball.

Then I mockup an identical red plastic ball right next to it, to a
point where I can not tell the difference between them from the visual
experience.

Now the first ball is made of plastic.

What is the second ball made of? Well there is no second ball you
see, only my mockup of it.

In both cases I have a mockup of the ball, but in only one case is
a plastic ball there.

My mockup of either ball certainly is not made of plastic.

What are mockups made of? Let's call it rettam (REE-TAM), to
distinguish it from physical matter.

The two mockups of rettam are both actual objects, albeit conscious
objects that only I can see, not physical universe objects.

One of my rettam mockups overlays a matter plastic ball in space
and the other doesn't. The plastic ball is a DIFFERENT object than
either of my two mockups.

My two mockups made of rettam have various qualities, they are red,
they are spherical and they are 'out there'.

The plastic ball that is on the table is also an actual object with
its own qualities. It too is spherical, 'out there,' but it is not red,
as redness is a quality of rettam not of matter, but the ball is made of
plastic which is a quality of matter and not of rettam.

The red quality of my mockup is used to refer to another quality
the matter ball has which is reflecting light of 5000 angstroms
wavelength.

My mockup made of rettam doesn't not reflect any light and itself
does not need any light in order to be seen, it is self luminous.

So we have two very different objects, made of different materials,
with differing qualities where the rettam one is used to refer to the
matter one.

Now take a sleep dream. Again the red ball is on the table and I
am sitting observing it.

The dream as a whole is made of rettam, and the red self luminous
ball sits on the table without any plastic matter ball referent that
existed in the waking state.

Again I can mockup a second red ball next to the first one, and
both are made of rettam, and neither have a matter ball acting as
referent.

If I don't know I am dreaming, I may believe the matter ball
referent exists too, but if I know I am dreaming, I realize that only
red balls made of rettam exist in this dream.

Now in the dream if I turn off the lights, the dream may go dark,
but it just as easily may not go dark at all.

Have you ever had a dream where you turned off the desk light and
the light turned off but the desk and the room remained lit?

So what lights the room in a dream?

Certainly not the light bulb on the desk in the dream.

The dream lights itself, rettam is *SELF LUMINOUS*.

No part of rettam ever lights any other part of rettam.

In a dream, if there is a light on the desk and the light is on,
that's cool, but irrelevant to why the dream is lit up.

That is very different than matter, which always needs some other
kind of matter, namely light waves, to illuminate it.

There is the issue of whether the waking world is a dream or not.

The meatballs say it isn't a dream, and the dreamballs say it is.

By dream we mean that pictures made of rettam exist of the world,
but although the illusion is very strong, there are no objects made of
matter underlying the rettam projections.

That is quite absurd you say, ok maybe it is, but we need to study
the possibility.

One argument against the dreamball theory is that without having
been impinged upon by a red ball in the matter world, the conscious mind
would never have known what a red ball would look like, and thus could
never have dreamed one up.

We find this argument lacking as it implies that God, the Supreme
Consciousness, could never have created a world without first having
been impinged upon by that world to know what a world would look like.

Now admittedly there may not be a God, the world may have arisen
out of the background atomic soup that pervades all of prior existence,
but then we have to admit that the world could arise without itself
knowing what a world was before it arose.

If we admit therefore that things can arise without knowing before
hand what such a thing might be, we must admit that whether the world
arose by mathematical necessity from 'mud' or by sentient invention from
the mind of God, it doesn't make much difference, neither knew before
hand what a world might be like until it was first created of mud or
conceived of in the mind of God.

Thus if God can create things without first having had them impinge
on Him, surely the Conscious Unit, which is an 'I' of God, can do the
same thing.

Thus the mere existence of objects (mockups) in rettam do not prove
the existance of objects in matter.

Another argument against the dreamball theory asserts that without
matter, there would be no base to create or hold the process of
consciousness. In other words first there must be matter, before there
can be rettam.

This theory states that consciousness arose out of matter, and in
fact is merely a process in matter. Once the matter is busted apart or
destroyed, the process of consciousness goes with it, and thus we are
mortal and had no prior existence to the present process of matter that
supports our conscious existence, and will have no later existence once
the present process of matter (in our brain) is gone.

First the assertion that consciousness is MERELY a process in
matter is untrue, consciousness is its own thing quite apart from any
process in matter. One has to know the proof to see this, but that will
come.

Thus at worst consciousness is its own process that is connected to
or interfaced with the process of matter (the brain).

It is true that when we poke at the brain we can affect our
consciousness, but this does not prove that consciousness can not exist
independent of the brain and is only temporally connected to the brain
for a while.

Heresay evidence indicates that the consciousness can leave the
brain and see the world anyhow without eyes or lens or lightwaves,
through a process more related to the nature of rettam than to matter
mechanics, so one needs to pursue the possibility of this further to see
what might account for it.

It is possible that if the consciousness can see the world without
the brain, that it is in fact seeing the world without the brain even
while occupying a brain, even though it does seem to limit itself to
seeing what the brain can see at any time.

For example if you close your eyes, the brain can not see any more,
and so neither can the consciousness.

It is tempting to say therefore the consciousness is getting its
data of what to see FROM the brain, but it may be seeing by a parallel
rettam path to the world that is independantly and arbitirarly throttled
to match what the brain is seeing from the matter world.

One might be tempted to say, but this is absurd, 'Man as a fallen
angle would be ludicrous!' (Man and His Gods, Homer William Smith)

The world is much too serious a place for God to be playing jokes
of this magnitude on his creatures.

Yes Daddy, but God might be playing these jokes on Himself.

Homer

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SCIENTOLOGY GRADE III Part III AESTHETICS OF CAUSE

SCIENTOLOGY GRADE III Part I
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AUDITING

The stupidest process in Hubbard's scientology is

"Conceive a static."

He says its brutal because it is, it is impossible.

Just as Hubbard says that other religions are 'booby trapped', this
process is one of Scientology's booby traps, created with intentional
knowing willing cause with full awareness of the consequences, namely
crashed cases.

Such booby traps cause persistence and thus guarantee that
Scientology will stay around for a while.

They are about as useful to Scientology as death is to life.

CONCEIVE A STATIC

A static operates by conceiving a kinetic, and creates kinetics in
the mere conception of things.

A static CAN NOT CONCEIVE A STATIC!

A static can't create a static.

So don't run it or die.

A kinetic can't conceive a static either,

Mostly because kinetics can't conceive anything, only statics can,
and in any case the static would have to conceive the kinetic first
before the kinetic could even try to conceive a static.

A static is a NO CONCEPTION.

A kinetic is a SOME CONCEPTION.

Get it?

Since the static itself is the absolute unmanifest state of no
created kinetics, or conceived anythings, the static can not conceive of
a NO ELEPHANT without creating it first in order to vanish it.

The way a static gets rid of a conceived elephant is NOT by trying
to conceive of a NO ELEPHANT, but to completely stop conceiving of a
SOME ELEPHANT.

Conception of anything can never get rid of conception of anything.

You don't get a being to conceive a nothing, by telling him to not
conceive a something.

And you can never get rid of a persisting conception of anything by
conceiving of something else.

Only the cessation of conception can get rid of a conception.

Capiche toi?

A being however can BE and OPERATE the static by conceiving a
kinetic.

Note a being IS the static whether or not he operates the static
at all.

He operates the static by conceiving kinetics.

Should your preclear ever cease operating the static, he would
never know it, as the static is the Big Snooze, it preceeds all
consciousness and awareness of anything conceived.

The static is awareness of nothing, minus the awareness of nothing
:)

So if you want to have a lot of fun run "Conceive something."

CONCEIVE SOMETHING

Word clear the hell out of SOMETHING first, we aren't just talking
about physical objects, something covers everything and anything.

If a person has a sore throat, run on him

"Conceive a sore throat. Thank you.

Conceive a horse. Thank you,

Conceive a sore throat. Thank you.

Conceive a polka dot galaxy. Thank you. etc"

An hour of that might cure the dead.

This works well on acute somatics, it will take many sessions to
start opening up the service fac chain which is a MOUNTAIN of pain and
force held in place PURPOSEFULLY by a computation.

All the pain in your space is the same chain, you will need to find
the purpose and the computation, but a lot of running conceive the pain,
purpose and computation will 'lay bare at least part of the chain.'

Use model session II.

MODEL SESSION II
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/homer/ador1011.memo

Have him conceive what he is already conceiving, the sore throat,
then have him conceive something that YOU are conceiving, preferably as
far away from a sore throat as possible.

This puts his mind on and off the sore throat.

If you are doing well yourself, simply run it solo with 'Conceive
something'.

Each command in a totally new unit of time.

Remember the being CREATES in the mere conception of things so
watch it! :)

This can get you to the center of your bank and the beginning of
time at First Postulate 0 faster than you might care to deal with it.

PERSISTENCE

The preclear is a total knowingness, he knows how to create and
make things persist.

He does NOT know what WILL BE created, he doesn't know every digit
of PI.

And he certainly doesn't conceive of things and THEN create them,
after due consideration and approval of what he conceived.

That's for the walking dead down at the bottom of time and chase.

He creates in the mere conception of things.

Work it out what would happen from there, from first conception on.

PERSISTENCE

He is stuck in a mechanism of persistence that he himself conceived
into existence but which is also fundamental to his nature.

He has to conceive it first before he can use it though.

So at all times he knows what he is doing.

Thus at all times Justice reigns, because Justice is "you get what
you conceive."

He uses this mechanism of persistence to make all kinds of things
persist that are undesirable and out of affinity for him.

Death, damnation, disease, disaster etc.

Games in other words. Games he can lose.

What would Shakespeare have done without the slings and arrows of
outrageous fortune?

Adore says the outrageousness of the mechanics of learning matches
the outrageousness of what we have learned. - Adore.com

And so it is, because the more the being learns FALSE reasons why
things persist, the more they persist.

But the MECHANISM of persistence itself is a high affinity
mechanism, he LOVES it, but as long as he is hiding it from himself, he
can't see how he is causing anything to persist, and thus detests all of
existence from top to bottom including pleasure and himself.

THE MECHANISM

The only thing that can cause persistence is a second postulate
that is a lie, yet continues the repostulation of the first postulate.

The first postulate is 'It IS".

A second postulate might be a question 'Why is it?"

A third postulate might be "What should I DO about it?"

Figure out for yourself how 'Why is it?' would cause an automatic
persistence by continuously repostulating the original IT IS
automatically.

OK, I will help you.

"Why is it?

Say IT IS. Say why?
Say IT IS. Say why?

Some people are so stupid they can't do the wrong thing twice." -
Adore.com

Thus all of persistence is the result of conceiving of something,
and then conceiving that one must conceive MORE to get rid of the first
conception.

Getting rid of A by creating B never works, period.

That's the joke.

Question asking betrays us.

Now here is a really powerful mind blower.

PUTTING IT THERE

The term TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY normally means

1.) to own up to having caused something (notice past tense), or

2.) adding one's cause into a preexisting situation that one did
not cause, to improve on it, to take control OVER it and thus BECOME
responsible for what happens.

See, this is all past and future nonsense.

To TAKE RESPONSIBILITY in the meaning of Advanced Procedure and
Axioms, means TO TAKE IT!

"It's MINE!"

It doesn't matter who originally created it. Or when.

It only matters that you, right now, conceive that you ARE PUTTING
IT THERE, RIGHT NOW.

You take responsibility over anything that IS by simply conceiving
that particular IS exactly as it is, and not adding any more
significance to it,

Added significances are things like you must do something about it,
or shame, blame, regret or guilt about it.

Conception without added significance opens the door for the
healing aesthetic light of causation to shine upon it and allow it to
vanish once you see it is 'good' and get distracted from putting it
there.

WHO PUT IT THERE

So here is the process, sit down at a table with your preclear and
put an object on the table like a glass or Rubic's cube.

Make sure the preclear sees you PUT IT THERE.

Then ask the preclear who put it there?

He says well you did of course.

So you tell him to pick it up and put it back on the table
somewhere.

Then "Who put it there?"

He says, "Well I did."

Run this to a win and he fully gets what it means to put it there.

Then change the process.

Now you put it there like before, and ask him who put it there, and
he says you put it there.

Then you tell him 'Ok now put it exactly where it already is
without touching it.'

He looks at you confused, and you say good, who put it there?

He has to come to see that HE put it there, because he had the
opportunity to move it, but didn't SO HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT BEING
THERE.

IT IS STILL THERE BECAUSE OF HIM, REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING IN THE
PAST OF HIM.

Run that until the preclear sees without question and total clarity
that he is putting anything there that he can see or conceive no matter
how it originally 'got there'.

When he can start doing this to EVERYTHING he experiences,
considering it his conception, he will start doing it with bank
phenomenon when they turn on, pains, emotions, memories, upsets etc.

And rather than get into a Q&A with the somatic or feeling, namely
question asking, who put it there, where did this come from, why is it,
what's it for, what use is it, who does it belong to, what should I do
about it?" he will simply put it there.

The bank tosses him a ball, and rather than run with it, on a gotta
DO something about it basis to handle it, he just holds the ball as if
he is creating it in the now and hasn't a clue what a ball is for.

At that point the bank phenomenon will start to unravel and the
entire wake he is leaving behind him through life by reacting to life
while traveling through it, will start to change until he leaves no
negative wake behind him at all.

And that is as clear as clear comes.

UPSETS

The point is while listing for his Grade III upsets, you need to
get him to TAKE responsibility for whatever it is, no matter how
detested and sad, along the lines of,

"Conceive something detested. Good!

Conceive a flower. Thankyou."

You do not want "Conceive of HAVING PUT IT THERE"

Oh no, that's wrong and deadly.

You want 'Conceive of PUTTING IT THERE!'

You do not want "What is it, who put it there, what use is it, what
are you going to do about it, what's it made of, where did it come from,
how much can I get for it on the Japanese market, etc"

Just simply total tone 40 no effort 'PUT IT THERE'.

"You see that cat over there? Good. Put it there. Thank you."

You see, someone who is doing this 24x7 every day is not the same
as a human being reacting 24x7 to everything with question asking and
problem solving by trying to conceiving B to solve conception A.

And eventually the guy will run into his ruin, the thing he just
couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't put there.

You will know it when it happens.

You will need a crow bar to open his eyes just to look at it, and
he will be blubbering and begging for his last rites RIGHT NOW, because
he KNOWS he isn't going to survive in a Cosmic All with this thing so
close to him.

Hell, it could be on the other side of the Cosmic All and still
be too close for him.

You had better know how to audit at that point.

E/P awareness of the aesthetic of Cause, and ability to Uncause.

Homer

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SCIENTOLOGY GRADE III PART II, TWO OT's

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SCIENTOLOGY GRADE III Part II

SCIENTOLOGY GRADE III Part I
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/homer/ador1047.memo


TWO OT's

So say OT A does something terrible to OT B.

OT A has the CAUSAL postulate "I have done you in."

OT B has the CAUSAL postulate "You have done me in."

These two postulates lock up with each other due to agreement and
zero responsibility on the part of either of them, to produce a
persisting situation of

1.) damage to OT B,

2.) blame of OT A by OT B for the damage done, and

3.) regret of OT A about doing damage to OT B.

OT A considers HE is responsible for the damage, that OT B had
zero responsibility for letting OT A into OT B's world.

OT B considers OT A is responsible for his damage, that he had zero
responsibility for letting OT A into OT B's world.

Total agreement on zero responsibility and two strikes and you are
out.

So both OT A and OT B have a persisting upset about each other.

OT A is upset with himself, and OT B is upset with OT A.

This lock down of upsets creates a hell forever for both OT A and
OT B.

For OT A that hell consists of regret forever and hatred of
himself.

For OT B that hell consists of hatred of OT A forever.

These forevers are in time, which is what makes the joke so heavy
and so ludicrous, because no one is at time = 0 any more.

So an auditor comes a long and grabs OT A by the neck and puts him
in the chair and runs Hubbard's Black V process, modified by the need of
the moment.

"What part of this could you take FULL pan determined
responsibility for?"

Figure out some way to run this without what questions unless the
preclear can answer them.

Pan determined means causing both sides of a game, like playing
chess against yourself because you can't get a date.

"What part of this could you allow OT B to take FULL pan determined
responsibility for?"

Now you have two OT's playing both sides of the SAME chess game.

You see pandeterminism isn't just a matter of causing both sides of
the game, it is also a matter of WILLINGNESS to have caused, and let the
other guy also have caused, it doesn't matter at all WHO caused it
originally.

Originally, in this case, means time NOT equal to zero, because
originally implies the consideration that the persisting problem was
caused IN THE PAST.

Time 0 is always NOW, regardless of how 'long ago' something was
originally created in its original time = 0.

If you think time = 0 was a million years ago, then you will be
looking for time = 0 in your facsimiles of back then, rather than at
time = 0 NOW.

That is in part why auditing the past via facsimiles is a waste of
time = 0, and auditing fails or is limited at best.

You don't want to know what he DID, you want to know what he is
DOING, which is mostly mucking around with facsimiles NOW of what he
DID!

He is not suffering from what he DID, he is suffering from his
facsimiles NOW of what he did, everyone of which has a wrong time tab on
it because its not time = 0 NOW.

Facsimiles give the illusion that the correct time = 0 for any
creation is in the past!

Ransacking facsimiles gives you a face full of ransacked
facsimilies.

That's cool if you want to impress your girlfriend with it and gain
her sympathy.

If you want to as-is your facsimile time track, spot its creation,
its moment of time = 0, in the NOW.

It's right there in front of you nose, just LOOK for it in the
operation of it.

It may take a bit to be there when it most needs for you to be
there to as-is it, but that's better than being stuck with it forever
trying to date and locate it.

The creation of the time track is not recorded in the time track!

And so we have willingness at the bottom of the auditing stack, and
the result of cleared willingness which is change.

1.) RESPONSIBILITY
2.) CREATION
3.) PROBLEMS
4.) HELP (audit this stack)
5.) CHANGE (postulate lockups come apart)
6.) WILLINGNESS (to be cause and have others be cause)

Audit from the bottom up.

Grade III clears willingness, willingess to face the eternal
future.

Anyone can jump in the seat of a run away car, grab the steering
wheel, and bring it to a controlled halt.

It just doesn't matter who started it, and asking that question is
a waste of time not equal to 0.

If YOU recreate time = 0, well you ARE STARTING IT, present time =
0, and when you let go of it, its gone as if never created, no memory,
no lessons learned, no must not happen again, no being careful next
time, no warning/punishing others, no being leary of being cause or
allowing others to be cause.

Running full responsibility, suddenly OT A is looking at time = 0
when he let OT B into his world and OT B let OT A into his world.

AND THEY SHOOK HANDS AND UNANIMOUSLY INVITED EACH OTHER IN AND
AGREED TO BE IN EACH OTHER'S WORLD.

An invite is an as-isness of the time = 0 postulate to put
something there and/or to consider that a particular posted thing can be
cause over some other posted thing and visa versa.

Without invite nothing can be created at all, for invite is the
invite for the created thing TO BE THERE.

That's called 'putting it there' or posting it there.

Once invited to be there a loss of direct awareness of that invite
by considering now is a different moment of time later, will cause
anything to persist forever.

This is not magic, persistence of postulate A is caused by a second
postulate B that one must postulate MORE in order to vanish postulate A.

So chasing postulating MORE, prepostulates that A is true,
and won't vanish on its own.

Postulating MORE is called chase.

And chasing starts at time greater than 0!

Thus the being is chasing a solution to the existence of A at time
= 0, by running down the time track time > 0, for the rest of time.

And not being any more at time = 0, the being won't be able to
vanish A and it won't vanish by itself.

The being is WELDED to creating A continuously by the postulate
that A won't simply vanish on its own, but needs some more things
postulated to help vanish A forever!

Postulate 0 at time = 0: A IS

Postulate 1 at time = 1: I don't want A but A is still there and
won't vanish on its own.

Postulate 2 at time = 2: I must postulate B, C, D etc to get rid
of A.

Good luck.

Putting A there, and then chasing putting OTHER things there in
order to get rid of A, is not the same as putting A there and letting
go, wherein A will vanish on its own.

Postulate 1 is called a prepostulate because it prepostulates that
A exists, which causes it to exist over and over again.

Postulate 1 is also filled with poison postulates like "Where did A
come from!, I didn't make A, I don't want A, who ordered or invited A?"
and other zero responsibility gimmicks to keep postulate 0 being
repostulated over and over again, while he figures out what to DO about
A!

The proof of invite is only available at time = 0 with postulate 0.

By the time he gets to postulate 1, he is no longer in contact with
postulate 0 and the invite, by direct perception, so he postulates he
didn't make an invite at all.

So the persistence of A becomes self proving, "you see its 10
thousand years later, and A is still there."

Every time he looks for A, he puts it there, and says "yep,
A's still there, I told you A won't vanish on its own, gotta keep
looking for a solution to the persistence of A.

A is self vanishing, why is he looking then for something to help
him vanish A?

He is doing this to make sure A doesn't vanish, thus giving
him a game to play of vanquishing A.

A will outlast the being.

And when a being's postulates out last the being MAKING THEM, you
know you got a problem on your hands.

The being nervously looks around to see if the original invite to A
has his signature on it, breathes a sign of relief when he can't find
the invite (because he doesn't want to), and thus can't be blamed for
the existence and persistence of A.

Some relief, for now his hell is having A forever, and chasing
doing something about it.

Admired original invite will vanish anything, because in part it
is taking full responsibility without added significance of shame, blame
or regret for having invited and put the thing there in the first place.

Admired original invite.

Knowing willing cause with full awareness of the consequences.

Don't go near it, if you want to keep your suffering around.

So in session with our auditor, OT A finally seeing time = 0 on the
matter, vanishes the postulate "I can affect you without your say so and
without your desire that I do", and suddenly OT A's regret vanishes into
humor.

At the same time B's postulates vanish that he can be the effect of
OT A, and both are now out of hell.

Notice the auditor only had to audit one of them to break the lock
down, doesn't matter which one.

It takes two to get locked in hell, and if either one takes full
responsibility for both sides, and the zero responsibilities involved,
the hell simply vanishes like an as-isness, because it has just been
as-ised.

But contacting that time = 0 is critically important to get rid of
the causal postulates that each can cause the other harm.

If someone says "You have harmed me", and you agree that you have
harmed them, they and you have harmeed *YOU*.

When you take full responsibility for something, not by owning up
to having caused it in the past, but in CAUSING IT NOW, admiring,
inviting and putting it there, it becomes yours, no matter who
originally did it.

The aesthetic of it being yours completely heals all wounds.

"Clear laughter is all the kind justice there is, and all the
justice you will ever need forever, for real.

This thing ain't called a religion for nothing." - Adore.com

Seeking forgiveness continues the postulate that OTHERS can't heal
themselves via the same mechanism.

"Man if someone did that to me, I would be pissed, so I can see why
they are pissed at me for doing it to them", you see victim, victim,
victim...

And this, although human, actually solidifies THEM in their own
mispostulate of victimness, because you are not a human, and neither are
they, you are both OTs.

Thus when an OT worries about others needing his help, they need
his help more, because OTs create in the mere conception of things.

And so no, they will never 'forgive you', once they get it however,
they will send you awards and accolades for the brilliance of your work
of doing them in, they couldn't have done it without your help, and you
will return the favor in like kind.

Your greatest laugh will be when you resolve what they did to you.

That's High Halcyon on the verge of time, High Appreciation for
Ludicrous Demise. -Adore.com

You see (my clarifications in brackets):

"There is no compromise with full responsibility.

It lies above 20.0 on the tone scale, and is descended from in
order to effect [the apparency of] randomity [and other cause], but is
descended from with the full knowledge of its assumptions [and
consequences]." LRH Advanced Procedure and Axioms, page 57.

Still the coolest words ever written.

TONE SCALE
http://www.clearing.org/archive?/electra/tone.memo

That's why people hate LRH by the way, they can't stand the idea
that life is the illusion that there is other cause than your own.

There is other cause, but only if you cause it to be so and invite
it in and it accepts and invites you back :)

On some worlds that's called FRIENDING.

And you can take that invite and it's granted cause back, through
the process of auditing out the times you gave it away to others, and
cemented it in place through shame, blame and regret/guilt.

That's called UNFRIENDING.

DEFRIENDING or debonding is when you remain further down in shame,
blame and regret creating the illusion of no further connection between
the two of you, when in fact both of you are held together like glue
from your hate and wish the other didn't exist.

UNFRIENDING is what this posting is about, because one starts to
take cause over one's life back from others during the auditing of Grade
III.

The only way to handle a prime upset in a Homo Novis, is to admit
you are causing it and know how to stop doing that.

Homer

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ADORE258 (fwd)

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SCIENCE RULES AND VIRTUAL RULES

Zinj (zinjifar@yahoo.com) wrote:
>'Science' generally says that if you find a strategy to be a losing
>strategy, you should abandon it, and try something else.

This is correct. Science is about the virtual rules in the
virtual reality game of space time. If you get stung by a bee, you
don't go out and get stung by another bee.

But scientology is about how the virtual reality is projected in
the first place, how science got put there in the first place.

If you put a body and a bee there in the virtual reality, then
the bee will sting the body. The scientific solution to that is to
avoid bees, carry antidotes etc.

The scientology solution to that is to withdraw the projection of
body and bee back into native state.


Barring that ability, one should at least beable to withdraw the
projection of the mental imprint formed during the sting incident so
it doesn't impinge upon one reactively in the future. One doesn't
want to forget about bee stings, but one doesn't want ones breathing
to lockup either every time one gets near a bees nest.

As long as you project the dream of space time, then while in
that space time you suffer space time rules, called science.

Scientology is about how to vanish the projection of the dream,
which one does by projecting it again and then ceasing to project
further. This produces exteriorization from the space time universe.

Mental imprints from the bee sting persist and affect the being
because he is not willing to put it there again, thus the picture
persists. But mental images are not physical world (science)
entitites, they are conscious spiritual world (scientology) entities.

One does not go out and get the body stung again to make the
mental imprint vanish, but one does mockup conscious recreations of
the event to make the mental imprint vanish so it won't auto create in
the future. This also causes the postulates to fall out of the
incident and become null and void upon inspection. Again postulates
may not make the bee stay or go away, but postulates made during
moments of pain make lasting changes to the conscious unit and how it
relates to the world.

For lower level cases the purpose of auditing is to erase
scientology phenomenon, not scientific phenomenon. Sometimes the two
are related as in psychosomatic illness. I used to be highly hay
feverish. Over the course of a number of sessions I saw where that
came from, the scientology mental force was removed from my face and
now I can snarf pollen like cocaine and have a good time at it. I
hardly ever sneeze any more no matter the pollen content. June 13th
used to be the beginning of hell of earth for me every year.

For higher level cases the purpose of auditing is to exteriorize
completely from scientific phenomenon and space time itself.
That ends it for one, not for others.

The mechanisms of how the dream is put into place and the
mechanisms that are put into place in the dream are 180 diametrically
opposed to each other. This is why no one figures it out, they are
too busy acting out dream rules in the dream, rather than acting out
the actual rules that create the dream in the first place.

Dreams are created much like the little door on your TV set.

You push the little door once and it closes. You push it again
and it opens.

The scientific answer to a door that has been pushed
closed is to pull it open.

The Scientology answer to a door that has been pushed closed,
is to push it closed again and it will open.

That's the joke to dream time.

You gotta start again what you want to stop.

Body/Thetan conflicts are endlessly fruitful to audit, body runs
on must never happen again, thetan runs on create it forever for free.

Once the thetan starts to live his own life under body rules, he
becomes a body and eventually a rock at the bottom of the ocean.

"Source sources what source is not." -Adore.

Sometime ask a rock at the bottom of the sea,

"What are you trying to not have happen again?"

Answer: I want anything but to have the game end.

Can you see the Love in that?

Homer

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LESSONS TO UNLEARN

Kalkidas <eat@joes.pub> wrote:

> As far as I know, the soul descended into matter because of his
>free will. He became attracted to material nature, desired her
>association, ignored any warnings he may have received, and that was
>sufficient to propel him down. That this was an error of judgment is
>quite obvious when one compares the misery of material life to the bliss
>of pure spiritual existence.

I disagree.

Since he came from a state of bliss, he knew what he was doing, and
desired to play the game of chase that he could never win.

There is the bliss to no bliss.

> Therefore, material existence is the consequence of an error in
judgment.

No, it was fair chosen..

He may have DEVISED errors in judgement and then engaged upon them
in order to cement his stay in the material world lest he wake up too
early, the more he can blame, the longer he can stay here.

The material world and its suffering is HAVINGNESS to the being.

> Since the soul is now trapped by his wrong judgment, he must somehow learn
> to exercise correct judgment if he is to get out of his predicament.

Yes, true, wrong judgements keep him here, but this does not deny
that he designed the wrong judgements to do so.

> In that sense, then, material bodies are a chance for the soul to learn
> something, or more accurately, to remember something he forgot.

Yes to remember that what he learned that lead him downward was
wrong, and to unlearn it all.

Native state beings do not carry around with them lessons learned
to make sure they stay in native state.

Learning lessons is chasing mass to weigh one down.

For how is one going to 'remember' those lessons "lest it all happen
again?"

IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AGAIN by design.

High appreciation for ludicrous demise.

The guy had to invent it all the way down to the bottom.

"Let's see now, how can I go lower and stay there?"

The best way he ever designed was the creation of the idea that he
had to struggle to learn lessons which he must never forget to make sure
descending into materiality never happens again.

Seek the 'must never happen again', and you will find where the
being is most nuts on learning lessons.

Homer
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BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT

Say one day you give the order that no one should turn off the
lights in the room.

A while later you come back and the lights are off and you want to
know who did it.

No one owns up but Susan says Joe was the last one in the room so
he must have done it. So now are we certain that Joe did it?

Joe denies he did it though.

Then Joe goes and dusts the light switch for finger prints and
finds that Tom's prints are on it and so is it certain that Tom did it?

But Tom denies he did it.

Then Tom goes to the video camera in the room that recorded the
area and the tape shows that Bill did it and wiped his prints clean and
put Toms prints there from an earlier lift, so now are we certain Bill
did it?

But Bill denies it too.

Then Bill goes to the next room where John was sitting during all
this, and he says he saw Mary go to the VCR closet and replace the tape
that was running there with another one, so the video tape may be a
phoney through computer graphics etc and the real one is gone.

Question: Are we certain who did it yet?

If we find the *REAL* video tape will we be certain who did it?

No, because maybe God or some alien beings wrote false data on the
tape while it was recording to implicate an innocent party.

"Oh but's thats *RIDICULOUS*, the data on the real video tape is
good enough for me!"

What does "good enough for me" mean?

It means "Good enough for me to place my bets and be comfortable
with the consequences right or wrong."

Does it mean you are perfectly certain.

No.

Why?

BECAUSE CERTAINTY IS IMPOSSIBLE in this situation.

There can ALWAYS be an unknown third part messing with the data
thus falsifying it.

The Proof calls this the Third Party law and formalizes it with the
statement,

Learning with Certainty about Cause by Looking at Effects of that
Cause is impossible.

One can argue "Yeah but this third party is the exceptional claim,
why should we consider it?"

Well for practical purposes you probably shouldn't worry about it
too much, but for philosophical purposes, claiming certainty for an
uncertainty is a high crime worthy of a few years in hell when your time
comes, so we need to use more stringent standards.

"Good enough for me" != Certainty

Certainly.

Homer


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