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EXPERIENCES
Originally posted to ADORE-L which no longer exits.
This guy eventually wrote me many years later, he had become a born
again Christian.
This posting is old, it dates back to 1989. One indication is a
lack of distinction between eternality outside of time, and immortality
inside of time.
Also the auditing processes are not in cannonical format.
Today I would run simply:
Spot NO fear of future. Spot SOME fear of future.
With attention to future mortalities, fragile immortalities,
immortalities and eternalities.
Fragile immortalities were a time on the track when a being had an
immortal body but it was fragile and could be killed by force. The game
was how long you could live before you or someone else fucked up and
clobbered the body beyond repair. People lived thousands of years
before losing it. Wars were engaged in, inspite of the risk. In many
cases life became unworthy of living, and suicide became rampant.
Suicide was declared illegal and the punishment was life in prison,
where you COULDN'T kill yourself if you wanted to.
'Life' sentences were particuarly brutal and are echoed today in
our criminal policies that prevent a criminal from killing himself. You
can't punish him further if he is dead. The desire to cause pain to
someone as revenge rather than just dispense with their lives as a
practicality are also echoed today in false religious beliefs about hell
forever. If God doesn't like a sinner, He should just terminate their
existence rather than make the sinner suffer forever, begging to die but
not being able to. The cause of much mental illness is the belief in a
mentally ill God.
The legal idea was that the proper penalty for causing the death of
someone, who otherwise COULD HAVE lived forever, was not death in
exchange, but being caused to SUFFER alive forever, as that was the
result on the loved one's left behind of the one who was killed. They
get to continue living without the murdered one, and thus they are
suffering forever and thus they demanded that the culprit do so also.
This is all going to come up again in the next 100 years on Earth
as fragile, but otherwise immortal bodies, are genetically produced on a
wide scale. The aging and normal biological death of bodies is a silly
genetic error that they already know how to fix, they just haven't
gotten around to doing it yet.
Biological death was chosen by simple Darwian selection, those that
lived the longest were not the ones who lived and procreated the best.
For one, overpopulation is death to a fragile immortal body, and total
hell to a truely non fragile immortal body. Thus biological immortality
is not biologically desirable.
Man however will certainly change all that within the next 100
years, by unselecting for biologically mortal bodies, as he figures out
the solution to the aging problem, and the mess that will result on
Earth from that will exceed anything written in the books of man.
I would purchase the movie rights now.
Homer
JMC wrote:
>I have been one of the people that has continued to ask for descriptions
>of some religious experiences here. The reason I'm doing this, personally,
>is that I would like to be able to understand where Homer is coming from.
>I don't plan on criticizing anyone over this. How can you find any
>criticism in an account of what a person was experiencing? You can
>criticize the interpretations of the experience, but it's the experience
>itself, not the interpretation, that I'm looking for from Homer.
One reason is that I don't want to set myself up for criticisms of
the interpretation of the experience. Some would say it is the
experience that is important, others would say it is the interpretation
of the experience. I like to keep them separate so that no one can say
I am an idiot for taking interpretation A from experience B. People
already think I am an idiot, why give them fuel to throw on the fire?
It is THEIR immortality they are laughing at. Fuck em. You know what I
mean?
Another reason is that experiences are very ephemeral and often
beyond words. Thus trying to describe an experience ALWAYS gets the
other person to come up with a false conception of what you are talking
about, which they then attack you for drawing interpretations from.
Especially people who have had no 'experiences.' Trying to describe one
to such a person is a no win situation and just makes matters worse. On
the other hand people who HAVE had experiences of something or other CAN
glean some measure of understanding from what you might describe, but
they have already experienced it, so why discuss it? Except of course
to discuss the ramifications which gets into interpretations.
Another reason that I don't like getting into describing
experiences, besides the fact that it is literally telling the enemy
exactly what your armaments are, is that people get into a one upmanship
about who has experienced what, and some get to feeling very depressed
because 'THEY'VE never experienced THAT.'
One of the most basic experiences that people are looking for is
RECOGNITION. Recognition of themselves, their choices, and the people
they have known and loved down the ages. Most people slough off the
moment of recognition as they know there is nothing to really recognize.
Of course they are wrong, there are millions and millions of years and
people and things and places to recognize, and it is a great joy when
you finally meet someone you REMEMBER, even if only in a dream.
It is very much like finding a true friend you did not know you had
forgotten. Then you begin to ask 'How long has this been going on?' It
is enough to make chills crawl up and down your spine.
Of course others walk around recognizing every dog cat and
cockcroach they see, but they are just giving the whole subject a bad
name.
It is true that many insane people think they are Napolean. But
what about all the insane people who think they are bodies and live just
once?
Out there somewhere IS Napolean, maybe not quite sure he should say
anything about it because no one would believe him.
The next experience that most are looking for are clear memories of
past places that are no longer. Other planets, other times, even home
universe. Unfortunately our memories are so chock full of OTHERS
memories that we often take any clear image that comes along and call it
ours. Well it may belong to someone, but not necessarily to YOU. When
you find your own memory in the junk heap of images, you will find some
serenity of self you have not known for trillenia.
Serenity of Being, Eternal Omni Sovereignty, these are absolute
states at the very highest reaches of ability that we can again contact
in this life. People CLAIM to contact these states, but check out their
contact with reality and their ability to deal with it. Gods do not
have any problems. Bums merely claim they have no problems. But they
have no accomplishments either.
A person who has really made it will be surrounded by
accomplishments.
>We already know his conclusions, but what we don't know is why he
>feels that way.
I feel this way because the conclusions WORK.
They start off as a theory, you try them out, you see they work,
and they become conclusions.
The way in is the way out. Have a headache? Make MORE. Don't
have a headache? Make one. If you had been taught these principles
from childhood you would be able to make headaches come and go with
ease. If you become bent on trying to STOP a headache that 'something
else' created, you will get stuck with the headache. If you learn to
START headaches, then you can out start anything else that might be
trying to make a headache for you, and you will not get stuck with them
unless you want to.
Of course if everyone could make headaches come and go and KNEW
that everyone could do this, you could never USE a headache to get out
of school. Or allergies, or colds, or flu or cancer.
Everyone is terrified of cancer, but NO ONE is practicing MAKING a
cancer in their bodies. They are afraid they might get stuck with it.
But if you can MAKE it you can UNMAKE it. So people devote themselves
to NOT MAKING cancers and they die of them routinely.
Earth is a joke. A sick joke perhaps, but a Majestic sick joke
that plays on the God-child's refusal to operate what he fears the most.
If you make a big ugly looking spider and then run away from it, IT WILL
come after you. You SAID so in the running away from it, don't you see?
Of course if you just sit there in apathy and DON'T run away from
it, it will eat you anyhow. You gotta MAKE it. And chose to run away
from it and have it come after you. THEN it will vanish. It is a
matter of whether you OWN it while you are doing it, or you chose to
believe your mockups for real. In which case you will get eaten every
time. YOU SAID SO.
>Certainly, his philosophies are not shared by
>the majority of the people,
Not so. Maybe in AMERICA the majority of the people are meatballs
but America is a decadent piece of pollution on the waters of the Earth.
Its advancement in the high tech area is matched only by the depth of
sleep that its zombie citizens are walking around in.
Hell America is run by a sub class of humans who believe that GOD
died for your sins. If this is not the pit of philosophical putritude,
I do not know what is.
((It is possible that some people need to have God pay their ticket
for them, but others don't. So its not true that only Christians will
be saved, but it might be true that only Christians needed to have God
pay their ticket for them.
"There is peace in the thought that one day *ALL* men will attained
the enlightened state." - Sufi))
Other countries are not much better, because all of EARTH is an
insane asylum for the spiritually retarded that could not or would not
get along with others out in the real universe. We have all had our
memories EXECUTED out of us, (its still there though) and we have been
dumped here in the hope that we would never have to be dealt with again.
Of course the civilizations that dumped us here were not the height of
wonder themselves. But at least they knew about immortality.
>and so it goes without saying that
>he should explain WHY he feels that way if he wants to be understood
>by us mundane folks.
It is not my goal to be understood by mundane folks. It is my goal
to share understanding with others who have it. Those who don't, or who
need PROOF before they will LOOK are invited to get lost. I owe them
nothing.
Those with no evidence or 'experiences' of their own are shallower
than a dry river bed and deserve little consideration, as it is not by
innocent error that they are this way.
They are indeed very fortunate to have someone daring enough to
even open their mouth on this subject right or wrong.
In fact those who are green apprehentices to this subject matter
should keep their mouths shut until they gain some understanding they
can share with others.
At worst they should treat those they question with some respect.
It starts with knowing that there is something to know, that you do not
know it, and that the one you are questioning might know it. It does
not start with trying to denounce or debunk the person in question.
THAT is for the SKEPTICS-L list and such people who behave in this
manner will be treated with total contempt on this list.
Skeptics are in a kind of hell. They DOUBT they CHOSE, and they
DOUBT they CHOSE to DOUBT they CHOSE. Who now owes them a free ride
out? If they LISTEN and LOOK and APPLY they might be able to take
advantage of the fact that they are allowed to communicate with those
who have already done some of the dangerous work and have attained some
measure of ability. Those who have no ability in these matters are not
OWED by those that do.
Since most ability comes from within yourself anyway, screaming and
yelling about others not sharing their secrets with you is only partly
valid. If you have to do it alone, you have to do it alone. To say 'I
will not believe, until you prove it to me, that there is something to
believe' is to continue the joke which is on YOU. YOU PROVE IT TO
YOURSELF.
Then I can heckle you. What a joy that will be. I can't wait.
>But then again, a religious experience has got to be the Ultimate
>Personal Thing, so I can understand why he might be hesitant to
>reveal anything. This is all well and good.
Yes. The personal thing about it is the PAIN. The joke we have
played on ourselves is much like nailing ourselves to a cross in public
view for all to see. Once we did that to ourselves, we may even have
nailed a few of our friends to something too.
Disentangling the blame shame and regret takes a bit of nerve and
is best done in private or with a trained person, one who has attained a
release state themselves. (No I am not there. Yet.) They will not
laugh at you during your worst moments, and they will not be afraid if
you really do get back the ability to exteriorize and generate a few
million electron volts.
A spirit out of a body and free from his own constraints measures
his energy output in kiloton-lightyears per microsecond. That is really
a unit of momentum, mass times velocity, but since a spirit does not
have to go through the acceleration phase to get something moving, it is
essentially a unit of energy, or 'kick in the face'.
Imagine getting hit with a kiloton lightyear per microsecond of
mass and velocity? You don't fool around with such spirits, and you
don't laugh at them and you don't ask them to fucking PROVE IT.
'He who speaks, knows not' really applies to the hecklers in the
crowd who have no idea WHAT THEY ARE HECKLING. Especially when their
target is one of the few that DO speak and happen to know where from
they speak.
Mostly those who know, just simply choose to not speak lest they
and their friends get heckled out of existence.
>BUT, until he describes WHY he feels the way he does, I for one will find
>it hard to place any more credibility in his statements than any other
>non-obvious statements made by the average lunatic.
The implication here is that you will quickly change your mind as
soon as I cough up the required data. This is false. YOU may think it
will help. I KNOW it won't.
Only one thing will convince that you the way in is the way out.
DO it and HAVE IT WORK. Until then you are out of luck.
By the way I HAVE done it and it DOES WORK. But there is a LOT to
do it TO. Get it? You wont go free in a day. Unless of course you do,
in which case please let me be the first to know. I am tired of all
this long slow work.
>I can say "we all have tiny brown rabbits living inside our heads"
>all I want, but until I submit my reason for feeling that way, my
>ideas are not going to be taken with too much respect.
Your reason for feeling that way is you have SEEN the rabbits, no?
You have also seen that you have chosen to NOT SEE the rabbits, and that
the only way to SEE them again is to practice NOT SEEING them until you
perfectly duplicate what you did to shut them out at which moment you
will see them again.
Of course if others do NOT have rabbits in their heads, this will
not work. How will you ever know the difference? Good point. Well USE
the method and if you end up seeing the rabbits, they were there all
along. If you don't, maybe they weren't.
But what if you don't use the method right, so you don't end up
seeing the rabbits? How will you know if you did the method right and
the rabbits were not there, or if you did NOT do the method right so the
rabbits are still just not SEEN.
Ah well, spirits have been scratching their balls for millions of
years over that one. But look we are talking about your IMMORTALITY.
Not your rabbits. OF COURSE you are Immortal. It is up to you to keep
applying the method until you see the fact for yourself. Of course its
no good cheating and turning to BELIEF or some other such nonsense. You
gotta keep doing it until you SEE for SURE how old you really are.
Eternity is a long time. It takes a tad of confront to look upon
it. Sort of like looking out into endless open space. But in any case
it is the CHOICE you need to see. Not just a bunch of time. You can
look at eternity all you want and not get better. You have to see YOUR
HAND in your involvement with space and time in order to regain your
full self determinism over it. Until then you are lost forever in the
sea of space and time and OTHER DETERMINISM.
>So, Homer, unless you loosen up a little bit and share some of
>your data, I don't understand how you can expect NOT to have a
>constant stream of attacks from the meat-ball skeptics.
You are right I should grow up and expect the attacks.
But if for one moment those people saw how silly they looked they
would clam it up immediately and start applying the data rather than
screaming for proof.
For example a good thing to run on yourself or a friend is,
'Look around here and spot some evidence that you are not
responsible for your condition.'
'Look around here and spot some evidence that you ARE
responsible for your condition.'
Dont try to white wash it by saying, well I am really responsible
for my condition because I did so and so. Did you chose EARTH? Did you
chose AMERICA? Did you put the stars in the sky? Do you make it rain?
How about the color of your skin, the number of cells in your body, the
mechanisms of biology. Truly our responsibility is apprently very very
low if you compare it to all that exists.
In fact one good look at just how unresponsible we really feel
about things is one good look right into the mind of God, YOU.
Because that is what you did to your self. You made something very
big, and you jumped in. And boy did you jump in.
>The fact that all your experiences remain unknown adds to the
>carnival con-artist flavor of your statements. Sure, they may be
>true, but to those of us who don't yet agree with you, you sound
>very much like a magician in a circus. We always see the end
>result, but never get to know how or why you arrived there.
Yeah its hard. Most of my 'experiences' are too ineffable to put
into words in a way that I know you would get it.
But almost all of them came from looking at the possibility that I
had hidden my responsibility from myself for a reason. THAT causes
spiritual visions to occurr no end. So it is not like the visions came
to me for no reason and I made some conclusions. I ALREADY HAD a
THEORY, namely I chose to forget choosing to forget, and in thinking
about that theory and working it out in every detail of my life, the
visions have come fast and furious.
Sometimes more furious than fast. So watch it.
>"Because" is not an answer that sits well. If that's the way
>you want to run things, so be it, but don't complain when you have
>to defend that line of argument against the skeptics!
The skeptics should show some understanding and stop bugging me
about it.
No one is expecting them to accept things on faith or to believe
something just because it is desirable or I said it. In fact one
demands that they NOT do this because THAT is just what they have been
doing for the past years of their lives when they bought the story of
the physical universe being real and not just one hell of a projection.
Skeptics are such hypocrits. I have no respect for them at all.
They demand proof that consciousness is real, but they believe to their
last breath they are made of matter that they have never seen and in
fact can not see. They are dreamers who think their dream is real just
and only because it hit them so hard in the face, and in fact this kind
of skeptic is the worst kind of 'true believer' there is. They believe
in matter energy space and time but consciousness which they can SEE is
unimportant or just a function of the material brain. What idiocy.
From ADORE,
Mortals bow and pray to the God of
TIME, STONE and Dust in the Wind.
>You might ask why I haven't shared any of my own religious experiences...
>The answer is that I haven't had any. I'm searching, and I promise
>everyone that this list will be the first to know about them when they
>occur! :)
You are bound to have them.
Ask yourself,
Are you willing to come back and do 1st grade again in your next
life?
Are you willing to be a girl or a boy in your next life?
Have you EVER died a natural, peceful death?
What were YOU doing during World War II or Korea?
If you are a Jew, have you ever been a Christian?
If you are a Christian, have you ever been a Jew?
Have you ever been a black or a slave?
Did you die in the Civil War?
Whose side were you on?
Does it piss you off that you forget all your skills from life time
to life time?
Is it REASONABLE to expect people to be able to survive well on
this planet if they forget all they know every week? Every month?
Every year? Every 20 years? Every life time? Every Universe?
Who ever said you HAD to live only on this lifetime's learning
anyway?
Do you FEEL anything on the subject of living once and dying?
Are you afraid of anger?
Are you mad at fear?
What FEELING do you expect to have during your 'experiences'?
Have you ever felt MONSTER VIBRATIONS?
Are you willing to meet a Divinity?
Are you willing to meet a Devil?
Does it surprise you that no one on Earth thinks twice about being
mortal?
etc.
You WILL have the experiences you seek if you keep asking
questions, and keep questioning answers.
Homer
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ADORE549 (fwd)
repost homer imissmira adore549
THE DESCENT OF A BEING
A being has a hard time staying in any particular space time game
stream. This is because he retains awareness of his intention to enter
and partake, his own invitation to himself.
One distraction, he takes his attention off his creation, and the
dream is gone.
The only way to stay in a while for long is to forget that one
chose to enter, and become quite sure that one had nothing to with
entering. This creates a violation of sovereign desire, a hysteria to
get out and to never come in again.
This suffices to keep one in, which was what was intended, to stay
in.
The vector to come in assumes one is out.
The vector to get out assumes one is in.
One can not become cause by being an effect, and one can not get
out by postulating that one is in.
So should one be apathetic about being stuck in?
No of course not, he WANTS to be stuck in. He doesn't need to get
out, he needs to recover his desire to be in.
Then of course he will get out :)
This isn't meant to twist your brain, trying to stay in is what
twists your brain.
Being out is easy, being in is almost heart breakingly impossible.
Look what you had to do to yourself just to stay in.
Thus if you are having a hard time getting out, you are up against
how almost impossible it was to stay in.
The problem lies with intent. The guy WANTS in, so one doesn't
audit him on his screaming to get out, because if you do he may get out,
to his dismay, and then he will just want in again.
He won't in fact let this happen, to keep him in session you have
to audit him on being better able to stay in WITHOUT getting out.
The truth is the more he dives in, the more out he will be, he will
be diving further in FROM a further out starting point, and will be
operating both being out and being in at the same time with a very wide
span between them.
That is very different than being collapsed in wanting to get out.
Instead he will be staying in on a create, create, create being in,
rather than on a stuck in persisting like a rock wanting out.
Once he is in, and wants out, he is facing the wrong way (out) to
get out, and thus he becomes more stuck in while facing out.
Wanting out says you aren't out!
Bye bye freedom.
Wanting in says you are out.
Wanting in PUTS you out.
Desire and its concomitant postulates are CAUSE.
Just consider the Chinese finger trap.
Freedom results from wanting and moving in.
Crucifixion results from wanting out.
It is the flinch of wanting out that turns pleasure to pain, beauty
to ugly, and light into stone.
Why else would anyone WANT to get out?
There was a beauty to coming in.
The being WANTS to get stuck in, he wants it on automatic, he WANTS
the game and mystery of where am I, how did I get here, and how the hell
do I make sure I never return.
The only way he can stay in without waking up every time he
sneezes, is to want to get out and NEVER come back. It's the forever
that makes it work and the mystery of why he is in that kills his
responsibility, his invite, and thus turns him around so he is looking
to get out, which sticks him in.
Looking out puts you in.
Looking in puts you out.
A thetan can only stick to the bottom of the tone scale, so when he
first comes in, he dives for the bottom real hard in the hopes he will
stick and stay awhile. Top level beauties about doing this, cement the
stick.
So the minute he comes in, he has to turn it around and claim he
wants out. Then he can stay in trying to get out for the rest of time,
sinking further in all the while.
This works like a dream, no pun intended.
And that's a good thing.
The minute he tries to stay in, he will get out.
But he will have lost his game. Remember havingness is in games.
He won't be happy, as he will have lost his dream and co action
with all his friends still in the dream.
Oh man is that sad.
It's like leaving EVERYONE behind FOREVER.
Eternal peace just can't make up for it. Yet.
So let's summarize.
A being wanting to get out will be stuck in.
A being wanting to get in, will keep falling out, unless he can
quickly turn it around into wanting to get out once he is in.
This is the original 'wall of fire' at the entrance to universes.
He came in and the 'wall of fire' was his wish to get out forever
more and NEVER come back.
The beauty of the wall of fire turned to pain with his wish to
get out and never come in.
Trying to get out he sank below the wall of fire and is now a "What
Wall?" case.
The wall of fire remains a NO EVENT until he honestly tries to come
in again and be here. Then watch out.
He thinks he wants to get out but this desire gets its power from
the original desire to come in and stay for a long time.
All auditing is never in the direction of getting out, but in the
direction of recovering his desire to come in, TO BE HERE. Then he is
free again to stick himself in or out as he desires in present time.
Recovery of the ability to get out depends on recovery of the
sovereign intention to come in.
Coming in puts one out, as one has to be out in order to come in.
IF one is out, whether one stays out depends on whether one changes
one's mind about coming in after getting out.
One can stay out and go do something else, but in general most
don't. Many have gotten out many times just to come in again locking
the door even harder every time.
It's just too sad to leave one's friends behind.
People think that getting out is worth something, maybe everything.
Truth is staying in and enjoying it here is worth more.
Much more.
"Tragedy and travesty, romance and sin, miracles and majesty,
that's where I've been.
Miracles in majesty, romance and song, tragedy and travesty, that's
where I've gone."
It's just so sad to escape back to total peace and safety while all
one's glorious friends are still in the dream called Hell and High
Water.
"Safety is hell and high water via eternal omni awesome peace."
If wanting to come in put you out, just how dangerous can coming in
be?
The being can't get lost, can't go anywhere, can't be destroyed,
what greater safety can there be then, regardless of what nightmare he
is engaged in at the time?
These dreams however are only for a while, very long whiles, but
never forever in time.
Hell forever is a violation of sovereign desire, a violation of
eternal friendship.
God is friendship.
All wars are with your friends, your brothers and sisters.
Disownership FOREVER of a family member, no matter how badly they
have behaved, is the only crime.
The goodness and badness of God, of the High US, exceeds even our
own imagination and acceptance and surprise levels. Thus we get upset
with our fellow man, and try to separate from him forever.
This is our only hell.
Trying to make nothing of too much good or too much bad forever.
The being is friends with his nightmare, this is the goal of
auditing, to restore that friendship, but not so much that he wakes up.
If he's gone from the world he can't pay you.
And if you can help someone get that gone, chances are you will
be gone too, and won't be able to help him get gone himself.
So the fall of the being from the top to the bottom is well
designed, and well arted.
Adore calls it artful dodge.
"The Source of all suffering is the fair chosen adore operation of
Cool, Class, Halcyon, SinSong, Thrill and Romance, via Living Majestic
Intelligence and Proud Fancy Free Faithlessness of Grand and Excalibur
Design."
Fair chosen means you desired and chose it with full awareness of
the possible consequences, in general if not in specific.
Desire is sovereign. Sovereign means you want it, you got it.
Sovereignty is creation in the mere conception of things.
Adoration is operation, if you adore something, operate it.
High Cool is Eternal Omni Awesome Peace.
Majesty is eternal good humor born of mastery of songs of sin and
hidden joy.
Majesty is the sovereign desire that desire not be sovereign for a
while, the impulse of the Imp soul towards humor, master of jest.
J.O.Y means J.O.K.E's on you.
J.O.K.E. means Justice Of Kindship Excaliper.
J.E.S.T means Jokes of Eternal Self Treason.
J.E.S.T means Justice of Eternal Self Truth.
Class is an attitude that all should live forever and be my friend
(outside of time.)
SinSong is to sing another Source done wrong song, sinsong is not
sin as long as it is just song. This is the story (song) written by the
Author, to whom it is always just song until he incarnates as character
who takes it seriously to heart (sin).
Thrill is the effort to get lost.
Romance is the effort to get home.
Miracle is the undreamed dream come true. The lower level soul just
didn't see this one coming, and can't have it because it's too good to be
true.
Halcyon is bemused relief on the verge of time.
Pride is agent, pride is vision of potential because pride is
source of potential. They never told you that one. Pride is the raw
quality of the fabric of existence.
Fancy free faithlessness is faithlessness allowed to run wild
without restraint of the fancy (imagination).
Doubt of sovereignty is self casting.
Caliber is the worth of souls.
Calipers measure caliber.
The caliper of the caliber of souls is the questions they have
asked and the answers they have rejected.
Excaliber means without worth.
Excaliper means without measure, worth beyond measure.
Justice of caliber is kindship Excaliper.
In a world where someone must hurt, all need is for justice of
excaliper kindship.
Humor is the only kind justice you will ever need, for ever for
real. This thing ain't called a religion for nothing.
Excalibur is the two edge sword of excaliber and excaliper, and all
other operating dicoms in existence.
The sword is stuck in the star rock of your mind by your own
present time operational wizardry.
A wizard is anyone who is a wiz with the sword.
A King is anyone who can free and wield the sword of Excalibur for
themselves and for others.
King Arthur was able to pull the sword from the rock because he was
willing to put it back in again so that others might try. The others
were not so willing and so couldn't pull the sword out at all."
Willingness to come in, to BE HERE, puts you out.
From Adore.
Now let's take a look at this from another easier perspective.
At the top you have the fact that admiring communication will
vanish all created conditions of existence. This is because enough
admiration puts one beyond a need to DO anything to change the
condition, it is beautiful as it is. Thus it gets as-ised and vanishes.
It's the need to DO something about something which is considered
unadmirable (criticizable) that creates a persistence. You can't get
rid of something by saying it's there, but I didn't and am not PUTTING
IT THERE, and I don't like it so I am going to change it!
On the other hand if you say 'I like it and wish it would stay", it
won't. Don't worry, be happy, you can always make it again and again
and again. Forever vanishing, forever being recreated. You can always
HAVE something, but automatic PERSISTENCE of things indicates a pretense
that you don't want them.
You can't get rid of anything that you aren't putting there, at
least for a (short) while.
Timeless admiration without intent to change will vanish anything.
Timeless admiration means you don't want it to vanish, and thus it
will. This is the love-sadness of all creation. You CAN always make it
again and keep it around that way.
(Watch out for the day you told yourself "I'll never be able to
make another one of that one!")
In other words you can't get rid of anything until you have found it
worthwhile, worthy of the while you originally put it in.
This is not a matter of adding significances of justifications as
to why something unwanted is 'really good', which in fact just make it
worse, but more a matter of releasing significances that make it bad or
unjustified.
Significance alloys pure adoration with abhoration and pain.
Adoration is simply the top of admiration.
Thus added significances cause persistence.
"As one can accept and be content with things as they are, they
will not exist, that is absolute". -LRH PXL
Resignation is acceptance with expectation of persistence.
Humor is acceptance with expectation of vanishment.
Adoration of operation is a bit of a joke, because if you adore it
enough, it won't be there to operate.
The basic operation is TO PUT IT THERE, and you put things there
with adoration. So that is adoration of operation.
But don't get distracted because the instant you aren't putting it
there any more, it will vanish.
You have to dislike something just a little bit in order to get it
to automatically stay around long enough to want to protect it to the
end of time.
Eventually of course your dislike for its persistence will build
and you will end up wanting to destroy it forever.
You may want to 'be with your cat' forever, but does it want to be
with you forever? It's sensible, hell no.
Beyond creating something, continuing to operate it after it is
created is usually an effort to get rid of it, and failing that protect
it from everything else trying to eat it, and thus you get a
persistence.
It's a love hate relationship. You love it because it is beautiful
and needs you, you hate it because it is fragile and precious beyond
repair.
So we come down from this rather high place to the first problem.
The problem persisted due to a fair chosen refusal to communicate
with it's various parts with sufficient admiration to cause it come
apart and vanish.
This was not a mistake, this was a PLAN.
This was the design of persistence.
The problem resulted in overts or harmful acts to 'solve' the
problem.
Harm was used to deal with impending harm.
The overts were regretted, justified AND restrained creating a state
of overwhelm. This is why we say ORs don't run, only ANDs run.
Justification make the overt right, AND restraint makes it wrong.
Best of both worlds, he gets to be not guilty for having done it in
the first place (justification), and he gets to make sure he never does
THAT again (restraint) because he put an overwhelm in place so he can't.
OT III, freedom from overwhelm, means freedom from regret,
restraint and justification. Such a being is of little help and too
dangerous to those still stuck in tar.
Justifications lead to time reversal called deds and dedexes.
"You deserved what I did to you yesterday because of what you did
to me just now."
Justifications also create black holes, as NOTHING that can be done
to you today can ever justify what you did yesterday, yet the being
keeps trying to find, suck in and pull in bad things done to them until
the being is a ball bearing rolling around the drain the hell.
Bad things happen to everyone, but only stick to the guilty, they
don't heal.
No one is dishing out karma, but what goes around comes around, and
if you have a need for it, once it finds you, it will stick to you
forever more.
One audits the need to be harmed, to release the overwhelms.
Notice the need to be harmed is late on the chain of harm that you
caused others with good intent in order to avoid harm, and earlier than
that just to cause harm period, not evil intent, but divine intent,
as the author creating a rip roaring story.
Evil creates harm too, but no good story comes from it, except
as evil itself is part of a bigger story created by the Author.
So the author is creating good stories about characters who create
good stories and bad stories.
We may all be bozos on this bus, but there are no innocent chronic
victims.
The overwhelm acts to both justify and restrain, also to drive into
oblivion, thus creating co excused withholds.
"I won't complain about what you are doing to me now, if you won't
complain about what I did to others earlier."
That's why past lives are gone, occluded by co excused withholds
between parent and child or thetan and body or something in a past time
and something in this time.
If you can't remember what your mother did to you as a son in this
life, try auditing what you did AS a mother to your son in a past life.
If you can't remember what you did as a son to your mother in this
life, audit what your son did to you as a mother in a past life.
Oblivion is the make break point on the case.
Above oblivion the case is naturally floating upwards if allowed to
do so.
Below oblivion the case is floating downwards if not prevented from
doing so.
Such withholds of regret, justification and restraint are then
missed, causing a being to develop ARC breaks, upsets, withdrawal of and
from affinity, reality and further degradation in communication with
others and himself.
All ARC breaks stem from missed withholds.
This leads to desires to gain and give sympathy, make self and
others right and wrong, and make guilty through computations that are
neither sensible nor useful.
One will find the Golden Ally and Golden Foe in this area.
However one needs to run being the hero, villain and victim around
and around to get at it.
Failure to handle the above leads to corruption, temptation and
seduction and disintegration of ability to handle power, which results
in no power.
"List ye now the reasons why you should not have power."
This leads to dramatizations of seriousness, importance, permanence
and pain, namely FOREVERS.
And this leads to changing sides on one's own goal streams.
Eventually one is totally opposing one's own basic purposes in
life.
And that leads to becoming a tar ball swirling around the drain to
hell in the hypocrisy whirlpool.
"If the Jews keep it up, they are gonna become Christians.
"If the Christians keep it up, they are gonna become Nazis.
If the Nazis keep it up, they are gonna become Sweet Old Ladies.
And if the Sweet Old Ladies keep it up, they are gonna become Jews
again.
"Eventually all become marbles on the thetan plane." - Adore
Yes Goober, it really is that bad, but all it takes is
WANTING TO BE HERE WITH ORIGINAL INTENT, to start getting out.
Homer
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THE DESCENT OF A BEING
A being has a hard time staying in any particular space time game
stream. This is because he retains awareness of his intention to enter
and partake, his own invitation to himself.
One distraction, he takes his attention off his creation, and the
dream is gone.
The only way to stay in a while for long is to forget that one
chose to enter, and become quite sure that one had nothing to with
entering. This creates a violation of sovereign desire, a hysteria to
get out and to never come in again.
This suffices to keep one in, which was what was intended, to stay
in.
The vector to come in assumes one is out.
The vector to get out assumes one is in.
One can not become cause by being an effect, and one can not get
out by postulating that one is in.
So should one be apathetic about being stuck in?
No of course not, he WANTS to be stuck in. He doesn't need to get
out, he needs to recover his desire to be in.
Then of course he will get out :)
This isn't meant to twist your brain, trying to stay in is what
twists your brain.
Being out is easy, being in is almost heart breakingly impossible.
Look what you had to do to yourself just to stay in.
Thus if you are having a hard time getting out, you are up against
how almost impossible it was to stay in.
The problem lies with intent. The guy WANTS in, so one doesn't
audit him on his screaming to get out, because if you do he may get out,
to his dismay, and then he will just want in again.
He won't in fact let this happen, to keep him in session you have
to audit him on being better able to stay in WITHOUT getting out.
The truth is the more he dives in, the more out he will be, he will
be diving further in FROM a further out starting point, and will be
operating both being out and being in at the same time with a very wide
span between them.
That is very different than being collapsed in wanting to get out.
Instead he will be staying in on a create, create, create being in,
rather than on a stuck in persisting like a rock wanting out.
Once he is in, and wants out, he is facing the wrong way (out) to
get out, and thus he becomes more stuck in while facing out.
Wanting out says you aren't out!
Bye bye freedom.
Wanting in says you are out.
Wanting in PUTS you out.
Desire and its concomitant postulates are CAUSE.
Just consider the Chinese finger trap.
Freedom results from wanting and moving in.
Crucifixion results from wanting out.
It is the flinch of wanting out that turns pleasure to pain, beauty
to ugly, and light into stone.
Why else would anyone WANT to get out?
There was a beauty to coming in.
The being WANTS to get stuck in, he wants it on automatic, he WANTS
the game and mystery of where am I, how did I get here, and how the hell
do I make sure I never return.
The only way he can stay in without waking up every time he
sneezes, is to want to get out and NEVER come back. It's the forever
that makes it work and the mystery of why he is in that kills his
responsibility, his invite, and thus turns him around so he is looking
to get out, which sticks him in.
Looking out puts you in.
Looking in puts you out.
A thetan can only stick to the bottom of the tone scale, so when he
first comes in, he dives for the bottom real hard in the hopes he will
stick and stay awhile. Top level beauties about doing this, cement the
stick.
So the minute he comes in, he has to turn it around and claim he
wants out. Then he can stay in trying to get out for the rest of time,
sinking further in all the while.
This works like a dream, no pun intended.
And that's a good thing.
The minute he tries to stay in, he will get out.
But he will have lost his game. Remember havingness is in games.
He won't be happy, as he will have lost his dream and co action
with all his friends still in the dream.
Oh man is that sad.
It's like leaving EVERYONE behind FOREVER.
Eternal peace just can't make up for it. Yet.
So let's summarize.
A being wanting to get out will be stuck in.
A being wanting to get in, will keep falling out, unless he can
quickly turn it around into wanting to get out once he is in.
This is the original 'wall of fire' at the entrance to universes.
He came in and the 'wall of fire' was his wish to get out forever
more and NEVER come back.
The beauty of the wall of fire turned to pain with his wish to
get out and never come in.
Trying to get out he sank below the wall of fire and is now a "What
Wall?" case.
The wall of fire remains a NO EVENT until he honestly tries to come
in again and be here. Then watch out.
He thinks he wants to get out but this desire gets its power from
the original desire to come in and stay for a long time.
All auditing is never in the direction of getting out, but in the
direction of recovering his desire to come in, TO BE HERE. Then he is
free again to stick himself in or out as he desires in present time.
Recovery of the ability to get out depends on recovery of the
sovereign intention to come in.
Coming in puts one out, as one has to be out in order to come in.
IF one is out, whether one stays out depends on whether one changes
one's mind about coming in after getting out.
One can stay out and go do something else, but in general most
don't. Many have gotten out many times just to come in again locking
the door even harder every time.
It's just too sad to leave one's friends behind.
People think that getting out is worth something, maybe everything.
Truth is staying in and enjoying it here is worth more.
Much more.
"Tragedy and travesty, romance and sin, miracles and majesty,
that's where I've been.
Miracles in majesty, romance and song, tragedy and travesty, that's
where I've gone."
It's just so sad to escape back to total peace and safety while all
one's glorious friends are still in the dream called Hell and High
Water.
"Safety is hell and high water via eternal omni awesome peace."
If wanting to come in put you out, just how dangerous can coming in
be?
The being can't get lost, can't go anywhere, can't be destroyed,
what greater safety can there be then, regardless of what nightmare he
is engaged in at the time?
These dreams however are only for a while, very long whiles, but
never forever in time.
Hell forever is a violation of sovereign desire, a violation of
eternal friendship.
God is friendship.
All wars are with your friends, your brothers and sisters.
Disownership FOREVER of a family member, no matter how badly they
have behaved, is the only crime.
The goodness and badness of God, of the High US, exceeds even our
own imagination and acceptance and surprise levels. Thus we get upset
with our fellow man, and try to separate from him forever.
This is our only hell.
Trying to make nothing of too much good or too much bad forever.
The being is friends with his nightmare, this is the goal of
auditing, to restore that friendship, but not so much that he wakes up.
If he's gone from the world he can't pay you.
And if you can help someone get that gone, chances are you will
be gone too, and won't be able to help him get gone himself.
So the fall of the being from the top to the bottom is well
designed, and well arted.
Adore calls it artful dodge.
"The Source of all suffering is the fair chosen adore operation of
Cool, Class, Halcyon, SinSong, Thrill and Romance, via Living Majestic
Intelligence and Proud Fancy Free Faithlessness of Grand and Excalibur
Design."
Fair chosen means you desired and chose it with full awareness of
the possible consequences, in general if not in specific.
Desire is sovereign. Sovereign means you want it, you got it.
Sovereignty is creation in the mere conception of things.
Adoration is operation, if you adore something, operate it.
High Cool is Eternal Omni Awesome Peace.
Majesty is eternal good humor born of mastery of songs of sin and
hidden joy.
Majesty is the sovereign desire that desire not be sovereign for a
while, the impulse of the Imp soul towards humor, master of jest.
J.O.Y means J.O.K.E's on you.
J.O.K.E. means Justice Of Kindship Excaliper.
J.E.S.T means Jokes of Eternal Self Treason.
J.E.S.T means Justice of Eternal Self Truth.
Class is an attitude that all should live forever and be my friend
(outside of time.)
SinSong is to sing another Source done wrong song, sinsong is not
sin as long as it is just song. This is the story (song) written by the
Author, to whom it is always just song until he incarnates as character
who takes it seriously to heart (sin).
Thrill is the effort to get lost.
Romance is the effort to get home.
Miracle is the undreamed dream come true. The lower level soul just
didn't see this one coming, and can't have it because it's too good to be
true.
Halcyon is bemused relief on the verge of time.
Pride is agent, pride is vision of potential because pride is
source of potential. They never told you that one. Pride is the raw
quality of the fabric of existence.
Fancy free faithlessness is faithlessness allowed to run wild
without restraint of the fancy (imagination).
Doubt of sovereignty is self casting.
Caliber is the worth of souls.
Calipers measure caliber.
The caliper of the caliber of souls is the questions they have
asked and the answers they have rejected.
Excaliber means without worth.
Excaliper means without measure, worth beyond measure.
Justice of caliber is kindship Excaliper.
In a world where someone must hurt, all need is for justice of
excaliper kindship.
Humor is the only kind justice you will ever need, for ever for
real. This thing ain't called a religion for nothing.
Excalibur is the two edge sword of excaliber and excaliper, and all
other operating dicoms in existence.
The sword is stuck in the star rock of your mind by your own
present time operational wizardry.
A wizard is anyone who is a wiz with the sword.
A King is anyone who can free and wield the sword of Excalibur for
themselves and for others.
King Arthur was able to pull the sword from the rock because he was
willing to put it back in again so that others might try. The others
were not so willing and so couldn't pull the sword out at all."
Willingness to come in, to BE HERE, puts you out.
From Adore.
Now let's take a look at this from another easier perspective.
At the top you have the fact that admiring communication will
vanish all created conditions of existence. This is because enough
admiration puts one beyond a need to DO anything to change the
condition, it is beautiful as it is. Thus it gets as-ised and vanishes.
It's the need to DO something about something which is considered
unadmirable (criticizable) that creates a persistence. You can't get
rid of something by saying it's there, but I didn't and am not PUTTING
IT THERE, and I don't like it so I am going to change it!
On the other hand if you say 'I like it and wish it would stay", it
won't. Don't worry, be happy, you can always make it again and again
and again. Forever vanishing, forever being recreated. You can always
HAVE something, but automatic PERSISTENCE of things indicates a pretense
that you don't want them.
You can't get rid of anything that you aren't putting there, at
least for a (short) while.
Timeless admiration without intent to change will vanish anything.
Timeless admiration means you don't want it to vanish, and thus it
will. This is the love-sadness of all creation. You CAN always make it
again and keep it around that way.
(Watch out for the day you told yourself "I'll never be able to
make another one of that one!")
In other words you can't get rid of anything until you have found it
worthwhile, worthy of the while you originally put it in.
This is not a matter of adding significances of justifications as
to why something unwanted is 'really good', which in fact just make it
worse, but more a matter of releasing significances that make it bad or
unjustified.
Significance alloys pure adoration with abhoration and pain.
Adoration is simply the top of admiration.
Thus added significances cause persistence.
"As one can accept and be content with things as they are, they
will not exist, that is absolute". -LRH PXL
Resignation is acceptance with expectation of persistence.
Humor is acceptance with expectation of vanishment.
Adoration of operation is a bit of a joke, because if you adore it
enough, it won't be there to operate.
The basic operation is TO PUT IT THERE, and you put things there
with adoration. So that is adoration of operation.
But don't get distracted because the instant you aren't putting it
there any more, it will vanish.
You have to dislike something just a little bit in order to get it
to automatically stay around long enough to want to protect it to the
end of time.
Eventually of course your dislike for its persistence will build
and you will end up wanting to destroy it forever.
You may want to 'be with your cat' forever, but does it want to be
with you forever? It's sensible, hell no.
Beyond creating something, continuing to operate it after it is
created is usually an effort to get rid of it, and failing that protect
it from everything else trying to eat it, and thus you get a
persistence.
It's a love hate relationship. You love it because it is beautiful
and needs you, you hate it because it is fragile and precious beyond
repair.
So we come down from this rather high place to the first problem.
The problem persisted due to a fair chosen refusal to communicate
with it's various parts with sufficient admiration to cause it come
apart and vanish.
This was not a mistake, this was a PLAN.
This was the design of persistence.
The problem resulted in overts or harmful acts to 'solve' the
problem.
Harm was used to deal with impending harm.
The overts were regretted, justified AND restrained creating a state
of overwhelm. This is why we say ORs don't run, only ANDs run.
Justification make the overt right, AND restraint makes it wrong.
Best of both worlds, he gets to be not guilty for having done it in
the first place (justification), and he gets to make sure he never does
THAT again (restraint) because he put an overwhelm in place so he can't.
OT III, freedom from overwhelm, means freedom from regret,
restraint and justification. Such a being is of little help and too
dangerous to those still stuck in tar.
Justifications lead to time reversal called deds and dedexes.
"You deserved what I did to you yesterday because of what you did
to me just now."
Justifications also create black holes, as NOTHING that can be done
to you today can ever justify what you did yesterday, yet the being
keeps trying to find, suck in and pull in bad things done to them until
the being is a ball bearing rolling around the drain the hell.
Bad things happen to everyone, but only stick to the guilty, they
don't heal.
No one is dishing out karma, but what goes around comes around, and
if you have a need for it, once it finds you, it will stick to you
forever more.
One audits the need to be harmed, to release the overwhelms.
Notice the need to be harmed is late on the chain of harm that you
caused others with good intent in order to avoid harm, and earlier than
that just to cause harm period, not evil intent, but divine intent,
as the author creating a rip roaring story.
Evil creates harm too, but no good story comes from it, except
as evil itself is part of a bigger story created by the Author.
So the author is creating good stories about characters who create
good stories and bad stories.
We may all be bozos on this bus, but there are no innocent chronic
victims.
The overwhelm acts to both justify and restrain, also to drive into
oblivion, thus creating co excused withholds.
"I won't complain about what you are doing to me now, if you won't
complain about what I did to others earlier."
That's why past lives are gone, occluded by co excused withholds
between parent and child or thetan and body or something in a past time
and something in this time.
If you can't remember what your mother did to you as a son in this
life, try auditing what you did AS a mother to your son in a past life.
If you can't remember what you did as a son to your mother in this
life, audit what your son did to you as a mother in a past life.
Oblivion is the make break point on the case.
Above oblivion the case is naturally floating upwards if allowed to
do so.
Below oblivion the case is floating downwards if not prevented from
doing so.
Such withholds of regret, justification and restraint are then
missed, causing a being to develop ARC breaks, upsets, withdrawal of and
from affinity, reality and further degradation in communication with
others and himself.
All ARC breaks stem from missed withholds.
This leads to desires to gain and give sympathy, make self and
others right and wrong, and make guilty through computations that are
neither sensible nor useful.
One will find the Golden Ally and Golden Foe in this area.
However one needs to run being the hero, villain and victim around
and around to get at it.
Failure to handle the above leads to corruption, temptation and
seduction and disintegration of ability to handle power, which results
in no power.
"List ye now the reasons why you should not have power."
This leads to dramatizations of seriousness, importance, permanence
and pain, namely FOREVERS.
And this leads to changing sides on one's own goal streams.
Eventually one is totally opposing one's own basic purposes in
life.
And that leads to becoming a tar ball swirling around the drain to
hell in the hypocrisy whirlpool.
"If the Jews keep it up, they are gonna become Christians.
"If the Christians keep it up, they are gonna become Nazis.
If the Nazis keep it up, they are gonna become Sweet Old Ladies.
And if the Sweet Old Ladies keep it up, they are gonna become Jews
again.
"Eventually all become marbles on the thetan plane." - Adore
Yes Goober, it really is that bad, but all it takes is
WANTING TO BE HERE WITH ORIGINAL INTENT, to start getting out.
Homer
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ACT19 (fwd)
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RIGHT AND WRONG
ACT - 19
1 Oct 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
I have been running the following to an extraordinary win.
'What have you not said to your father about your mother?'
'What have you not said to your mother about your father?'
'What have you not said to either of them about both of them?'
'What has a child not said to you as a mother about a father?'
'What has a child not said to you as a father about a mother?'
If you don't like the 'What' questions because you can't come up
with answers run,
'Get the idea of...' or 'Get the effort to...'
'Get the effort to not say something to your father about your
mother etc.
Then,
'Are you making something right wrong?'
'Are you making something wrong right?'
'What wrong are you making right?'
'What right are you making wrong?'
'How are you making your father wrong?'
'How are you making your father right?'
'How are you making your mother wrong?'
'How are you making your mother right?'
'How are you making them both wrong?'
'How are you making them both right?'
'Who are you making wrong?'
'How are you making them wrong?'
'What are you making them wrong about?'
'Why are you making them wrong?'
Use wrong, right and guilty.
If questions don't work, use assertive form,
'Making something wrong right.'
'Making something right wrong.'
etc.
Homer
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RIGHT AND WRONG
ACT - 19
1 Oct 1993
Copyright (C) 1993 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
I have been running the following to an extraordinary win.
'What have you not said to your father about your mother?'
'What have you not said to your mother about your father?'
'What have you not said to either of them about both of them?'
'What has a child not said to you as a mother about a father?'
'What has a child not said to you as a father about a mother?'
If you don't like the 'What' questions because you can't come up
with answers run,
'Get the idea of...' or 'Get the effort to...'
'Get the effort to not say something to your father about your
mother etc.
Then,
'Are you making something right wrong?'
'Are you making something wrong right?'
'What wrong are you making right?'
'What right are you making wrong?'
'How are you making your father wrong?'
'How are you making your father right?'
'How are you making your mother wrong?'
'How are you making your mother right?'
'How are you making them both wrong?'
'How are you making them both right?'
'Who are you making wrong?'
'How are you making them wrong?'
'What are you making them wrong about?'
'Why are you making them wrong?'
Use wrong, right and guilty.
If questions don't work, use assertive form,
'Making something wrong right.'
'Making something right wrong.'
etc.
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LOGIC IS KIND / REPLY
> My point was that there is stupid logic and intelligent logic.
No there isn't.
There is only valid logic and invalid logic.
> A computer works strictly on the logic which is programmed into it.
>
> It is only as good as the humans who made it and programmed it.
>
> Logic without intelligence is basically stupid, (or very limited) (a
> computer has artificial logic),
> ?and intelligence without good logic,? good reason, good judgement,? and
> common sense is stupid.
Logic *IS* good reason.
Intelligence is the ability to pose and resolve problems via the
facility to perceive and relate causal relationships between events
and then using that knowledge to bring about desirable ends.
You may be complaining about the quality of the propositions
that are fed into the logic, they can be right, wrong, stupid, ridiculous
etc.
Quality of premises have no relation WHAT SO EVER to quality or
validity of logic.
> But Homer, even with all this above average intelligence and logic you have,
> you still can't get out of the predicament (case) you are in............
>
> and from what I gather, from you,? worse off than most.....
Failure in intelligence for sure, and probably a failure to apply
valid logic to boot.
Invalid logic is a common overt thetans do to keep things going.
>
> Why is that?
Too high too fast, blew my sense of responsibility away for good.
Possibly miscontrued what I saw, a willingness that leaves me frozen
in fear of myself.
> The value of data (knowledge) is determined by the number of problems it
> solves and how well it solves them and for how long it solves them.
True
>
> Is this correct, is this good logic?
You don't seem to know what logic is.
All men are evil.
You are a man.
Therefore you are evil.
QED. Perfect logic, perhaps wrong premises, thus perhaps wrong
conclusion.
The full truth solves all problems.
X is true.
Therefore X should be useful towards helping to solve a problem.
QED Perfect logic, questionable premises and conclusion.
Everything that comes from a man is bad.
Therefore everything bad comes from a man.
NQED, Invalid Female logic, questionable premise.
Lots of people know a lot about logic, but haven't a clue what
IS means.
What then do they know about logic since logic is the laws of IS?
Homer
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LOGIC IS KIND / REPLY
> My point was that there is stupid logic and intelligent logic.
No there isn't.
There is only valid logic and invalid logic.
> A computer works strictly on the logic which is programmed into it.
>
> It is only as good as the humans who made it and programmed it.
>
> Logic without intelligence is basically stupid, (or very limited) (a
> computer has artificial logic),
> ?and intelligence without good logic,? good reason, good judgement,? and
> common sense is stupid.
Logic *IS* good reason.
Intelligence is the ability to pose and resolve problems via the
facility to perceive and relate causal relationships between events
and then using that knowledge to bring about desirable ends.
You may be complaining about the quality of the propositions
that are fed into the logic, they can be right, wrong, stupid, ridiculous
etc.
Quality of premises have no relation WHAT SO EVER to quality or
validity of logic.
> But Homer, even with all this above average intelligence and logic you have,
> you still can't get out of the predicament (case) you are in............
>
> and from what I gather, from you,? worse off than most.....
Failure in intelligence for sure, and probably a failure to apply
valid logic to boot.
Invalid logic is a common overt thetans do to keep things going.
>
> Why is that?
Too high too fast, blew my sense of responsibility away for good.
Possibly miscontrued what I saw, a willingness that leaves me frozen
in fear of myself.
> The value of data (knowledge) is determined by the number of problems it
> solves and how well it solves them and for how long it solves them.
True
>
> Is this correct, is this good logic?
You don't seem to know what logic is.
All men are evil.
You are a man.
Therefore you are evil.
QED. Perfect logic, perhaps wrong premises, thus perhaps wrong
conclusion.
The full truth solves all problems.
X is true.
Therefore X should be useful towards helping to solve a problem.
QED Perfect logic, questionable premises and conclusion.
Everything that comes from a man is bad.
Therefore everything bad comes from a man.
NQED, Invalid Female logic, questionable premise.
Lots of people know a lot about logic, but haven't a clue what
IS means.
What then do they know about logic since logic is the laws of IS?
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ACTUALITY vs REALITY
Rogers. D.Scn. (The_Bindu@NOSPAMmsn.com) wrote:
>So, do you or can you see reality as "agreed-upon actuality?"
Reality is the agreed upon APPARENCY (OR PRETENSE) OF ACTUALITY but
is never actuality.
Isness is agreed upon reality, agreed upon illusions.
As-isness is actuality, vanishing truth and what remains after the
vanishment, native state.
Actuality is a multi faceted zero dimensional operating source.
Reality is a VIRTUAL multi dimensional space time game stream.
Reality is always a virtual reality.
Actuality is what projects the reality.
Take a look at any computer game, even a multiplayer game. The
reality is what goes on in the game. The actuality is the computer,
computer screen, program code, players and game writer.
Look through a hologram. The reality is there are 3D objects
behind the hologram. The actuality is there is nothing there at all.
Look at the 'out-there-ness' of the objects around you.
Reality is they are actuality out there.
Actuality is there is no out there for them to be out there in.
The conscious unit which can perceive illusions of space and time
itself has no space or time.
Reality is that the AllThatIs is multidimensional.
Actuality is that the AllThatIs is zero dimensional, no direction
in which to have an extension.
Reality is that the objects out there actually exist.
Actuality is they are a projection in the holographic mind of God,
you and me.
Reality is what seems true.
Actuality is what is true.
Reality is illusion.
Delusion about illusion leads us to believe that reality is
actuality.
Homer
>Les.
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Rogers. D.Scn. (The_Bindu@NOSPAMmsn.com) wrote:
>So, do you or can you see reality as "agreed-upon actuality?"
Reality is the agreed upon APPARENCY (OR PRETENSE) OF ACTUALITY but
is never actuality.
Isness is agreed upon reality, agreed upon illusions.
As-isness is actuality, vanishing truth and what remains after the
vanishment, native state.
Actuality is a multi faceted zero dimensional operating source.
Reality is a VIRTUAL multi dimensional space time game stream.
Reality is always a virtual reality.
Actuality is what projects the reality.
Take a look at any computer game, even a multiplayer game. The
reality is what goes on in the game. The actuality is the computer,
computer screen, program code, players and game writer.
Look through a hologram. The reality is there are 3D objects
behind the hologram. The actuality is there is nothing there at all.
Look at the 'out-there-ness' of the objects around you.
Reality is they are actuality out there.
Actuality is there is no out there for them to be out there in.
The conscious unit which can perceive illusions of space and time
itself has no space or time.
Reality is that the AllThatIs is multidimensional.
Actuality is that the AllThatIs is zero dimensional, no direction
in which to have an extension.
Reality is that the objects out there actually exist.
Actuality is they are a projection in the holographic mind of God,
you and me.
Reality is what seems true.
Actuality is what is true.
Reality is illusion.
Delusion about illusion leads us to believe that reality is
actuality.
Homer
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POWER
Power exists at the top of the tone scale, sovereignty or native
state, otherwise known as Basic Truth.
TONE SCALE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/electra/tone.memo
Power is ability and facility with putting things there.
Power is the unlimited operation of scientology's Q1.
Q1: Theta is capable of creating (illusions of) space and time, and
locating objects in them.
Power is the ability to locate and determine.
To locate doesn't mean to go out and hunt around until you find, to
locate means to put it there where you want it to be.
To determine doesn't mean to go out and look at something until you
find out about it, it means to CAUSE it to be as you wish it to be.
Power is the ability to create, change and destroy in cooperation
with other beings.
Above 26.0 Apparencies are Actuality on the tone scale power is
exercised via postulates which put things there, and considerations
which create apparent cause between those things which postulates have
put there.
Below Apparencies are Actuality on the tone scale, power is
exercised via force applied to the objects of mass that the being has
priorly postulated into spaces and times.
Force is the proxy for cause in the physical universe dream time.
Force against mass creates changes in velocity and thus physical
energy.
Nothing happens in the physical universe created by Q1 that is not
force and mass in motion.
Thus facility with force and mass is necessary to facility with
operation in the physical universe, unless it is postulates and
considerations making changes from above.
Physicists don't like that idea because it violates conservation of
momentum and energy.
But the biggest violation of those two is the creation of the
physical universe itself by postulate and consideration, so there is
precedent.
The application of power to creation is called control.
The greatest control there is, is to put something there, in
concert with other co controllers or co creators.
The next application of control is to change what has been put
there.
And the last application of control is to vanish what has been put
there by withdrawing putting it there.
One can not withdraw putting something there until one is able to
put it there again in present time, it doesn't matter who originally put
it there.
But if you are putting it there NOW, and you stop doing so, it
won't be any more, and will be as if it never had been.
The only catch is you have to be able and willing to put something
there AS IT ACTUALLY IS, not as you might think it is, which usually
falls way short of the mark on big and important issues.
Beings don't like to simply stop putting things there, even if they
are bad, because the being is then left with a kind of nothing there
that is not comfortable.
So a being will be hard put to give up his inability to withdraw
putting something there until he can put something ELSE there instead,
of comparable magnitude, then he can let go of putting the bad thing
there, so the bad something is replaced by a good something.
But sometimes having nothing there is good too :)
Putting things there involves both power and willingness.
You don't put things there with effort, you put things there by
merely having them be there, perhaps with the idea that they are there
because you are having them be there.
Get it?
The entire universe of hard power (heavy force, bombs, super novas,
black holes, Big Bangs etc.) was not created with hard power, but with
soft power.
Soft power creates hard power in finitely unlimited quantities.
Finitely unlimited means no upper limit but always finite.
As much as you want but never infinite.
For example a while is always finite in lenth of time, but can be
as long as you want, there is no upper limit to how much time a while
can contain as long as its finite.
Soft power is the mere breath of conception resulting in having
things in the mere conception of them.
TONE SCALE
The entire tone scale is a scale of power, from total potential
power and command over creation at the top to near zero at the bottom.
Thus all power, ability and facility at the top of the tone scale
has many different lower tone mockeries of the same thing.
Each tone on the way down is a polluted view of the top native
state, polluted by lies and subtle inaccuracies and alter-is.
Usually about source and motivations.
Each tone on the way down is an ENFORCEMENT of some power that was
freely chosen at the top.
Thus all aberration is enforced Basic Truth.
Since ultimate Basic Truth is 'nothing there' (nothing manifested),
ultimate aberration at the bottom of the tone scale is enforced 'nothing
there'.
Google avichi. A hell of nothing there, but no free will about it.
The angry man can use the power of force, but doesn't have much
free will about it.
He thus uses MORE force AGAINST his uncontrolled angry use of force
to make the apparency of no uncontrolled force. This gives the
apparency of no anger.
But its a stone to audit, and that stone sinks down the tone scale
to below anger.
Thus mastery and good control at the top of the tone scale become
domination, slavery and bad control at the bottom.
People start at the top having power, and dwindle down to being the
effect of other's power.
Thus it becomes politically incorrect for anyone to have any
mastery of power or control, as those that don't will take exception
about how unfair it all is that they don't have the same level of
facility any more.
I don't have it, so you shouldn't have it either.
The postulate "you shouldn't have power because I don't have power"
is a commitment to and validation of the postulate "I don't have power",
thus every time they commit effort (move forward in time) to making sure
OTHERS don't have power, they end up with less power themselves by their
own postulate.
Eventually they become the effect of their own power as they try to
escape back up to native state by powering themselves down towards anti
native state at the bottom of the tone scale.
Unfortunately after a while they end up with so little power of
their own they can't continue to engage in the above trap, so they just
kind of float there between not having any power and not losing any more
power because they have no power to take what remaining power they might
have away from themselves and others.
And that is why the bottom of the tone scale can never be reached,
no power to do so, and why there is no 'going out the bottom'.
Only their own Prime postulates and Messiah postulates can save
them from their fate and return them back up the tone scale to fool
around once again in Eternity making a fool out of itself.
They gotta give it up though to be saved, this trying to use power
to make other's not have power.
That is a big statement, do not go by it.
To get back power to go back up the tone scale, you will need to
operate the power to go down the tone scale to at least where you are
and little bit lower, then the self installed 'latching mechanism'
holding you down will spring and you will start to surface again.
The fear of going lower than one has ever been, keeps one stuck as
low as one has ever been, even if one is floating up above that level
for a while in normal life.
Thus one can get auditing on 'surface' material, and start to feel
better and go up tone and write great win stories, but as auditing
progresses the wins become thinner and thinner until eventually you have
to deal with the stone that is staring you in the face at the bottom of
your existence.
Mainly the stone is a matter of trying to pull other people down
with you.
Full confessions and repentence work wonders at this level of the
tone scale.
No hell can out last a true confession.
CRIMINAL SUPPRESSIVES
The intent of the criminal suppresive is to destroy facility in
intimacy with power, ability and control.
Therefore the greatest power there is, is the ability to put
criminal suppressives there forever for free, and have them nit pick you
into the ground, until they are just too ludicrous to contemplate any
more.
If you can put it there, you can unput it there.
Those too are big words, dig them and don't leave them.
The way out from under any suppression of invention, is to invent
suppressions of invention until you have out invented the one you are
in.
The last act of the dying should be to create what is killing them.
If you can create, you aren't dead, you see?
Just put it there and have it for a while.
When the while ends you won't have it any more.
If you can put there what is killing you, you will be more
alive than it is and thus have put-it-there and unput-it-there
control over it.
If you can become the orientation point to any symbol, the symbol
becomes yours to do with as you please.
Again the caveat is to not underestimate what it is.
ORIENTATION POINT AND SYMBOL
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/you7,memo
Power can be restored in part through auditing the OT Power
Protocol Process as listed below.
POWER
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore26.memo
INTIMATIONS OF THE OT POWER PROTOCOL RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore26.memo
EARLY VERSION OF THE OT POWER PROTOCOL PROCESSES
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore587.memo
PERFECT CERTAINTY AND POWER
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore694.memo
FREE FEELING AND DEPENDENT FEELING
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore699.memo
THE OT POWER PROTOCOL RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore712.memo
TO CHUCK BEATTY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore712.memo
SOVEREIGNTY AGAIN AND AGAIN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore741.memo
I CLAIM
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore744.memo
PROTOCOL
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore745.memo
OT POWER PROTOCOL AGAIN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore807.memo
POWER AND DUTY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore834.memo
PRIDE BY DYNAMICS
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Power exists at the top of the tone scale, sovereignty or native
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TONE SCALE
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/electra/tone.memo
Power is ability and facility with putting things there.
Power is the unlimited operation of scientology's Q1.
Q1: Theta is capable of creating (illusions of) space and time, and
locating objects in them.
Power is the ability to locate and determine.
To locate doesn't mean to go out and hunt around until you find, to
locate means to put it there where you want it to be.
To determine doesn't mean to go out and look at something until you
find out about it, it means to CAUSE it to be as you wish it to be.
Power is the ability to create, change and destroy in cooperation
with other beings.
Above 26.0 Apparencies are Actuality on the tone scale power is
exercised via postulates which put things there, and considerations
which create apparent cause between those things which postulates have
put there.
Below Apparencies are Actuality on the tone scale, power is
exercised via force applied to the objects of mass that the being has
priorly postulated into spaces and times.
Force is the proxy for cause in the physical universe dream time.
Force against mass creates changes in velocity and thus physical
energy.
Nothing happens in the physical universe created by Q1 that is not
force and mass in motion.
Thus facility with force and mass is necessary to facility with
operation in the physical universe, unless it is postulates and
considerations making changes from above.
Physicists don't like that idea because it violates conservation of
momentum and energy.
But the biggest violation of those two is the creation of the
physical universe itself by postulate and consideration, so there is
precedent.
The application of power to creation is called control.
The greatest control there is, is to put something there, in
concert with other co controllers or co creators.
The next application of control is to change what has been put
there.
And the last application of control is to vanish what has been put
there by withdrawing putting it there.
One can not withdraw putting something there until one is able to
put it there again in present time, it doesn't matter who originally put
it there.
But if you are putting it there NOW, and you stop doing so, it
won't be any more, and will be as if it never had been.
The only catch is you have to be able and willing to put something
there AS IT ACTUALLY IS, not as you might think it is, which usually
falls way short of the mark on big and important issues.
Beings don't like to simply stop putting things there, even if they
are bad, because the being is then left with a kind of nothing there
that is not comfortable.
So a being will be hard put to give up his inability to withdraw
putting something there until he can put something ELSE there instead,
of comparable magnitude, then he can let go of putting the bad thing
there, so the bad something is replaced by a good something.
But sometimes having nothing there is good too :)
Putting things there involves both power and willingness.
You don't put things there with effort, you put things there by
merely having them be there, perhaps with the idea that they are there
because you are having them be there.
Get it?
The entire universe of hard power (heavy force, bombs, super novas,
black holes, Big Bangs etc.) was not created with hard power, but with
soft power.
Soft power creates hard power in finitely unlimited quantities.
Finitely unlimited means no upper limit but always finite.
As much as you want but never infinite.
For example a while is always finite in lenth of time, but can be
as long as you want, there is no upper limit to how much time a while
can contain as long as its finite.
Soft power is the mere breath of conception resulting in having
things in the mere conception of them.
TONE SCALE
The entire tone scale is a scale of power, from total potential
power and command over creation at the top to near zero at the bottom.
Thus all power, ability and facility at the top of the tone scale
has many different lower tone mockeries of the same thing.
Each tone on the way down is a polluted view of the top native
state, polluted by lies and subtle inaccuracies and alter-is.
Usually about source and motivations.
Each tone on the way down is an ENFORCEMENT of some power that was
freely chosen at the top.
Thus all aberration is enforced Basic Truth.
Since ultimate Basic Truth is 'nothing there' (nothing manifested),
ultimate aberration at the bottom of the tone scale is enforced 'nothing
there'.
Google avichi. A hell of nothing there, but no free will about it.
The angry man can use the power of force, but doesn't have much
free will about it.
He thus uses MORE force AGAINST his uncontrolled angry use of force
to make the apparency of no uncontrolled force. This gives the
apparency of no anger.
But its a stone to audit, and that stone sinks down the tone scale
to below anger.
Thus mastery and good control at the top of the tone scale become
domination, slavery and bad control at the bottom.
People start at the top having power, and dwindle down to being the
effect of other's power.
Thus it becomes politically incorrect for anyone to have any
mastery of power or control, as those that don't will take exception
about how unfair it all is that they don't have the same level of
facility any more.
I don't have it, so you shouldn't have it either.
The postulate "you shouldn't have power because I don't have power"
is a commitment to and validation of the postulate "I don't have power",
thus every time they commit effort (move forward in time) to making sure
OTHERS don't have power, they end up with less power themselves by their
own postulate.
Eventually they become the effect of their own power as they try to
escape back up to native state by powering themselves down towards anti
native state at the bottom of the tone scale.
Unfortunately after a while they end up with so little power of
their own they can't continue to engage in the above trap, so they just
kind of float there between not having any power and not losing any more
power because they have no power to take what remaining power they might
have away from themselves and others.
And that is why the bottom of the tone scale can never be reached,
no power to do so, and why there is no 'going out the bottom'.
Only their own Prime postulates and Messiah postulates can save
them from their fate and return them back up the tone scale to fool
around once again in Eternity making a fool out of itself.
They gotta give it up though to be saved, this trying to use power
to make other's not have power.
That is a big statement, do not go by it.
To get back power to go back up the tone scale, you will need to
operate the power to go down the tone scale to at least where you are
and little bit lower, then the self installed 'latching mechanism'
holding you down will spring and you will start to surface again.
The fear of going lower than one has ever been, keeps one stuck as
low as one has ever been, even if one is floating up above that level
for a while in normal life.
Thus one can get auditing on 'surface' material, and start to feel
better and go up tone and write great win stories, but as auditing
progresses the wins become thinner and thinner until eventually you have
to deal with the stone that is staring you in the face at the bottom of
your existence.
Mainly the stone is a matter of trying to pull other people down
with you.
Full confessions and repentence work wonders at this level of the
tone scale.
No hell can out last a true confession.
CRIMINAL SUPPRESSIVES
The intent of the criminal suppresive is to destroy facility in
intimacy with power, ability and control.
Therefore the greatest power there is, is the ability to put
criminal suppressives there forever for free, and have them nit pick you
into the ground, until they are just too ludicrous to contemplate any
more.
If you can put it there, you can unput it there.
Those too are big words, dig them and don't leave them.
The way out from under any suppression of invention, is to invent
suppressions of invention until you have out invented the one you are
in.
The last act of the dying should be to create what is killing them.
If you can create, you aren't dead, you see?
Just put it there and have it for a while.
When the while ends you won't have it any more.
If you can put there what is killing you, you will be more
alive than it is and thus have put-it-there and unput-it-there
control over it.
If you can become the orientation point to any symbol, the symbol
becomes yours to do with as you please.
Again the caveat is to not underestimate what it is.
ORIENTATION POINT AND SYMBOL
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/you7,memo
Power can be restored in part through auditing the OT Power
Protocol Process as listed below.
POWER
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore26.memo
INTIMATIONS OF THE OT POWER PROTOCOL RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore26.memo
EARLY VERSION OF THE OT POWER PROTOCOL PROCESSES
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore587.memo
PERFECT CERTAINTY AND POWER
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore694.memo
FREE FEELING AND DEPENDENT FEELING
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore699.memo
THE OT POWER PROTOCOL RUNDOWN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore712.memo
TO CHUCK BEATTY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore712.memo
SOVEREIGNTY AGAIN AND AGAIN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore741.memo
I CLAIM
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore744.memo
PROTOCOL
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore745.memo
OT POWER PROTOCOL AGAIN
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore807.memo
POWER AND DUTY
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/adore834.memo
PRIDE BY DYNAMICS
http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/homer/help5
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ADHOMINEM AGAIN
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AD HOMINEM revisited.
Ad hominem means against the man, it is a vicious form of dishonest
debate used regularly by criminal suppressives.
Mere name calling is not ad hominem.
Name calling is expression of resentment against the criminal
suppressive for using ad hominem in discourse hoping to get away with
it.
Ad Hominem is a kind of arguing from irrelevancies.
A classic that went by on youtube recently:
Teacher: "What is 1+1?"
Student A: "2"
Teacher: Wrong!
Student B: "Gender equality!"
Teacher: Right!
Student A: "Hey gender equality is not the correct answer to what
is 1+1!"
Student B: "You got something against gender equality you bigot!?"
HUBBARD and HIS CHURCH AND TECHNOLOGY
Of those who are opposed not only to the Church and its inequities,
but also to scientology as a growing body of knowledge about workable
clearing, you can know the criminal suppresive by the chronic and
compulsive use of the following criminal forms of discourse.
Example 1:
"Hubbard said A and Hubbard said B. But A is wrong, therefore so
is B!"
Hubbard said there were trains on venus and suns last forever.
Hubbard also said that pain and unconsciousness is recorded and can
reactivate at a later time, and that it can also be 'erased'.
The first is probably wrong, the second is not related and thus its
truth must be independently determined.
If A and B are not directly related to each other, the truth of A
has nothing to do with the truth of B.
Example 2:
This one has a name, its the Dennis Erlich gambit. No one falls
for it but him.
"Hubbard said A, you said A, therefore you were brain washed by
Hubbard!"
People agree with others all the time without being brainwashed to
do so.
Example 3:
Hubbard said "If you really wanted to make some money, you should
start a religion." He later changed scientology into a religion because
he wanted to make money.
He changed scientology into a religion because it WAS a religion,
obviously, and the fact that scientology also got tax protection and
made a lot of money was incidental consequence.
Example 4:
Hubbard said "Xenu imprisoned some people on Earth 76 million years
ago. But Hubbard was on drugs while he was making this up and worst
case its just more fantasy to make more money, and best case its just
another one of his conspiracy theories."
Call something a conspiracy theory is part of an actual wide spread
conspiracy to denigrate suspiciions and theories on various things so
people won't look at them.
Google "the conspiracy theory conspiracy." It will tell you exactly
why and who the people are behind the world wide covert effort to shape
the population's epistemological landscape (what they believe about
things), into believing that the government never conspires against the
people about anything, and to create the terms "conspiracy theory" and
"conspiracy theorist" to discount, denigrate, put down, ridicule with
contempt, and downplay the ideas being presented by them.
Some theories are just stupid, some theories about conspiracy are
in fact wrong. Some aren't.
The greatest conspiracy theory of all is the theory that the
government is conspiring to make conspiracy theories illegal to talk
about or post to the web.
That is in fact not a theory, and is also in fact a very real
conspiracy, repleat with government committees assigned to designate
which conspiracy theories will be legal to talk about and which won't
be.
Anyhow, the criminal suppressive with argue Hubbard created an
approach to auditing based on a theoretical anatomy of the problem. The
anatomy is wrong, thus the approach does not work.
Although approach is usually based on anatomy, and approaches based
on good theories of anatomy will probably work the best, one often
discovers workable approaches first and then tries to design an anatomy
to explain the workability of the approach in order to better teach the
approach and to improve the approach based on predictions implied by the
new conception of the anatomy.
Do not suffer a criminal suppressive to speak without taking
him to task for his Dharma Treason.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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AD HOMINEM revisited.
Ad hominem means against the man, it is a vicious form of dishonest
debate used regularly by criminal suppressives.
Mere name calling is not ad hominem.
Name calling is expression of resentment against the criminal
suppressive for using ad hominem in discourse hoping to get away with
it.
Ad Hominem is a kind of arguing from irrelevancies.
A classic that went by on youtube recently:
Teacher: "What is 1+1?"
Student A: "2"
Teacher: Wrong!
Student B: "Gender equality!"
Teacher: Right!
Student A: "Hey gender equality is not the correct answer to what
is 1+1!"
Student B: "You got something against gender equality you bigot!?"
HUBBARD and HIS CHURCH AND TECHNOLOGY
Of those who are opposed not only to the Church and its inequities,
but also to scientology as a growing body of knowledge about workable
clearing, you can know the criminal suppresive by the chronic and
compulsive use of the following criminal forms of discourse.
Example 1:
"Hubbard said A and Hubbard said B. But A is wrong, therefore so
is B!"
Hubbard said there were trains on venus and suns last forever.
Hubbard also said that pain and unconsciousness is recorded and can
reactivate at a later time, and that it can also be 'erased'.
The first is probably wrong, the second is not related and thus its
truth must be independently determined.
If A and B are not directly related to each other, the truth of A
has nothing to do with the truth of B.
Example 2:
This one has a name, its the Dennis Erlich gambit. No one falls
for it but him.
"Hubbard said A, you said A, therefore you were brain washed by
Hubbard!"
People agree with others all the time without being brainwashed to
do so.
Example 3:
Hubbard said "If you really wanted to make some money, you should
start a religion." He later changed scientology into a religion because
he wanted to make money.
He changed scientology into a religion because it WAS a religion,
obviously, and the fact that scientology also got tax protection and
made a lot of money was incidental consequence.
Example 4:
Hubbard said "Xenu imprisoned some people on Earth 76 million years
ago. But Hubbard was on drugs while he was making this up and worst
case its just more fantasy to make more money, and best case its just
another one of his conspiracy theories."
Call something a conspiracy theory is part of an actual wide spread
conspiracy to denigrate suspiciions and theories on various things so
people won't look at them.
Google "the conspiracy theory conspiracy." It will tell you exactly
why and who the people are behind the world wide covert effort to shape
the population's epistemological landscape (what they believe about
things), into believing that the government never conspires against the
people about anything, and to create the terms "conspiracy theory" and
"conspiracy theorist" to discount, denigrate, put down, ridicule with
contempt, and downplay the ideas being presented by them.
Some theories are just stupid, some theories about conspiracy are
in fact wrong. Some aren't.
The greatest conspiracy theory of all is the theory that the
government is conspiring to make conspiracy theories illegal to talk
about or post to the web.
That is in fact not a theory, and is also in fact a very real
conspiracy, repleat with government committees assigned to designate
which conspiracy theories will be legal to talk about and which won't
be.
Anyhow, the criminal suppressive with argue Hubbard created an
approach to auditing based on a theoretical anatomy of the problem. The
anatomy is wrong, thus the approach does not work.
Although approach is usually based on anatomy, and approaches based
on good theories of anatomy will probably work the best, one often
discovers workable approaches first and then tries to design an anatomy
to explain the workability of the approach in order to better teach the
approach and to improve the approach based on predictions implied by the
new conception of the anatomy.
Do not suffer a criminal suppressive to speak without taking
him to task for his Dharma Treason.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning but
Not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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ADORE263 (fwd)
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ACTUALITY vs REALITY
Rogers. D.Scn. (The_Bindu@NOSPAMmsn.com) wrote:
>So, do you or can you see reality as "agreed-upon actuality?"
Reality is the agreed upon APPARENCY (OR PRETENSE) OF ACTUALITY but
is never actuality.
Isness is agreed upon reality, agreed upon illusions.
As-isness is actuality, vanishing truth and what remains after the
vanishment, native state.
Actuality is a multi faceted zero dimensional operating source.
Reality is a VIRTUAL multi dimensional space time game stream.
Reality is always a virtual reality.
Actuality is what projects the reality.
Take a look at any computer game, even a multiplayer game. The
reality is what goes on in the game. The actuality is the computer,
computer screen, program code, players and game writer.
Look through a hologram. The reality is there are 3D objects
behind the hologram. The actuality is there is nothing there at all.
Look at the 'out-there-ness' of the objects around you.
Reality is they are actuality out there.
Actuality is there is no out there for them to be out there in.
The conscious unit which can perceive illusions of space and time
itself has no space or time.
Reality is that the AllThatIs is multidimensional.
Actuality is that the AllThatIs is zero dimensional, no direction
in which to have an extension.
Reality is that the objects out there actually exist.
Actuality is they are a projection in the holographic mind of God,
you and me.
Reality is what seems true.
Actuality is what is true.
Reality is illusion.
Delusion about illusion leads us to believe that reality is
actuality.
Homer
>Les.
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Rogers. D.Scn. (The_Bindu@NOSPAMmsn.com) wrote:
>So, do you or can you see reality as "agreed-upon actuality?"
Reality is the agreed upon APPARENCY (OR PRETENSE) OF ACTUALITY but
is never actuality.
Isness is agreed upon reality, agreed upon illusions.
As-isness is actuality, vanishing truth and what remains after the
vanishment, native state.
Actuality is a multi faceted zero dimensional operating source.
Reality is a VIRTUAL multi dimensional space time game stream.
Reality is always a virtual reality.
Actuality is what projects the reality.
Take a look at any computer game, even a multiplayer game. The
reality is what goes on in the game. The actuality is the computer,
computer screen, program code, players and game writer.
Look through a hologram. The reality is there are 3D objects
behind the hologram. The actuality is there is nothing there at all.
Look at the 'out-there-ness' of the objects around you.
Reality is they are actuality out there.
Actuality is there is no out there for them to be out there in.
The conscious unit which can perceive illusions of space and time
itself has no space or time.
Reality is that the AllThatIs is multidimensional.
Actuality is that the AllThatIs is zero dimensional, no direction
in which to have an extension.
Reality is that the objects out there actually exist.
Actuality is they are a projection in the holographic mind of God,
you and me.
Reality is what seems true.
Actuality is what is true.
Reality is illusion.
Delusion about illusion leads us to believe that reality is
actuality.
Homer
>Les.
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OTQA (fwd)
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Session notes, 7/27/1997
Has there been an incorrect answer to a question?
Has there been a no answer to a question?
Has there been a correct answer to a question?
Has a correct answer to a question been rejected, refused, not-ised or
denied?
Has an incorrect answer to a question been accepted?
Is it a who question?
Is it a how question?
Is it a what question?
Is it a where question?
Is it a when question?
Is it a why question?
Find which and indicate.
Say its a who question that blows down on indication.
Is there an incorrect who on a who question?
Is there a no who (no answer) on a who question?
Is there a correct who on a who question?
Find which and indicate.
What who has there been on a who question?
List who's, both correct and incorrect.
Then run
Is (who) a correct who on a who question?
Is (who) an incorrect who on a who question?
Remember a no who can be a correct who or an incorrect who.
Check basic questions,
Who am I?
How did I get here?
What am I?
Where am I?
When am I get here?
Why am I here?
My meter is broken.
The TA is at 2.5, hasn't been there for *YEARS*.
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Session notes, 7/27/1997
Has there been an incorrect answer to a question?
Has there been a no answer to a question?
Has there been a correct answer to a question?
Has a correct answer to a question been rejected, refused, not-ised or
denied?
Has an incorrect answer to a question been accepted?
Is it a who question?
Is it a how question?
Is it a what question?
Is it a where question?
Is it a when question?
Is it a why question?
Find which and indicate.
Say its a who question that blows down on indication.
Is there an incorrect who on a who question?
Is there a no who (no answer) on a who question?
Is there a correct who on a who question?
Find which and indicate.
What who has there been on a who question?
List who's, both correct and incorrect.
Then run
Is (who) a correct who on a who question?
Is (who) an incorrect who on a who question?
Remember a no who can be a correct who or an incorrect who.
Check basic questions,
Who am I?
How did I get here?
What am I?
Where am I?
When am I get here?
Why am I here?
My meter is broken.
The TA is at 2.5, hasn't been there for *YEARS*.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>To clarify, I don't have a problem with possibly finding a lesson in the
>experience, which usually amounts to having been shown or spotting
>something early on by Spirit, and glossing over it, then reaping the
>consequences of that gloss/denial. I guess my problem here is *having to
>find a lesson, or assuming there is one. And while there may be one even
>*most of the time, I just feel like the question if done routinely pushes
>this just a bit too hard, a bit compulsive or something. It's a fine
>line....
Adore says that 'lessons' are the yoke around our necks with
which we sink ourselves to bottom of the sea.
Each engram is a lesson learned, must never do that again, must
always do that again etc, that needs to be UNLEARNED.
Thus the 'postulate off' at the end of running an engram chain is
the 'lesson unlearned' at the end of the same chain. If some other
lesson is 'learned', then the chain is not flat but merely re
restimulated into a new aberration, a new 'self determined change'.
Homer
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Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
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CB Willis (cbwillis@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>To clarify, I don't have a problem with possibly finding a lesson in the
>experience, which usually amounts to having been shown or spotting
>something early on by Spirit, and glossing over it, then reaping the
>consequences of that gloss/denial. I guess my problem here is *having to
>find a lesson, or assuming there is one. And while there may be one even
>*most of the time, I just feel like the question if done routinely pushes
>this just a bit too hard, a bit compulsive or something. It's a fine
>line....
Adore says that 'lessons' are the yoke around our necks with
which we sink ourselves to bottom of the sea.
Each engram is a lesson learned, must never do that again, must
always do that again etc, that needs to be UNLEARNED.
Thus the 'postulate off' at the end of running an engram chain is
the 'lesson unlearned' at the end of the same chain. If some other
lesson is 'learned', then the chain is not flat but merely re
restimulated into a new aberration, a new 'self determined change'.
Homer
>- CBW
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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OF CESSPOOLS AND COW PIES
This is for the true Scners that read a.r.s list in awe of its vile
underbelly.
Some of that vileness comes from truly malignant meatballs, live
once, die once, that its bud.
They are still trying to die forever by pretending they WILL die at
the end of this body's life.
Many meatballs however are intelligent, they WANT to live forever,
but just don't believe it and for good reason if you understand the
structure of the tone scale and its decent, and the many lies of duality
marbled through many religions on this Earth at this time.
But I suspect the vast majority of vileness pretending to be
intelligent skepticism comes from the raging insane Christian asshole.
They can be known by their creed, but you probably have missed it
on many of the posters here on a.r.s. So you think you are talking to a
reasonable skeptic, but in fact are talking to a Devil's demon, fiddling
the Devil's Tune.
Their creed, the Devil's Tune, is pretty simple,
1.) God made us without our consent, and God can destroy us without
their consent.
2.) God then dumped those he made into a meat grinder called the
physical universe, and judges those by how they behave, regardless of
how the good are hammered by the bad.
3.) God only loves those that obey him, and suck up to his Cult of
Personality, Jesus.
4.) Someone else can pay your ticket for you.
5.) Those that God doesn't like or admire, he judges and then sends
to hell to suffer, either forever, or for a while after which he
destroys the whole seething mess.
6.) The sins of 4 score years are worthy of suffering or being
destroyed forever. This God can't or won't figure out how to save
everyone.
7.) All of life is NOT God itself in carnation.
8.) God and Soul are two different objects.
9.) Their Holy Book superceeds direct scientific evidence. They
have a strong tendency to write the Book first, and do the science
second, and then reject the science that disagrees with their Book.
10.) They walk around with a HORRENDOUS case of amnesia, and claim
that because THEY can't remember their past, it didn't happen, and if
YOU remember your past, you are deluded by the Devil.
11.) You never feel good around these people, because they can not
bond with those they are SURE are going to hell forever. Nor can they
bond with those they think MIGHT go to hell forever, which is everyone,
for there is no way to know if you are saved until after you die.
12.) So they pray hard, repent hard, sin hard, and go spinning down
the toilet of total irresponsibility for condition.
13.) Their greatest fear of admitting they have lived before, is
their fear they will come back in their next life as a Jew or a Muslim.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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OF CESSPOOLS AND COW PIES
This is for the true Scners that read a.r.s list in awe of its vile
underbelly.
Some of that vileness comes from truly malignant meatballs, live
once, die once, that its bud.
They are still trying to die forever by pretending they WILL die at
the end of this body's life.
Many meatballs however are intelligent, they WANT to live forever,
but just don't believe it and for good reason if you understand the
structure of the tone scale and its decent, and the many lies of duality
marbled through many religions on this Earth at this time.
But I suspect the vast majority of vileness pretending to be
intelligent skepticism comes from the raging insane Christian asshole.
They can be known by their creed, but you probably have missed it
on many of the posters here on a.r.s. So you think you are talking to a
reasonable skeptic, but in fact are talking to a Devil's demon, fiddling
the Devil's Tune.
Their creed, the Devil's Tune, is pretty simple,
1.) God made us without our consent, and God can destroy us without
their consent.
2.) God then dumped those he made into a meat grinder called the
physical universe, and judges those by how they behave, regardless of
how the good are hammered by the bad.
3.) God only loves those that obey him, and suck up to his Cult of
Personality, Jesus.
4.) Someone else can pay your ticket for you.
5.) Those that God doesn't like or admire, he judges and then sends
to hell to suffer, either forever, or for a while after which he
destroys the whole seething mess.
6.) The sins of 4 score years are worthy of suffering or being
destroyed forever. This God can't or won't figure out how to save
everyone.
7.) All of life is NOT God itself in carnation.
8.) God and Soul are two different objects.
9.) Their Holy Book superceeds direct scientific evidence. They
have a strong tendency to write the Book first, and do the science
second, and then reject the science that disagrees with their Book.
10.) They walk around with a HORRENDOUS case of amnesia, and claim
that because THEY can't remember their past, it didn't happen, and if
YOU remember your past, you are deluded by the Devil.
11.) You never feel good around these people, because they can not
bond with those they are SURE are going to hell forever. Nor can they
bond with those they think MIGHT go to hell forever, which is everyone,
for there is no way to know if you are saved until after you die.
12.) So they pray hard, repent hard, sin hard, and go spinning down
the toilet of total irresponsibility for condition.
13.) Their greatest fear of admitting they have lived before, is
their fear they will come back in their next life as a Jew or a Muslim.
Homer
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ASSURED
Is your future assured?
Do you want your future to be assured?
Can your future become assured if it everwasn't in the past?
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Is your future assured?
Do you want your future to be assured?
Can your future become assured if it everwasn't in the past?
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