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WHIRLPOOL NIGHTMARE
Long ago when we were doing T-shirts, every night I would fall into
a nightmare of whirling energy where I couldn't remember my name or who
I was or where I was, and it felt like I would never recover them.
Accidentally I learned that while in this nightmare if I asked
myself
"Who do I still want to murder?" and/or
"Withheld/Refused Apology."
the nightmare would suddenly stop and everything would be fine.
Problem was I could never remember those phrases when it turned on
because my memory was being ripped from me.
We slept on the ground on a fouton, and next to my side were boxes
and boxes of fractal t-shirts, so I wrote on the side of the box those
two phrases. Thus I could wake up, and with one eye remember the
phrase, go back into the nightmare and use them. This worked fine and
as time went on the nightly mares started to lose power as if the
incident was running out. This might have happened over 7 to 10 days of
the same thing every night.
Then one I night the nightmare turned on, fear was dripping off the
walls and I was about to use my magic phrases as I was getting good at
this, didn't need the reminders on the boxes any more or the flash
lights to read them, and I said "Aw screw this, and I *DIVED* into the
center of whirlpool".
Suddenly all the fear waves turned into pleasure waves, and I was
surrounded in warm candyland beauty. All pain was gone from the dream.
The nightmare never happened again.
Incident erased.
Hubbard talks about the whirlpool implants in History of Man I
believe.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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Curiosus (curiosus@fastmail.fm) wrote:
>homer@lightlink.com wrote:
>> Was this being actual?
>>
>> BT?
>>
>> What do you think?
>I have several hypothesis about these matters:
Do you have the same hypothesis about the people you meet in the
waking state?
If not, why do you discriminate between people in the 'waking'
state, and people in 'sleep dreams'?
The people in my sleep dreams are more intelligent, more
beautiful, more powerful, more creative and more alive than the beings
in the waking state most of whom seem to be mostly dead.
Christ I even get really good auditing from them sometimes.
And you know I wake up with piano music I *REMEMBER* still in my
fingers from who knows how many time tracks ago. I can only cry as I
watch it fade from my hands when I wake up. Sometimes it takes 15 to
20 seconds though...
How long has this been goin' on?
>1. Pure imagination and mock-ups
>2. Virtual identities (valences, "mental programs" which are activated)
>3. Attached entities (BTs)
>4. Communication with other beings from earth, other planets, or
>disembodied
>5. Manifestation of invisible connections which form the woof and warp
>of life.
>Your dream could be anyone of these manifestations, from what you
>wrote.
>The fact that we have questions means that we don't know enough about
>the true nature of life.
>For example do you understand fully the concept of thetan as defined in
>scientology?
The thetan is that which is aware of being aware. It is the
looker, looking at the "looked-at" through the "looked-through".
The thetan is capable of the 4 basic perfect certainties of
existence:
I AM
I WANT
I KNOW
I DO
They are perfect certainties in that they can not be doubted, for
to doubt them is to prove them.
Thus they can not be wrong.
A nothing could not wonder whether it was a nothing or a
something.
I doubt I am, therefore I am.
One can not doubt without being certain that one doubts.
He who doubts that he doubts is in hiding from perfect certainty.
This is brazen, shameless out integrity.
Since God is perfect, where there is perfection there is probably
God.
Thus perfect certainty is a window directly into the mind and
operation of God.
Me, thee and the High Us.
Beyond these things a thetan is probably much more than meets the
eye.
The primary difference between a meatball and a dreamball is
one's conception of the relationship between lookers and other
lookers, and also between lookers and their respective
looked-through's and looked-at's.
Meatballs think the looker is MADE of a looked-at, they think
that consciousness-of and perfect certainty is merely a process in
choice ground sirloin.
To them the mind of God is a hamburger.
:)
To spot the thetan, spot the desire to spot the thetan.
Spot the intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the spotter of the desire and intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the doubt that one has spotted the thetan.
Spot the certainty of that doubt.
Spot the perfection of that certainty.
Homer
>Me, I don't, and that is one of these underlying questions which are at
>the core of my quest.
>--
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Curiosus (curiosus@fastmail.fm) wrote:
>homer@lightlink.com wrote:
>> Was this being actual?
>>
>> BT?
>>
>> What do you think?
>I have several hypothesis about these matters:
Do you have the same hypothesis about the people you meet in the
waking state?
If not, why do you discriminate between people in the 'waking'
state, and people in 'sleep dreams'?
The people in my sleep dreams are more intelligent, more
beautiful, more powerful, more creative and more alive than the beings
in the waking state most of whom seem to be mostly dead.
Christ I even get really good auditing from them sometimes.
And you know I wake up with piano music I *REMEMBER* still in my
fingers from who knows how many time tracks ago. I can only cry as I
watch it fade from my hands when I wake up. Sometimes it takes 15 to
20 seconds though...
How long has this been goin' on?
>1. Pure imagination and mock-ups
>2. Virtual identities (valences, "mental programs" which are activated)
>3. Attached entities (BTs)
>4. Communication with other beings from earth, other planets, or
>disembodied
>5. Manifestation of invisible connections which form the woof and warp
>of life.
>Your dream could be anyone of these manifestations, from what you
>wrote.
>The fact that we have questions means that we don't know enough about
>the true nature of life.
>For example do you understand fully the concept of thetan as defined in
>scientology?
The thetan is that which is aware of being aware. It is the
looker, looking at the "looked-at" through the "looked-through".
The thetan is capable of the 4 basic perfect certainties of
existence:
I AM
I WANT
I KNOW
I DO
They are perfect certainties in that they can not be doubted, for
to doubt them is to prove them.
Thus they can not be wrong.
A nothing could not wonder whether it was a nothing or a
something.
I doubt I am, therefore I am.
One can not doubt without being certain that one doubts.
He who doubts that he doubts is in hiding from perfect certainty.
This is brazen, shameless out integrity.
Since God is perfect, where there is perfection there is probably
God.
Thus perfect certainty is a window directly into the mind and
operation of God.
Me, thee and the High Us.
Beyond these things a thetan is probably much more than meets the
eye.
The primary difference between a meatball and a dreamball is
one's conception of the relationship between lookers and other
lookers, and also between lookers and their respective
looked-through's and looked-at's.
Meatballs think the looker is MADE of a looked-at, they think
that consciousness-of and perfect certainty is merely a process in
choice ground sirloin.
To them the mind of God is a hamburger.
:)
To spot the thetan, spot the desire to spot the thetan.
Spot the intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the spotter of the desire and intent to spot the thetan.
Spot the doubt that one has spotted the thetan.
Spot the certainty of that doubt.
Spot the perfection of that certainty.
Homer
>Me, I don't, and that is one of these underlying questions which are at
>the core of my quest.
>--
>Curiosus
>http://www.geocities.com/curiosus_2005/spcos.htm
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OCCAM'S SHARPENING STRAP
Occam liked to follow the simplest theory first before wasting time
on more complex ones.
There is some complaint that the dreamball theory is more complex
than the meatball theory.
In truth the hybrid theory that says both the physical universe and
the conscious universe are actual and are interfaced together is clearly
a more complex one than either theory alone.
But as for the pure meatball and dreamball theories, they are
pretty much on a par with other, although the dreamball theory is richer
in possibilities as it allows the virtualization of many different kinds
of meatball universes.
The dreamball universe is also way more desirable as it allows for
eternality and time enough for love, along with virtual roller coaster
rides as wild as you could ever want including the goal to seek
spiritual death forever, something you can never win, but spend a long
time trying to get there.
The meatball theory says that consciousness is a process in the
physical universe and the brain. Without the physical universe or
brain, there is no consciousness.
The dreamball theory says the physical universe and the brain are a
process in consciousness. Without the conscious universe, there is no
brain or physical universe, nor virtual renditions of them.
The meatball theory says that the physical universe came first, and
consciousness arose out of its complexity of parts, that consciousness
is chemistry bubbling away at 98.6 Farenheit.
The dreamball theory says that consciousness came first, is in fact
eternal, and that (dreams of) the physical universe arose out of its
simplicity.
Effectively the dreamball theory gets rid of the physical universe
except as illusion, and the meatball theory gets rid of consciousness
except as illusion.
But we do not have a symmetry because the existence of
consciousness can not be questioned, perfect certainty is after all
perfectly self luminous.
But the existence of the physical universe can intelligently be
questioned because we can only know it through renditions of its alleged
likeness in our consciousness.
That is like trying to prove something out there exists when all
you have ever seen is a TV picture of it fed to you by an alleged video
camera out there looking at the object. How do you know there is a
video camera and not just a video tape playing?
Worse it can be stated that it is possible to prove that it is
impossible to prove the existence of the physical universe.
That's a big statement, think about it.
Images on a TV set do not prove the existence of anything rendered
in the TV screen beyond the images so rendered.
Images in consciousness do not prove the existence of anything
rendered in consciousness beyond the images themselves.
Thus we have proven that the existence of anything rendered on a TV
screen is unprovable merely from the data on the TV screen!
Just so, we can prove that the existence of anything rendered in
consciousness is unprovable merely from the data in consciousness.
BUT THAT IS ALL WE HAVE, WHAT WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF.
Therefore the existence of the physical universe is provably
unprovable.
Occam's Razor said follow the simplest theory that explains all the
facts.
But Occam's Sharpening Strap said don't even bother to assert or
follow theories that you can prove can never be proven.
That's a deep one and needs some thought.
Stay away from hypotheses that you can prove up front are
unprovable. That doesn't mean they are wrong, it means you can't prove
them even if they are right.
So Occam said screw it, don't even bother with provably unprovable
stuff, find something else to follow.
Man has been saying for years that the ultimate truths about
consciousness are unknowable.
The truth is that the very existence of the physical universe is
unknowable as long as we are using consciousness to know about it.
Consciousness on the other hand you can know about, with perfect
certainty.
Now the guys who make a living chasing the provably unprovable,
like Scientists of the Rock, won't like this, which is in part why no
one has ever heard of Occam's Sharpening Strap.
But there is it.
There is nothing wrong with present day science, it gives us
virtual truth about a virtual reality, but it does not give us anything
about the actual truth of what creates the virtual reality.
It could though, but they would have to stop looking outward, and
start looking ATward, at their consciousness, perfect certainty, self
luminousness, and find the connection that binds us all together as one
family forever, called source or static.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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OCCAM'S SHARPENING STRAP
Occam liked to follow the simplest theory first before wasting time
on more complex ones.
There is some complaint that the dreamball theory is more complex
than the meatball theory.
In truth the hybrid theory that says both the physical universe and
the conscious universe are actual and are interfaced together is clearly
a more complex one than either theory alone.
But as for the pure meatball and dreamball theories, they are
pretty much on a par with other, although the dreamball theory is richer
in possibilities as it allows the virtualization of many different kinds
of meatball universes.
The dreamball universe is also way more desirable as it allows for
eternality and time enough for love, along with virtual roller coaster
rides as wild as you could ever want including the goal to seek
spiritual death forever, something you can never win, but spend a long
time trying to get there.
The meatball theory says that consciousness is a process in the
physical universe and the brain. Without the physical universe or
brain, there is no consciousness.
The dreamball theory says the physical universe and the brain are a
process in consciousness. Without the conscious universe, there is no
brain or physical universe, nor virtual renditions of them.
The meatball theory says that the physical universe came first, and
consciousness arose out of its complexity of parts, that consciousness
is chemistry bubbling away at 98.6 Farenheit.
The dreamball theory says that consciousness came first, is in fact
eternal, and that (dreams of) the physical universe arose out of its
simplicity.
Effectively the dreamball theory gets rid of the physical universe
except as illusion, and the meatball theory gets rid of consciousness
except as illusion.
But we do not have a symmetry because the existence of
consciousness can not be questioned, perfect certainty is after all
perfectly self luminous.
But the existence of the physical universe can intelligently be
questioned because we can only know it through renditions of its alleged
likeness in our consciousness.
That is like trying to prove something out there exists when all
you have ever seen is a TV picture of it fed to you by an alleged video
camera out there looking at the object. How do you know there is a
video camera and not just a video tape playing?
Worse it can be stated that it is possible to prove that it is
impossible to prove the existence of the physical universe.
That's a big statement, think about it.
Images on a TV set do not prove the existence of anything rendered
in the TV screen beyond the images so rendered.
Images in consciousness do not prove the existence of anything
rendered in consciousness beyond the images themselves.
Thus we have proven that the existence of anything rendered on a TV
screen is unprovable merely from the data on the TV screen!
Just so, we can prove that the existence of anything rendered in
consciousness is unprovable merely from the data in consciousness.
BUT THAT IS ALL WE HAVE, WHAT WE ARE CONSCIOUS OF.
Therefore the existence of the physical universe is provably
unprovable.
Occam's Razor said follow the simplest theory that explains all the
facts.
But Occam's Sharpening Strap said don't even bother to assert or
follow theories that you can prove can never be proven.
That's a deep one and needs some thought.
Stay away from hypotheses that you can prove up front are
unprovable. That doesn't mean they are wrong, it means you can't prove
them even if they are right.
So Occam said screw it, don't even bother with provably unprovable
stuff, find something else to follow.
Man has been saying for years that the ultimate truths about
consciousness are unknowable.
The truth is that the very existence of the physical universe is
unknowable as long as we are using consciousness to know about it.
Consciousness on the other hand you can know about, with perfect
certainty.
Now the guys who make a living chasing the provably unprovable,
like Scientists of the Rock, won't like this, which is in part why no
one has ever heard of Occam's Sharpening Strap.
But there is it.
There is nothing wrong with present day science, it gives us
virtual truth about a virtual reality, but it does not give us anything
about the actual truth of what creates the virtual reality.
It could though, but they would have to stop looking outward, and
start looking ATward, at their consciousness, perfect certainty, self
luminousness, and find the connection that binds us all together as one
family forever, called source or static.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SELF DENYING SYLLOGISMS
If you state,
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything"
you are intending that this statement be used as:
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything.
Exhibit A is a syllogism
Therefore Exhibit A doesn't apply to anything"
The point is that merely MAKING THE STATEMENT syllogisms don't
apply to anything assumes and intends that they do.
People who build their philsophies around self denying statements
are all wind between the ears.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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SELF DENYING SYLLOGISMS
If you state,
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything"
you are intending that this statement be used as:
"Syllogisms don't apply to anything.
Exhibit A is a syllogism
Therefore Exhibit A doesn't apply to anything"
The point is that merely MAKING THE STATEMENT syllogisms don't
apply to anything assumes and intends that they do.
People who build their philsophies around self denying statements
are all wind between the ears.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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BODY AND THETAN II
Here is the strongest argument I know that bodies do not need
thetan class beings in them to survive.
We assume that bodies are made of GE class elementals with their
own track and their own game.
Bodies are not made by thetans, they are made by parents.
Thus when and where a body is created depends upon the free wills
of the bodies that becomes it parents, plus the decisions of any thetans
in those parental bodies.
That means since bodies are being born all the time, there must be
a long line of GE class beings waiting in the soup so to speak until
they are called into service to create and keep that new body alive.
They don't have much choice in the matter, body is conceived, and
GE's are sucked in to fill the ever expanding number of cellular posts
that make the body go.
If that were true for thetan class beings, then they too would have
to line up and be forced to join a body lest it die, and the time of
assumption would have to be mostly identical for everyone, probably at
conception and certainly not after birth.
Hubbard's research indicated that there was definitely a GE time
track, and definitely a thetan time track and that they were two
different histories.
Further he claimed that the thetan tended to take over the body
when and IF it wanted to, sometimes going in and out many times before a
final control transfer was undertaken, never to get out again.
He indicated in the early tapes that thetan's tended to take over
bodies as late as they could after birth, and were only forced into
earlier and earlier assumptions by competition from other thetans.
The idea that the thetan is necessary to the biological life of the
body, means that if all 6 to 10 billion thetans incarnated on Earth were
cleared of the need to have a body, all bodies would die at birth or
before.
I would suggest that the body is independent of the thetan, and the
thetan is not a natural part of a body, that the body has an
intelligence similar to a chimpanzee, they can go to the fridge and pull
a beer, or drive a car, but they couldn't FIX a car nor could they
invent one.
The natural thetan's scope, span, depth and field is many millions
of times bigger than a body, and it feels that not being able to do
anything without having to do it with his body is a prison of magnitude.
This ARC break then kicks back against the body who feels resented
by the thetan because it can't fly, climb mountains, go to the stars, or
do whatever thetans want and can do.
The body is also naturally used to a 300 foot radius of awareness,
and is not supposed to be burdened by awareness of what is going on 3000
miles away in India.
To a natural body, if it ain't happening to IT, it ain't happening.
Having a thetan sucked into its brain changes that causing the body
to give up in despair, because it knows it can't handle or do anything
about anything outside of its radius of awareness. The fact that the
THETAN then tries to force the body to become a super soldier and deal
with all the world problems, drives the body even further down tone.
This is like a parent forcing a baby to go to war.
It shows up in running thetans forcing bodies to go to thetan wars.
Most bodies would kill the thetan in them without second thought,
except for the fact that the thetan is pretty good at bringing home good
food, shelter and sex for it.
It should be mentioned that a body without a thetan is pretty cowed
by bodies that have thetans in them, so its first impulse is to get
itself a thetan too, for 'thetans know what to do.'
Nonetheless half the charge between thetan and body is the thetan's
hatred for the body and its limitations and attitudes, and the other
half of the charge is the body's hatred for the thetan constantly trying
to make the body be more than it is, and getting it killed, hurt or
harmed, in the process.
There are also body - thetan conflicts too numerous to go over
again, the primary one of which is the body runs on must never happen
again, and the thetan had better not, because the thetan can only
resolve things BY MAKING IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Willingness to start enables being able to stop.
You can only change what you PUT THERE.
Once the thetan considers its own universe runs like the body's
universe, it is doomed.
Basically bodies and thetans hate each other to the core of their
being, the result of such a meld is an "I am fine, thank you" case.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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BODY AND THETAN II
Here is the strongest argument I know that bodies do not need
thetan class beings in them to survive.
We assume that bodies are made of GE class elementals with their
own track and their own game.
Bodies are not made by thetans, they are made by parents.
Thus when and where a body is created depends upon the free wills
of the bodies that becomes it parents, plus the decisions of any thetans
in those parental bodies.
That means since bodies are being born all the time, there must be
a long line of GE class beings waiting in the soup so to speak until
they are called into service to create and keep that new body alive.
They don't have much choice in the matter, body is conceived, and
GE's are sucked in to fill the ever expanding number of cellular posts
that make the body go.
If that were true for thetan class beings, then they too would have
to line up and be forced to join a body lest it die, and the time of
assumption would have to be mostly identical for everyone, probably at
conception and certainly not after birth.
Hubbard's research indicated that there was definitely a GE time
track, and definitely a thetan time track and that they were two
different histories.
Further he claimed that the thetan tended to take over the body
when and IF it wanted to, sometimes going in and out many times before a
final control transfer was undertaken, never to get out again.
He indicated in the early tapes that thetan's tended to take over
bodies as late as they could after birth, and were only forced into
earlier and earlier assumptions by competition from other thetans.
The idea that the thetan is necessary to the biological life of the
body, means that if all 6 to 10 billion thetans incarnated on Earth were
cleared of the need to have a body, all bodies would die at birth or
before.
I would suggest that the body is independent of the thetan, and the
thetan is not a natural part of a body, that the body has an
intelligence similar to a chimpanzee, they can go to the fridge and pull
a beer, or drive a car, but they couldn't FIX a car nor could they
invent one.
The natural thetan's scope, span, depth and field is many millions
of times bigger than a body, and it feels that not being able to do
anything without having to do it with his body is a prison of magnitude.
This ARC break then kicks back against the body who feels resented
by the thetan because it can't fly, climb mountains, go to the stars, or
do whatever thetans want and can do.
The body is also naturally used to a 300 foot radius of awareness,
and is not supposed to be burdened by awareness of what is going on 3000
miles away in India.
To a natural body, if it ain't happening to IT, it ain't happening.
Having a thetan sucked into its brain changes that causing the body
to give up in despair, because it knows it can't handle or do anything
about anything outside of its radius of awareness. The fact that the
THETAN then tries to force the body to become a super soldier and deal
with all the world problems, drives the body even further down tone.
This is like a parent forcing a baby to go to war.
It shows up in running thetans forcing bodies to go to thetan wars.
Most bodies would kill the thetan in them without second thought,
except for the fact that the thetan is pretty good at bringing home good
food, shelter and sex for it.
It should be mentioned that a body without a thetan is pretty cowed
by bodies that have thetans in them, so its first impulse is to get
itself a thetan too, for 'thetans know what to do.'
Nonetheless half the charge between thetan and body is the thetan's
hatred for the body and its limitations and attitudes, and the other
half of the charge is the body's hatred for the thetan constantly trying
to make the body be more than it is, and getting it killed, hurt or
harmed, in the process.
There are also body - thetan conflicts too numerous to go over
again, the primary one of which is the body runs on must never happen
again, and the thetan had better not, because the thetan can only
resolve things BY MAKING IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Willingness to start enables being able to stop.
You can only change what you PUT THERE.
Once the thetan considers its own universe runs like the body's
universe, it is doomed.
Basically bodies and thetans hate each other to the core of their
being, the result of such a meld is an "I am fine, thank you" case.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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CENSORSHIP AND THE NET
Ah well, I may have changed my mind in many ways since ACT90 was
written.
I believe the context was the Church or its thugs were trying to
cancel unauthorized postings of their copyrighted and trade secreted
material.
Relative to the poster of a copyright violation that ends up on my
usenet disk space, the copy belongs to me, so I can do what I will with
it, just not copy it further. But usenet news copies things by
definition so that's kind of moot.
The point is the copy on my disks do NOT belong to the poster,
so I am free to dispose of it or keep it or change it as I will.
But relative to the owner of the copyright, the posting may
'belong' to me, but is none the less an illegal copyright copy, so I had
better deal with it as the law demands.
The issue of cancels by original posters or by forgers remains
problematic. As there is no authentication on usenet news, anyone can
cancel anyone's postings if they know how and have the access, thus
allowing ANY cancels becomes a problem.
It became such a problem at one time that the Church tried to
cancel the entire newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.
You see here is a religion about communication that doesn't
want anyone communicating about it.
To protect against this vandalism I chose to turn off accepting
cancels and group removals entirely.
So have most other ISP's.
Thus, even though I get requests now again to cancel secret tech
from alt.religion.scientology by Chuch lawyers, even after I hand cancel
them, they remain on every other news server in the world.
So I ask the lawyers if they are picking only on me, or contacting
all the other news servers in the world to get them to cancel the
postings also.
Present policy is, a.r.s is retained for one day, and thus is self
canceling as EVERYTHING posted to it is gone within 24 hours which is
more than reasonable response time to deleting a copyright violation.
Same with the sex binaries.
And yes the bell weather is still in good shape.
Homer
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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>
> THE CHANNELS OF FREEDOM
>
> ACT - 90
> 3 September 1995
>
> Copyright (C) 1995 Homer Wilson Smith
> Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
>
> I believe that people have a right to self defense, even to kill
> others in self defense, they even have a moral mandate to do so should
> the need arise.
>
> I believe that people have a right to do generally illegal things
> in order to prevent illegal things from being done to them, such as
> killing another who is about to kill you.
>
> I believe that an author who has had his work posted to the
> internet in violation of his copyright has the right to defend himself
> by canceling those postings.
>
> Just as someone has the right to kill another in order to prevent
> the ruin of their own lives, people have the right to cancel postings to
> prevent their own financial ruin.
>
> In this case you are killing a posting, rather than a person.
>
> Again I will point out that the PHYSICAL COPY of a posting made by
> another that resides on my hard drive as an ISP, LEGALLY BELONGS TO ME.
> I may do with that posting whatever I see fit as long as I do not
> violate the copyrights of the author.
>
> The copyright laws tell me I may not make MORE copies of the
> posting than I am permitted to, they do not tell me I may not make LESS
> of the posting.
>
> I am not a public service, I am not supported by tax payers
> dollars.
>
> As an ISP I am under no obligation to carry any material, posting
> or communication of any kind from any person. I am under no obligation
> to allow anyone to have access to my system, I am under no obligation to
> carry any particular news group or any newsgroups at all, and I am under
> no obligation to carry any particular person's postings on my system,
> even if they should happen to be in a newsgroup that I am otherwise
> carrying.
>
> I am free to not accept postings from any one person or group of
> people that I chose before they are placed on my hard drive, and I am
> free to erase them afterwards. THEY ARE MY COPIES, I MAY DO WITH THEM
> AS I PLEASE.
>
> If someone writes a book and I buy a copy of it, the copy is MINE.
> I may not copy the book, but I may sell it to another, I may give it
> away, I may also burn it or throw it away. I can choose to not have my
> copy of any book that I own, in fact I can choose to not have any copy
> of any book period.
>
> I am also free to invite others to come and burn my copy of that
> book, and I am free to invite others to buy their own copies and burn
> them too.
>
> The original author of the book can LEGALLY do nothing to stop me.
>
> As an ISP I am selling access to my system. THAT IS ALL I AM
> SELLING. I am selling a password that works, nothing more. The
> guarantee that I give and the warranty that I make is:
>
> "If your payment is on time before the beginning of the month, you
> will either have access at 12 midnight on the first of the month or you
> will certainly receive your money back in full."
>
> THAT I PROMISE.
>
> The SERVICES that they find on the system once they have been sold
> ACCESS, are whatever services they find there or none at all. The
> services are provided on an AS-IS basis, with no guarantee of
> availability nor warranty of merchantability for any particular purpose.
>
> As part of their purchase price, each customer must sign a waiver
> of all rights to sue me or hold me liable for any damage, whether real
> or imagined that they may suffer 'because' of the service that they do
> or not find on the system.
>
> It is my service, I have a right to sell it as I see fit.
>
> If someone is dissatisfied with the ACCESS that I have sold them,
> they may return it for a full refund *IF* they return it before the
> month begins. That means once the month has begun, the access price is
> non refundable. They are free to not buy another month if they wish.
> If they have bought more than one month in advance, they will be
> refunded unused months, but not unused parts of months. Most of the
> internet industry works this way.
>
> What I offer on my system is an enormous amount of freedom of
> speech, there is something on my system that crosses almost everyone's
> lines of propriety. Whether or not I approve of child pornography,
> snuff pictures, or warez is totally irrelevant, I use the presence of
> these items coming into my system as a bell weather sign that the
> channels of free and anonymous speech are still open.
>
> Some might think that by allowing such material onto a public
> system, that I am helping to create a market for such material, and yes
> in fact some people will probably be moved to create and provide more of
> such things because of the market. But the market in dead and abused
> kids exists mainly because people refuse to talk about such things with
> their children, for fear that by talking about it, they will lead their
> children INTO it.
>
> Out of sight and out of mind.
>
> "If one does not talk about sin, no one will sin".
>
> Thus parents bring their children up in a well of silence, rather
> than teaching them at an early age, in gory detail, about the dangers of
> enforced and inhibited sex where the children could report abuse when it
> happened rather than keeping it to themselves and drowning it out.
>
> Therefore although I do not believe that snuff pictures are a good
> thing, nor do I believe that children should be sex slaves, I do believe
> that every picture on the planet of this stuff should be placed on the
> internet as fast as possible so that people will wake up to what life on
> Earth has become, even if it does create a momentary upsurge in the
> profits of and the market for this kind of material.
>
> I also find a terrible hypocrisy of people bitterly complaining
> about the sexual abuse of children, but never one word about the FOOD
> abuse of children. Most children suffer more abuse over the subject of
> food than they ever will over the subject of sex.
>
> Anyone who can't remember the taste of their mothers tits, is
> basically a child food abuse case of magnitude. But food abuse is a
> institutionalized insanity, EVERYBODY DOES IT, so its ok.
>
> I also find a terrible hypocrisy in the loud clamor about a few
> forged cancels, but not one word of complaint about the copyright
> violations that are being committed, including the violations in the
> porn groups, or the 200 megs of warez that come into my system every
> day.
>
> That's 200 megs of stolen software EVERY DAY.
>
> I guess people are too busy complaining about 4 or 5 cancels a day
> coming into a.r.s. to complain about 200 megs of warez a day coming
> into alt.binaries.ibm/mac.warez.
>
> You see posting a copyright violation of porn, or some dead girl
> with a dick up her, or the latest version of Microsoft Word is FREE
> SPEECH, but posting a defense against this stuff called a forged cancel,
> well there are no words for something as low as that.
>
> We certainly wouldn't want to deify it by calling it free speech
> too.
>
> The truth is people defend with great righteousness whatever their
> present addiction happens to be. If they need porn or warez or pictures
> of naked little girls they will be dead silent about those copyright
> violations; if they need church tech, they will scream bloody murder
> about how they have been too abused for words by forged cancels, even
> though they are merely the authors, or their assigns or friends
> defending themselves from financial ruin.
>
> Pointing out there are 'proper channels for making a complaint' is
> so vapid its not worth discussing.
>
> The screaming and yelling about forged cancels is called a DEDEX.
> It stands for DED EXPOSED. A DED is a prior act of unprovoked cruelty.
>
> It means you have done wrong, and now you are fabricating and
> exaggerating like hell in order to build up a wrong done to you AFTER
> THE FACT big enough to justify the wrong you did to others BEFORE THE
> FACT.
>
> Alas black holes can never be filled.
>
> The Churchies may be assholes, but they are right assholes on that
> point.
>
> Anyhow, in my opinion, right or wrong, legal tracking of forged
> cancellers will do more damage in the long run to freedom of speech than
> all the forged cancels in the whole world. As long as I believe that, I
> will authorize all cancels on my system, just as I authorize the porn,
> and the snuff, and the warez.
>
> They are all a bell weather sign that the channels of freedom are
> still open.
>
> Homer
>
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CENSORSHIP AND THE NET
Ah well, I may have changed my mind in many ways since ACT90 was
written.
I believe the context was the Church or its thugs were trying to
cancel unauthorized postings of their copyrighted and trade secreted
material.
Relative to the poster of a copyright violation that ends up on my
usenet disk space, the copy belongs to me, so I can do what I will with
it, just not copy it further. But usenet news copies things by
definition so that's kind of moot.
The point is the copy on my disks do NOT belong to the poster,
so I am free to dispose of it or keep it or change it as I will.
But relative to the owner of the copyright, the posting may
'belong' to me, but is none the less an illegal copyright copy, so I had
better deal with it as the law demands.
The issue of cancels by original posters or by forgers remains
problematic. As there is no authentication on usenet news, anyone can
cancel anyone's postings if they know how and have the access, thus
allowing ANY cancels becomes a problem.
It became such a problem at one time that the Church tried to
cancel the entire newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.
You see here is a religion about communication that doesn't
want anyone communicating about it.
To protect against this vandalism I chose to turn off accepting
cancels and group removals entirely.
So have most other ISP's.
Thus, even though I get requests now again to cancel secret tech
from alt.religion.scientology by Chuch lawyers, even after I hand cancel
them, they remain on every other news server in the world.
So I ask the lawyers if they are picking only on me, or contacting
all the other news servers in the world to get them to cancel the
postings also.
Present policy is, a.r.s is retained for one day, and thus is self
canceling as EVERYTHING posted to it is gone within 24 hours which is
more than reasonable response time to deleting a copyright violation.
Same with the sex binaries.
And yes the bell weather is still in good shape.
Homer
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(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, homer@lightlink.com wrote:
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>
>
>
> ((Editor's comments in double parenthesis - Homer))
>
> THE CHANNELS OF FREEDOM
>
> ACT - 90
> 3 September 1995
>
> Copyright (C) 1995 Homer Wilson Smith
> Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
>
> I believe that people have a right to self defense, even to kill
> others in self defense, they even have a moral mandate to do so should
> the need arise.
>
> I believe that people have a right to do generally illegal things
> in order to prevent illegal things from being done to them, such as
> killing another who is about to kill you.
>
> I believe that an author who has had his work posted to the
> internet in violation of his copyright has the right to defend himself
> by canceling those postings.
>
> Just as someone has the right to kill another in order to prevent
> the ruin of their own lives, people have the right to cancel postings to
> prevent their own financial ruin.
>
> In this case you are killing a posting, rather than a person.
>
> Again I will point out that the PHYSICAL COPY of a posting made by
> another that resides on my hard drive as an ISP, LEGALLY BELONGS TO ME.
> I may do with that posting whatever I see fit as long as I do not
> violate the copyrights of the author.
>
> The copyright laws tell me I may not make MORE copies of the
> posting than I am permitted to, they do not tell me I may not make LESS
> of the posting.
>
> I am not a public service, I am not supported by tax payers
> dollars.
>
> As an ISP I am under no obligation to carry any material, posting
> or communication of any kind from any person. I am under no obligation
> to allow anyone to have access to my system, I am under no obligation to
> carry any particular news group or any newsgroups at all, and I am under
> no obligation to carry any particular person's postings on my system,
> even if they should happen to be in a newsgroup that I am otherwise
> carrying.
>
> I am free to not accept postings from any one person or group of
> people that I chose before they are placed on my hard drive, and I am
> free to erase them afterwards. THEY ARE MY COPIES, I MAY DO WITH THEM
> AS I PLEASE.
>
> If someone writes a book and I buy a copy of it, the copy is MINE.
> I may not copy the book, but I may sell it to another, I may give it
> away, I may also burn it or throw it away. I can choose to not have my
> copy of any book that I own, in fact I can choose to not have any copy
> of any book period.
>
> I am also free to invite others to come and burn my copy of that
> book, and I am free to invite others to buy their own copies and burn
> them too.
>
> The original author of the book can LEGALLY do nothing to stop me.
>
> As an ISP I am selling access to my system. THAT IS ALL I AM
> SELLING. I am selling a password that works, nothing more. The
> guarantee that I give and the warranty that I make is:
>
> "If your payment is on time before the beginning of the month, you
> will either have access at 12 midnight on the first of the month or you
> will certainly receive your money back in full."
>
> THAT I PROMISE.
>
> The SERVICES that they find on the system once they have been sold
> ACCESS, are whatever services they find there or none at all. The
> services are provided on an AS-IS basis, with no guarantee of
> availability nor warranty of merchantability for any particular purpose.
>
> As part of their purchase price, each customer must sign a waiver
> of all rights to sue me or hold me liable for any damage, whether real
> or imagined that they may suffer 'because' of the service that they do
> or not find on the system.
>
> It is my service, I have a right to sell it as I see fit.
>
> If someone is dissatisfied with the ACCESS that I have sold them,
> they may return it for a full refund *IF* they return it before the
> month begins. That means once the month has begun, the access price is
> non refundable. They are free to not buy another month if they wish.
> If they have bought more than one month in advance, they will be
> refunded unused months, but not unused parts of months. Most of the
> internet industry works this way.
>
> What I offer on my system is an enormous amount of freedom of
> speech, there is something on my system that crosses almost everyone's
> lines of propriety. Whether or not I approve of child pornography,
> snuff pictures, or warez is totally irrelevant, I use the presence of
> these items coming into my system as a bell weather sign that the
> channels of free and anonymous speech are still open.
>
> Some might think that by allowing such material onto a public
> system, that I am helping to create a market for such material, and yes
> in fact some people will probably be moved to create and provide more of
> such things because of the market. But the market in dead and abused
> kids exists mainly because people refuse to talk about such things with
> their children, for fear that by talking about it, they will lead their
> children INTO it.
>
> Out of sight and out of mind.
>
> "If one does not talk about sin, no one will sin".
>
> Thus parents bring their children up in a well of silence, rather
> than teaching them at an early age, in gory detail, about the dangers of
> enforced and inhibited sex where the children could report abuse when it
> happened rather than keeping it to themselves and drowning it out.
>
> Therefore although I do not believe that snuff pictures are a good
> thing, nor do I believe that children should be sex slaves, I do believe
> that every picture on the planet of this stuff should be placed on the
> internet as fast as possible so that people will wake up to what life on
> Earth has become, even if it does create a momentary upsurge in the
> profits of and the market for this kind of material.
>
> I also find a terrible hypocrisy of people bitterly complaining
> about the sexual abuse of children, but never one word about the FOOD
> abuse of children. Most children suffer more abuse over the subject of
> food than they ever will over the subject of sex.
>
> Anyone who can't remember the taste of their mothers tits, is
> basically a child food abuse case of magnitude. But food abuse is a
> institutionalized insanity, EVERYBODY DOES IT, so its ok.
>
> I also find a terrible hypocrisy in the loud clamor about a few
> forged cancels, but not one word of complaint about the copyright
> violations that are being committed, including the violations in the
> porn groups, or the 200 megs of warez that come into my system every
> day.
>
> That's 200 megs of stolen software EVERY DAY.
>
> I guess people are too busy complaining about 4 or 5 cancels a day
> coming into a.r.s. to complain about 200 megs of warez a day coming
> into alt.binaries.ibm/mac.warez.
>
> You see posting a copyright violation of porn, or some dead girl
> with a dick up her, or the latest version of Microsoft Word is FREE
> SPEECH, but posting a defense against this stuff called a forged cancel,
> well there are no words for something as low as that.
>
> We certainly wouldn't want to deify it by calling it free speech
> too.
>
> The truth is people defend with great righteousness whatever their
> present addiction happens to be. If they need porn or warez or pictures
> of naked little girls they will be dead silent about those copyright
> violations; if they need church tech, they will scream bloody murder
> about how they have been too abused for words by forged cancels, even
> though they are merely the authors, or their assigns or friends
> defending themselves from financial ruin.
>
> Pointing out there are 'proper channels for making a complaint' is
> so vapid its not worth discussing.
>
> The screaming and yelling about forged cancels is called a DEDEX.
> It stands for DED EXPOSED. A DED is a prior act of unprovoked cruelty.
>
> It means you have done wrong, and now you are fabricating and
> exaggerating like hell in order to build up a wrong done to you AFTER
> THE FACT big enough to justify the wrong you did to others BEFORE THE
> FACT.
>
> Alas black holes can never be filled.
>
> The Churchies may be assholes, but they are right assholes on that
> point.
>
> Anyhow, in my opinion, right or wrong, legal tracking of forged
> cancellers will do more damage in the long run to freedom of speech than
> all the forged cancels in the whole world. As long as I believe that, I
> will authorize all cancels on my system, just as I authorize the porn,
> and the snuff, and the warez.
>
> They are all a bell weather sign that the channels of freedom are
> still open.
>
> Homer
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SUFFERING
SUFFERING
> I'd be interested in knowing when and what puts an end to your
>suffering.
So we are taught that suffering or its absence depends upon
conditions, mostly the survival of our body, and our loved ones, and our
survival assets.
If a person just starts to feel good out of the blue for no reason,
he might query how come the universe, which is so bad, has within it the
ability to feel good. But he also might just stop DOING anything as all
conditions on feeling good have been removed.
Otherwise a being feels good to the degree that he wins, and bad to
the degree that he loses, and since EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING dies one
day, at least while in carnation, loss wins in the end.
An OT (Operating Thetan, a higher being) once recommended that when
something bad happens to say "Oh isn't this wonderful!"
Right, ok I understand it in theory, but to actually FEEL wonderful
while some loved one or thing is being skinned alive and put out to
become an ant farm would take a God who was so pan determined nothing
mattered to him except the existing state of the world no matter WHAT it
was.
THE STORY OF MIRA
http://www.lightlink.com/homer/mira.jpg
One freezing cold Christmas eve many years ago, a little starving
black and white cat appeared in our bed room out of nowhere. She was so
skinny she looked like an Egyptian mummy and was probably only a few
days away from putting her head down in the cold snow for the last time.
We named her Mirabilis which is latin for miracle.
We fed her, put a radio collar on her, and I spent the next many
years of my life chasing her down everywhere she went, because she would
not stay home for more than 4 days. She couldn't take the other cats in
our home and she didn't like the city.
She came to us spade, warm, gentle, civilized, but clearly
abandoned, and very self competent in the wild wild world around her.
One cold rainy night, on December 12th, 2012, while crossing from
where she lived in the wild to where her nightly hunting fields were,
Mirabilis was hit by a car and crushed to death.
I spent 8 days looking for her high and low to no avail.
I went to everyone of 200 different places I knew she hung out and
had taken me to during the 5 years of tracking her daily.
I can't tell you how many places a cat will go that humans will
NEVER go, unless looking for a cat!
I called and called for her, for hours on end, I went up on the
mountain over looking the entire city hoping to hear the faintest beep
from her radio. I started to feel the insanity of never knowing what
happened to her, whether she was alive or dead, and dreaming that she
was there waiting for me every night.
I did not need this.
At the end of the 8th day, I was directed to her body through a
multiple series of almost miraculous serendipities.
I held Mira's crushed body in my arms for hours, took her home,
gave her a warm bath, thawed her out after 8 cold days on the side of
the road, felt the cracks in her skull, looked into her popped eyes that
used to bring me so much joy, light, love and attitude, and her back end
which was blown open with guts hanging out like a turkey, and her legs
badly smashed.
And many hours later I kissed her goodbye as Jane and I put her
body into the ground for the last time, and covered it with earth.
I cursed the Gods for not watching after her, but I thanked them
for leading me to her body, so I didn't spend the rest of eternity
searching for it in my mind and wondering if she was still alive and had
found somewhere, someone better to be with.
So I am asked to feel 'This is wonderful'.
Yes, if I invited the loss into the game, and invited myself into
the game, and Mira had invited herself into the same game with some
awareness of the consequences.
Awareness of tragedy and travesty, and high appreciation for
ludicrous demise.
But who in their right might would invite themselves into a meat
grinder game like a meat body in the physical universe?
So my sense of responsibility is negative, thus KRC and ARC are
negative.
KRC means Knowledge, Responsibility (being cause) and Control.
ARC means Affinity, Reality (Agreement) and Communication.
Negative ARC is called an ARC break with Source.
Source is that thing from which came all things that came.
ARC break = a sudden sundering of Affinity, Reality and
Communication on one or more dynamics.
The 8 dynamics are self, family, groups, mankind, animals/plants,
spirit and the Infinite.
As the poet said, "Love is all we know of Heaven, and Death all we
need of Hell."
My tendency would be to say anyone walking around claiming to not
have an ARC break with Source is a liar, and in a different place and
time one might dream of testing their wisdom and flaunted equanimity by
nailing them to a cross forthwith, let's see how close they are now to
their God.
Bring low those who pretend to be high who shed discount, contempt
and ridicule on the tears of our love.
"But Homer, it was just a cat!"
It?
Just?
Cats are gods sent to us to give us one last chance to fully love
again having failed so miserably with the humans around us.
Maybe just run "How do you feel about your endless future?" until
the glib "I'm fine!" bullshit blows, along with the wisdom strut.
Now anyone can shrink down to a bubble that excludes everything he
doesn't want to know about, including all those beings unnecessary to
his survival, so he doesn't have to feel bad about THEIR bad conditions,
and in this way he can conclude the world is a fine place.
But he gets out of his body, and starts to see everyone else, and
how far does he have to go to see a murder, rape, torture or violent
death take place? Does this not bother him to tears and distraction?
They are HIS friends being taken out, even if he pretends to not
know them, is he really going to be able to put it all there with
wonderfulness?
One problem with telepathy is hearing the continuous roar of other
people's desperation.
The bigger you are, the more things there are to bond with, and
thus the more losses per day you will suffer.
There is an inner radius of murder we call it, it is the size of a
sphere centered around any being inside of which at last one murder is
taking place. How far out do you have to go to find your first murder
going on?
The outer radius of murder is the size of sphere inside of which at
least one murder is ALWAYS taking place.
How big does a being have to get before he dares not get any
bigger?
Being in a body is nice, it has an awareness radius of 300 feet,
and anything out side of that isn't its problem. Until it becomes a
problem when the murder and mayhem come inside his radius of awareness.
We know that anchor points are those things we use to make space
and time stay out there.
Any communication terminal acts as an anchor point, one's body,
one's parents, one's siblings, one's friends, one's acquaintances, one's
locations of doing business, one's customers, clients and vendors.
Anything loved or detested.
Anywhere that pro survival two way communication or fair chosen
exchange takes place is a positive anchor point that creates places of
space and time for you because you have to create and operate across
that space and time to gain your survival benefit from it and to give it
back in return.
If you lose a customer to a competitor, then that customer anchor
point goes away, and every time you drive by their location that's one
more place you DO NOT have.
Your space gets smaller, as that will be one more place you won't
be going to any more, and the competitor becomes a negative anchor point
that makes you feel bad every time you go near them, in mind or in
body.
When you lose a positive anchor point, just that many slots in your
appointment book of the future become empty, as you won't be going there
to fix their system any more, talking to their billing department to get
paid, or consulting with them to see how things could be better.
Anything or anywhere that is dangerous to your survival or that of
your loved ones is a negative anchor point.
Anchor points also exist in time, there are temporal anchor points,
trivial ones like when you were born or graduated, but you have them all
up and down the time track way into the past and future, even beyond
this life and universe. Temporal anchor points are where you plan to
engage in a transaction with your spatial anchor points!
An important business meeting forms a temporal anchor point,
looking forward to visiting our friends or grandmother or anyone loved
forms temporal anchor points in the future. We call them appointments
in our appointment book in the sky.
We have a future worth looking forward to because we continue to
put temporal anchor points out there to look forward to them.
If a person isn't putting temporal anchor points out there to look
forward to, he doesn't have a future worth living.
Mira was a spatial anchor, a highly mobile one that touched
hundreds of different locations over 5 years with her presence, where I
daily hunted her down with the radio collar and every one of which I
remember as I pass them by, and each is drenched with the joy and relief
of having found and known her there and the sorrow that I will never see
her there again.
My daily treks to locate her and feed her a little something were
temporal anchor points that filled my days and promised to fill my
future appointment book long into the future.
My own religion tells me to cry now for the losses of the future,
the last days of anything I love, so when they come I can face them with
equipoise.
Mira had become part of my hope for the salvation of my soul from
the sorrow of death, because I knew one day she would die, and every day
I cried for that day to come. It just came way too early before I was
ready or had made any progress in the matter.
And although her death by cars was always a high anxiety in the
back of my mind, which is why it was always such a joy and relief to
find her every day, it was such a cold slap in the face when it did
happen, this could not be, not with *THIS* special cat.
This universe specializes in bringing low anything that is special
to anyone.
I saw Mira every day FOR YEARS, hunted her down by radio collar and
fed her. She was always in a different place, HER space was about 2
miles on a side, she took me into forests, mountain ways, alongside
rivers, into holes in the ground where NO ONE ever goes. My appointment
book was filled with her beingness, and my space was filled will all the
myriad locations she had been and might be again which I had to keep
track of in order to find her dependably.
Then one day her signal went silent.
This had happened before, she would go out of range into new
territories, or the battery would die on the radio, or the radio itself
would fail. I always managed to find her within a day or two, even
without the radio working because she would come back to her stable
haunting grounds.
But this time, I looked and I looked and looked, hundreds of places
she had been or might be, hoping the radio collar had merely gone dead.
That looking for, trying to find, was murder on my body, because of
the constant effort to get out and to remote view.
I started to go crazy from the idea that I would never find her,
never know if she was alive or dead, whether she was trapped and needed
help, why she had left, or if she had suffered long and hard before
dying alone, wondering why I didn't care any more enough to come for
her.
*THAT* is crazifying, to never know.
Out of serendipity, total chance, a friend tells me she would help
find the cat if I needed it. This was day 8. I took her to the general
area Mira lived in at the time, and again out of serendipity, total
chance, I asked someone working in a garage there if they had seen a
cat. First guy said no, second guy comes out of the back who had
overheard our conversation and says he had seen a dead one on the road
coming to work about a week back.
What did I feel? Wonderfulness?
Well there were lots of cats in the area, it could have been any
cat.
I went to the area he indicated to look for her, and as I was
walking up the side of the road I found the radio collar smashed to
pieces.
What did I feel? Wonderfulness?
Can you feel what I felt seeing the flattened collar?
I walked over to the other side of the road and there she was under
a bush where someone had kindly gotten out of their car to remove her
from the road.
What did I feel? Wonderfulness?
Was I able to 'put it there', the universe and everything in it as
it was?
At that moment my time track collapsed as my appointment book went
empty. I lost a HUGE number of spatial anchor points, thousands of them
as places I would no longer have any reason to visit.
Later when I did pass by a place like her main haunt, HUNDREDS of
memory images of her flooded me from the days when I had found her
there, each one different, images of her coming out running towards me,
or basking in the sunset during wine and cheese time.
500 different Miras running out from 500 different places to greet
me, and I can see all of them all at once.
And yet the one I want, THE REAL ONE, is not among them.
The being enters the memories of the departed and tries to grant
life back into the deceased.
These anchor points, once positive, turn to negative anchor points,
they no longer provide prosurvival benefit, but they are still dressed
with the feelings of older times.
I can run it out (experience it over and over again until no more
emotional charge is on the memory), but then I start forgetting about
Mira, she becomes like something that never happened, and I fail to
notice how much smaller my spacetime and operating arena have become.
I continue on as if nothing happened.
It is hard to get things you love, it is all too easy to lose them.
I am good at running out present time 'injuries' to my survival, I
been doing it for years as I lost my parents, lost all our big lightlink
customers one by one, and will eventually lose all my remaining cats and
Jane and finally my own body.
But when I let it come over me again and again during the day, or
the middle of the night, or when I am just done and tired with playing
the game "How you doing? Fine thank you.", I start crying and just let
it flow, crying is the only love I know.
I am not doing fine, and I haven't been doing fine for a god damn
awful long time, and I don't see how anyone is, except those too numb to
notice there are no tracks up ahead somewhere in their life of forward
motion.
* LIFE IS LOSS *
All start-change-stop cycles end in stop.
Let them scoff who whistle past the graveyard.
One might create new ones, but never like the ones that were lost.
Precious, unique, fragile and ephemeral.
No matter how many cats there are in the world, any relationship
between beings is precious, unique, fragile and ephemeral even when
there are an infinity of them.
MORE CATS IS JUST MORE LOSS, don't you see?
An infinite number of precious, unique, fragile and ephemeral cats
just more infinite loss into an infinite future.
What do we do, just run them out as they happen and forget them as
if they never happened?
Time doesn't heal, time BURIES.
Maybe we can run them out so they heal, but what becomes of us?
What becomes of our future except more dread and expectation of the
same thing?
Run "What do you expect of your future?" and see what happens.
Maybe I don't want to heal, maybe I need to be reminded that there is
something wrong with this world of Sabe (Sa-bay, impermanence), and that
the world of Dura (realm of permanence) escapes me.
I feel comfortable suffering, more human, because even though the
world of non suffering is God like, it is also alien, and I have no
recognizance of what it is like, OR WHAT IT MIGHT DO, nor any sense or
awareness of responsibility or choice to leave the sovereign state to
enter this state of despair.
Most people would prefer to live those lives of quiet desperation,
I prefer to keep the oceans full of tears.
This universe treats love like the ocean treats sand castles in the
sand. - Adore.com
Goodbye Mira, I love you so much, I will never stop crying after
you.
Homer
Fri Jan 11 10:24:47 EST 2013
02/07/13 Thursday 11:18pm EST
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> I'd be interested in knowing when and what puts an end to your
>suffering.
So we are taught that suffering or its absence depends upon
conditions, mostly the survival of our body, and our loved ones, and our
survival assets.
If a person just starts to feel good out of the blue for no reason,
he might query how come the universe, which is so bad, has within it the
ability to feel good. But he also might just stop DOING anything as all
conditions on feeling good have been removed.
Otherwise a being feels good to the degree that he wins, and bad to
the degree that he loses, and since EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING dies one
day, at least while in carnation, loss wins in the end.
An OT (Operating Thetan, a higher being) once recommended that when
something bad happens to say "Oh isn't this wonderful!"
Right, ok I understand it in theory, but to actually FEEL wonderful
while some loved one or thing is being skinned alive and put out to
become an ant farm would take a God who was so pan determined nothing
mattered to him except the existing state of the world no matter WHAT it
was.
THE STORY OF MIRA
http://www.lightlink.com/homer/mira.jpg
One freezing cold Christmas eve many years ago, a little starving
black and white cat appeared in our bed room out of nowhere. She was so
skinny she looked like an Egyptian mummy and was probably only a few
days away from putting her head down in the cold snow for the last time.
We named her Mirabilis which is latin for miracle.
We fed her, put a radio collar on her, and I spent the next many
years of my life chasing her down everywhere she went, because she would
not stay home for more than 4 days. She couldn't take the other cats in
our home and she didn't like the city.
She came to us spade, warm, gentle, civilized, but clearly
abandoned, and very self competent in the wild wild world around her.
One cold rainy night, on December 12th, 2012, while crossing from
where she lived in the wild to where her nightly hunting fields were,
Mirabilis was hit by a car and crushed to death.
I spent 8 days looking for her high and low to no avail.
I went to everyone of 200 different places I knew she hung out and
had taken me to during the 5 years of tracking her daily.
I can't tell you how many places a cat will go that humans will
NEVER go, unless looking for a cat!
I called and called for her, for hours on end, I went up on the
mountain over looking the entire city hoping to hear the faintest beep
from her radio. I started to feel the insanity of never knowing what
happened to her, whether she was alive or dead, and dreaming that she
was there waiting for me every night.
I did not need this.
At the end of the 8th day, I was directed to her body through a
multiple series of almost miraculous serendipities.
I held Mira's crushed body in my arms for hours, took her home,
gave her a warm bath, thawed her out after 8 cold days on the side of
the road, felt the cracks in her skull, looked into her popped eyes that
used to bring me so much joy, light, love and attitude, and her back end
which was blown open with guts hanging out like a turkey, and her legs
badly smashed.
And many hours later I kissed her goodbye as Jane and I put her
body into the ground for the last time, and covered it with earth.
I cursed the Gods for not watching after her, but I thanked them
for leading me to her body, so I didn't spend the rest of eternity
searching for it in my mind and wondering if she was still alive and had
found somewhere, someone better to be with.
So I am asked to feel 'This is wonderful'.
Yes, if I invited the loss into the game, and invited myself into
the game, and Mira had invited herself into the same game with some
awareness of the consequences.
Awareness of tragedy and travesty, and high appreciation for
ludicrous demise.
But who in their right might would invite themselves into a meat
grinder game like a meat body in the physical universe?
So my sense of responsibility is negative, thus KRC and ARC are
negative.
KRC means Knowledge, Responsibility (being cause) and Control.
ARC means Affinity, Reality (Agreement) and Communication.
Negative ARC is called an ARC break with Source.
Source is that thing from which came all things that came.
ARC break = a sudden sundering of Affinity, Reality and
Communication on one or more dynamics.
The 8 dynamics are self, family, groups, mankind, animals/plants,
spirit and the Infinite.
As the poet said, "Love is all we know of Heaven, and Death all we
need of Hell."
My tendency would be to say anyone walking around claiming to not
have an ARC break with Source is a liar, and in a different place and
time one might dream of testing their wisdom and flaunted equanimity by
nailing them to a cross forthwith, let's see how close they are now to
their God.
Bring low those who pretend to be high who shed discount, contempt
and ridicule on the tears of our love.
"But Homer, it was just a cat!"
It?
Just?
Cats are gods sent to us to give us one last chance to fully love
again having failed so miserably with the humans around us.
Maybe just run "How do you feel about your endless future?" until
the glib "I'm fine!" bullshit blows, along with the wisdom strut.
Now anyone can shrink down to a bubble that excludes everything he
doesn't want to know about, including all those beings unnecessary to
his survival, so he doesn't have to feel bad about THEIR bad conditions,
and in this way he can conclude the world is a fine place.
But he gets out of his body, and starts to see everyone else, and
how far does he have to go to see a murder, rape, torture or violent
death take place? Does this not bother him to tears and distraction?
They are HIS friends being taken out, even if he pretends to not
know them, is he really going to be able to put it all there with
wonderfulness?
One problem with telepathy is hearing the continuous roar of other
people's desperation.
The bigger you are, the more things there are to bond with, and
thus the more losses per day you will suffer.
There is an inner radius of murder we call it, it is the size of a
sphere centered around any being inside of which at last one murder is
taking place. How far out do you have to go to find your first murder
going on?
The outer radius of murder is the size of sphere inside of which at
least one murder is ALWAYS taking place.
How big does a being have to get before he dares not get any
bigger?
Being in a body is nice, it has an awareness radius of 300 feet,
and anything out side of that isn't its problem. Until it becomes a
problem when the murder and mayhem come inside his radius of awareness.
We know that anchor points are those things we use to make space
and time stay out there.
Any communication terminal acts as an anchor point, one's body,
one's parents, one's siblings, one's friends, one's acquaintances, one's
locations of doing business, one's customers, clients and vendors.
Anything loved or detested.
Anywhere that pro survival two way communication or fair chosen
exchange takes place is a positive anchor point that creates places of
space and time for you because you have to create and operate across
that space and time to gain your survival benefit from it and to give it
back in return.
If you lose a customer to a competitor, then that customer anchor
point goes away, and every time you drive by their location that's one
more place you DO NOT have.
Your space gets smaller, as that will be one more place you won't
be going to any more, and the competitor becomes a negative anchor point
that makes you feel bad every time you go near them, in mind or in
body.
When you lose a positive anchor point, just that many slots in your
appointment book of the future become empty, as you won't be going there
to fix their system any more, talking to their billing department to get
paid, or consulting with them to see how things could be better.
Anything or anywhere that is dangerous to your survival or that of
your loved ones is a negative anchor point.
Anchor points also exist in time, there are temporal anchor points,
trivial ones like when you were born or graduated, but you have them all
up and down the time track way into the past and future, even beyond
this life and universe. Temporal anchor points are where you plan to
engage in a transaction with your spatial anchor points!
An important business meeting forms a temporal anchor point,
looking forward to visiting our friends or grandmother or anyone loved
forms temporal anchor points in the future. We call them appointments
in our appointment book in the sky.
We have a future worth looking forward to because we continue to
put temporal anchor points out there to look forward to them.
If a person isn't putting temporal anchor points out there to look
forward to, he doesn't have a future worth living.
Mira was a spatial anchor, a highly mobile one that touched
hundreds of different locations over 5 years with her presence, where I
daily hunted her down with the radio collar and every one of which I
remember as I pass them by, and each is drenched with the joy and relief
of having found and known her there and the sorrow that I will never see
her there again.
My daily treks to locate her and feed her a little something were
temporal anchor points that filled my days and promised to fill my
future appointment book long into the future.
My own religion tells me to cry now for the losses of the future,
the last days of anything I love, so when they come I can face them with
equipoise.
Mira had become part of my hope for the salvation of my soul from
the sorrow of death, because I knew one day she would die, and every day
I cried for that day to come. It just came way too early before I was
ready or had made any progress in the matter.
And although her death by cars was always a high anxiety in the
back of my mind, which is why it was always such a joy and relief to
find her every day, it was such a cold slap in the face when it did
happen, this could not be, not with *THIS* special cat.
This universe specializes in bringing low anything that is special
to anyone.
I saw Mira every day FOR YEARS, hunted her down by radio collar and
fed her. She was always in a different place, HER space was about 2
miles on a side, she took me into forests, mountain ways, alongside
rivers, into holes in the ground where NO ONE ever goes. My appointment
book was filled with her beingness, and my space was filled will all the
myriad locations she had been and might be again which I had to keep
track of in order to find her dependably.
Then one day her signal went silent.
This had happened before, she would go out of range into new
territories, or the battery would die on the radio, or the radio itself
would fail. I always managed to find her within a day or two, even
without the radio working because she would come back to her stable
haunting grounds.
But this time, I looked and I looked and looked, hundreds of places
she had been or might be, hoping the radio collar had merely gone dead.
That looking for, trying to find, was murder on my body, because of
the constant effort to get out and to remote view.
I started to go crazy from the idea that I would never find her,
never know if she was alive or dead, whether she was trapped and needed
help, why she had left, or if she had suffered long and hard before
dying alone, wondering why I didn't care any more enough to come for
her.
*THAT* is crazifying, to never know.
Out of serendipity, total chance, a friend tells me she would help
find the cat if I needed it. This was day 8. I took her to the general
area Mira lived in at the time, and again out of serendipity, total
chance, I asked someone working in a garage there if they had seen a
cat. First guy said no, second guy comes out of the back who had
overheard our conversation and says he had seen a dead one on the road
coming to work about a week back.
What did I feel? Wonderfulness?
Well there were lots of cats in the area, it could have been any
cat.
I went to the area he indicated to look for her, and as I was
walking up the side of the road I found the radio collar smashed to
pieces.
What did I feel? Wonderfulness?
Can you feel what I felt seeing the flattened collar?
I walked over to the other side of the road and there she was under
a bush where someone had kindly gotten out of their car to remove her
from the road.
What did I feel? Wonderfulness?
Was I able to 'put it there', the universe and everything in it as
it was?
At that moment my time track collapsed as my appointment book went
empty. I lost a HUGE number of spatial anchor points, thousands of them
as places I would no longer have any reason to visit.
Later when I did pass by a place like her main haunt, HUNDREDS of
memory images of her flooded me from the days when I had found her
there, each one different, images of her coming out running towards me,
or basking in the sunset during wine and cheese time.
500 different Miras running out from 500 different places to greet
me, and I can see all of them all at once.
And yet the one I want, THE REAL ONE, is not among them.
The being enters the memories of the departed and tries to grant
life back into the deceased.
These anchor points, once positive, turn to negative anchor points,
they no longer provide prosurvival benefit, but they are still dressed
with the feelings of older times.
I can run it out (experience it over and over again until no more
emotional charge is on the memory), but then I start forgetting about
Mira, she becomes like something that never happened, and I fail to
notice how much smaller my spacetime and operating arena have become.
I continue on as if nothing happened.
It is hard to get things you love, it is all too easy to lose them.
I am good at running out present time 'injuries' to my survival, I
been doing it for years as I lost my parents, lost all our big lightlink
customers one by one, and will eventually lose all my remaining cats and
Jane and finally my own body.
But when I let it come over me again and again during the day, or
the middle of the night, or when I am just done and tired with playing
the game "How you doing? Fine thank you.", I start crying and just let
it flow, crying is the only love I know.
I am not doing fine, and I haven't been doing fine for a god damn
awful long time, and I don't see how anyone is, except those too numb to
notice there are no tracks up ahead somewhere in their life of forward
motion.
* LIFE IS LOSS *
All start-change-stop cycles end in stop.
Let them scoff who whistle past the graveyard.
One might create new ones, but never like the ones that were lost.
Precious, unique, fragile and ephemeral.
No matter how many cats there are in the world, any relationship
between beings is precious, unique, fragile and ephemeral even when
there are an infinity of them.
MORE CATS IS JUST MORE LOSS, don't you see?
An infinite number of precious, unique, fragile and ephemeral cats
just more infinite loss into an infinite future.
What do we do, just run them out as they happen and forget them as
if they never happened?
Time doesn't heal, time BURIES.
Maybe we can run them out so they heal, but what becomes of us?
What becomes of our future except more dread and expectation of the
same thing?
Run "What do you expect of your future?" and see what happens.
Maybe I don't want to heal, maybe I need to be reminded that there is
something wrong with this world of Sabe (Sa-bay, impermanence), and that
the world of Dura (realm of permanence) escapes me.
I feel comfortable suffering, more human, because even though the
world of non suffering is God like, it is also alien, and I have no
recognizance of what it is like, OR WHAT IT MIGHT DO, nor any sense or
awareness of responsibility or choice to leave the sovereign state to
enter this state of despair.
Most people would prefer to live those lives of quiet desperation,
I prefer to keep the oceans full of tears.
This universe treats love like the ocean treats sand castles in the
sand. - Adore.com
Goodbye Mira, I love you so much, I will never stop crying after
you.
Homer
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02/07/13 Thursday 11:18pm EST
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THE THREE GREAT TRUTHS OF ADORE
THE THREE GREAT TRUTHS OF ADORE
Over the years, Adore has grown through three great truths.
THE PROOF
The first truth is, in the physical universe of space and time, the
only way one object can learn about another object across a space/time
distance, is through being the effect of the other object. You can't
learn about something that doesn't effect you in any way. Since effects
do not prove cause, this lead to "The Machine Certainty Theorem"
otherwise known as The Proof, which states that certainty of cause
across a space time distance is impossible.
LAW OF NOBILITY
The second great truth was the Law of Nobility, which said that a
man will never strive to a higher level of nobility than the nobility of
the universe he conceived created him. That may be a hard one to
swallow, but it says that nobility can not exist on the first dynamic
alone and if it is missing on the 8th, it will decay on the 7th through
1st. This lead to the idea that if one finds greater nobility in one
self than in the universe around him, one must continue to seek that
same nobility in one's conception of the Cosmic All, or else that
nobility will ultimately go to waste.
This mandates that we rewrite our conception of the Cosmic All
until it becomes worthy of the nobility we find inside ourselves.
Hubbard said it in other words, that one becomes what one fears if
one loses to it. Trying to be more noble than the apparently 'ignoble'
universe that created one is a losing game, thus ultimately all such
people go into the valence of the ignoble universe and begin to act
accordingly. Someone in the valence of the physical universe is hard to
be around. One audits this by auditing one's conception of the Cosmic
All to restore nobility on all 8 dynamics.
Only then can one rise to one's own native worth.
"Cancerous views of reality lead to cancerous conditions in body,
heart, mind and soul. What grows in your life like a cancer?" - Adore
LAW OF DISSATISFACTION or THE WAY IN IS THE WAY OUT
The third and most subtle truth of Adore was that no further truth
could ever make you satisfied with a truth that you were dissatisfied
with now, otherwise known as the 'make up for' law.
For example the religiously insane will tell you that when you get
to Heaven God will make up for all the pain you suffered in this life.
You see, that's a later good resolving a prior bad. It will never
happen. NO MATTER WHAT GOD DOES FOR YOU. Certain things can not be
'made up for'.
Having looked at my pain for 30 years I have determined that no
further ANYTHING will ever make up for my pain in this life, and thus
the existence of God and heaven and hell becomes moot. Going to heaven
or hell just becomes another incident in a long line of incidents that
need to be resolved.
The odd idea that comes out of this is that each incident of pain,
MUST contain within it an unspotted truth that will resolve that pain
and make it worthwhile. Note this does not mean 'make up for the pain'.
The incident ITSELF BECOMES WORTHWHILE AND JUSTIFIED EXPERIENCING. It
means once the true truth of the incident becomes known, the pain ITSELF
BECOMES BEAUTIFUL, turns into humor, and blows off as joy/sorrow and
peace.
Not only is one GLAD it happened, but one is willing to have it
happen again. No lesson learned. Lessons are alter-is to make sure
something doesn't happen again. Lessons are trauma scaring over.
Thus each incident contains within it the seed of its own
resolution, one need not and MUST not look elsewhere, to some OTHER
later, bigger or stronger truth, to make up for the 'truth' of the pain
that one suffered.
No FURTHER truth will ever make you satisfied with a TRUTH that you
are dissatisfied with now. Thus what you are dissatisfied with now can
not be the truth. From this one can conclude that once the total truth
is known, total satisfaction with all things everywhere will result.
Total OKness.
This renders a God who purveys heavens or hells even less relevant,
as the whole solution to my existence and suffering is an issue between
me and myself and my awareness of truth at the time.
It has nothing to do with anyone or anything else!
"As for God, who hired him a and what are we paying him for?" -
Adore.
One can draw from this, that the Cosmic All is the best of all
possible universes, that we have exactly what we wanted at one time or
another. Perhaps it is time to change our minds about what we want, but
WE CAN NEVER GET RID OF ANYTHING BAD, something we couldn't have,
wouldn't have, shouldn't have wanted or created.
One can only get rid of something that one appreciated in the
creation of it, and see that appreciation now.
Thus what one can appreciate in all its glorious horror, one
can get rid of now because one can and is willing to totally put it
there now.
Total control creating something is and gives one total control to
not created. Nothing can persist on its own!
Thus justice reigns at all times. Justice is, you get what you
postulate.
Just as God created the light and saw it was good, just so we
created any condition we are in and saw it was good at the time. Only
by seeing how it was and still may be good, and might be good again, can
we then get rid of it, as-is it. Just because it no longer serves a
good purpose to have the condition, doesn't mean it isn't a good ability
to be able to create and destroy that condition at will! It is an
EXCELLENT ability in fact, one can't survive long term without it. So
don't eschew disability just because it is not presently useful. Pack
it up instead for a later day.
IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME OF CREATION AND MUST BE GOOD AGAIN AT THE
TIME OF DESTRUCTION, THROUGH AS-ISNESS.
Just remember being good doesn't mean the disability should
still be in play in present time, only that it was considered a good
idea at the time, and may have been necessary to your survival. It may
STILL BE necessary to your survival, so watch out, if you regain
awareness of a disability is good, it will start to as-is on you
whether you want it to or not.
One only uses force to destroy 'bad' things, which results in
eternal persistence of parts of bad things.
Thus one can only really get rid of something that is good!
As long as one considers various conditions unconditionally bad
they will persist forever because that isn't the truth of their
creation.
Homer
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Over the years, Adore has grown through three great truths.
THE PROOF
The first truth is, in the physical universe of space and time, the
only way one object can learn about another object across a space/time
distance, is through being the effect of the other object. You can't
learn about something that doesn't effect you in any way. Since effects
do not prove cause, this lead to "The Machine Certainty Theorem"
otherwise known as The Proof, which states that certainty of cause
across a space time distance is impossible.
LAW OF NOBILITY
The second great truth was the Law of Nobility, which said that a
man will never strive to a higher level of nobility than the nobility of
the universe he conceived created him. That may be a hard one to
swallow, but it says that nobility can not exist on the first dynamic
alone and if it is missing on the 8th, it will decay on the 7th through
1st. This lead to the idea that if one finds greater nobility in one
self than in the universe around him, one must continue to seek that
same nobility in one's conception of the Cosmic All, or else that
nobility will ultimately go to waste.
This mandates that we rewrite our conception of the Cosmic All
until it becomes worthy of the nobility we find inside ourselves.
Hubbard said it in other words, that one becomes what one fears if
one loses to it. Trying to be more noble than the apparently 'ignoble'
universe that created one is a losing game, thus ultimately all such
people go into the valence of the ignoble universe and begin to act
accordingly. Someone in the valence of the physical universe is hard to
be around. One audits this by auditing one's conception of the Cosmic
All to restore nobility on all 8 dynamics.
Only then can one rise to one's own native worth.
"Cancerous views of reality lead to cancerous conditions in body,
heart, mind and soul. What grows in your life like a cancer?" - Adore
LAW OF DISSATISFACTION or THE WAY IN IS THE WAY OUT
The third and most subtle truth of Adore was that no further truth
could ever make you satisfied with a truth that you were dissatisfied
with now, otherwise known as the 'make up for' law.
For example the religiously insane will tell you that when you get
to Heaven God will make up for all the pain you suffered in this life.
You see, that's a later good resolving a prior bad. It will never
happen. NO MATTER WHAT GOD DOES FOR YOU. Certain things can not be
'made up for'.
Having looked at my pain for 30 years I have determined that no
further ANYTHING will ever make up for my pain in this life, and thus
the existence of God and heaven and hell becomes moot. Going to heaven
or hell just becomes another incident in a long line of incidents that
need to be resolved.
The odd idea that comes out of this is that each incident of pain,
MUST contain within it an unspotted truth that will resolve that pain
and make it worthwhile. Note this does not mean 'make up for the pain'.
The incident ITSELF BECOMES WORTHWHILE AND JUSTIFIED EXPERIENCING. It
means once the true truth of the incident becomes known, the pain ITSELF
BECOMES BEAUTIFUL, turns into humor, and blows off as joy/sorrow and
peace.
Not only is one GLAD it happened, but one is willing to have it
happen again. No lesson learned. Lessons are alter-is to make sure
something doesn't happen again. Lessons are trauma scaring over.
Thus each incident contains within it the seed of its own
resolution, one need not and MUST not look elsewhere, to some OTHER
later, bigger or stronger truth, to make up for the 'truth' of the pain
that one suffered.
No FURTHER truth will ever make you satisfied with a TRUTH that you
are dissatisfied with now. Thus what you are dissatisfied with now can
not be the truth. From this one can conclude that once the total truth
is known, total satisfaction with all things everywhere will result.
Total OKness.
This renders a God who purveys heavens or hells even less relevant,
as the whole solution to my existence and suffering is an issue between
me and myself and my awareness of truth at the time.
It has nothing to do with anyone or anything else!
"As for God, who hired him a and what are we paying him for?" -
Adore.
One can draw from this, that the Cosmic All is the best of all
possible universes, that we have exactly what we wanted at one time or
another. Perhaps it is time to change our minds about what we want, but
WE CAN NEVER GET RID OF ANYTHING BAD, something we couldn't have,
wouldn't have, shouldn't have wanted or created.
One can only get rid of something that one appreciated in the
creation of it, and see that appreciation now.
Thus what one can appreciate in all its glorious horror, one
can get rid of now because one can and is willing to totally put it
there now.
Total control creating something is and gives one total control to
not created. Nothing can persist on its own!
Thus justice reigns at all times. Justice is, you get what you
postulate.
Just as God created the light and saw it was good, just so we
created any condition we are in and saw it was good at the time. Only
by seeing how it was and still may be good, and might be good again, can
we then get rid of it, as-is it. Just because it no longer serves a
good purpose to have the condition, doesn't mean it isn't a good ability
to be able to create and destroy that condition at will! It is an
EXCELLENT ability in fact, one can't survive long term without it. So
don't eschew disability just because it is not presently useful. Pack
it up instead for a later day.
IT WAS GOOD AT THE TIME OF CREATION AND MUST BE GOOD AGAIN AT THE
TIME OF DESTRUCTION, THROUGH AS-ISNESS.
Just remember being good doesn't mean the disability should
still be in play in present time, only that it was considered a good
idea at the time, and may have been necessary to your survival. It may
STILL BE necessary to your survival, so watch out, if you regain
awareness of a disability is good, it will start to as-is on you
whether you want it to or not.
One only uses force to destroy 'bad' things, which results in
eternal persistence of parts of bad things.
Thus one can only really get rid of something that is good!
As long as one considers various conditions unconditionally bad
they will persist forever because that isn't the truth of their
creation.
Homer
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homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
Wed Feb 22 15:16:49 EST 2006
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COULDN'T, WOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T CASES
Scientology is NOT trying to turn people into couldn't, wouldn't
shouldn't cases, ie good people.
It is trying to run OUT the couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't case, so
the being is willing and able to be anything that can be.
Hubbard once said that if you are confronted by someone who wants
to do you harm, the OT thing to do is to exteriorize, go behind his
head, BECOME HIM, and make him walk away.
You don't talk to him, you don't shun him, you don't fight him, you
don't give him reasons why, you don't beg, plead and cry, you don't
shoot back, you don't give him valium or call the police or have him put
away. You don't DO anything to him. You BECOME him, and do something
else instead.
This presents an interesting dilemma in Ethics, for the ethics of a
human are not the ethics of an OT.
OT's choose to become human, what human would choose to become
human?
Being unethical for a human is being not good.
Being unethical for an OT is failing to put there or recast
themselves as anything that is casted for them that they don't like, as
such failure leads to its persistence.
This persistence is based on an out integrity, and out wholeness, a
refusal to access the AllThatIs and recast anything that can be. It is
saying instead, I am not the AllThatIs, I can not access the AllThatIs,
and I can not recast what the AllThatIs has casted for me.
I can not recast ME as what the AllThatIs has casted me for me.
Ethics for an OT is in fact the opposite of ethics for a Human.
Being human is itself a state of unethics for an OT because a human
solves bad things by NOT putting there or recasting things it detests
but by DOING something about them instead (Q&A) which DEFINES out ethics
for an OT.
To human ears that is going to sound really odd, but to OT ears,
who can vanish things merely by withdrawing attention, it is the only
way to be. That is HOW they can vanish and heal at a glance.
If you want something, you put it there.
If you dont want something, you cease putting it there.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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COULDN'T, WOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T CASES
Scientology is NOT trying to turn people into couldn't, wouldn't
shouldn't cases, ie good people.
It is trying to run OUT the couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't case, so
the being is willing and able to be anything that can be.
Hubbard once said that if you are confronted by someone who wants
to do you harm, the OT thing to do is to exteriorize, go behind his
head, BECOME HIM, and make him walk away.
You don't talk to him, you don't shun him, you don't fight him, you
don't give him reasons why, you don't beg, plead and cry, you don't
shoot back, you don't give him valium or call the police or have him put
away. You don't DO anything to him. You BECOME him, and do something
else instead.
This presents an interesting dilemma in Ethics, for the ethics of a
human are not the ethics of an OT.
OT's choose to become human, what human would choose to become
human?
Being unethical for a human is being not good.
Being unethical for an OT is failing to put there or recast
themselves as anything that is casted for them that they don't like, as
such failure leads to its persistence.
This persistence is based on an out integrity, and out wholeness, a
refusal to access the AllThatIs and recast anything that can be. It is
saying instead, I am not the AllThatIs, I can not access the AllThatIs,
and I can not recast what the AllThatIs has casted for me.
I can not recast ME as what the AllThatIs has casted me for me.
Ethics for an OT is in fact the opposite of ethics for a Human.
Being human is itself a state of unethics for an OT because a human
solves bad things by NOT putting there or recasting things it detests
but by DOING something about them instead (Q&A) which DEFINES out ethics
for an OT.
To human ears that is going to sound really odd, but to OT ears,
who can vanish things merely by withdrawing attention, it is the only
way to be. That is HOW they can vanish and heal at a glance.
If you want something, you put it there.
If you dont want something, you cease putting it there.
Homer
Fri Oct 2 17:55:41 EDT 2015
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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