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BLIND MEATBALLS
There are lots of times a being can have evidence for something
that he can not show others.
Beings can have all kinds of experiences and awarenesses that give
them high probability that the spiritual world exists but will be
utterly incapapble of showing those events to another.
A being can prove things TO HIMSELF. Even then one might argue
that applicability to the out there world is still open to question.
But if a being can get out of his body, go visit corporate board rooms,
get inside information on stock movements, come back into the body,
invest and win, and do this repeatedly, then who cares if anyone else
knows about it. He has proven he is effectively out relative to his
body to his own survival satisfaction.
The ethics of doing this however is another matter.
The meatball will scream that if you can't show it to him, then it
either doesn't exist, is an hallucination or doesn't count as
'scientific'.
That's fine but at some point you will have to realize that being
'scientific' isn't the be all and end all of existence.
Finding and knowing the truth is.
Very good science can attain very good results and still be
unshowable to others because of their own mental, emotional, physical or
spiritual limitations.
Truth has nothing to do with others.
The highest truth about others would be a perfect certainty that
they even exist.
The exitence of all peers is unpeer reviewed.
It is tempting to say that observations are always certain, and you
have observed that others exist just as you do.
But when the apparatus of observation itself is based on theory,
then observations made through that theory become themselves merely
theory.
Remember that learning about causes different or separated from you
by space, time or nature, never produce a certainty but only an
uncertain theory for the rest of time.
The way you know YOU exist through self luminous consciousness, and
the way you know OTHERS exist through causal pathways along concourses
of stone and meat, are two completely different ball games.
Your own existence is a direct observation, it can't be wrong.
Other's existence is a scientific theory at best, until you have
directly seen the consciousness of another.
How can you certifiy that a peer exists if you haven't any
certified peers yet to corroborate your theory that peers exist?
Usually the first peer to be certified as existing, is certified
without corroboration of others, out of desperation.
Someone has to get the 'scientific' ball rolling.
You see someone new, so you ask the guy next to you if they see him
too. But how do you know the guy next to you isn't a hallucination
helping you certify other hallucinations?
Formal science ignores this problem completely, and every science
can be traced down to its first uncertified peer.
All you know for sure is you and what you are conscious of exists,
so in the end you are alone with your truth.
A meatball is to some extent in the position of a person blind from
birth who can not see nor imagine color.
So you say 'I see a red car', and the blind person says "prove it!"
You say, "Well I can't show you the red because you are blind."
So the blind person says "How do you know you aren't imagining or
hallucinating the red car."
You say "Well I don't, but the halluincation is still red, and I
still see it!"
Or you say "You know back in 1973 I saw Goober do something
indicating the government was in on the drug trade in cocaine."
Someone else says "Prove it!"
Well you can't show him what you saw, the only evidence remaining
is your crystal clear memory.
The point is you have evidence where others don't, and you have to
call the shots in your world according to your experiences regardless of
other's involvement in replicating them.
Maybe some truths will or should always be replicatable by others,
but depending on the truth and the quality of your uncertified peers, it
may be a very long time between now and then.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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GOD MAN WOMAN CHILD
Oriental wisdom gives us yin and yang, male and female etc.
They are drawn as two complementing figures that make a whole.
Adore takes exception to this for two basic reasons.
First the figures are drawn as if they are equal in size.
Secondly Adore claims there are 4 aspects rather than 2.
The 4 aspects form concentric rings of support much as the dynamics
are presented in Hymn of Asia.
Child is in the middle, surrounded by woman, surrounded by man,
surrounded by God.
But then the God is surrounded again by the child at the next level
out. So the concentricity goes outward almost forever, as one expands
into bigger and bigger game spheres.
There are physical women in male phases, and men in female phases,
and both in child and god phases of their particular endeavors.
There are also men in higher and lower grades, so although both are
male phase, one is seriously advanced over the other, being multiple
groups of 4 ahead of the other.
Notice that a woman in a higher group of 4 is more advanced than
ANYONE in a lower group of 4, God, Man, Woman or Child.
Adore does make a statement about dependency between each of the
phases within a group which is highly unacceptable to those that like to
think God = man = woman = child.
The child is more dependent on the female than the female is
dependent on the child. The female takes her purpose from the child
(the child's needs).
The female (with child) is more dependent on the male than the male
is on the female. The male takes his purpose from the female.
The male (with female with child) is more dependent on the God than
the God is on the male. The God takes his purpose from the male.
The God is more dependent on the child at the next level up, than
the child is dependent on the God at the previous level down. The
higher child takes his purpose from the lower God.
But the real point of controversy is Adore's statement that the 4
phases are about relative ability within each group.
The woman is more able than the child.
The man is more able than the woman.
The God is more able than the man.
The child at the next level up is more able than the God at the
previous level down.
If you think of child, woman, man and God as phases of mastery in
any particular area rather than physical bodies, it really does make a
lot of sense.
From this point of view, there are as many women who are more able
than men, as there are men who are more able than women.
But there are also children more able than men, women or Gods.
The being enters a brand new area in a state of total
irresponsibility, he has no clue what is going on, and had no prior
cause in it. In order to master his childhood, he has to master that
scene of total irresponsibility. Children learn by mimicry.
The being then needs to learn how to defend, not only themselves
but other child phase beings in their care. This is the woman phase
which when mastered becomes master of defense. Women learn through
harmony, harmonizing.
The being then needs to learn how to offend, how to seek danger
before it find him. This is the male phase which when mastered becomes
master of offense. Men learn through counterpoint.
The being then needs to learn how to create the game sphere he is
in. This is the God phase which when mastered becomes master of total
responsibility. From this the God can then create, find or enter the
next sphere of total irresponsibility at the next level up. The God
seeks a new beat.
"Mimicry, harmony, counterpoint and newbeat are musical terms
relating to the CO JAM of life." - Adore
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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GOD MAN WOMAN CHILD
Oriental wisdom gives us yin and yang, male and female etc.
They are drawn as two complementing figures that make a whole.
Adore takes exception to this for two basic reasons.
First the figures are drawn as if they are equal in size.
Secondly Adore claims there are 4 aspects rather than 2.
The 4 aspects form concentric rings of support much as the dynamics
are presented in Hymn of Asia.
Child is in the middle, surrounded by woman, surrounded by man,
surrounded by God.
But then the God is surrounded again by the child at the next level
out. So the concentricity goes outward almost forever, as one expands
into bigger and bigger game spheres.
There are physical women in male phases, and men in female phases,
and both in child and god phases of their particular endeavors.
There are also men in higher and lower grades, so although both are
male phase, one is seriously advanced over the other, being multiple
groups of 4 ahead of the other.
Notice that a woman in a higher group of 4 is more advanced than
ANYONE in a lower group of 4, God, Man, Woman or Child.
Adore does make a statement about dependency between each of the
phases within a group which is highly unacceptable to those that like to
think God = man = woman = child.
The child is more dependent on the female than the female is
dependent on the child. The female takes her purpose from the child
(the child's needs).
The female (with child) is more dependent on the male than the male
is on the female. The male takes his purpose from the female.
The male (with female with child) is more dependent on the God than
the God is on the male. The God takes his purpose from the male.
The God is more dependent on the child at the next level up, than
the child is dependent on the God at the previous level down. The
higher child takes his purpose from the lower God.
But the real point of controversy is Adore's statement that the 4
phases are about relative ability within each group.
The woman is more able than the child.
The man is more able than the woman.
The God is more able than the man.
The child at the next level up is more able than the God at the
previous level down.
If you think of child, woman, man and God as phases of mastery in
any particular area rather than physical bodies, it really does make a
lot of sense.
From this point of view, there are as many women who are more able
than men, as there are men who are more able than women.
But there are also children more able than men, women or Gods.
The being enters a brand new area in a state of total
irresponsibility, he has no clue what is going on, and had no prior
cause in it. In order to master his childhood, he has to master that
scene of total irresponsibility. Children learn by mimicry.
The being then needs to learn how to defend, not only themselves
but other child phase beings in their care. This is the woman phase
which when mastered becomes master of defense. Women learn through
harmony, harmonizing.
The being then needs to learn how to offend, how to seek danger
before it find him. This is the male phase which when mastered becomes
master of offense. Men learn through counterpoint.
The being then needs to learn how to create the game sphere he is
in. This is the God phase which when mastered becomes master of total
responsibility. From this the God can then create, find or enter the
next sphere of total irresponsibility at the next level up. The God
seeks a new beat.
"Mimicry, harmony, counterpoint and newbeat are musical terms
relating to the CO JAM of life." - Adore
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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DREAMS
((This posting depends heavily on the ideas of symbols and
referents, a full discussion of which can be found at
The Proof
http://www.lightlink.com/theproof
Without understanding symbols and referents clearly, this
posting won't make any sense.))
There are actually very few differences between sleep dreams and
the waking state.
Both are projections of virtual space/time realities in
consciousness.
In both the dreamer can be either lucid or non lucid.
Non lucid means implied referents are more real and important to
the dreamer than the conscious symbols that refer to them.
Lucid means conscious symbols are taken as the primary actuality
which they are (along of course with the perceiver of the symbols).
Non lucid means the being deals with uncertain and unprovable
referents.
Lucid means the being deals only in the perfect certainties of his
conscious symbols.
There are other dreamers both in our sleep dreams and in our waking
dream.
Our control over either sleep or waking dreams ranges from total to
none depending on the situation and our cognition level.
The process of going OT is the process regaining lucidity in the
sleep and waking dreams, and regaining direct causative power over both
of them.
The implied referent does not in fact exist, and if it did there
would never be any way to know it did because all we can observe are our
conscious symbols of it.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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DREAMS
((This posting depends heavily on the ideas of symbols and
referents, a full discussion of which can be found at
The Proof
http://www.lightlink.com/theproof
Without understanding symbols and referents clearly, this
posting won't make any sense.))
There are actually very few differences between sleep dreams and
the waking state.
Both are projections of virtual space/time realities in
consciousness.
In both the dreamer can be either lucid or non lucid.
Non lucid means implied referents are more real and important to
the dreamer than the conscious symbols that refer to them.
Lucid means conscious symbols are taken as the primary actuality
which they are (along of course with the perceiver of the symbols).
Non lucid means the being deals with uncertain and unprovable
referents.
Lucid means the being deals only in the perfect certainties of his
conscious symbols.
There are other dreamers both in our sleep dreams and in our waking
dream.
Our control over either sleep or waking dreams ranges from total to
none depending on the situation and our cognition level.
The process of going OT is the process regaining lucidity in the
sleep and waking dreams, and regaining direct causative power over both
of them.
The implied referent does not in fact exist, and if it did there
would never be any way to know it did because all we can observe are our
conscious symbols of it.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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((My comments in double parentheses - Homer))
GROUND ZERO
ACT - 85
19 January 1995
Copyright (C) 1994 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
Helena Kobrin wrote:
> We are not committed to pursuing the "remove group" message to
>deal with the problem if it is not the appropriate method. If anyone
>has other viable solutions for eliminating the violations of property
>rights, we'd be interested to know what they are.
A most reasonable letter. And here indeed is the crux of the
matter.
Before the invention of the printing press, there wasn't a lot of
publishing except by hand. Once the printing press came into existence
wide spread publishing came into being, and publishers of course vied
with each other for author's works and exclusivity.
It was in this atmosphere of early Royal Britain that copyrights
were first created, not by the authors but by the publishers. The
purpose of the copyright was not to protect the author's rights, but to
protect the publishers rights! And secondarily to give the Sovereign
King total censorship control over what people wrote, because if you
didn't have a publisher you couldn't print, and the King kept a tight
rein on the publishers.
The author's of course didn't mind the protection that copyrights
afforded them too, they were already owned and operated by their
publishers, and so what was good for the publisher was good for the
author.
Now the point is that during the time that copyrights were first
conceived until recently, publishing was a hard business. It was almost
impossible to print a book without lots of capital, and then getting it
distributed was even harder. This whole process took enormous amounts
of time and energy and money, and so the publishers continued to own the
day and control the authors.
Then one day the internet comes along, and suddenly everyone is a
publisher. Suddenly the printing and distribution of written works
became easier than just about any other activity in life except maybe
breathing, by a factor of 10.
One can still encode one's works and 'sell' them only to those who
pay for them, giving them a secret key to decode the work on their
computer, but once they have it, what's to stop them from uploading it
to the internet and disseminating it to the Free Winds?
If you are a publisher, or even an author, this is one's worst
nightmare come true. And if one takes a look at the internet from the
publisher's point of view, certainly the internet was not designed
correctly. An ideal internet FOR A PUBLISHER is one where everyone is
traceable AND NO ONE CAN POST WITHOUT PERMISSION. At least everyone
should be traceable, that way you can prosecute people after the fact of
a violation.
But frankly traceability after the fact is not really sufficient.
In the real world world of books and trucks and tons of paper and slow
moving cycles of action, it takes time to make and distribute copies,
and almost always money of some sort is involved, so when you catch the
guy and put him out of business after the fact of his first copy,
chances are only a limited number of copies have gone out, and you stop
any more from being made.
But in the virtual world of cyberspace, catching someone after
they have made a few copies on the internet does not stop all the rest
of the copies from being made. Once something is on the internet, all
the copies are already out there, IN LESS THAN 15 MINUTES ALL OVER THE
WORLD, so who's going to buy your book?
Worse each person who gets such an illegal copy can do the whole
cycle all over again, so getting rid of these illegal copies is
impossible.
Thus really the only answer for the publisher's nightmare, is not
only that all posters are traceable, which gets violators after the
fact, and acts as something of a deterrent, but also that people just
can't post without permission and full moderation, which prevents
people from posting copyright violations before the fact. Imagine an
internet where ALL newsgroups and e-mail was moderated? That's a
publishers ideal scene.
But publishers are not a representative slice of the population,
they are in fact a very small portion of what life is about, and in
any case the internet was not created for publishers, nor for the
purpose of furthering publisher's interests. The internet was created
for a completely different reason.
The internet was not created to be just another business tool, no
matter how much some business interests would like it to be.
To put it in embarrassing New Age Crystal Gazer terms, the
internet is a physical manifestation of a move to a new stage of
consciousness amongst all the people of the world, a process that is
much bigger than mere business interests and will in fact merely flow
around all such interests.
This new consciousness allows instant communication on any
subject with anyone and that agenda will eventually swamp the
publishers and their business interests like the ice age swamped the
dinosaurs.
Most people have a sort of ego centric point of view of the
world, things happen TO THEM, and FOR THEM and some how the world has
them in mind when it does anything big.
Thus when they find their own survival being threatened they
claim "There must be something wrong around here, these changes are
not good for ME!" But the world moves as it will, regardless of the
plaintive cries of those who are about to be phased out. No doubt the
dinosaurs had a valid point when they claimed that the ice age was no
good for them, but the ice age didn't come FOR THEM, nor BECAUSE of
THEM. The dinosaurs were merely in the way.
And so it is with the new age of consciousness and its physical
manifestations like the internet. There will be many plaintive cries,
and one's faith in an all knowing, all loving, all powerful PERSONAL
GOD who is looking after you, will be no doubt be tested right up
until your bones are pushed into the abyss. But the universe of
evolution moves on, and whether or not publishers or even authors
survive the coming of the new age is very open to question.
Terrible thing that, no?
This might at first seem ironic because this is the Information
Age after all that is killing them. Authors and publishers are
certainly the source of much of the information in the information age
and surely they deserve to survive, right?
But there is a problem in paradigms here, specifically the desire
to own IDEAS, commonly called intellectual property. Probably someone
ought to tell these people now so that they can make peace with their
Maker, that although the information age is about information, it is NOT
about OWNERSHIP of information. It's about the free exchange of
information, and if a few owners of information get swept away in the
process, that's just the way it is.
THE INFORMATION AGE DID NOT COME FOR, NOR BECAUSE, OF THE OWNERS OF
INFORMATION. It came for and because of the EXCHANGERS OF INFORMATION.
It was built by and for people who give freely of their information and
who receive freely. The fair exchange remains in, but the ownership is
out.
This is the evolution towards a group mind, a group consciousness,
and a group way of thinking about our survival on planet earth and in
fact the whole universe, because the internet is in fact a good model
for what consciousness is really like to awakened souls.
The pushers of books, and cartons, and trucks and tons of paper and
mass in order to trade in information, are going to go the way of the
brontosaurous who simply became too massy to do anything. When his
lakes froze up that supported his weight, he was lost, as he could not
live on land.
So the point is that this little war here between the internet and
the Church of SCientology is not just a little war. It is the opening
volley between the new age of information exchangers and the old age of
information owners. The information owners thought the new age of
information was for and about them, but they are going to find perhaps
that their mass graves are already being dug way in advance of their
awareness.
In the meanwhile of course the information owners will certainly
put up quite a struggle as they try to change the course of the new age
of information into one suitable for life by information owners. They
don't see that the paradigm has changed from ownership to free exchange,
and in fact many of them can't even conceive of it, as they are too
materialistic to understand speed of light free communication. They
will probably go to their graves without ever fully understanding why
they failed, "This just can't be right, I just KNOW this was meant for
me..."
The war between the owners of information and the exchangers of
information is going to be THE war of the 21st century, it is going to
change EVERYTHING, how we survive, what we trade, what we do with what
we trade, and how we make our livings.
"How then WILL we make our livings" you cry? Well, don't ask the
dinosaur.
You know, in general, its a bad idea to make and pass laws that
absolutely can not be enforced, right? Well consider what would have
happened if the world had been born thousands of years ago with the
internet already in place and fully functional. Copyrights and
ownership of information would have been absurd, right?
So once the new information age comes in, it may be that things
will evolve to the point where copyrights once again become absurd. The
only way you can have copyrights living side by side with an internet is
through the use of an absolute police state with no freedom of
expression or thought at all. Traceability and total moderation of all
communication is the logical outcome of the desire to own and sell
information.
The body politic will not tolerate anything less than robust
anonymity, unmoderatability, untracability and privacy, or no one will
be free to talk with each other or the world to design the markets in
the first place. When the *MARKETS* own the communication lines, rather
than the body politic for whom the police work, then all is lost.
When the markets own the police, you have a police state by
definition owned and run by the highest bidder.
The forces that are building the internet ON THE WORLD, will fight
this tooth and nail, and who wins will probably be one of the most
interesting stories of Earth history a few hundred years down the line.
And when all is said and done, you can tell your grand children,
and great grand children that you were at ground zero.
And so we were.
Homer
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GROUND ZERO
ACT - 85
19 January 1995
Copyright (C) 1994 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
Helena Kobrin wrote:
> We are not committed to pursuing the "remove group" message to
>deal with the problem if it is not the appropriate method. If anyone
>has other viable solutions for eliminating the violations of property
>rights, we'd be interested to know what they are.
A most reasonable letter. And here indeed is the crux of the
matter.
Before the invention of the printing press, there wasn't a lot of
publishing except by hand. Once the printing press came into existence
wide spread publishing came into being, and publishers of course vied
with each other for author's works and exclusivity.
It was in this atmosphere of early Royal Britain that copyrights
were first created, not by the authors but by the publishers. The
purpose of the copyright was not to protect the author's rights, but to
protect the publishers rights! And secondarily to give the Sovereign
King total censorship control over what people wrote, because if you
didn't have a publisher you couldn't print, and the King kept a tight
rein on the publishers.
The author's of course didn't mind the protection that copyrights
afforded them too, they were already owned and operated by their
publishers, and so what was good for the publisher was good for the
author.
Now the point is that during the time that copyrights were first
conceived until recently, publishing was a hard business. It was almost
impossible to print a book without lots of capital, and then getting it
distributed was even harder. This whole process took enormous amounts
of time and energy and money, and so the publishers continued to own the
day and control the authors.
Then one day the internet comes along, and suddenly everyone is a
publisher. Suddenly the printing and distribution of written works
became easier than just about any other activity in life except maybe
breathing, by a factor of 10.
One can still encode one's works and 'sell' them only to those who
pay for them, giving them a secret key to decode the work on their
computer, but once they have it, what's to stop them from uploading it
to the internet and disseminating it to the Free Winds?
If you are a publisher, or even an author, this is one's worst
nightmare come true. And if one takes a look at the internet from the
publisher's point of view, certainly the internet was not designed
correctly. An ideal internet FOR A PUBLISHER is one where everyone is
traceable AND NO ONE CAN POST WITHOUT PERMISSION. At least everyone
should be traceable, that way you can prosecute people after the fact of
a violation.
But frankly traceability after the fact is not really sufficient.
In the real world world of books and trucks and tons of paper and slow
moving cycles of action, it takes time to make and distribute copies,
and almost always money of some sort is involved, so when you catch the
guy and put him out of business after the fact of his first copy,
chances are only a limited number of copies have gone out, and you stop
any more from being made.
But in the virtual world of cyberspace, catching someone after
they have made a few copies on the internet does not stop all the rest
of the copies from being made. Once something is on the internet, all
the copies are already out there, IN LESS THAN 15 MINUTES ALL OVER THE
WORLD, so who's going to buy your book?
Worse each person who gets such an illegal copy can do the whole
cycle all over again, so getting rid of these illegal copies is
impossible.
Thus really the only answer for the publisher's nightmare, is not
only that all posters are traceable, which gets violators after the
fact, and acts as something of a deterrent, but also that people just
can't post without permission and full moderation, which prevents
people from posting copyright violations before the fact. Imagine an
internet where ALL newsgroups and e-mail was moderated? That's a
publishers ideal scene.
But publishers are not a representative slice of the population,
they are in fact a very small portion of what life is about, and in
any case the internet was not created for publishers, nor for the
purpose of furthering publisher's interests. The internet was created
for a completely different reason.
The internet was not created to be just another business tool, no
matter how much some business interests would like it to be.
To put it in embarrassing New Age Crystal Gazer terms, the
internet is a physical manifestation of a move to a new stage of
consciousness amongst all the people of the world, a process that is
much bigger than mere business interests and will in fact merely flow
around all such interests.
This new consciousness allows instant communication on any
subject with anyone and that agenda will eventually swamp the
publishers and their business interests like the ice age swamped the
dinosaurs.
Most people have a sort of ego centric point of view of the
world, things happen TO THEM, and FOR THEM and some how the world has
them in mind when it does anything big.
Thus when they find their own survival being threatened they
claim "There must be something wrong around here, these changes are
not good for ME!" But the world moves as it will, regardless of the
plaintive cries of those who are about to be phased out. No doubt the
dinosaurs had a valid point when they claimed that the ice age was no
good for them, but the ice age didn't come FOR THEM, nor BECAUSE of
THEM. The dinosaurs were merely in the way.
And so it is with the new age of consciousness and its physical
manifestations like the internet. There will be many plaintive cries,
and one's faith in an all knowing, all loving, all powerful PERSONAL
GOD who is looking after you, will be no doubt be tested right up
until your bones are pushed into the abyss. But the universe of
evolution moves on, and whether or not publishers or even authors
survive the coming of the new age is very open to question.
Terrible thing that, no?
This might at first seem ironic because this is the Information
Age after all that is killing them. Authors and publishers are
certainly the source of much of the information in the information age
and surely they deserve to survive, right?
But there is a problem in paradigms here, specifically the desire
to own IDEAS, commonly called intellectual property. Probably someone
ought to tell these people now so that they can make peace with their
Maker, that although the information age is about information, it is NOT
about OWNERSHIP of information. It's about the free exchange of
information, and if a few owners of information get swept away in the
process, that's just the way it is.
THE INFORMATION AGE DID NOT COME FOR, NOR BECAUSE, OF THE OWNERS OF
INFORMATION. It came for and because of the EXCHANGERS OF INFORMATION.
It was built by and for people who give freely of their information and
who receive freely. The fair exchange remains in, but the ownership is
out.
This is the evolution towards a group mind, a group consciousness,
and a group way of thinking about our survival on planet earth and in
fact the whole universe, because the internet is in fact a good model
for what consciousness is really like to awakened souls.
The pushers of books, and cartons, and trucks and tons of paper and
mass in order to trade in information, are going to go the way of the
brontosaurous who simply became too massy to do anything. When his
lakes froze up that supported his weight, he was lost, as he could not
live on land.
So the point is that this little war here between the internet and
the Church of SCientology is not just a little war. It is the opening
volley between the new age of information exchangers and the old age of
information owners. The information owners thought the new age of
information was for and about them, but they are going to find perhaps
that their mass graves are already being dug way in advance of their
awareness.
In the meanwhile of course the information owners will certainly
put up quite a struggle as they try to change the course of the new age
of information into one suitable for life by information owners. They
don't see that the paradigm has changed from ownership to free exchange,
and in fact many of them can't even conceive of it, as they are too
materialistic to understand speed of light free communication. They
will probably go to their graves without ever fully understanding why
they failed, "This just can't be right, I just KNOW this was meant for
me..."
The war between the owners of information and the exchangers of
information is going to be THE war of the 21st century, it is going to
change EVERYTHING, how we survive, what we trade, what we do with what
we trade, and how we make our livings.
"How then WILL we make our livings" you cry? Well, don't ask the
dinosaur.
You know, in general, its a bad idea to make and pass laws that
absolutely can not be enforced, right? Well consider what would have
happened if the world had been born thousands of years ago with the
internet already in place and fully functional. Copyrights and
ownership of information would have been absurd, right?
So once the new information age comes in, it may be that things
will evolve to the point where copyrights once again become absurd. The
only way you can have copyrights living side by side with an internet is
through the use of an absolute police state with no freedom of
expression or thought at all. Traceability and total moderation of all
communication is the logical outcome of the desire to own and sell
information.
The body politic will not tolerate anything less than robust
anonymity, unmoderatability, untracability and privacy, or no one will
be free to talk with each other or the world to design the markets in
the first place. When the *MARKETS* own the communication lines, rather
than the body politic for whom the police work, then all is lost.
When the markets own the police, you have a police state by
definition owned and run by the highest bidder.
The forces that are building the internet ON THE WORLD, will fight
this tooth and nail, and who wins will probably be one of the most
interesting stories of Earth history a few hundred years down the line.
And when all is said and done, you can tell your grand children,
and great grand children that you were at ground zero.
And so we were.
Homer
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>Don't let logic get in the way of seeing the truth of a matter directly,
>or in grasping intent in a communication.
So since your ACTUAL WORDS make no sense whatsoever, I should use
telepathy to know what you are talking about instead.
That is what you have said here.
"Villany wears many masks, none so dangerous as the mask of
virtue."
>You seem to be arguing that God is necessarily responsible for any
>bad/evil that man does.
Yes. God is necessarily repsonsible for any thing that God does,
and if he creates something that itself can create, and he knows what it
can create and creates it anyhow, then he is responsible for the
consequences of his creations.
This does not deny that His creation may ALSO be responsible for
what the creation does.
But God had infinite wisdom and foresight, man does not, and most
of what man does is born of ignorance and fear for his loved ones.
>I'm not buying that logically or on any other
>basis. Even if it were true and I don't believe that it is, it wouldn't be
>workable. So why bother with it? It's a major distrator, and not a
>useful focus compared to man's own responsibility for his actions.
Again you raise workability over Truth.
Concentrating on Man's own responsibility for his own actions to
the exclusion of God's responsibility for creating Man in the first
place with His own responsibility for the outcome is not a workable
path.
The "God is all good and Man is source of bad" route is completely
unworkable.
This route leads to religious fanaticism of the worst sort.
Further just as your God denies responsibility for the actions of
his creation, so too does Man deny responsibility for the actions of his
children.
If you create something that can create something bad, and it
creates something bad, YOU created something bad. No way around that.
But here is the real point.
The fact is Man IS God, God in Carnation, thus in a very literal
sense, everything that Man does, whether good or bad, comes directly
FROM God, because Man IS God.
So of course God is responsible for what Man does, because God is
Man.
The real question here is whether the bad that God/Man has
engendered serves any Good purpose or if God/Man is fundamentally
monsterous by nature.
If we admit that all that comes from God/Man is Good, we have to
ask how then is the Bad that comes from God/Man also Good, and worth its
while.
That question is both logical and probably has an answer.
This is what we seek on Clear-L.
Homer
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>Don't let logic get in the way of seeing the truth of a matter directly,
>or in grasping intent in a communication.
So since your ACTUAL WORDS make no sense whatsoever, I should use
telepathy to know what you are talking about instead.
That is what you have said here.
"Villany wears many masks, none so dangerous as the mask of
virtue."
>You seem to be arguing that God is necessarily responsible for any
>bad/evil that man does.
Yes. God is necessarily repsonsible for any thing that God does,
and if he creates something that itself can create, and he knows what it
can create and creates it anyhow, then he is responsible for the
consequences of his creations.
This does not deny that His creation may ALSO be responsible for
what the creation does.
But God had infinite wisdom and foresight, man does not, and most
of what man does is born of ignorance and fear for his loved ones.
>I'm not buying that logically or on any other
>basis. Even if it were true and I don't believe that it is, it wouldn't be
>workable. So why bother with it? It's a major distrator, and not a
>useful focus compared to man's own responsibility for his actions.
Again you raise workability over Truth.
Concentrating on Man's own responsibility for his own actions to
the exclusion of God's responsibility for creating Man in the first
place with His own responsibility for the outcome is not a workable
path.
The "God is all good and Man is source of bad" route is completely
unworkable.
This route leads to religious fanaticism of the worst sort.
Further just as your God denies responsibility for the actions of
his creation, so too does Man deny responsibility for the actions of his
children.
If you create something that can create something bad, and it
creates something bad, YOU created something bad. No way around that.
But here is the real point.
The fact is Man IS God, God in Carnation, thus in a very literal
sense, everything that Man does, whether good or bad, comes directly
FROM God, because Man IS God.
So of course God is responsible for what Man does, because God is
Man.
The real question here is whether the bad that God/Man has
engendered serves any Good purpose or if God/Man is fundamentally
monsterous by nature.
If we admit that all that comes from God/Man is Good, we have to
ask how then is the Bad that comes from God/Man also Good, and worth its
while.
That question is both logical and probably has an answer.
This is what we seek on Clear-L.
Homer
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RE INCARNATION AND THE HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL.
HYPOCRISY is GUILT in the NAME of LOVE.
PEOPLE who have DONE NO WRONG, WILL MAKE YOU NOT GUILTY even if you
ARE, BECAUSE they will see that the WRONG you did WAS to make someone
GUILTY. FOR WHICH YOU ARE NOT GUILTY.
Dig this or DIE.
If the JEWS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become CHRISTIANS.
If the CHRISTIANS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become NAZIS.
If the NAZIS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become SWEET OLD LADIES.
And if they're SWEET enough for long enough,
They're gonna become JEWS again.
Eventually ALL become MARBLES on the THETAN PLANE.
CONFESSION
I wouldn't be saying any of this except that
I am a CHRISTIAN well on my way to becoming a NAZI.
And the NAZI in me has looked over the BRINK into
SWEET OLD LADY HOOD and seen its DOOM
For EVER For REAL and For FREE.
The HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL is POWERED
by
LOVE
and
HIGH REGRET between HIGH FRIENDS
on
HIGH OPPOSITE SIDES.
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RE INCARNATION AND THE HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL.
HYPOCRISY is GUILT in the NAME of LOVE.
PEOPLE who have DONE NO WRONG, WILL MAKE YOU NOT GUILTY even if you
ARE, BECAUSE they will see that the WRONG you did WAS to make someone
GUILTY. FOR WHICH YOU ARE NOT GUILTY.
Dig this or DIE.
If the JEWS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become CHRISTIANS.
If the CHRISTIANS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become NAZIS.
If the NAZIS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become SWEET OLD LADIES.
And if they're SWEET enough for long enough,
They're gonna become JEWS again.
Eventually ALL become MARBLES on the THETAN PLANE.
CONFESSION
I wouldn't be saying any of this except that
I am a CHRISTIAN well on my way to becoming a NAZI.
And the NAZI in me has looked over the BRINK into
SWEET OLD LADY HOOD and seen its DOOM
For EVER For REAL and For FREE.
The HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL is POWERED
by
LOVE
and
HIGH REGRET between HIGH FRIENDS
on
HIGH OPPOSITE SIDES.
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HYPOCRISY is GUILT in the NAME of LOVE.
PEOPLE who have DONE NO WRONG, WILL MAKE YOU NOT GUILTY even if you
ARE, BECAUSE they will see that the WRONG you did WAS to make someone
GUILTY. FOR WHICH YOU ARE NOT GUILTY.
Dig this or DIE.
If the JEWS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become CHRISTIANS.
If the CHRISTIANS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become NAZIS.
If the NAZIS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become SWEET OLD LADIES.
And if they're SWEET enough for long enough,
They're gonna become JEWS again.
Eventually ALL become MARBLES on the THETAN PLANE.
CONFESSION
I wouldn't be saying any of this except that
I am a CHRISTIAN well on my way to becoming a NAZI.
And the NAZI in me has looked over the BRINK into
SWEET OLD LADY HOOD and seen its DOOM
For EVER For REAL and For FREE.
The HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL is POWERED
by
LOVE
and
HIGH REGRET between HIGH FRIENDS
on
HIGH OPPOSITE SIDES.
From Adore.
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HYPOCRISY is GUILT in the NAME of LOVE.
PEOPLE who have DONE NO WRONG, WILL MAKE YOU NOT GUILTY even if you
ARE, BECAUSE they will see that the WRONG you did WAS to make someone
GUILTY. FOR WHICH YOU ARE NOT GUILTY.
Dig this or DIE.
If the JEWS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become CHRISTIANS.
If the CHRISTIANS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become NAZIS.
If the NAZIS Keep it Up,
They're gonna become SWEET OLD LADIES.
And if they're SWEET enough for long enough,
They're gonna become JEWS again.
Eventually ALL become MARBLES on the THETAN PLANE.
CONFESSION
I wouldn't be saying any of this except that
I am a CHRISTIAN well on my way to becoming a NAZI.
And the NAZI in me has looked over the BRINK into
SWEET OLD LADY HOOD and seen its DOOM
For EVER For REAL and For FREE.
The HYPOCRISY WHIRLPOOL is POWERED
by
LOVE
and
HIGH REGRET between HIGH FRIENDS
on
HIGH OPPOSITE SIDES.
From Adore.
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SHITTING INSANITY
>> AD HOMINEM AND THE CLEAR-L CHARTER
>
> What shitting insanity. What kind of fucking loon believes this nonense?
Hi Mr. Troll,
Exactly what nonsense are you referring to?
The world is FULL of loons, you can feed them bread crumbs in the
park. What hole have you had your head in all these years that you do
not know this?
For clearing practitioners, beliefs are bets not convictions like
they are for Christians and other idiots.
One generally only bets if one has to, and one will only bet for
something if the odds are 51/49 or better.
When I was young, I would have bet that when you are dead, you are
dead, that consciousness was a process in the brain.
Now that I am old (60), I would bet that the brain is a process
in consciousness, and that in fact I have lived before and will
live again, but possibly not on Earth or even in this universe.
I do however WANT to come back to Earth, although the idea
terrifies the shit out of me, to work on one of my long term goals, a
star drive.
Science of course always rules where it can, the mere word of a
'Book' or a socially accepted Authority on the matter carry no weight.
And certainly the words of New Age Crystal Gazers are beyond
worthless, they can believe in instantaneous telepathy across
the universe all they want, but that doesn't change certain
facts that might mitigate against it, namely special relativity.
The speed of light is the speed of CAUSE in this universe, if
someone on Alpha Centauri finds out about a war on Earth before the
required 4 years for the data to get there, it might just destroy the
entire universe, the grid lines in the holodeck might start appearing
everywhere.
Relativity teaches us that this universe is not held together
by the orderliness of where and when, but it is held together
by the orderliness of the progression of CAUSE.
If one messes with that order, that exact progression, the entire
underpinnings of the universe fail, and it comes apart. The dreamers
wake up. And boy will they be mad.
But sometimes one is also betting that existing science is in error
or short sighted or doesn't have all the facts or is stuck in a small
theory ball that needs to be revisted.
The entire history of science after all is a history of being wrong
:)
But science is capable of self correction, although sometimes only
after the bigger authorities die off.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I understand from your comments
that Earth is a lot further gone than I have imagined.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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SHITTING INSANITY
>> AD HOMINEM AND THE CLEAR-L CHARTER
>
> What shitting insanity. What kind of fucking loon believes this nonense?
Hi Mr. Troll,
Exactly what nonsense are you referring to?
The world is FULL of loons, you can feed them bread crumbs in the
park. What hole have you had your head in all these years that you do
not know this?
For clearing practitioners, beliefs are bets not convictions like
they are for Christians and other idiots.
One generally only bets if one has to, and one will only bet for
something if the odds are 51/49 or better.
When I was young, I would have bet that when you are dead, you are
dead, that consciousness was a process in the brain.
Now that I am old (60), I would bet that the brain is a process
in consciousness, and that in fact I have lived before and will
live again, but possibly not on Earth or even in this universe.
I do however WANT to come back to Earth, although the idea
terrifies the shit out of me, to work on one of my long term goals, a
star drive.
Science of course always rules where it can, the mere word of a
'Book' or a socially accepted Authority on the matter carry no weight.
And certainly the words of New Age Crystal Gazers are beyond
worthless, they can believe in instantaneous telepathy across
the universe all they want, but that doesn't change certain
facts that might mitigate against it, namely special relativity.
The speed of light is the speed of CAUSE in this universe, if
someone on Alpha Centauri finds out about a war on Earth before the
required 4 years for the data to get there, it might just destroy the
entire universe, the grid lines in the holodeck might start appearing
everywhere.
Relativity teaches us that this universe is not held together
by the orderliness of where and when, but it is held together
by the orderliness of the progression of CAUSE.
If one messes with that order, that exact progression, the entire
underpinnings of the universe fail, and it comes apart. The dreamers
wake up. And boy will they be mad.
But sometimes one is also betting that existing science is in error
or short sighted or doesn't have all the facts or is stuck in a small
theory ball that needs to be revisted.
The entire history of science after all is a history of being wrong
:)
But science is capable of self correction, although sometimes only
after the bigger authorities die off.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I understand from your comments
that Earth is a lot further gone than I have imagined.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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DISOWNERSHIP OF SELF
This is about Alan's article appended below.
Yah mon, the preclear has disowned him self at such a deep level
that he feels it would kill his body if he admitted it, and ruin his
willingness to live or BE forever more if he re-remembered it.
Most auditor's won't go near that stuff.
"How do you feel about your (eternal) future?"
"What's your self image look like?"
"Get the idea of a self image."
Eternal life is not something you get in the FUTURE, eternal life
is what you are living right now for a while. Then you snooze out in
eternality for a while, then you come back into kinetics again when you
want to. Then you snooze out, then you remanifest, all fair chosen
forever outside of time. Been doing it forever and will continue to do
it forever. It's what you want.
Being IN time 'forever' is hell forever, you don't want that.
But an infinite number of finite whiles in kinetic manifestation
with as much rest as you can stand in between fills your bill, now
doesn't it.
Ask someone why they came into this life, and if they say "Oh I
don't believe in that nonsense, you live once, you die once and that's
it bud!"
Well they are living now as a moment in a pending eternal death or
dying, not as a moment in an eternal life, one that has always been, and
will always be (outside of time).
They are a garden variety meatball or zombie zoner.
Think how dull their consciousness must be from thinking that way
for their whole life, no more goals, no more friends, no more learning,
no more accomplishments.
Somewhere around 60 they give up and watch foolball as their
highest level of 'entertainment', no use thinking about goals, not
enough time left to get anything done about them. And all the goals
they did follow in this life were just small enough to give hope they
might be accomplished in one life.
The eternal lifer on the other hand is big and bright with the
anxiety of so many options, so many things to do forever and ever amen,
he doesn't know where or how to start.
"What should I DO NOW!?"
So which is worse, fearing death forever, or fearing life forever?
Homer
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
> ACW wrote:
>
>> Could the tech have been out and that is what put the ethics and
> admin. out?
>>
>> I came to this "crashing reality adjustment" in 1985, when I had 3
>> Independent Centers. Omaha, LA and Dallas.
>>
>> The Tech just was not working. I was forced to realize something was
> very
>> wrong. I had to re-inspect what I had based my training and experience
> on.
>> Possibly the hardest thing I have ever had to do.
>>
>> I could not continue as I was not delivering what I promised.
>
> Would you please elucidate on this in detail. What failures were
> you seeing, and with what processes.
>
> Thanks Homer
>
> ?THE TECH WAS JUST NOT WORKING?
>
> At that time in late 1985, I had approximately 200 to 300 clients on
> lines. 90% were ex-Scio.
>
> What was very different was they were not set up by my centers. They
> came in from outside at various points on the Grade Chart.
>
> Most came in for their next step. Many were OT III?s and NOT?s cases.
> These were usually the worse off cases. There were also many ?natural
> clears.?
>
> The sessions ?seemed? to go fairly well. The wins after session were OK.
> But not much changed in their life and livingness and in many cases
> things deteriorated.
>
> I came to the conclusion most of these former Scio?s were trained
> session ?fakers? and PR merchants.
>
> I have observed that success stories are far more revelatory than most
> other client information. Partially because you can observe the life
> increases or decreases in effectiveness almost immediately after a
> session. (Within a day or two.) More things going right. Unhandled long
> term problems magically resolving. Increases in responsibility, (job
> promotions.) Higher toned, etc. Their immediate prosperity, success and
> happiness in life should increase.
>
> Fake success stories immediately let?s you know you are processing a
> fake case.
>
> Fake cases are made by fake releases and invalidation of true release
> points. Fake attestations and missed actual attestations. Fake F/N?s and
> missed actual F/N?s. Fake passes and invalidation of competency. Fake
> case handlings and invalidation of actual case handlings. Fake states
> attained and true states invalidated.
>
> Fake cases are created because it is unsafe or too dangerous to tell the
> truth. If the processing environment is dangerous the client will tend
> to PR their way out of trouble.
>
> The client has been or is trapped in a no-win technical, ethical and
> administrative situation.
>
> The client wants to get off the charge, wants to become more honest, but
> knows if they tell the absolute truth: i.e. ?I?m not making any gains
> from this processing,? they could end up in ethics, or whatever. He or
> she runs the risk of being labeled a dissenter or worse an enemy of
> Scientology.
>
> This unsafe or too dangerous to tell the truth environment or situation
> produces a by-passed case phenomena.
>
> You possibly are saying to yourself that?s crazy. How could any self
> respecting client do that to themselves?
>
> Simple: THESE PC?s ARE NOT SELF RESPECTING.
>
> As almost any ?old timer? or master of the technology will tell you the
> first target of processing the client is to get them back in valence and
> at cause over themselves and their immediate life.
>
> This was basically what a ?Life Repair? produced. The optimum life
> repair put in the basics of life. It helped the client regain the
> knowledge and truth about who he really was, what he was doing or not
> doing and the actions needed to increase control and cause over their
> immediate life and dynamics.
>
> A good ?Life Repair? usually takes between 50 to 150 hours. It also
> includes doing basic TR?s and Upper Indoc type training.
>
> The long term success of a Mission, Org., or client could be said to
> depend totally on the quality of the ?Life Repair?s? it delivered.
> Because of the increase in the client and students cause and
> responsibility over their life would enable them to earn and afford more
> money, time and effort to invest in further training and processing.
> They could and would respect themselves enough to hold a position of
> more truth and make their life obey them.
>
> An effective ?Life Repair? would begin to restore the clients self
> respect and sovereignty back to them.
>
> What I was observing was: A MASSIVE TACIT SABOTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY!
>
> MORE TO COME.
>
> Alan
>
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> Tue Jan 19 06:06:02 EST 2016
> ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/acw/acw52.memo
> Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help
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> Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> (607) 277-0959 A Green Earth, and Peace, Internet, Ithaca NY
> homer@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com
>
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This is about Alan's article appended below.
Yah mon, the preclear has disowned him self at such a deep level
that he feels it would kill his body if he admitted it, and ruin his
willingness to live or BE forever more if he re-remembered it.
Most auditor's won't go near that stuff.
"How do you feel about your (eternal) future?"
"What's your self image look like?"
"Get the idea of a self image."
Eternal life is not something you get in the FUTURE, eternal life
is what you are living right now for a while. Then you snooze out in
eternality for a while, then you come back into kinetics again when you
want to. Then you snooze out, then you remanifest, all fair chosen
forever outside of time. Been doing it forever and will continue to do
it forever. It's what you want.
Being IN time 'forever' is hell forever, you don't want that.
But an infinite number of finite whiles in kinetic manifestation
with as much rest as you can stand in between fills your bill, now
doesn't it.
Ask someone why they came into this life, and if they say "Oh I
don't believe in that nonsense, you live once, you die once and that's
it bud!"
Well they are living now as a moment in a pending eternal death or
dying, not as a moment in an eternal life, one that has always been, and
will always be (outside of time).
They are a garden variety meatball or zombie zoner.
Think how dull their consciousness must be from thinking that way
for their whole life, no more goals, no more friends, no more learning,
no more accomplishments.
Somewhere around 60 they give up and watch foolball as their
highest level of 'entertainment', no use thinking about goals, not
enough time left to get anything done about them. And all the goals
they did follow in this life were just small enough to give hope they
might be accomplished in one life.
The eternal lifer on the other hand is big and bright with the
anxiety of so many options, so many things to do forever and ever amen,
he doesn't know where or how to start.
"What should I DO NOW!?"
So which is worse, fearing death forever, or fearing life forever?
Homer
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
> ACW wrote:
>
>> Could the tech have been out and that is what put the ethics and
> admin. out?
>>
>> I came to this "crashing reality adjustment" in 1985, when I had 3
>> Independent Centers. Omaha, LA and Dallas.
>>
>> The Tech just was not working. I was forced to realize something was
> very
>> wrong. I had to re-inspect what I had based my training and experience
> on.
>> Possibly the hardest thing I have ever had to do.
>>
>> I could not continue as I was not delivering what I promised.
>
> Would you please elucidate on this in detail. What failures were
> you seeing, and with what processes.
>
> Thanks Homer
>
> ?THE TECH WAS JUST NOT WORKING?
>
> At that time in late 1985, I had approximately 200 to 300 clients on
> lines. 90% were ex-Scio.
>
> What was very different was they were not set up by my centers. They
> came in from outside at various points on the Grade Chart.
>
> Most came in for their next step. Many were OT III?s and NOT?s cases.
> These were usually the worse off cases. There were also many ?natural
> clears.?
>
> The sessions ?seemed? to go fairly well. The wins after session were OK.
> But not much changed in their life and livingness and in many cases
> things deteriorated.
>
> I came to the conclusion most of these former Scio?s were trained
> session ?fakers? and PR merchants.
>
> I have observed that success stories are far more revelatory than most
> other client information. Partially because you can observe the life
> increases or decreases in effectiveness almost immediately after a
> session. (Within a day or two.) More things going right. Unhandled long
> term problems magically resolving. Increases in responsibility, (job
> promotions.) Higher toned, etc. Their immediate prosperity, success and
> happiness in life should increase.
>
> Fake success stories immediately let?s you know you are processing a
> fake case.
>
> Fake cases are made by fake releases and invalidation of true release
> points. Fake attestations and missed actual attestations. Fake F/N?s and
> missed actual F/N?s. Fake passes and invalidation of competency. Fake
> case handlings and invalidation of actual case handlings. Fake states
> attained and true states invalidated.
>
> Fake cases are created because it is unsafe or too dangerous to tell the
> truth. If the processing environment is dangerous the client will tend
> to PR their way out of trouble.
>
> The client has been or is trapped in a no-win technical, ethical and
> administrative situation.
>
> The client wants to get off the charge, wants to become more honest, but
> knows if they tell the absolute truth: i.e. ?I?m not making any gains
> from this processing,? they could end up in ethics, or whatever. He or
> she runs the risk of being labeled a dissenter or worse an enemy of
> Scientology.
>
> This unsafe or too dangerous to tell the truth environment or situation
> produces a by-passed case phenomena.
>
> You possibly are saying to yourself that?s crazy. How could any self
> respecting client do that to themselves?
>
> Simple: THESE PC?s ARE NOT SELF RESPECTING.
>
> As almost any ?old timer? or master of the technology will tell you the
> first target of processing the client is to get them back in valence and
> at cause over themselves and their immediate life.
>
> This was basically what a ?Life Repair? produced. The optimum life
> repair put in the basics of life. It helped the client regain the
> knowledge and truth about who he really was, what he was doing or not
> doing and the actions needed to increase control and cause over their
> immediate life and dynamics.
>
> A good ?Life Repair? usually takes between 50 to 150 hours. It also
> includes doing basic TR?s and Upper Indoc type training.
>
> The long term success of a Mission, Org., or client could be said to
> depend totally on the quality of the ?Life Repair?s? it delivered.
> Because of the increase in the client and students cause and
> responsibility over their life would enable them to earn and afford more
> money, time and effort to invest in further training and processing.
> They could and would respect themselves enough to hold a position of
> more truth and make their life obey them.
>
> An effective ?Life Repair? would begin to restore the clients self
> respect and sovereignty back to them.
>
> What I was observing was: A MASSIVE TACIT SABOTAGE OF THE TECHNOLOGY!
>
> MORE TO COME.
>
> Alan
>
> ================ http://www.clearing.org ====================
> Tue Jan 19 06:06:02 EST 2016
> ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/acw/acw52.memo
> Send mail to archive@lightlink.com saying help
> ================== http://www.lightlink.com/theproof ===================
> Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Homer Wilson Smith Clean Air, Clear Water, Art Matrix - Lightlink
> (607) 277-0959 A Green Earth, and Peace, Internet, Ithaca NY
> homer@lightlink.com Is that too much to ask? http://www.lightlink.com
>
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PERFECT CERTAINTIES vs BETS
Just as there are perfect certainties that can not be wrong, just so
there are statements that can not be perfect certainties and can never be
perfect certainties.
Once one attains awareness of perfect certainties and becomes facile
spotting them or rejecting them, one can then easily spot when a statement
can never be a perfect certainty, and thus safely relegate it to a mere
probability or bet.
Thus one can no longer make the error of being certain of something
and finding out later that one was wrong as everything one holds true is
either a perfect certainty that can not be wrong, or a probabilistic bet
that can not be a perfect certainty.
This is called personal integrity.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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PERFECT CERTAINTIES vs BETS
Just as there are perfect certainties that can not be wrong, just so
there are statements that can not be perfect certainties and can never be
perfect certainties.
Once one attains awareness of perfect certainties and becomes facile
spotting them or rejecting them, one can then easily spot when a statement
can never be a perfect certainty, and thus safely relegate it to a mere
probability or bet.
Thus one can no longer make the error of being certain of something
and finding out later that one was wrong as everything one holds true is
either a perfect certainty that can not be wrong, or a probabilistic bet
that can not be a perfect certainty.
This is called personal integrity.
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ARCX WITH SOURCE
An ARCX is a sundering, lowering or break in affinity, reality
(agreement with) and communication with something or somebody, including
self, others, work, life, action, God and the entire Cosmic All.
It is common practice when a pc doesn't respond to standard tech to
blame it on service facs. (The facsimile memory he is using to service
himself by implementing the advantage of being disadvantaged.)
But all one had to do is audit the service fac, so this is a false
why.
Service facs are not the end all or be all of case.
Service facs are very specific computations related to GPM
structures, in particular the present time truncated GPM that the pc is
probably dramatizing.
They give the justification for taking one side against the other,
and they give the justification for sashaying down the GPM structure
back and forth taking on opposites until they are at the bottom opposing
what they were at the top.
Service facs also generally involve making OTHERS wrong.
The ARCX with source may or may not a GPM phenomenon, and does not
involve other people, although it's inception may not be before
involvement with others.
It has to do with the original break in sovereignty in which the
pc, who originally thought he was responsible through choice for his
condition, suddenly finds himself faced with something he feels he
didn't choose.
Whether he chose this apparency or not is open to question, and is
the question that is most bothering the pc.
He feels he is screwed either way.
Since doubt is self casting, the more he wonders at the possibility
that sovereignty was an illusion all along, the more evidence he sees
for this position and the lower tone he will go.
He knows he can't vanish what he didn't make, didn't, shouldn't,
wouldn't and couldn't make.
This leaves him stuck with a persistence forever, which is a hell
forever. Thus he becomes a Christian.
Ask a Christian to list all the things he had nothing
to do with, and wouldn't agree to having them created if he could
have avoided it.
Eventually he becomes a marble rolling around the drain to hell.
Now lot's of people will tell you they are clear, they are OT, they
are in control of their destiny.
Or they will tell you, it doesn't bother them that something else
is in control of their destiny.
"Jesus, we gotta have some surprises around here you know!"
Go word clear very carefully "Whistling past the graveyard."
Your efforts to actually go OT and regain your absolute sovereignty
again disturbs their comfortably numb condition of forgetting that they
are a sinking ship.
They may be sinking slowly, so it may take a million years, but
sinking they are.
"How far into your future can you see?"
"Is your future secure?"
"Are you afraid of finding out?"
"Are you afraid of not finding out?"
"Spot how you feel about your choice in any matter".
"Able to leave or not any game at will?"
"NO Problem?"
E/P ARC broken with self and source and knows it.
No longer sweetness and light theetie wheetie.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
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ARCX WITH SOURCE
An ARCX is a sundering, lowering or break in affinity, reality
(agreement with) and communication with something or somebody, including
self, others, work, life, action, God and the entire Cosmic All.
It is common practice when a pc doesn't respond to standard tech to
blame it on service facs. (The facsimile memory he is using to service
himself by implementing the advantage of being disadvantaged.)
But all one had to do is audit the service fac, so this is a false
why.
Service facs are not the end all or be all of case.
Service facs are very specific computations related to GPM
structures, in particular the present time truncated GPM that the pc is
probably dramatizing.
They give the justification for taking one side against the other,
and they give the justification for sashaying down the GPM structure
back and forth taking on opposites until they are at the bottom opposing
what they were at the top.
Service facs also generally involve making OTHERS wrong.
The ARCX with source may or may not a GPM phenomenon, and does not
involve other people, although it's inception may not be before
involvement with others.
It has to do with the original break in sovereignty in which the
pc, who originally thought he was responsible through choice for his
condition, suddenly finds himself faced with something he feels he
didn't choose.
Whether he chose this apparency or not is open to question, and is
the question that is most bothering the pc.
He feels he is screwed either way.
Since doubt is self casting, the more he wonders at the possibility
that sovereignty was an illusion all along, the more evidence he sees
for this position and the lower tone he will go.
He knows he can't vanish what he didn't make, didn't, shouldn't,
wouldn't and couldn't make.
This leaves him stuck with a persistence forever, which is a hell
forever. Thus he becomes a Christian.
Ask a Christian to list all the things he had nothing
to do with, and wouldn't agree to having them created if he could
have avoided it.
Eventually he becomes a marble rolling around the drain to hell.
Now lot's of people will tell you they are clear, they are OT, they
are in control of their destiny.
Or they will tell you, it doesn't bother them that something else
is in control of their destiny.
"Jesus, we gotta have some surprises around here you know!"
Go word clear very carefully "Whistling past the graveyard."
Your efforts to actually go OT and regain your absolute sovereignty
again disturbs their comfortably numb condition of forgetting that they
are a sinking ship.
They may be sinking slowly, so it may take a million years, but
sinking they are.
"How far into your future can you see?"
"Is your future secure?"
"Are you afraid of finding out?"
"Are you afraid of not finding out?"
"Spot how you feel about your choice in any matter".
"Able to leave or not any game at will?"
"NO Problem?"
E/P ARC broken with self and source and knows it.
No longer sweetness and light theetie wheetie.
Homer
Tue Jun 26 02:09:56 EDT 2007
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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UNAUDITABILITY
ACT - 94
7 October 1996
Copyright (C) 1996 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
LaMont tells me there is no such thing as an Unauditability.
Let us hope he is right.
Be that as it may, the following is presented for your reading
pleasure.
The way to vanish any mass or condition is to generally replicate
the efforts that went into its creation with full responsibility and
Sovereignty.
Make it once, it persists, make it again it releases.
This not quite accurate but we can describe it this way.
We work from two major premises in the devising of any auditing
strategy.
Premise I. Conception is both necessary and suffcient to create
any mass or condition, which is then created in the mere conceiving of
it.
Premise II. All conceivings and thus all creations are self
vanishing, thus anything that is persisting in time is being repeatedly
conceived and thus repeatedly created again and again in a new unit of
time.
The thetan has ways of getting himself conceiving compulsively,
not knowing that he is doing it, completely unable to stop doing it.
There are many 'tricks' the thetan can do to create an unwanted
persistence, one of which is simply postulate MORE that one needs
to create something ELSE to stop the creation or existence of
and unwanted persistence.
Creating RAID to get rid of ants for example and then creating
on going persisting action running around and spraying them.
So an unknowing but persisting conception ants is handled by
a knowing continuously postulate and thus 'persisting' second
conception, action.
We call this action set performed after the fact of the creation of
an unwanted persisting condition, the preclear's RAID.
It's always a knowingly and willing creation of something MORE
to get rid or handle an earlier unknowingly created unwaned condition.
The sequence goes like this.
CREATION -> COVERUP WHO DID IT -> UNWANTED -> RAID ACTION ->
PERSISTENCE.
So beyond all that, we can say that the way to get rid of any mass
or condition is to cease creating it.
Thus we get the preclear to conceive knowingly what he is already
conceiving unknowingly without knowing it,
Get the idea of having no idea you are getting the idea of an
unwanted persistence, and yet are in fact doing so, which you see with a
little application of intelligence and perspicacity, minus any vested
interest in staying a victim.
And once he can conceive and thus create his condition in its
entirety, without all the added significance of how to get rid of it, or
what it's good for, he can let off on the conception of it by
unconceiving it, and thus the mass or condition will self vanish
at the moment of unconception.
He won't even have the conception that all the above stuff even
went on.
An Unauditability is a mass or condition that will not release even
when it is "properly" replicated.
Theoretically of course this is absurd, however the fact is that a
thetan can WISH for a mass or condition to be unauditable and he can put
much effort, intention and energy into making it unauditable.
that it be unauditable and the extra efforts he put into it to make sure
it is.
That is the "what it is good for" but,
Unless this is spotted, the mass or condition will in fact become
unauditable because the thetan is failing to replicate his own desire
Taking responsibility back from the world is a tough act, a lot of
sadness about wasted time, but a lot of laughter in the end, love is so
great it is beyond our conception. That thought is part of why we don't
have as much love as we want, its too big to fire up.
Get the idea if a condition.
Get the idea off what it could be good for.
Get the idea off what it could be bad for.
Run it causatively meaning don't make the preclear spot existing
conditions, having him CREATE conditions and the purposes they might be good
for and the downsides to counter the benefits.
He will run the conditions and purposes that he has anyhow, but the
newly created ones in between will raise his havingness, as he will
eventually start out creating the conditions he is stuck in.
If fact once the preclear sees with great clarity that he is
keeping the unwanted condition around because it serves a dire purpose,
he will chill out on the whole thing.
At which point it will starting coming to the surface on its own,
at which point the preclear will huriedly go back to making sure it
doesn't. But only for a while this time, not forever like the last
time.
You take the lid off the pressurized kettle one little bit at a
time, and sit on it tightly until the next.
There are 5 primary factors to any unauditability.
They are, WHY, HOW, WHEN, WHERE, WHO, and WHAT, in that order of
auditing importance.
At the bottom of the unauditability will be the WHO or WHAT that
the being is rendering unauditable.
Above that will be a WHEN (including HOW LONG) and a WHERE that the
incident took place, including a when and a where the rendering of it
unauditable took place.
There will be HOW he rendered the incident eternally unauditable
FOREVER (in and out of time!) These are the exact efforts, forces,
conceptions and postulates that he made that produced the masses and
conditions that he feels will not release no matter how much he
replicates creating them, mostly because he is missing how they are SAFE
SOLUTION.
There will be WHY the thetan wanted to render it unauditable. That
means he had a reason that he wanted to never resolve this thing or
release it, a reason to make communication with it and replication of it
INFINITELY and ETERNALLY ineffective.
The HOW is still going on in present time, and the WHY is always
about the future. He won't know the WHEN, WHERE, WHO or WHAT any more
because they have been rendered unauditable. That means ANY question
you ask of them will return an I DON'T KNOW or NOTHING THERE.
However he will be able to get some vague sense of WHY he rendered
the scene unauditable as he is still doing it, and he will certainly be
able to get the HOW he is continuing to render it unauditable in present
time, particularly on the meter, stuck falls, Dirty Needles, Rock Slams
etc.
Those reads result when the preclear readjusts himself on the lid
of his powder keg, or pressure cooker, to make sure it doesn't blow
before he let's some of it out down the road a bit.
It's a convulsive shut down which bars entrance to the incident, he
will have to 'be there' when it happens to begin noticing it at all,
otherwise it happens all day long periodically but escapes him entirely.
He will first have to go through a stage where he notices it only
AFTER it happens, just after, and he says 'I saw that!'. Then he will
be start being there WHEN it is happening, then BEFORE. At that point
he can divert the convulsion and start to run it out and its damage.
The needle will come alive with stops and falls when he comes
anywhere near the efforts to render an incident unauditable.
The needle is reading on WHY AND HOW, *NOT* on WHEN, WHERE, WHO or
WHAT!
The WHY and HOW are in the future and present time, the WHEN,
WHERE, WHO and WHAT are in the past.
The WHY will have something to do with Infinities, Eternalities and
the Future, particularly FOREVERS and NEVERS.
That's a big statement, dig it and don't leave it.
The Structure of the mass or condition that is unauditable will be
a standard Grades Stack. A Grades Stack consists of the following,
listed from earliest to latest:
Goal - No Goal
Communication - No Communication
Problem - No Problem
Overt - No Overt
Withhold - No Withhold
Upset - No Upset
CO Excused Withhold - No Co Excused Withhold
Make Wrong - No Make Wrong
Power - No Power
Auditability - No Auditability
He will start off with a Goal opposed by an Opp Goal, leading to an
intention to produce a No Goal of his own goal.
He will fall down in Communication and denial of Communication,
This will get him into Problems and denial of Problems, which will lead
to Overts and denial of Overts, which will get him into Withholds and
denial of Withholds. This ends him up in major Motivators and Upsets
which stick to him like glue due to Justification and Restraint on the
earlier items on the Grades Stack.
The next level down is Co Excused Withholds.
A Co Excused Withhold is a withheld Overt/Motivator *PAIR*.
It is an IDENTITY <-> OPP IDENTITY lockup.
He receives a serious Motivator or Upset in present time, and it
restimulates an earlier Overt or Upset he caused to someone else in the
far distant past when he was being then an identity similar to the
perpetrator in present time.
His mother tries to kill him in this life as a son, which restims a
time in the past when he as a mother, tried to kill her son.
This is a problem between WHATs not WHOs.
His mother hurts him in this life time, this has nothing to do with
anything he might have done to his mother in this life time, or to the
being who is his present time mother in a previous life or hers.
It has to do with when he as a son has been hurt by a mother in the
present, which locks up with he as a mother hurt a son in the past.
He has been hurt EGREGIOUSLY in present time and he does not
complain about it at all. His computation is:
"If you forgive me for what I did then, and I will forgive you for
what you did to me just now."
Both become better left unsaid.
Before this the Overt was subconsciously queued for confession.
Now, he is not sure he is interested in that any more.
It is called a CO-EXCUSED WITHHOLD because HE is excusing his
present mother and withholding what his mother did to him now, and
excusing himself for what he did as a mother in the past, and
withholding it just as hard.
HE HAS TWO WITHHOLDS.
1.) What his mother did to him, its a witheld motivator
2.) What he did as a mother long ago, its a witheld overt.
His present time mother hasn't a clue what is going on.
HE WON'T TELL HER even if he could wrangle an apology out of her.
This results in BOTH earlier Overt and later Motivator sinking into
forgetfulness and oblivion.
The preclear's SILENCE on both the earlier OVERT and present time
MOTIVATOR cause both to sink like a stone to the sea of oblivion.
Oblivion is silent and quiet as hell.
An accumulating tar pit of all the things never said about overts
and motivators between lovers during all of time since the beginning of
this Cosmic Clown show.
Below this the person will get into defense and offense, commonly
called Make Wrong, and end up in an astounding condition of No Power.
The result of all this is a No Auditability.
THE UNAUDITABILITY RUNDOWN
One approaches this by educating the pc in the above material until
he has a good grasp of it and his good indicators including hope come in.
Then you run,
"Is there an unauditability?"
until the pc can spot one with good reality. You will probably get
VGI's and a good blow down item on the meter when he finds one.
Remember he is not going to know what the unauditability is about,
so don't expect him to get an incident at this stage, he will merely
have spotted a significant area of absolute Non Sovereignty, usually a
mass or unwanted condition.
Then run gently without force,
"WHY are you making this unauditable"
"HOW are you making this unauditable"
until he gets a release.
If you your pc gets jammed and can't find answers to WHY AND HOW,
ask gently:
"Is that because this is an unauditability?"
((This is old and dangerous technology.
Run instead, in all cases
"Get the idea of making something unauditable" etc.
Unauditabilities do not respond to question asking of any kind.
Question asking will just make your preclear spit at you.))
If he gets a release end off.
He may still not be able to spot WHEN, WHERE, WHO or WHAT, but he
will have spotted that there is a WHY and a HOW, and he will begin the
process of reevaluating the WHY to his long term benefit, and in the
meantime he won't be doing the HOW quite so hard.
Homer
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UNAUDITABILITY
ACT - 94
7 October 1996
Copyright (C) 1996 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
LaMont tells me there is no such thing as an Unauditability.
Let us hope he is right.
Be that as it may, the following is presented for your reading
pleasure.
The way to vanish any mass or condition is to generally replicate
the efforts that went into its creation with full responsibility and
Sovereignty.
Make it once, it persists, make it again it releases.
This not quite accurate but we can describe it this way.
We work from two major premises in the devising of any auditing
strategy.
Premise I. Conception is both necessary and suffcient to create
any mass or condition, which is then created in the mere conceiving of
it.
Premise II. All conceivings and thus all creations are self
vanishing, thus anything that is persisting in time is being repeatedly
conceived and thus repeatedly created again and again in a new unit of
time.
The thetan has ways of getting himself conceiving compulsively,
not knowing that he is doing it, completely unable to stop doing it.
There are many 'tricks' the thetan can do to create an unwanted
persistence, one of which is simply postulate MORE that one needs
to create something ELSE to stop the creation or existence of
and unwanted persistence.
Creating RAID to get rid of ants for example and then creating
on going persisting action running around and spraying them.
So an unknowing but persisting conception ants is handled by
a knowing continuously postulate and thus 'persisting' second
conception, action.
We call this action set performed after the fact of the creation of
an unwanted persisting condition, the preclear's RAID.
It's always a knowingly and willing creation of something MORE
to get rid or handle an earlier unknowingly created unwaned condition.
The sequence goes like this.
CREATION -> COVERUP WHO DID IT -> UNWANTED -> RAID ACTION ->
PERSISTENCE.
So beyond all that, we can say that the way to get rid of any mass
or condition is to cease creating it.
Thus we get the preclear to conceive knowingly what he is already
conceiving unknowingly without knowing it,
Get the idea of having no idea you are getting the idea of an
unwanted persistence, and yet are in fact doing so, which you see with a
little application of intelligence and perspicacity, minus any vested
interest in staying a victim.
And once he can conceive and thus create his condition in its
entirety, without all the added significance of how to get rid of it, or
what it's good for, he can let off on the conception of it by
unconceiving it, and thus the mass or condition will self vanish
at the moment of unconception.
He won't even have the conception that all the above stuff even
went on.
An Unauditability is a mass or condition that will not release even
when it is "properly" replicated.
Theoretically of course this is absurd, however the fact is that a
thetan can WISH for a mass or condition to be unauditable and he can put
much effort, intention and energy into making it unauditable.
that it be unauditable and the extra efforts he put into it to make sure
it is.
That is the "what it is good for" but,
Unless this is spotted, the mass or condition will in fact become
unauditable because the thetan is failing to replicate his own desire
Taking responsibility back from the world is a tough act, a lot of
sadness about wasted time, but a lot of laughter in the end, love is so
great it is beyond our conception. That thought is part of why we don't
have as much love as we want, its too big to fire up.
Get the idea if a condition.
Get the idea off what it could be good for.
Get the idea off what it could be bad for.
Run it causatively meaning don't make the preclear spot existing
conditions, having him CREATE conditions and the purposes they might be good
for and the downsides to counter the benefits.
He will run the conditions and purposes that he has anyhow, but the
newly created ones in between will raise his havingness, as he will
eventually start out creating the conditions he is stuck in.
If fact once the preclear sees with great clarity that he is
keeping the unwanted condition around because it serves a dire purpose,
he will chill out on the whole thing.
At which point it will starting coming to the surface on its own,
at which point the preclear will huriedly go back to making sure it
doesn't. But only for a while this time, not forever like the last
time.
You take the lid off the pressurized kettle one little bit at a
time, and sit on it tightly until the next.
There are 5 primary factors to any unauditability.
They are, WHY, HOW, WHEN, WHERE, WHO, and WHAT, in that order of
auditing importance.
At the bottom of the unauditability will be the WHO or WHAT that
the being is rendering unauditable.
Above that will be a WHEN (including HOW LONG) and a WHERE that the
incident took place, including a when and a where the rendering of it
unauditable took place.
There will be HOW he rendered the incident eternally unauditable
FOREVER (in and out of time!) These are the exact efforts, forces,
conceptions and postulates that he made that produced the masses and
conditions that he feels will not release no matter how much he
replicates creating them, mostly because he is missing how they are SAFE
SOLUTION.
There will be WHY the thetan wanted to render it unauditable. That
means he had a reason that he wanted to never resolve this thing or
release it, a reason to make communication with it and replication of it
INFINITELY and ETERNALLY ineffective.
The HOW is still going on in present time, and the WHY is always
about the future. He won't know the WHEN, WHERE, WHO or WHAT any more
because they have been rendered unauditable. That means ANY question
you ask of them will return an I DON'T KNOW or NOTHING THERE.
However he will be able to get some vague sense of WHY he rendered
the scene unauditable as he is still doing it, and he will certainly be
able to get the HOW he is continuing to render it unauditable in present
time, particularly on the meter, stuck falls, Dirty Needles, Rock Slams
etc.
Those reads result when the preclear readjusts himself on the lid
of his powder keg, or pressure cooker, to make sure it doesn't blow
before he let's some of it out down the road a bit.
It's a convulsive shut down which bars entrance to the incident, he
will have to 'be there' when it happens to begin noticing it at all,
otherwise it happens all day long periodically but escapes him entirely.
He will first have to go through a stage where he notices it only
AFTER it happens, just after, and he says 'I saw that!'. Then he will
be start being there WHEN it is happening, then BEFORE. At that point
he can divert the convulsion and start to run it out and its damage.
The needle will come alive with stops and falls when he comes
anywhere near the efforts to render an incident unauditable.
The needle is reading on WHY AND HOW, *NOT* on WHEN, WHERE, WHO or
WHAT!
The WHY and HOW are in the future and present time, the WHEN,
WHERE, WHO and WHAT are in the past.
The WHY will have something to do with Infinities, Eternalities and
the Future, particularly FOREVERS and NEVERS.
That's a big statement, dig it and don't leave it.
The Structure of the mass or condition that is unauditable will be
a standard Grades Stack. A Grades Stack consists of the following,
listed from earliest to latest:
Goal - No Goal
Communication - No Communication
Problem - No Problem
Overt - No Overt
Withhold - No Withhold
Upset - No Upset
CO Excused Withhold - No Co Excused Withhold
Make Wrong - No Make Wrong
Power - No Power
Auditability - No Auditability
He will start off with a Goal opposed by an Opp Goal, leading to an
intention to produce a No Goal of his own goal.
He will fall down in Communication and denial of Communication,
This will get him into Problems and denial of Problems, which will lead
to Overts and denial of Overts, which will get him into Withholds and
denial of Withholds. This ends him up in major Motivators and Upsets
which stick to him like glue due to Justification and Restraint on the
earlier items on the Grades Stack.
The next level down is Co Excused Withholds.
A Co Excused Withhold is a withheld Overt/Motivator *PAIR*.
It is an IDENTITY <-> OPP IDENTITY lockup.
He receives a serious Motivator or Upset in present time, and it
restimulates an earlier Overt or Upset he caused to someone else in the
far distant past when he was being then an identity similar to the
perpetrator in present time.
His mother tries to kill him in this life as a son, which restims a
time in the past when he as a mother, tried to kill her son.
This is a problem between WHATs not WHOs.
His mother hurts him in this life time, this has nothing to do with
anything he might have done to his mother in this life time, or to the
being who is his present time mother in a previous life or hers.
It has to do with when he as a son has been hurt by a mother in the
present, which locks up with he as a mother hurt a son in the past.
He has been hurt EGREGIOUSLY in present time and he does not
complain about it at all. His computation is:
"If you forgive me for what I did then, and I will forgive you for
what you did to me just now."
Both become better left unsaid.
Before this the Overt was subconsciously queued for confession.
Now, he is not sure he is interested in that any more.
It is called a CO-EXCUSED WITHHOLD because HE is excusing his
present mother and withholding what his mother did to him now, and
excusing himself for what he did as a mother in the past, and
withholding it just as hard.
HE HAS TWO WITHHOLDS.
1.) What his mother did to him, its a witheld motivator
2.) What he did as a mother long ago, its a witheld overt.
His present time mother hasn't a clue what is going on.
HE WON'T TELL HER even if he could wrangle an apology out of her.
This results in BOTH earlier Overt and later Motivator sinking into
forgetfulness and oblivion.
The preclear's SILENCE on both the earlier OVERT and present time
MOTIVATOR cause both to sink like a stone to the sea of oblivion.
Oblivion is silent and quiet as hell.
An accumulating tar pit of all the things never said about overts
and motivators between lovers during all of time since the beginning of
this Cosmic Clown show.
Below this the person will get into defense and offense, commonly
called Make Wrong, and end up in an astounding condition of No Power.
The result of all this is a No Auditability.
THE UNAUDITABILITY RUNDOWN
One approaches this by educating the pc in the above material until
he has a good grasp of it and his good indicators including hope come in.
Then you run,
"Is there an unauditability?"
until the pc can spot one with good reality. You will probably get
VGI's and a good blow down item on the meter when he finds one.
Remember he is not going to know what the unauditability is about,
so don't expect him to get an incident at this stage, he will merely
have spotted a significant area of absolute Non Sovereignty, usually a
mass or unwanted condition.
Then run gently without force,
"WHY are you making this unauditable"
"HOW are you making this unauditable"
until he gets a release.
If you your pc gets jammed and can't find answers to WHY AND HOW,
ask gently:
"Is that because this is an unauditability?"
((This is old and dangerous technology.
Run instead, in all cases
"Get the idea of making something unauditable" etc.
Unauditabilities do not respond to question asking of any kind.
Question asking will just make your preclear spit at you.))
If he gets a release end off.
He may still not be able to spot WHEN, WHERE, WHO or WHAT, but he
will have spotted that there is a WHY and a HOW, and he will begin the
process of reevaluating the WHY to his long term benefit, and in the
meantime he won't be doing the HOW quite so hard.
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PORK
Pip said about adore203.memo being covert anti-semitism:
> Beats the heck out of me too - I read it several times. There's a stuck
> 7 somewhere. Maybe saying something that someone or some group doesn't
> agree with makes you anti-them and whatever
> race-politics-religion-food_group they identify with.
Well the strange thing is the two times now that someone has
accused me of overt or covert anti semitism, it was a non Jew.
Boy do they have overts against Jews! The joke is, it isn't the
*JEWS* who are trying to elect themselves a protected speciies.
Usually my writings are anti everyone, to call that anti semitic,
when I am raking everyone over the coals, is wild hypocrisy, its ok to
take the Christians to task for their nonsense but not the Jews?
Anyhow the posting was probably born in opposition to the God is
Good spew of Carol Willis, and was a restatement of LRH's view that the
Devil is God after he made the universe, and Adore's statement that the
snake was God incarnation.
The snake however is the first part of the Bible, which is probably
more Jewish than Christian, but frankly of all the mature Jews I have
known, they are either Buddhists or atheists.
Also my opinion is Jews have done more for Western Culture than all
the Christians put together with maybe a few exceptions.
Well maybe they are nose to nose.
Anyhow its not the person I attack but the beliefs, and since Jews
tend to not have any beliefs, there isn't much to attack.
I just wish their women wouldn't be so kosher about who they let
stick their pork in them.
Homer
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PORK
Pip said about adore203.memo being covert anti-semitism:
> Beats the heck out of me too - I read it several times. There's a stuck
> 7 somewhere. Maybe saying something that someone or some group doesn't
> agree with makes you anti-them and whatever
> race-politics-religion-food_group they identify with.
Well the strange thing is the two times now that someone has
accused me of overt or covert anti semitism, it was a non Jew.
Boy do they have overts against Jews! The joke is, it isn't the
*JEWS* who are trying to elect themselves a protected speciies.
Usually my writings are anti everyone, to call that anti semitic,
when I am raking everyone over the coals, is wild hypocrisy, its ok to
take the Christians to task for their nonsense but not the Jews?
Anyhow the posting was probably born in opposition to the God is
Good spew of Carol Willis, and was a restatement of LRH's view that the
Devil is God after he made the universe, and Adore's statement that the
snake was God incarnation.
The snake however is the first part of the Bible, which is probably
more Jewish than Christian, but frankly of all the mature Jews I have
known, they are either Buddhists or atheists.
Also my opinion is Jews have done more for Western Culture than all
the Christians put together with maybe a few exceptions.
Well maybe they are nose to nose.
Anyhow its not the person I attack but the beliefs, and since Jews
tend to not have any beliefs, there isn't much to attack.
I just wish their women wouldn't be so kosher about who they let
stick their pork in them.
Homer
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> Another approach once you have an idea what the roadblock is, would be to
> find out what the person needs to move forward eg "what would make you
> strong enough, safe enough, or make it Ok to get better?" then work on
> achieving that first.
This won't work by definition.
Basic dicotomies operating here are
Danger Safety
No Danger No Safetey
Infinite Danger Infinite Safety
Too much Danger Too much Safety
Too little Danger Too little Saftey
Answer to question 'What would happen if you found out?' is Self
Obliteration.
So then run on entire tone scale from Sovereignty on down to
Spiritual Death, including humor, seriousness, importance, permanence
and pain:
"What ______ would you be willing to find out?"
i.e.
What happiness would you be willing to find out?
What interest, conservatism, boredom, antagonism, anger, fear,
sorrow, apathy, guilt, blame, shame etc, would you be willing to find
out?
That should provide some movement and some VGI's.
The Black V is looking at an inconceivably bad future, in fact
its so bad he doesn't have one, eventually he becomes mortal so he can
die and end it all for good one day.
"Earlier similar lifetime you were mortal?" might run after the
above starts to open up, but he has to be able to see first.
Seeing, looking, knowing, emoting, feeling, understanding, being
the effect of, being the cause of etc, are one humongous package. It's
not just a Black 5, but a Black quite a few things.
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> Another approach once you have an idea what the roadblock is, would be to
> find out what the person needs to move forward eg "what would make you
> strong enough, safe enough, or make it Ok to get better?" then work on
> achieving that first.
This won't work by definition.
Basic dicotomies operating here are
Danger Safety
No Danger No Safetey
Infinite Danger Infinite Safety
Too much Danger Too much Safety
Too little Danger Too little Saftey
Answer to question 'What would happen if you found out?' is Self
Obliteration.
So then run on entire tone scale from Sovereignty on down to
Spiritual Death, including humor, seriousness, importance, permanence
and pain:
"What ______ would you be willing to find out?"
i.e.
What happiness would you be willing to find out?
What interest, conservatism, boredom, antagonism, anger, fear,
sorrow, apathy, guilt, blame, shame etc, would you be willing to find
out?
That should provide some movement and some VGI's.
The Black V is looking at an inconceivably bad future, in fact
its so bad he doesn't have one, eventually he becomes mortal so he can
die and end it all for good one day.
"Earlier similar lifetime you were mortal?" might run after the
above starts to open up, but he has to be able to see first.
Seeing, looking, knowing, emoting, feeling, understanding, being
the effect of, being the cause of etc, are one humongous package. It's
not just a Black 5, but a Black quite a few things.
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ENTROPY AND ANTI ENTROPY
The scientific definitions of entropy can be difficult, and are
mostly involved with the tendency of concentrations of energy to flow
out to even concentrations everywhere.
A more useful definition of entropy is a measure of the uselessness
of energy to a given purpose, because in the end energy can neither be
created or destroyed.
For example a hungry man needs energy to stay alive. If you give
him a battery, which has energy in it, he won't be able to utilize it
because he can't eat it. Thus the battery has high entropy relative to
the needs of the user, even though it has a high concentration of
energy. It is a USELESS concentration of energy to that particular
need.
On the other hand if you give bread to a man lost in a dark cave
whose flashlight has gone dim, again the bread will do him little good
because he needs the battery!
As energy is expended in one form, like the battery burning the
light bulb, it tends to expand out into another form, like light
racing across the universe. That light is still energy, but it is of
no further use to the original user of the battery once it is gone.
Unless of course he is signalling mars with his flash light!
But once it hits Mars, the light gets absorbed as heat and is no
more, again it becomes useless to anyone unless one is trying to heat
Mars.
You see how it goes, in many ways entropy is the state of energy in
relation to its usefullness to a particular purpose.
Now it is tempting to say that there is none the less an absolute
state of entropy, a state where energy is useless to everyone, meaning
no longer capable of transforming into any other kind of energy (which
is all that usefullness is), and thus everything eventually becomes an
unchanging state.
But one has to remember that energy comes in two forms, potential
and kinetic. The battery is potential, the light is kinetic.
The Sun is a source of kinetic energy which hits random carbon
dioxide moecules on EARTH splitting them up.
You start with some photons and CO2, and you end up with no photons
and Carbon and Oxygen. Is that a higher state of entropy? Well
relative to the sun yes, but relative to an animal no.
Although highly simplified here, the carbon forms plants and trees,
and act as a storage battery for the light from the suns. Plants are
the battery in a state of charge.
Animals would much prefer that a plant cell trap a photon, than a
rock where the light is 'lost' to heat.
But the heat keeps the plant warm, and alive, for if it gets too
cold, the plant won't live.
The animal eats the plant using up the charge in the battery, and
turns it into muscle power which it uses to plant more plants or build
silos for plants, or tranportation systems for plants, a civilization in
other words.
Thus we have a small eddy of anti entropy that takes photons from
the sun, stores them as plants, gets eaten as animals which do useful
work (relative to them) to build civilizations. THEN the photon escapes
as heat into space never to be useful again :).
Until it hits Mars and helps them grow plants too (in the future).
So the flow of energy from high concentrations (anti entropy) to
low dispersed uselessness is not a simple path, and what happens along
the way is everything we call life.
Life is the death throes of anti-entropy heading for entropy.
In this model life is swirls in a river where things go around and
round, but eventually EVERYTHING gets swept out to sea (final entropy).
But in all this we need to remember that what started out as
kinetic energy from the sun, ends up as potential energy, first in the
carbon of the plants, and finally as background cosmic radiation.
Take a ball and throw it up in the air, when it reaches it's top it
no longer has an kinetic energy, but all the energy is still there as
potential energy. Some was lost to friction in the air as heat and it
is gone to the great dispersement in the sky, or off to heat Mars.
But the rest is recoverable as the ball falls back down and hits
your hand as fast as you sent it up, almost.
So the entire universe is expanding and thus storing all of its
expended energy as gravitational potential energy. This might be
useless to any thing in that universe near the end when things are at
maximum expansion, and maximum dispersement, but the energy is all still
there!
*IF* the universe turns around and starts to collapse under its own
gravitational field, just like the ball turning around and dropping,
then all that dispersed energy gets concentrated again until the
universe either crashes into itself at an infinite point or passes by
itself, or through itself at a very small point and starts another
expansion cycle. At that point all the potential energy is now again
kinetic.
If the universe never turns around and just keeps expanding forever
because its original impetus had escape velocity, or because new energy
is being pumped into the system, then entropy will grow forever, but the
energy is never lost.
Because there is nothing saying that a universe must fundamentally
expand forever, entropy then is only king while its in the lime light,
for in a universe that does contract, like the ball falls once thrown in
the air, anti entropy becomes king during the reverse process.
Since life depends on a balance of anti entropy and entropy,
not an excessive amount of each, as the universe collapses back
into itself, it may be that the life forms that survive will be
the ones that create the greatest ENTROPY for themselves to keep
themselves alive for a while.
Homer
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ENTROPY AND ANTI ENTROPY
The scientific definitions of entropy can be difficult, and are
mostly involved with the tendency of concentrations of energy to flow
out to even concentrations everywhere.
A more useful definition of entropy is a measure of the uselessness
of energy to a given purpose, because in the end energy can neither be
created or destroyed.
For example a hungry man needs energy to stay alive. If you give
him a battery, which has energy in it, he won't be able to utilize it
because he can't eat it. Thus the battery has high entropy relative to
the needs of the user, even though it has a high concentration of
energy. It is a USELESS concentration of energy to that particular
need.
On the other hand if you give bread to a man lost in a dark cave
whose flashlight has gone dim, again the bread will do him little good
because he needs the battery!
As energy is expended in one form, like the battery burning the
light bulb, it tends to expand out into another form, like light
racing across the universe. That light is still energy, but it is of
no further use to the original user of the battery once it is gone.
Unless of course he is signalling mars with his flash light!
But once it hits Mars, the light gets absorbed as heat and is no
more, again it becomes useless to anyone unless one is trying to heat
Mars.
You see how it goes, in many ways entropy is the state of energy in
relation to its usefullness to a particular purpose.
Now it is tempting to say that there is none the less an absolute
state of entropy, a state where energy is useless to everyone, meaning
no longer capable of transforming into any other kind of energy (which
is all that usefullness is), and thus everything eventually becomes an
unchanging state.
But one has to remember that energy comes in two forms, potential
and kinetic. The battery is potential, the light is kinetic.
The Sun is a source of kinetic energy which hits random carbon
dioxide moecules on EARTH splitting them up.
You start with some photons and CO2, and you end up with no photons
and Carbon and Oxygen. Is that a higher state of entropy? Well
relative to the sun yes, but relative to an animal no.
Although highly simplified here, the carbon forms plants and trees,
and act as a storage battery for the light from the suns. Plants are
the battery in a state of charge.
Animals would much prefer that a plant cell trap a photon, than a
rock where the light is 'lost' to heat.
But the heat keeps the plant warm, and alive, for if it gets too
cold, the plant won't live.
The animal eats the plant using up the charge in the battery, and
turns it into muscle power which it uses to plant more plants or build
silos for plants, or tranportation systems for plants, a civilization in
other words.
Thus we have a small eddy of anti entropy that takes photons from
the sun, stores them as plants, gets eaten as animals which do useful
work (relative to them) to build civilizations. THEN the photon escapes
as heat into space never to be useful again :).
Until it hits Mars and helps them grow plants too (in the future).
So the flow of energy from high concentrations (anti entropy) to
low dispersed uselessness is not a simple path, and what happens along
the way is everything we call life.
Life is the death throes of anti-entropy heading for entropy.
In this model life is swirls in a river where things go around and
round, but eventually EVERYTHING gets swept out to sea (final entropy).
But in all this we need to remember that what started out as
kinetic energy from the sun, ends up as potential energy, first in the
carbon of the plants, and finally as background cosmic radiation.
Take a ball and throw it up in the air, when it reaches it's top it
no longer has an kinetic energy, but all the energy is still there as
potential energy. Some was lost to friction in the air as heat and it
is gone to the great dispersement in the sky, or off to heat Mars.
But the rest is recoverable as the ball falls back down and hits
your hand as fast as you sent it up, almost.
So the entire universe is expanding and thus storing all of its
expended energy as gravitational potential energy. This might be
useless to any thing in that universe near the end when things are at
maximum expansion, and maximum dispersement, but the energy is all still
there!
*IF* the universe turns around and starts to collapse under its own
gravitational field, just like the ball turning around and dropping,
then all that dispersed energy gets concentrated again until the
universe either crashes into itself at an infinite point or passes by
itself, or through itself at a very small point and starts another
expansion cycle. At that point all the potential energy is now again
kinetic.
If the universe never turns around and just keeps expanding forever
because its original impetus had escape velocity, or because new energy
is being pumped into the system, then entropy will grow forever, but the
energy is never lost.
Because there is nothing saying that a universe must fundamentally
expand forever, entropy then is only king while its in the lime light,
for in a universe that does contract, like the ball falls once thrown in
the air, anti entropy becomes king during the reverse process.
Since life depends on a balance of anti entropy and entropy,
not an excessive amount of each, as the universe collapses back
into itself, it may be that the life forms that survive will be
the ones that create the greatest ENTROPY for themselves to keep
themselves alive for a while.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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VALUEABLE FINAL PRODUCT OF BEING AND BECOMING
This is about the posting below.
The valuable *FINAL* product of activity can not be BEING
nor even better BEING.
Instead of BEING maybe you mean BECOMING, better BECOMING.
BEING is above space and time, and has no better or worse.
You HAD better BEING, what are you now doing BECOMING down here in
life?
Life seems to be mostly of games, games are games of BECOMING, so the
VFP of BEING might be quality games of BECOMING.
The VFP of the guy while he is BECOMING some identity or another
inside a game is what ever the game defines as valuable, food, water and
shelter say.
I remind everyone that one can not BE an identity, that's a serious
alter-is. One can only BECOME an identity, which means not just the first
moment of moving into the identity from a state of BEING, but continuing
the identity from that first moment of assumption to the last moment of
deassumption.
English makes this hard, one says "I AM A COP". "I AM BEING A COP".
No, one is BECOMING A COP in space and time, continuously as long as
one is a cop, you see?
If he were BEING a cop, it would be a spaceless and timeless cop.
Thus BEING can not be improved, but BECOMING can be, and thus
quality BECOMING is the VFP of BEING.
Homer
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
> On Dec 6, 6:19?am, Keith <ksj...@invalid.tld> wrote:
>>
>> IMO Oatee powers are mostly a plate of wishful thinking with a healthy
>> heaping of "Scientology processing" to unhinge one's perception of
>> what's actually going on. Mass delusion by agreement. Riddle me this -
>> why don't we ever hear Oatees doing something to help mankind. How about
>> postulating some well-fed children for a change. This "yes I can, no you
>> can't" is getting very silly.
>>
>> In the 40+ years Scientology has plagued mankind, no one even came close
>> to proving the validity of "the state of clear", let alone any oatee
>> powers. At least this is the way this wog sees it.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, forget showing off your powers. Feed some starving
>> children - postulate trucks of food; that will show them unbelievers.
>>
>> Personally, I couldn't care if you can move mountains and leap tall
>> buildings. If you have this ability (even though you argue against
>> demonstrating it), help some people who need it.
>>
>> That would impress me. Not useless banter whether they exist or not. And
>> to be honest, if anything is possible in improving the human spirit and
>> aiding in the discovery of possible new abilities, I would seriously
>> doubt that Scientology would fill this bill.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>> PS Above is only my opinion.
>>
>
> Dapperdobbs said:
>
> IMO, you are a smart and practical guy Keith, and I get this idea you
> help people as you can, when you can, with your rationality and I'm
> sure you have many friends and will do continue to do very well in
> life. It is important, and people do try to do the best they can even
> in the face of a great many very personal reasons to hate and quit and
> destroy. Those trying to do good by making positive statements make
> easy targets for the tiny minority who would ridicule anything
> positive - I wish I knew the entire 'secret' as to why that is, but I
> see it on the internet all the time - 'trolls' who seem to have no
> other purpose than inciting to riot, and the only logical point these
> 'guys' have is to make wrong. I know it's not that hard to make
> someone right, with just a little looking and a little thought. With a
> little practice, it's possible to learn to ask someone a question with
> real personal interest to them, to try to get them to see a bit more
> about themselves or about others. I know someone who is really good at
> asking good questions, and the guy isn't a Scientologist.
>
> My personal experience in this life has not been an easy one - good
> spots and rough spots, but the bad spots almost killed me. I'm sure
> you're used to hearing people tell you stories of their lives. When I
> ran into Sccn, it was still an OK organization. It had just started
> turning bad. So I left. But the brief contact I had with it literally
> saved me by getting me back on track in life. I got a lot of support
> from my family and friends too. When some smarter guys in Scn left the
> CoS, I got in touch with them, and then I made some real progress. For
> literally one-tenth the money the CoS wanted, I got my OT levels in.
> This was not perfect, understand, but it was good enough for me to
> achieve what I set out to get.
>
> This is hard to express or say, and I'm not trying to be an ass or
> make anyone feel guilty, but somehow some people had more solid
> footing in life than I did. Not many, OK, but to do what I wanted, to
> have what I still want, requires a high level of smarts, and I've met
> guys who have a better grip on things. Through my own efforts, and
> through auditing to straighten out some major strictly personal
> roadblocks, I see that the trouble I got into, I created. I got into
> it. Sure there were a minortiy of people there pushing anyone they
> could into trouble, and a lot of people who didn't know what to do or
> didn't care, and too few people to catche me before I screwed up. I
> also see that getting out of trouble is my doing. Scn was there, but I
> took it and used it.
>
> A few months ago, all on my own, and for the first time in my life,
> fully conscious, fully awake, I moved out of my body. I'm sure there
> are some who might read that and laugh, and think about some guy who's
> now really screwed up. OK with me - I try not to tell someone what to
> think. Part of going exterior at will with full perceptics is the
> simple and very real realization that one exists in one's own
> universe, independently of others. Although agreements do exist, these
> are made (agreed on) by an individual, and he's free to unmake them at
> any time. I'm not talking about intentional betrayals, you understand,
> simply the facts that because I agree to meet someone tomorrow doesn't
> mean I can't go on and live my life inbetween now and then. That's
> really obvious, but when one gets into recollections of past lives,
> and the physical world, it takes on a kind of a bigger weight - that
> is my experience, in any case.
>
> Certainty is a funny thing. If one is certain about something, one is
> certain of it. I don't have any "super abilities" (as much as I
> imagine I would like to have some). I can't move ashtrays - or I
> haven't yet, in any case. I'm not sure I would tell, if I did, but
> then again, I'm not what anyone would call a conformist. One thing I
> am absolutely certain of is that if I do move an ashtray, it will seem
> like the most perfectly normal and natural thing in the world to me,
> personally.
>
> If I may ask you to retread back to where I started, many many years
> ago, I would have thought that if I could ask someone a simple natural
> logical question that led the guy to see more about himself and life,
> I'd be some kind of supernatural genius. That's where I was. Today, I
> sometimes get a good question in, and it seems like an obvious thing
> to me when I do. I kick myself for not having seen that question
> sooner than I did. I deplore the current CoS, and I'm not so sure that
> one large organization was a good idea to begin with, but really, it's
> the usual band of idiots who could screw up boiling an egg for
> breakfast. It's going to be that way for some time, the way I see it.
> But this time around, and next time around, I'm going to try to do
> something about it. You know, I''m sure, that making big changes in a
> society is done on a person-by-person basis. Sure we get leaders, but
> the ideas and visions of those leaders are what makes one guy move,
> then another, and another. It's the idea and the clarity of vision.
> One man can defeat an army of a billion men - if the one man is
> fighting on the right side, others will see that. (Too bad that moron
> Rommel missed that one, until the very end. Intimidation is a result
> of lack of certainty. And if one truly sees another, however
> terrifying, the right question will destroy the most evil - sometimes
> all it takes is a chuckle. Don't fight on their side of the court, but
> stay on your own side, and move on your own time. Churchill proved
> that words and will and certainty are more powerful than Tiger tanks -
> so did some guys in Beijing, standing in front of tanks. This is why
> tyrants want to squish free speech, first.)
>
> So that's what I wanted to float in front of you, my thoughts and
> experience. Scientology the study is good. It won't do everything - an
> individual has to take it, seize it, and put in some careful thought.
> The CoS is currently a bust. I haven't had anything to do with any of
> those guys for many years.
>
> This struggle for Knowledge and for a chance for many individuals to
> make better lives for themselves on their own accord, is what
> Scientology the study is about. The individual is first, Scn is
> something he can take and use to great benefit for himself and for
> those around him.
>
> I'll leave you with a question I'm working on. What is a being's
> principal activity? In other words, what is a being's principal
> product, that can be useful to others? Some on a web forum have said
> one after another, that "Being" is a being's principal activity.
> Sounds logical to me, makes sense, and I can see it and feel it. If
> that's a starting point, then it seems to me that "having a viewpoint"
> is a very similar statement. But that principal product isn't entirely
> satisfying, since obviously there are many sub-products, or products
> that stem from that: knowledge, for example. And one can have
> knowledge about many things. I don't know if Hubbard ever asked that
> or phrased that in those particular words, but if you follow that line
> of questioning, you end up with "The Factors" of Scientology (puts it
> all in a nutshell of three or four pages). And you end up with a lot
> of other Scn stuff as well, like Affinity, Reality, and Communication.
> You end up tracing all he way down to the basics of how to audit. From
> there, moving back from specific "how to's" in a very practical sense,
> moving back towards the philosophy of Scn, all the way back up, you
> end up with Being, again. Scn is just about facilitating better being,
> or being better, for one's own pleasure and benefit, as well as for
> others.
>
> It simply could not be more normal and natural. But look at the furor,
> and the mess, this has created, and continues to create. It isn't that
> it is wrong - far from it. It is that too few get it.
>
> Taking my cue from you, a bright guy: All of the above is a reflection
> of my personal viewpoint and opinion and experience, and should not be
> taken as "the truth" by anyone.
>
> Tue Dec 7 23:27:47 EST 2010
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> Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
> Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
> not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
>
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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VALUEABLE FINAL PRODUCT OF BEING AND BECOMING
This is about the posting below.
The valuable *FINAL* product of activity can not be BEING
nor even better BEING.
Instead of BEING maybe you mean BECOMING, better BECOMING.
BEING is above space and time, and has no better or worse.
You HAD better BEING, what are you now doing BECOMING down here in
life?
Life seems to be mostly of games, games are games of BECOMING, so the
VFP of BEING might be quality games of BECOMING.
The VFP of the guy while he is BECOMING some identity or another
inside a game is what ever the game defines as valuable, food, water and
shelter say.
I remind everyone that one can not BE an identity, that's a serious
alter-is. One can only BECOME an identity, which means not just the first
moment of moving into the identity from a state of BEING, but continuing
the identity from that first moment of assumption to the last moment of
deassumption.
English makes this hard, one says "I AM A COP". "I AM BEING A COP".
No, one is BECOMING A COP in space and time, continuously as long as
one is a cop, you see?
If he were BEING a cop, it would be a spaceless and timeless cop.
Thus BEING can not be improved, but BECOMING can be, and thus
quality BECOMING is the VFP of BEING.
Homer
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Clearing Archive Roboposter wrote:
>
> On Dec 6, 6:19?am, Keith <ksj...@invalid.tld> wrote:
>>
>> IMO Oatee powers are mostly a plate of wishful thinking with a healthy
>> heaping of "Scientology processing" to unhinge one's perception of
>> what's actually going on. Mass delusion by agreement. Riddle me this -
>> why don't we ever hear Oatees doing something to help mankind. How about
>> postulating some well-fed children for a change. This "yes I can, no you
>> can't" is getting very silly.
>>
>> In the 40+ years Scientology has plagued mankind, no one even came close
>> to proving the validity of "the state of clear", let alone any oatee
>> powers. At least this is the way this wog sees it.
>>
>> If I'm wrong, forget showing off your powers. Feed some starving
>> children - postulate trucks of food; that will show them unbelievers.
>>
>> Personally, I couldn't care if you can move mountains and leap tall
>> buildings. If you have this ability (even though you argue against
>> demonstrating it), help some people who need it.
>>
>> That would impress me. Not useless banter whether they exist or not. And
>> to be honest, if anything is possible in improving the human spirit and
>> aiding in the discovery of possible new abilities, I would seriously
>> doubt that Scientology would fill this bill.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>> PS Above is only my opinion.
>>
>
> Dapperdobbs said:
>
> IMO, you are a smart and practical guy Keith, and I get this idea you
> help people as you can, when you can, with your rationality and I'm
> sure you have many friends and will do continue to do very well in
> life. It is important, and people do try to do the best they can even
> in the face of a great many very personal reasons to hate and quit and
> destroy. Those trying to do good by making positive statements make
> easy targets for the tiny minority who would ridicule anything
> positive - I wish I knew the entire 'secret' as to why that is, but I
> see it on the internet all the time - 'trolls' who seem to have no
> other purpose than inciting to riot, and the only logical point these
> 'guys' have is to make wrong. I know it's not that hard to make
> someone right, with just a little looking and a little thought. With a
> little practice, it's possible to learn to ask someone a question with
> real personal interest to them, to try to get them to see a bit more
> about themselves or about others. I know someone who is really good at
> asking good questions, and the guy isn't a Scientologist.
>
> My personal experience in this life has not been an easy one - good
> spots and rough spots, but the bad spots almost killed me. I'm sure
> you're used to hearing people tell you stories of their lives. When I
> ran into Sccn, it was still an OK organization. It had just started
> turning bad. So I left. But the brief contact I had with it literally
> saved me by getting me back on track in life. I got a lot of support
> from my family and friends too. When some smarter guys in Scn left the
> CoS, I got in touch with them, and then I made some real progress. For
> literally one-tenth the money the CoS wanted, I got my OT levels in.
> This was not perfect, understand, but it was good enough for me to
> achieve what I set out to get.
>
> This is hard to express or say, and I'm not trying to be an ass or
> make anyone feel guilty, but somehow some people had more solid
> footing in life than I did. Not many, OK, but to do what I wanted, to
> have what I still want, requires a high level of smarts, and I've met
> guys who have a better grip on things. Through my own efforts, and
> through auditing to straighten out some major strictly personal
> roadblocks, I see that the trouble I got into, I created. I got into
> it. Sure there were a minortiy of people there pushing anyone they
> could into trouble, and a lot of people who didn't know what to do or
> didn't care, and too few people to catche me before I screwed up. I
> also see that getting out of trouble is my doing. Scn was there, but I
> took it and used it.
>
> A few months ago, all on my own, and for the first time in my life,
> fully conscious, fully awake, I moved out of my body. I'm sure there
> are some who might read that and laugh, and think about some guy who's
> now really screwed up. OK with me - I try not to tell someone what to
> think. Part of going exterior at will with full perceptics is the
> simple and very real realization that one exists in one's own
> universe, independently of others. Although agreements do exist, these
> are made (agreed on) by an individual, and he's free to unmake them at
> any time. I'm not talking about intentional betrayals, you understand,
> simply the facts that because I agree to meet someone tomorrow doesn't
> mean I can't go on and live my life inbetween now and then. That's
> really obvious, but when one gets into recollections of past lives,
> and the physical world, it takes on a kind of a bigger weight - that
> is my experience, in any case.
>
> Certainty is a funny thing. If one is certain about something, one is
> certain of it. I don't have any "super abilities" (as much as I
> imagine I would like to have some). I can't move ashtrays - or I
> haven't yet, in any case. I'm not sure I would tell, if I did, but
> then again, I'm not what anyone would call a conformist. One thing I
> am absolutely certain of is that if I do move an ashtray, it will seem
> like the most perfectly normal and natural thing in the world to me,
> personally.
>
> If I may ask you to retread back to where I started, many many years
> ago, I would have thought that if I could ask someone a simple natural
> logical question that led the guy to see more about himself and life,
> I'd be some kind of supernatural genius. That's where I was. Today, I
> sometimes get a good question in, and it seems like an obvious thing
> to me when I do. I kick myself for not having seen that question
> sooner than I did. I deplore the current CoS, and I'm not so sure that
> one large organization was a good idea to begin with, but really, it's
> the usual band of idiots who could screw up boiling an egg for
> breakfast. It's going to be that way for some time, the way I see it.
> But this time around, and next time around, I'm going to try to do
> something about it. You know, I''m sure, that making big changes in a
> society is done on a person-by-person basis. Sure we get leaders, but
> the ideas and visions of those leaders are what makes one guy move,
> then another, and another. It's the idea and the clarity of vision.
> One man can defeat an army of a billion men - if the one man is
> fighting on the right side, others will see that. (Too bad that moron
> Rommel missed that one, until the very end. Intimidation is a result
> of lack of certainty. And if one truly sees another, however
> terrifying, the right question will destroy the most evil - sometimes
> all it takes is a chuckle. Don't fight on their side of the court, but
> stay on your own side, and move on your own time. Churchill proved
> that words and will and certainty are more powerful than Tiger tanks -
> so did some guys in Beijing, standing in front of tanks. This is why
> tyrants want to squish free speech, first.)
>
> So that's what I wanted to float in front of you, my thoughts and
> experience. Scientology the study is good. It won't do everything - an
> individual has to take it, seize it, and put in some careful thought.
> The CoS is currently a bust. I haven't had anything to do with any of
> those guys for many years.
>
> This struggle for Knowledge and for a chance for many individuals to
> make better lives for themselves on their own accord, is what
> Scientology the study is about. The individual is first, Scn is
> something he can take and use to great benefit for himself and for
> those around him.
>
> I'll leave you with a question I'm working on. What is a being's
> principal activity? In other words, what is a being's principal
> product, that can be useful to others? Some on a web forum have said
> one after another, that "Being" is a being's principal activity.
> Sounds logical to me, makes sense, and I can see it and feel it. If
> that's a starting point, then it seems to me that "having a viewpoint"
> is a very similar statement. But that principal product isn't entirely
> satisfying, since obviously there are many sub-products, or products
> that stem from that: knowledge, for example. And one can have
> knowledge about many things. I don't know if Hubbard ever asked that
> or phrased that in those particular words, but if you follow that line
> of questioning, you end up with "The Factors" of Scientology (puts it
> all in a nutshell of three or four pages). And you end up with a lot
> of other Scn stuff as well, like Affinity, Reality, and Communication.
> You end up tracing all he way down to the basics of how to audit. From
> there, moving back from specific "how to's" in a very practical sense,
> moving back towards the philosophy of Scn, all the way back up, you
> end up with Being, again. Scn is just about facilitating better being,
> or being better, for one's own pleasure and benefit, as well as for
> others.
>
> It simply could not be more normal and natural. But look at the furor,
> and the mess, this has created, and continues to create. It isn't that
> it is wrong - far from it. It is that too few get it.
>
> Taking my cue from you, a bright guy: All of the above is a reflection
> of my personal viewpoint and opinion and experience, and should not be
> taken as "the truth" by anyone.
>
> Tue Dec 7 23:27:47 EST 2010
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> Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
> Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning, but
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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