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> Good, very good. I no longer doubt your pan-determinism.
> You make me look like a pretender. Very good.
Well I am at least a good pretender.
Meatballs are one of my most detested oppterms, even though I was
one.
But I was a reasonable meatball, I WANTED the dreamball theory to
be true from very early on, and in fact I knew I didn't know which was
true and didn't know how to prove it. I knew that IF the meatball
theory was true we could never know, and I assumed that IF the dreamball
theory was true there should be a proof of it somewhere, not just an
exteriorization, but something deeper.
But I couldn't bring myself to just have faith in the dreamball
theory, because I was missing many parts of it, and the world is just
too miserable a place (for me) for my immature dreamball theories to
account for all the pain we are going through.
Eventually I grew up and the theory matured, and the proof came
along (1973), which doesn't prove the world is a dream, but it does
prove that consciousness is 0D (zero dimensional) and thus has no space
or time to its underlying structure, and thus MUST be eternal in nature.
Thus we all get to live forever outside of time, as there is no
actual time to die in, but we do get to live for a WHILE in as many
different finite time whiles as we want inside of time.
How one would then interface a 0D consciousness with a 3D brain
then becomes an interesting problem in physics and philosophy.
That seriously upped the stakes in the contest between meatball and
dreamball.
The meatballs that piss me off, are those that resist the dreamball
theory completely, insist they want to die and that's it bud, and do not
take the time to help themselves to the ample evidence that maybe the
dreamball theory is possibly correct.
It's their own hope they can't stand, but in the end they exceed my
own credibility and willingness to confront, let alone create. I try,
but I still go into drooling convulsions of hate :)
Spot NO meatball.
Spot SOME meatball.
I try to slice them and dice them with my sword of sarcasm, but I
find they just dent and dull my sword to no effect whatsoever on
themselves.
As Electra said, 'only BT's bash'.
"I have had time enough for love" cases drive me crazy.
PTSness results from trying to prove the suppressive wrong.
PTS means potential trouble source and is the phenomenon of
rollercoastering heavily in life.
What more suppressive thing can there be than an eternal god
mocking itself up as a mortal meatball?
Homer
THE PROVE IT CASE REVEALED
So you put your prove it case in session and you run the following
process on him.
Auditor: "Why do you believe that OT powers do not exist?"
PC: Prove it! Move the marble on the table and I will believe you
have OT powers.
Auditor: Sorry I don't have any OT powers, I will repeat the
auditing question.
Why do you believe OT powers do not exist?
PC: Do YOU believe in OT powers?
Auditor: Sorry, I have no idea one way or the other, I will repeat
the auditing question.
Why do you believe OT powers do not exist?
PC: Well that's easy because no one has ever demonstrated that they
exist.
Auditor: OK, thank you I got that.
(Ok, in the first place the pc doesn't know that, he has asserted the
unassertable. All he knows is no one has ever demomstrated OT powers TO
HIM. Such an interpolated generalization would be considered dharma
treason and get him kicked out of any true scientific debate in history.
That's like saying in 1770 that flying was impossible because no one
had built an airplane yet. Just because no one can do OT powers, doesn't
mean they do not exist and aren't there for the taking.
His assertion is also based on the idea that if scientific proof of
such powers existed, they would immediately be rushed to publication in
Nature, and the whole world would know about it by now.
That's like saying if there were evidence of aliens coming to
attack us, we would have read it in the newspapers by now.
Or if the CIA found a reliable way to do remote viewing the whole
process would be published in the Pentagon Review.
He will say, "sure but someone would have leaked it by now."
Maybe, maybe not, but the point is the absence of demonstration
doesn't mean OT powers have not been or are not available. Maybe no one
has any OT powers in present time. Maybe they just have demonstrated
them to HIM.
Maybe a lot of things, but in any case it just isn't true that the
reason he believes that OT powers don't exist is because 'no one has
ever demonstrated OT powers.'
That is not why he doesn't believe.
So like any good auditing process, you continue with the process
and ask the question again until you get the right answer.)
Auditor: Why do you believe OT powers do not exist?
PC: Well because they are impossible!
(The anatomy of an incredibility is a certainty that something is
true and a certainty that something is impossible. The mind can not
think beyond an incredibility or a threatened incredibility.
Thus the mere assertion that OT powers exist throws his entire
reality into an incredibility, and stops him cold in his tracks.
He's gotta know right now!
His need to know if they exist, assuming they do, override any need
for secrecy or discretion on the part of the people who have those
powers. And if given the chance he would sacrifice those very same
people if only he could get them to demonstrate a power that was
convincing enough. His attitude is to hell with the person who had the
power, now I can get on with my life knowing they exist.
If we could just get the preclear to not know if OT powers are
POSSIBLE or not, then we could get him to not know if they EXISTED or
not, rather than be adamantly firm that they don't.)
Auditor: Thank you, why do you believe that OT powers do not exist?
PC: Well you see it is like this. There is this great big universe
of space and time and matter and energy out there that existed long
before any human beings came along to have OT powers. From all those
parts flying around in space, planets were made, and seas were formed,
and amino acids came to be, and then DNA, then cells and finally bodies
with brains except for Churchies who skipped the brain stage, etc.
Eventually consciousness and self awareness formed as a process in
the brain and we finally have human beings.
Now the problem is that because consciousness is a process in the
brain, consciousness can only do what the brain can do, because
consciousness IS only some part of the brain in action.
First since the universe existed prior to the existence of brains,
it must have existed prior to the existence of consciousness too, and
thus any claim that consciousness had anything to do with the creation
of the universe, has cause and effect backwards.
The universe created brains and consciousness, and therefore it
can't be true that consciousness created the universe and brains.
Unless of course you have a universe with circular time where
something later can, later on, end up causing something earlier.
Auditor: "Continue..."
PC: Well, Godel said that General Relativity threw doubts on our
sense of causation, because such universes where time loops back on
itself perfectly, are possible.
Whatever the common nature of cause would be in such a universe
where time looped back on itself, this same nature of cause would also
have to be true of our universe, because cause is cause, and thus he
said the ideas of linear time and linear cause are in doubt in all
universes.
Godel also said that if Special Relativity is true, that our
concept of time itself is completely wrong. It is usually considered
that NOW is all the points in space time that actually EXIST right now,
and everything else no longer exists because it is in the past or
doesn't exist yet because it is in the future.
The problem is that moving observers will report different points
in space and time that are in the set of NOW points. And Godel said it
is no problem if measurements of time are relative, but it wasn't ok if
EXISTENCE was relative.
Also I know that the quantum boys believe that nothing exists
except as a wave form of probabilties until something or someone
actually observes it, and thus it might take a conscious observer to
make the universe precipitate into existence in the first place, but
they are confused, even amongst themselves.
For example, if it takes a conscious observer to precipitate an
actual event into existence, then what conscious observer precipitated
the original universe into existence, before any conscious had evolved?
Auditor: "Thank you, please continue..."
PC: So I know there are problems with our concepts of space and
time, but certain things are inexorable, like the conservation of energy
and the speed of light.
Take telepathy for example. Where's the energy wave that carries
thoughts from person to person across space time? Why can't the
scientists measure that energy transfer from brain to brain?
Telepathy is also supposed to travel infinitely fast, but that
violates the limitations imposed by the speed of light.
The speed of light is not just the speed of light, it is the speed
of CAUSATION as it moves through the universe. For example if there is
a war on Earth, those on Alpha Centauri can not possibly know about it
until 4 years later.
But if someone on earth could relay to his brother on Alpha
Centauri via telepathy when the war on Earth was started, his brother
could know ahead of time that the war was on and invest in the market
accordingly.
Now I don't care about that, but it becomes infinitely problematic
when data and thus causation can get from A to B faster than the speed
of light, because according to the equations of time, time could be made
to run backwards, thus messing up the linear straightforward motion of
causation.
As for telekinesis, again its a matter of energy. If you are going
to move the marble on the table that would take a very determinable
amount of ergs of energy that would have to emmanate from your brain
processes, go through your forehead and hit the marble.
But that level of energy would make your brain explode, and anyhow
there is nothing in the brain that could possibly generate that much
energy, so there is no way telekinesis could work.
As for exteriorization, the brain can't leave the brain, so there
is no way it could possibly leave the body to see the world remotely.
Further the brain needs a lens to focus the image, if someone were
outside the body, even if he could pick up photons, he would have to
have a lens to focus the image to see what was emitting the photons.
Where is the lens?
Some say OT's can see objects without the use of photons, ok, fine
in some comic book. That's a total violation of causation and
conservation of energy, people could just see and know things without
any physical interaction at all. The military would love that.
As for life after death, the whole thing is an oxymoron, once the
brain dies, all its processes die, you can guarantee that through
cremation, so how could consciousness, which is a process in the brain,
continue on?
As for past life memories, if the consciousness can't survive brain
death, how could it have lived before to have any memories, it just
doesn't make sense.
Auditor: OK, thanks for all that, I got it.
Auditor: Your needle is floating, this is end of session.
So now that the preclear has clearly stated the reasons why he
deosn't believe that OT powers exist, and given his new clarity of
perception on HIS OWN BELIEFS, and some time to think it through, he can
come to see the spiritual prison he has put himself in through his
scientific 'erudition'.
Yes being meat precludes being OT, but the evidence for
being meat is sketchy at best, ludicrous at worst.
Homer
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HOM41 (fwd)
I am sorry but this stuff is too odd to contemplate,
almost better to not post it...
Homer
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LOSS AND LIES
ryan_noemail@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Of course, being at effect of your case (self-entrapment) you fail to
>see that although you chose to be at effect some time in the past
>(whenever that is) you still chose (at this moment in time you chose to
>be in) to be at effect, so as to be not effective to the degree of not
>being at cause (not knowing) to have a game, which... ? ... this is the
>part I have trouble with.
Tis a good sign too.
Why manifest?
Adore has a very difficult answer to this question, one that most
will reject out of hand, particularly those pushing one side of the
dicom wing as 'The Truth".
Dicom = DIchotomies of Comparable and Opposite Magnitude.
Love/Hate, Beauty/Ugly, Good/Bad, Sovereignty/Anti-Sovereignty,
etc.
Each side forms the wing of a dicom that the being is flying down
the time stream with, trying to be one, trying to avoid the other.
Ultimately Truth/Lies and Beauty/Ugly are just more wings of a
dicom, so you have to take the following with a grain of salt and
understand that words fail to describe the non dicom state. (Notice
even dicom/non-dicom is a dicom!)
And so are manifest/unmanifest, and Native State/Non Native State
etc.
So with that in mind, here is what Adore has to say about "Why
Manifest?"
All manifestation is manifestaion of *LOSS*, all persistence is
persistence of *LOSS*, namely loss of Native State which Adore defines
as Perfectly Happy, Alone, Forever and Beyond Thank you.
"The law of Saviors is, if you are grateful for having been saved,
you haven't been."
Actually Adore really defines native state as the Big Snooze, but
just prior to eternal sleep is this happy bedtime.
Thus all manifestation is loss of this perfect native state.
However there is a *MECHANISM* to the loss, namely lies, not just
any old lies but particular specific lies woven in a *TAPESTRY OF
ILLOGIC* that *MANIFESTS THE BEAUTY OF WHAT WAS LOST*.
There are probably many such lies unique to each individual and
perhaps a number that are common to everyone. Adore would claim, for
example, that "Learning by Looking" is one such common lie.
Anyhow Adore says, the loss of any Native State beauty can only be
manifested and caused to persist by casting a beautiful lie or illogic
of exact equivalent beauty to the beauty that was lost.
The lie persists, which covers the beauty of native state which is
now lost, but the lie itself is beautiful so the beauty manifests
indirectly.
The being in the state of manifesting loss of beauty via a
beautiful lie or illogic can never see the beauty that was lost nor the
beauty in the lie or illogic, because the beauty is lost, and he
believes the lie or illogic which causes him ugly and suffering. All he
can do is suffer the loss as long as he believes the lie.
But the lie is beautiful! Which is why he took it on.
But the lie is beautiful only as long as he knows it is a lie. As
long as he believes the lie is truth, the lie is ugly. So he lives a
life of persisting ugly, seriousness, non humor while believing these
lies.
The being lost in the lies of persistence can not see the lies nor
the mechanism of loss via the lies, (else they would unmock), so he
suffers a state of 'loss'. But those that can see the tapestry of lies
in him and how he has woven it together with illogic, can see the beauty
that was lost instead.
The suffering of others then becomes beautiful to those who can
see.
Its a show he is putting on for other people, who can see, even
those who can't see because one day they will be able to.
One day *ALL MEN* will attain the awakened state.
Everyone is putting on the show together, so in present time the
best they can do is suffer it all together, but one day it will begin to
resolve and they will all see what they have been showing everyone else,
in the way of a beautiful performance of loss and lies.
That's why when you go up to a really high person who can see the
weave of lies and illogic, and you start telling them all your problems,
they are likely to get this really *BIG* grin on their face. They think
you are just beautiful, just omni awesome.
Kind of like a super Charlie Chaplin.
That's the beauty of your native state, of your Self Love, they are
seeing, as it shines out of the warp and weave of the beautiful lies and
illogic that compose your suffering. Your story of loss is so beautiful
that your pain is actually pleasure to them, the stunning almost
blinding gorgeousness of your own Native State and Self Love shines the
greatest from your worst pain.
You may feel they are laughing at you, they are but its the
laughter of love at the divine show you are putting on for them at
your expense.
It's the only way to give of yourself to another.
"Tragedy is Travesty born of High Appreciation for Ludicrous Demise."
From Adore.
That is the "why manifest".
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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LOSS AND LIES
ryan_noemail@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Of course, being at effect of your case (self-entrapment) you fail to
>see that although you chose to be at effect some time in the past
>(whenever that is) you still chose (at this moment in time you chose to
>be in) to be at effect, so as to be not effective to the degree of not
>being at cause (not knowing) to have a game, which... ? ... this is the
>part I have trouble with.
Tis a good sign too.
Why manifest?
Adore has a very difficult answer to this question, one that most
will reject out of hand, particularly those pushing one side of the
dicom wing as 'The Truth".
Dicom = DIchotomies of Comparable and Opposite Magnitude.
Love/Hate, Beauty/Ugly, Good/Bad, Sovereignty/Anti-Sovereignty,
etc.
Each side forms the wing of a dicom that the being is flying down
the time stream with, trying to be one, trying to avoid the other.
Ultimately Truth/Lies and Beauty/Ugly are just more wings of a
dicom, so you have to take the following with a grain of salt and
understand that words fail to describe the non dicom state. (Notice
even dicom/non-dicom is a dicom!)
And so are manifest/unmanifest, and Native State/Non Native State
etc.
So with that in mind, here is what Adore has to say about "Why
Manifest?"
All manifestation is manifestaion of *LOSS*, all persistence is
persistence of *LOSS*, namely loss of Native State which Adore defines
as Perfectly Happy, Alone, Forever and Beyond Thank you.
"The law of Saviors is, if you are grateful for having been saved,
you haven't been."
Actually Adore really defines native state as the Big Snooze, but
just prior to eternal sleep is this happy bedtime.
Thus all manifestation is loss of this perfect native state.
However there is a *MECHANISM* to the loss, namely lies, not just
any old lies but particular specific lies woven in a *TAPESTRY OF
ILLOGIC* that *MANIFESTS THE BEAUTY OF WHAT WAS LOST*.
There are probably many such lies unique to each individual and
perhaps a number that are common to everyone. Adore would claim, for
example, that "Learning by Looking" is one such common lie.
Anyhow Adore says, the loss of any Native State beauty can only be
manifested and caused to persist by casting a beautiful lie or illogic
of exact equivalent beauty to the beauty that was lost.
The lie persists, which covers the beauty of native state which is
now lost, but the lie itself is beautiful so the beauty manifests
indirectly.
The being in the state of manifesting loss of beauty via a
beautiful lie or illogic can never see the beauty that was lost nor the
beauty in the lie or illogic, because the beauty is lost, and he
believes the lie or illogic which causes him ugly and suffering. All he
can do is suffer the loss as long as he believes the lie.
But the lie is beautiful! Which is why he took it on.
But the lie is beautiful only as long as he knows it is a lie. As
long as he believes the lie is truth, the lie is ugly. So he lives a
life of persisting ugly, seriousness, non humor while believing these
lies.
The being lost in the lies of persistence can not see the lies nor
the mechanism of loss via the lies, (else they would unmock), so he
suffers a state of 'loss'. But those that can see the tapestry of lies
in him and how he has woven it together with illogic, can see the beauty
that was lost instead.
The suffering of others then becomes beautiful to those who can
see.
Its a show he is putting on for other people, who can see, even
those who can't see because one day they will be able to.
One day *ALL MEN* will attain the awakened state.
Everyone is putting on the show together, so in present time the
best they can do is suffer it all together, but one day it will begin to
resolve and they will all see what they have been showing everyone else,
in the way of a beautiful performance of loss and lies.
That's why when you go up to a really high person who can see the
weave of lies and illogic, and you start telling them all your problems,
they are likely to get this really *BIG* grin on their face. They think
you are just beautiful, just omni awesome.
Kind of like a super Charlie Chaplin.
That's the beauty of your native state, of your Self Love, they are
seeing, as it shines out of the warp and weave of the beautiful lies and
illogic that compose your suffering. Your story of loss is so beautiful
that your pain is actually pleasure to them, the stunning almost
blinding gorgeousness of your own Native State and Self Love shines the
greatest from your worst pain.
You may feel they are laughing at you, they are but its the
laughter of love at the divine show you are putting on for them at
your expense.
It's the only way to give of yourself to another.
"Tragedy is Travesty born of High Appreciation for Ludicrous Demise."
From Adore.
That is the "why manifest".
Homer
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George,
I bypass much of the problem by saying the following.
God is the AllThatIs.
We are God in carnation.
Thus I call a being a GodSoul.
It operates as both God the Creator, and as Soul the Creature.
Everything created therefore comes from us either as God,
or as Soul.
Dicom's exist, good and bad, love and hate, life and death etc.
The purpose of creation is ART, not order.
Order is just another stupid dicom.
Art is a comingling of order and disorder, harmony and disharmony
followed by resolve.
Not just any harmony will do, not just any disharmony will do, only
those harmonies and disharmonies that fold into a final resolve of
laughter, worthwhileness and peace complete the equation.
That's simple music theory.
Harmonies are enhanced by disharmonies via the resolve at the end.
Thus we seek a good work of art, not a good being.
As Author we seek a good story, not a good character.
If everyone in a story were good, the story would not be interesting.
From the character point of view, the good side of the dicom seems
to be more valuable than the bad side of the dicom.
Pleasure is intrinsically good to the character and pain
intrinsically bad.
Thus most bad comes from people who are trying to give themselves
pleasure by preemptively giving others pain. They have become only ones
against an empire of zombies in their own minds.
Its a psychosis of the good character hallucinating evil where it
doesn't exist, rather than some fundamental ontological valid evil that
does exist.
The character however does believes in the evil because he can feel
it, which is why he gets preemptive about it.
But that's from the Soul point of view.
From the God point of view of the same GodSoul, the use of any side
of all dicoms is a valid color in his palette of painting the tapestry
of life, tragedy and travesty, miracle and majesty.
Thus there is no right or wrong, there are only bad stories and
good stories.
No God creates a bad story at will, he does his best to create a
good story. Thus both sides of good and bad will be played out by the
Creature.
There is thus no 'obedience' to God, because the Soul is God in
carnation, and can not help but obey the dictates of his own Authorship
through the labyrinth of good being to bad being to free being again.
If one soul doesn't like the authorship of another soul, the first
can tell the second 'God will punish you', but its all bullshit, and
eventually comes back on the first who ends up in hell for a while for
wishing the second into hell forever.
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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George,
I bypass much of the problem by saying the following.
God is the AllThatIs.
We are God in carnation.
Thus I call a being a GodSoul.
It operates as both God the Creator, and as Soul the Creature.
Everything created therefore comes from us either as God,
or as Soul.
Dicom's exist, good and bad, love and hate, life and death etc.
The purpose of creation is ART, not order.
Order is just another stupid dicom.
Art is a comingling of order and disorder, harmony and disharmony
followed by resolve.
Not just any harmony will do, not just any disharmony will do, only
those harmonies and disharmonies that fold into a final resolve of
laughter, worthwhileness and peace complete the equation.
That's simple music theory.
Harmonies are enhanced by disharmonies via the resolve at the end.
Thus we seek a good work of art, not a good being.
As Author we seek a good story, not a good character.
If everyone in a story were good, the story would not be interesting.
From the character point of view, the good side of the dicom seems
to be more valuable than the bad side of the dicom.
Pleasure is intrinsically good to the character and pain
intrinsically bad.
Thus most bad comes from people who are trying to give themselves
pleasure by preemptively giving others pain. They have become only ones
against an empire of zombies in their own minds.
Its a psychosis of the good character hallucinating evil where it
doesn't exist, rather than some fundamental ontological valid evil that
does exist.
The character however does believes in the evil because he can feel
it, which is why he gets preemptive about it.
But that's from the Soul point of view.
From the God point of view of the same GodSoul, the use of any side
of all dicoms is a valid color in his palette of painting the tapestry
of life, tragedy and travesty, miracle and majesty.
Thus there is no right or wrong, there are only bad stories and
good stories.
No God creates a bad story at will, he does his best to create a
good story. Thus both sides of good and bad will be played out by the
Creature.
There is thus no 'obedience' to God, because the Soul is God in
carnation, and can not help but obey the dictates of his own Authorship
through the labyrinth of good being to bad being to free being again.
If one soul doesn't like the authorship of another soul, the first
can tell the second 'God will punish you', but its all bullshit, and
eventually comes back on the first who ends up in hell for a while for
wishing the second into hell forever.
Homer
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QUESTIONS OR COMMANDS?
Well the issue here is question asking itself.
Auditing was built on the fundamentals of asking questions and
getting answers.
Scientology is defined as the science of knowing how to know
answers to questions.
The problem is that the being is so totally caught up in question
asking, that you can't possibly ask him a question without a trillion
years of failure convulsing on every question he ever failed to answer.
"All aberration is waiting for an answer." - LRH Dianetics 55!
Worse many questions are self answering, the QUESTION is the source
of the problem, and ceasing to ask the question is the answer to the
problem!
All persistence of any kind is cemented into place by a question.
Postulate -> Alter-Is -> Question -> Committment of Effort ->
Persistence.
The guy postulates a spider, denies he created it (alter-is), asks
'what do I do about it?', commits effort to the answer (get a gun), and
the spider comes after him as he goes for the gun, which is persistence.
The question is usually of the form, 'where did that come from, and
what can I do about it!'
If he really wants to do something about it, he can make it again,
and it will vanish when he lets go.
But the question asking COMMITS effort, and thus him, to his
consideration that he didn't make it and has no clue what to do about
it, and justice is you get what you postulate.
Thus running,
"What question are you asking?"
is a great process, except it is a QUESTION!
run instead,
"Spot NO question."
"Spot SOME question."
A NO question would be a question the preclear or anyone is asking
but no longer knows it.
"The Service Fac is an excuse for not expressing a resentment by
asking a question instead." - From Adore.
Every service fac condition is cemented into place at the end of it
with a question about why it is there and what can I do about it?
"Who or what is cause around here, and why is it such an asshole?"
That is probably the generic who, what and why question, and your
top level listing question that is driving your pc nuts.
Now that he has a persistence going, he asks further 'What can I DO
about it?' and away we go into time.
It is all a deceit of magnitude because the being just put it there
himself.
He KNOWS. What then is he doing asking questions about how to get
rid of it except in order to keep it around?
Question asking is an effort to continue not knowing the answer to
a problem, via pretending to want to know.
He will ask the question on the pretense of wanting to know the
answer, which will make sure he never finds the answer, which is what he
wants underlying the deceit, a rough game.
These lead to games that can never be won.
The end result of question asking in auditing is the auditor asks
"Whatsit?" and preclear says "I don't know, you tell me, you are the
doctor."
The pc has turned the tables around on the auditor by getting the
auditor to answer 'What is wrong with me!', and that's called out of
session.
Even the questions asked during in-session sessions add up and
build on the bank which is all snarled up and persisting because of
failed or wrong answers to questions!
And silly auditor thinks he is going to clean up that snarl by
getting some *RIGHT* answers to questions this time!
Good luck.
Primary dramatization is question asking!
Run "What am I dramatizing?" until you are dead.
Run "Spot NO/SOME dramatizing" until you are alive again.
This is in part why auditing itself needs to be run out at the end.
Every question that is asked of the preclear restimulates the
entire bank just that much.
You think the preclear can ask just one question at a time?
Dream on.
You are trying to be laser precise in your auditing, yet your every
question kicks the whole bank into a great big grinding groan.
Especially if the question or process you are running is not THE
exact question you should be running at this instance. But who can ever
know ahead of time really what to run. So while the preclear is trying
to answer the given question, he is also seeking for the right question
that should be being asked, which is self C/Sing in the chair as a
result of wrong C/Sing.
Rather than add thousands and thousands of more questions to the
bank and time track, we want to spot questions that are already going on
and as-is them out of existence, particularly the questions that are
self answering and thus are killing the preclear while trying to find a
(by definition) wrong answer to them.
If a question is self answering, then ANY further answer to that
question is a wrong indication, and the preclear will start seeking
those answers with a feeling of doom because he knows when he 'finds the
answer' he will feel just awful because Truth stinks.
Below Grade 3, ARC Break Release, he knows this for sure, and thus
the worse he feels the closer to the truth he is sure he is. Given two
possibilities, he will accept the one that makes him feel the loudest
and the worst.
He has already missed the correct answer, the question itself, and
thus ANY search for another answer to that question is SEEKING a wrong
indication and thus leads down the path of final dismay.
The prclear at Grade 3, ARC Breaks, will learn not to do this.
He can get the correct answer to questions because he determines
the correctness of an answer by how good it makes him feel rather than
by how bad it makes him feel :)
All ARC breaks stem from seeking the answer to a self answering
question.
That is the missed withhold!
Homer
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QUESTIONS OR COMMANDS?
Well the issue here is question asking itself.
Auditing was built on the fundamentals of asking questions and
getting answers.
Scientology is defined as the science of knowing how to know
answers to questions.
The problem is that the being is so totally caught up in question
asking, that you can't possibly ask him a question without a trillion
years of failure convulsing on every question he ever failed to answer.
"All aberration is waiting for an answer." - LRH Dianetics 55!
Worse many questions are self answering, the QUESTION is the source
of the problem, and ceasing to ask the question is the answer to the
problem!
All persistence of any kind is cemented into place by a question.
Postulate -> Alter-Is -> Question -> Committment of Effort ->
Persistence.
The guy postulates a spider, denies he created it (alter-is), asks
'what do I do about it?', commits effort to the answer (get a gun), and
the spider comes after him as he goes for the gun, which is persistence.
The question is usually of the form, 'where did that come from, and
what can I do about it!'
If he really wants to do something about it, he can make it again,
and it will vanish when he lets go.
But the question asking COMMITS effort, and thus him, to his
consideration that he didn't make it and has no clue what to do about
it, and justice is you get what you postulate.
Thus running,
"What question are you asking?"
is a great process, except it is a QUESTION!
run instead,
"Spot NO question."
"Spot SOME question."
A NO question would be a question the preclear or anyone is asking
but no longer knows it.
"The Service Fac is an excuse for not expressing a resentment by
asking a question instead." - From Adore.
Every service fac condition is cemented into place at the end of it
with a question about why it is there and what can I do about it?
"Who or what is cause around here, and why is it such an asshole?"
That is probably the generic who, what and why question, and your
top level listing question that is driving your pc nuts.
Now that he has a persistence going, he asks further 'What can I DO
about it?' and away we go into time.
It is all a deceit of magnitude because the being just put it there
himself.
He KNOWS. What then is he doing asking questions about how to get
rid of it except in order to keep it around?
Question asking is an effort to continue not knowing the answer to
a problem, via pretending to want to know.
He will ask the question on the pretense of wanting to know the
answer, which will make sure he never finds the answer, which is what he
wants underlying the deceit, a rough game.
These lead to games that can never be won.
The end result of question asking in auditing is the auditor asks
"Whatsit?" and preclear says "I don't know, you tell me, you are the
doctor."
The pc has turned the tables around on the auditor by getting the
auditor to answer 'What is wrong with me!', and that's called out of
session.
Even the questions asked during in-session sessions add up and
build on the bank which is all snarled up and persisting because of
failed or wrong answers to questions!
And silly auditor thinks he is going to clean up that snarl by
getting some *RIGHT* answers to questions this time!
Good luck.
Primary dramatization is question asking!
Run "What am I dramatizing?" until you are dead.
Run "Spot NO/SOME dramatizing" until you are alive again.
This is in part why auditing itself needs to be run out at the end.
Every question that is asked of the preclear restimulates the
entire bank just that much.
You think the preclear can ask just one question at a time?
Dream on.
You are trying to be laser precise in your auditing, yet your every
question kicks the whole bank into a great big grinding groan.
Especially if the question or process you are running is not THE
exact question you should be running at this instance. But who can ever
know ahead of time really what to run. So while the preclear is trying
to answer the given question, he is also seeking for the right question
that should be being asked, which is self C/Sing in the chair as a
result of wrong C/Sing.
Rather than add thousands and thousands of more questions to the
bank and time track, we want to spot questions that are already going on
and as-is them out of existence, particularly the questions that are
self answering and thus are killing the preclear while trying to find a
(by definition) wrong answer to them.
If a question is self answering, then ANY further answer to that
question is a wrong indication, and the preclear will start seeking
those answers with a feeling of doom because he knows when he 'finds the
answer' he will feel just awful because Truth stinks.
Below Grade 3, ARC Break Release, he knows this for sure, and thus
the worse he feels the closer to the truth he is sure he is. Given two
possibilities, he will accept the one that makes him feel the loudest
and the worst.
He has already missed the correct answer, the question itself, and
thus ANY search for another answer to that question is SEEKING a wrong
indication and thus leads down the path of final dismay.
The prclear at Grade 3, ARC Breaks, will learn not to do this.
He can get the correct answer to questions because he determines
the correctness of an answer by how good it makes him feel rather than
by how bad it makes him feel :)
All ARC breaks stem from seeking the answer to a self answering
question.
That is the missed withhold!
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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DIRTY TRICKS
ACT - 42
22 January 1994
Copyright (C) 1994 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
> Thank you Homer for your post on the GO. We disagree on lots of
>things but we can still learn much from each other. It's nice being
>able to discuss the tech and the org with knowledgeable people who are
>willing to be challenged and to challenge others.
You think they have an OPS out on me yet?
Let's see how's it going to be?
Maybe I will get a call from one of my long term contacts at
Cornell, 'Homer? We heard something real strange about you the other
day from a reputable source... What's this we hear about you using your
accounts to defame that wonderful Church of Scientology?'
Or maybe the police will come knocking at my door with a search
warrant... What will it be, child porn, guns, drugs? Maybe Church
secrets? 'A concerned citizen told us...'
What?! Guns AND drugs! Oh no, a confirmed felon!
So let's see which is it gonna be, do I get rid of the guns, or do
I get rid of the drugs? Hmmm, hard choice. Of course there will be
blood and urine tests. Got to prepare for them. Maybe I should go
straight one of these days. My addiction to Chloropromazine will be the
hardest to kick...
Of course they will have a subpoena for ADORE, ALL of it! All of
my computers and tapes and disks and everything I own will be taken and
searched for damning information. My business will be ruined.
Oh yes, and of course there are all the years and years of case
note books and case tapes, all of which will be read into evidence.
Or perhaps they will call up our buyers and vendors and tell them
not to do business with us because I am a communist or a fruit cake, or
a homo or a child molester or a Scientologist... Oh God no, tell them
anything, but PLEASE don't tell them I'm a Scientologist!
'Hello Spencers? We notice you have been selling Art Matrix
fractal posters. Yes? Good. We thought you might like to know we have
evidence that Art Matrix is funding its production runs of fractal
posters with money made from Kiddy Porn downloaded from Copenhagen. Do
you wish to be associated with this kind of company? No? Good. We
will keep you informed...'
You think the Church has found my old case folders yet? Let's see,
just what IS in them? Oh my, gulp... Well maybe they have lost them.
Let's hope so.
Or course there are my neighbors, and my land lord, shall we count
the ways we can third party someone to a neighbor or bear false witness
to their community?
Oh yes, and don't forget the IRS, a short note to their good
buddies in the Internal Revenue Service could get me audited back to the
beginning of time. All those donations to the Church of Scientology...
gee I don't know, you think they will pass the audit?
Or maybe a note to the credit bureau tarnishing my perfect credit
record, maybe get a hacker to enter the files...
You think the apartment is bugged yet? You think they have moved
in across the street so that they can observe me?
You think they will follow me when I take walks at night or go
places in the car?
And what about Boogers, my dog, gotta keep a watchful eye on him or
his days may be numbered.
And how about my car, sugar in the gas tank, maybe a loosened spark
plug, maybe take off 4 of the 5 nuts on a back tire. I had someone do
that to me once, the tire came off when the last lug bolt broke clean
off at 60 miles an hour on a highway and the tire went rolling past the
station wagon as smooth as you please. "Gee, look at that tire honey, I
wonder who's tire that is?" No problem, I wasn't there, my friend was
driving the car.
Now HE had a problem, he was carrying 200 small plants for his
plant store in the back of the wagon, and they ALL went up in the air
when he hit the guard rail. He should have known better than to hit the
brakes... Don't they teach you nothing in Driver's Ed?
How sick do you have to be before any Church will try to make you
well?
Homer
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Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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22 January 1994
Copyright (C) 1994 Homer Wilson Smith
Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes.
> Thank you Homer for your post on the GO. We disagree on lots of
>things but we can still learn much from each other. It's nice being
>able to discuss the tech and the org with knowledgeable people who are
>willing to be challenged and to challenge others.
You think they have an OPS out on me yet?
Let's see how's it going to be?
Maybe I will get a call from one of my long term contacts at
Cornell, 'Homer? We heard something real strange about you the other
day from a reputable source... What's this we hear about you using your
accounts to defame that wonderful Church of Scientology?'
Or maybe the police will come knocking at my door with a search
warrant... What will it be, child porn, guns, drugs? Maybe Church
secrets? 'A concerned citizen told us...'
What?! Guns AND drugs! Oh no, a confirmed felon!
So let's see which is it gonna be, do I get rid of the guns, or do
I get rid of the drugs? Hmmm, hard choice. Of course there will be
blood and urine tests. Got to prepare for them. Maybe I should go
straight one of these days. My addiction to Chloropromazine will be the
hardest to kick...
Of course they will have a subpoena for ADORE, ALL of it! All of
my computers and tapes and disks and everything I own will be taken and
searched for damning information. My business will be ruined.
Oh yes, and of course there are all the years and years of case
note books and case tapes, all of which will be read into evidence.
Or perhaps they will call up our buyers and vendors and tell them
not to do business with us because I am a communist or a fruit cake, or
a homo or a child molester or a Scientologist... Oh God no, tell them
anything, but PLEASE don't tell them I'm a Scientologist!
'Hello Spencers? We notice you have been selling Art Matrix
fractal posters. Yes? Good. We thought you might like to know we have
evidence that Art Matrix is funding its production runs of fractal
posters with money made from Kiddy Porn downloaded from Copenhagen. Do
you wish to be associated with this kind of company? No? Good. We
will keep you informed...'
You think the Church has found my old case folders yet? Let's see,
just what IS in them? Oh my, gulp... Well maybe they have lost them.
Let's hope so.
Or course there are my neighbors, and my land lord, shall we count
the ways we can third party someone to a neighbor or bear false witness
to their community?
Oh yes, and don't forget the IRS, a short note to their good
buddies in the Internal Revenue Service could get me audited back to the
beginning of time. All those donations to the Church of Scientology...
gee I don't know, you think they will pass the audit?
Or maybe a note to the credit bureau tarnishing my perfect credit
record, maybe get a hacker to enter the files...
You think the apartment is bugged yet? You think they have moved
in across the street so that they can observe me?
You think they will follow me when I take walks at night or go
places in the car?
And what about Boogers, my dog, gotta keep a watchful eye on him or
his days may be numbered.
And how about my car, sugar in the gas tank, maybe a loosened spark
plug, maybe take off 4 of the 5 nuts on a back tire. I had someone do
that to me once, the tire came off when the last lug bolt broke clean
off at 60 miles an hour on a highway and the tire went rolling past the
station wagon as smooth as you please. "Gee, look at that tire honey, I
wonder who's tire that is?" No problem, I wasn't there, my friend was
driving the car.
Now HE had a problem, he was carrying 200 small plants for his
plant store in the back of the wagon, and they ALL went up in the air
when he hit the guard rail. He should have known better than to hit the
brakes... Don't they teach you nothing in Driver's Ed?
How sick do you have to be before any Church will try to make you
well?
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
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Adore is a baby phase religion. As such it has most of its
attention on women, specifically mothers and girl friends.
The intent here is not to make friends with women, but to hang
them high for the sins of their children, until they are worthy as
beings again to breath the air that we all live in.
If you do not clean up woman, you will never clean up the spawn
of women, and the men will continue with their wars and atomic wars
until there is no air left to breath for anyone.
This is what men think of their mothers, and this is what men do
for their mothers.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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Adore is a baby phase religion. As such it has most of its
attention on women, specifically mothers and girl friends.
The intent here is not to make friends with women, but to hang
them high for the sins of their children, until they are worthy as
beings again to breath the air that we all live in.
If you do not clean up woman, you will never clean up the spawn
of women, and the men will continue with their wars and atomic wars
until there is no air left to breath for anyone.
This is what men think of their mothers, and this is what men do
for their mothers.
Homer
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Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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CONSERVATION OF SOMETHING AND NOTHING
An object is that which has qualities.
A quality is that which describes an object.
A something is an object with a non empty quality set, the set of
all qualities that describe the object.
A nothing is an object with an empty quality set.
There can only be one nothing, because if there were two different
nothings, their quality sets would be different and thus they couldn't
both have empty quality sets and thus couldn't both be nothings.
THE FUNDAMENTAL THEOREM OF SOMETHING AND NOTHING.
The fundamental theorem of something and nothing tells us,
Something can not come from nothing, and
Something can not go into nothing.
Therefore if something exists now, something must have always
existed and will always exist.
The justification for this theorem comes from the idea that if a
nothing had the quality of potential ability to give rise to a
something, that quality would render the nothing's quality set non
empty, and thus render the nothing not a nothing.
Thus potential ability to give rise to something is already a
something.
Various somethings however can change form, thus giving the
apparency that something is changing into a different something.
However underlying the various surface forms of somethings that
change into each other will be a common something which is the actual
something which can neither be created nor destroyed.
Change of form of the actual underlying something is not creation
or destruction.
Thus mass which is a something called energy can change into
photons which is also a something called energy. Mass and light have
very different surface qualities, but the actual common something
between them is energy.
THE CONSERVATION OF SOMETHING AND NOTHING.
What this tells us, is that if you have something, then you have
always had that something and will always have it, regardless of what
form it takes.
And if you have a nothing, you have always had that nothing, and
will always have that nothing. Notice a nothing can not change forms as
it has no qualities to change.
The somethings that make a universe can be varied and complex, it
is not true that there is only one kind of something in the world.
The hunt for something, is the hunt for what is conserved, for an
understanding of what is actual in a universe and what is merely real,
(apparently actual to people's sense of reality, but not actually
actual) and allows the beings in that universe to play the game better.
This hunt is the process of science.
For example, in the alleged physical universe of dimensional space
and time, both space and time are generally considered to be conserved,
thus they are considered actual.
As mentioned above, the common somethings underlying the physics of
objects in that space and time, are energy, momentum, spin, charge and a
few other weird ones like baryon number.
Physicists seek that which is conserved, because they hope that
what is conserved is what is actual underlying the apparencies that come
and go.
In other words if all actual somethings must be conserved, then
that which is conserved is probably an actual something.
Notice the word probably.
In the middle of the last few centuries, natural philosophy started
to change from 'God causes everything according to His Will', to every
thing follows mathematical law.
Galileo was imprisoned for suggesting that the tides were caused by
the Moon. The Church said this limited God's will and control over
things and was thus heresy.
Galileo argued back that God was free to create things as he
wished, and if he wanted the tides to march in step with the moon and
its various mathematical laws, that was His prerogative.
The Church didn't buy it as the primary purpose of the Christian
Church at the time was to be a holding pen for idiots.
But now we hear from modern Physicists that there is no need for
God to explain anything any more, we have mathematical natural law
instead.
The earth goes around the Sun in an ellipse 'because' of the forces
of gravity and there is no need for God to explain anything.
The same argument however applies to this new age Church of the
Bomb, they have explained exactly nothing by merely describing HOW the
earth moves around the sun. The have posited forces and masses and
equations between them, but again one is free to ask why is it this way
instead of some other way, and who or what is ultimately responsible for
bringing it about?
And again the Church of the Bomb doesn't seem to want to buy it,
mostly because it too is a sargasso sea for sick, dead, and dying beings
who think they are made of meat.
They believe they can explain everything with their 4 fundamental
forces of nature, they seem to miss that Love and Shame can not of force
and mass be made.
If they ever do unify their 4 fundamental forces of nature
into one grand unified theory of everything, they will find that
the one top level cause is CONSCIOUSNESS.
But at that point they will be in serious trouble because presently
they consider that consciousness is MADE of the 4 fundamental forces,
namely a process in space time mechanics in the brain.
You can't make a non space time entity (consciousness) out of space
time machines, no matter how many you use or how complexly you put them
together.
One thing HAS however come out of the past 2000 years of
religious and scientific barbarism, and that is if God does exist,
then,
"God is apparently a mathematician first, and a purveyor of
damnation second." - Adore
In studying the mathematics of the physical universe one is struck
by the awesome intelligence it must take to understand all the
mathematics behind everything that works, let alone have devised and
designed it this way.
It seems unlikely that such an intelligent being would spend its
time by stooping to such crass and rank behaviors like sending people to
hell forever for the sins of four score and 20.
Unless maybe they were Christians.
But no, I am a sinner and repent of my hatred in dust and ashes,
and so any God as great as the mathematics of the cosmos would be able
to find a better way to deal with even me and them.
This is something to aspire to.
But now we have to ask, why did God create the Sun and Earth such
that it went around in an ellipse? Why not a square?
Surely if God can do anything, he could just as easily make the
Earth hang a louey every 3 months with the same approximate effect.
The answer comes down to conservation of something, and the desire
to create the illusion that the physical universe is a something.
I once had a dream, I was sound asleep and there was a lamp on my
table in the dream that I wanted to turn on because the room was dark.
The lamp had a standard lamp shade and a metal pull string up where the
bulb was.
So I reached over in the dream and pulled the metal string, and the
lamp turned on.
There was a perfect conical ray of light coming down from the
bottom edge of the lamp shade to the table where the lamp was standing,
and the rays made a perfect circle of light on the table as you would
expect such a lamp to do.
But the bulb remained off, the lamp shade itself was dark and the
room was not lit at all even by the light bouncing off the table.
This woke me right up.
Why?
Because in that dream I did not know I was dreaming, and I expected
the lamp to be a something, and I was reaching to it to operate its
cause to increase the light in the room. When I pulled the string, and
light appeared out of nowhere at the bottom edge of the shade down to
the table, I was suddenly hit by the truth that the something I thought
was there, wasn't there at all. How could light appear OUT OF NOTHING,
and the bulb remain off.
This violated something from nothing big time, and the end result
was I woke up.
Of course once awake, I knew that in a dream anything could happen,
even if the bulb had turned on, and the walls had lit up, the light
coming from the bulb wasn't was lighting the walls anyway, as EVERYTHING
in a dream is self luminous.
So I was comfortable again residing in the waking universe of
"true" somethings and I could get on with my day.
Little did I know, eh?
THE SUN AND THE EARTH
Now let's say that the Earth did manage to move in a square around
the Sun. This now needs an explanation, how come it moves in a straight
line for 3 months, and then suddenly turns left, and then follows a
straight line for 3 months more.
This can't happen for no reason because that violates SOMETHING
FROM NOTHING.
We expect, and in fact need, that if a change takes place, then
something prior must have caused the change, and if there is no change
in anything prior to the Earth taking a left, then that's something
coming from nothing.
Something must always come from something!
Changes must always be preceeded by other changes, either internal
or external to the object even if it is just time!
Now God could have created all kinds of 'somethings' to account for
why the Earth changes course suddenly in its orbit to form a square. If
he doesn't, then everyone will be stuck with the non understanding that
comes from things coming from nothing and happening for no reason, and
they would wake up!
Every being naturally seeks the lowest common denominator of the
universe where something and nothing are comfortably conserved.
So what He did do is create a very simple system of conservation.
In this system there are forces and masses, forces and masses are
related by simply mathematical rules whereby forces, which are
something, are allowed to impart motion to or change the courses of
masses, which are ANOTHER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOMETHING.
He further said that the force the sun exerts on the Earth is a
function of the sun's mass, and since the sun's mass isn't changing
significantly over time, neither can the force the Sun exerts on the
Earth. Further since the Sun's mass is spherical and there is no
preferred direction, the Sun's force must act equally in all directions
at all times on the Earth, depending only on how far the Earth is from
the sun.
Given the above, the mathematics of the situation inexorably
computes out to an ellipse. Thus if left to their own devices,
celestial objects like to orbit in ellipses, and the apparent somethings
or force and mass are all conserved.
In this case, the apparent somethings are cause and effect, namely
force and mass. Effects with out cause, and causes without effects both
violate something from nothing, and if this actually happened in any
dream universe, the beings in it would wake up to the next universe out
where something and nothing were properly conserved.
Now we already know that there is no mandatory reason that impels a
God to create a dream universe where something and nothing are
conserved.
He can just as easily make the Earth go around in random zig zags,
and let everyone down below know he is doing it out of caprice. There
ARE no actual somethings or nothing to be conserved in any dreamtime, so
the God can do what he wants. But the beings in the dream, including
the God himself when he jumps into his own creation, will have a very
hard time figuring out the rules, and eventually say "Oh screw it" and
wake up on purpose, because they KNOW the universe isn't actual.
You see for a universe to persist for any length of time the beings
in it must think the universe is more actual than they are. It is best
if the beings think they are MADE OF the universe somethings, like being
a brain or some such.
So The God creates dreamtimes that conserve something and nothing
purely out of a practical need, namely to make sure he doesn't wake up
when inside the dream universe.
If his created universe is going persist it's somethings have to be
more conserved than he is!
He can be incipient carrion or dust in the wind, but the oceans and
the rocks will out live him forever.
He won't ever wake up out of that dream!
His dream has to act as if it is actual right down to the last
quark, so he can continue to think he IS an actual machine operating in
an actual space time continuum.
If one single quark doesn't burp in just the right way, and the
dreaming being gets the faintest idea that something is no longer
conserved in an irreconcilable way, he will wake up and lose his dream.
This is why OT powers in the physical universe are really bad for
beings, it wakes them up like a meteor hitting their house.
Some people claim they really want it to happen, but once it does
they wish they could enter the dream again and can't.
The dream's cover has been blow, conservation of something and
nothing.
Homer
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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CONSERVATION OF SOMETHING AND NOTHING
An object is that which has qualities.
A quality is that which describes an object.
A something is an object with a non empty quality set, the set of
all qualities that describe the object.
A nothing is an object with an empty quality set.
There can only be one nothing, because if there were two different
nothings, their quality sets would be different and thus they couldn't
both have empty quality sets and thus couldn't both be nothings.
THE FUNDAMENTAL THEOREM OF SOMETHING AND NOTHING.
The fundamental theorem of something and nothing tells us,
Something can not come from nothing, and
Something can not go into nothing.
Therefore if something exists now, something must have always
existed and will always exist.
The justification for this theorem comes from the idea that if a
nothing had the quality of potential ability to give rise to a
something, that quality would render the nothing's quality set non
empty, and thus render the nothing not a nothing.
Thus potential ability to give rise to something is already a
something.
Various somethings however can change form, thus giving the
apparency that something is changing into a different something.
However underlying the various surface forms of somethings that
change into each other will be a common something which is the actual
something which can neither be created nor destroyed.
Change of form of the actual underlying something is not creation
or destruction.
Thus mass which is a something called energy can change into
photons which is also a something called energy. Mass and light have
very different surface qualities, but the actual common something
between them is energy.
THE CONSERVATION OF SOMETHING AND NOTHING.
What this tells us, is that if you have something, then you have
always had that something and will always have it, regardless of what
form it takes.
And if you have a nothing, you have always had that nothing, and
will always have that nothing. Notice a nothing can not change forms as
it has no qualities to change.
The somethings that make a universe can be varied and complex, it
is not true that there is only one kind of something in the world.
The hunt for something, is the hunt for what is conserved, for an
understanding of what is actual in a universe and what is merely real,
(apparently actual to people's sense of reality, but not actually
actual) and allows the beings in that universe to play the game better.
This hunt is the process of science.
For example, in the alleged physical universe of dimensional space
and time, both space and time are generally considered to be conserved,
thus they are considered actual.
As mentioned above, the common somethings underlying the physics of
objects in that space and time, are energy, momentum, spin, charge and a
few other weird ones like baryon number.
Physicists seek that which is conserved, because they hope that
what is conserved is what is actual underlying the apparencies that come
and go.
In other words if all actual somethings must be conserved, then
that which is conserved is probably an actual something.
Notice the word probably.
In the middle of the last few centuries, natural philosophy started
to change from 'God causes everything according to His Will', to every
thing follows mathematical law.
Galileo was imprisoned for suggesting that the tides were caused by
the Moon. The Church said this limited God's will and control over
things and was thus heresy.
Galileo argued back that God was free to create things as he
wished, and if he wanted the tides to march in step with the moon and
its various mathematical laws, that was His prerogative.
The Church didn't buy it as the primary purpose of the Christian
Church at the time was to be a holding pen for idiots.
But now we hear from modern Physicists that there is no need for
God to explain anything any more, we have mathematical natural law
instead.
The earth goes around the Sun in an ellipse 'because' of the forces
of gravity and there is no need for God to explain anything.
The same argument however applies to this new age Church of the
Bomb, they have explained exactly nothing by merely describing HOW the
earth moves around the sun. The have posited forces and masses and
equations between them, but again one is free to ask why is it this way
instead of some other way, and who or what is ultimately responsible for
bringing it about?
And again the Church of the Bomb doesn't seem to want to buy it,
mostly because it too is a sargasso sea for sick, dead, and dying beings
who think they are made of meat.
They believe they can explain everything with their 4 fundamental
forces of nature, they seem to miss that Love and Shame can not of force
and mass be made.
If they ever do unify their 4 fundamental forces of nature
into one grand unified theory of everything, they will find that
the one top level cause is CONSCIOUSNESS.
But at that point they will be in serious trouble because presently
they consider that consciousness is MADE of the 4 fundamental forces,
namely a process in space time mechanics in the brain.
You can't make a non space time entity (consciousness) out of space
time machines, no matter how many you use or how complexly you put them
together.
One thing HAS however come out of the past 2000 years of
religious and scientific barbarism, and that is if God does exist,
then,
"God is apparently a mathematician first, and a purveyor of
damnation second." - Adore
In studying the mathematics of the physical universe one is struck
by the awesome intelligence it must take to understand all the
mathematics behind everything that works, let alone have devised and
designed it this way.
It seems unlikely that such an intelligent being would spend its
time by stooping to such crass and rank behaviors like sending people to
hell forever for the sins of four score and 20.
Unless maybe they were Christians.
But no, I am a sinner and repent of my hatred in dust and ashes,
and so any God as great as the mathematics of the cosmos would be able
to find a better way to deal with even me and them.
This is something to aspire to.
But now we have to ask, why did God create the Sun and Earth such
that it went around in an ellipse? Why not a square?
Surely if God can do anything, he could just as easily make the
Earth hang a louey every 3 months with the same approximate effect.
The answer comes down to conservation of something, and the desire
to create the illusion that the physical universe is a something.
I once had a dream, I was sound asleep and there was a lamp on my
table in the dream that I wanted to turn on because the room was dark.
The lamp had a standard lamp shade and a metal pull string up where the
bulb was.
So I reached over in the dream and pulled the metal string, and the
lamp turned on.
There was a perfect conical ray of light coming down from the
bottom edge of the lamp shade to the table where the lamp was standing,
and the rays made a perfect circle of light on the table as you would
expect such a lamp to do.
But the bulb remained off, the lamp shade itself was dark and the
room was not lit at all even by the light bouncing off the table.
This woke me right up.
Why?
Because in that dream I did not know I was dreaming, and I expected
the lamp to be a something, and I was reaching to it to operate its
cause to increase the light in the room. When I pulled the string, and
light appeared out of nowhere at the bottom edge of the shade down to
the table, I was suddenly hit by the truth that the something I thought
was there, wasn't there at all. How could light appear OUT OF NOTHING,
and the bulb remain off.
This violated something from nothing big time, and the end result
was I woke up.
Of course once awake, I knew that in a dream anything could happen,
even if the bulb had turned on, and the walls had lit up, the light
coming from the bulb wasn't was lighting the walls anyway, as EVERYTHING
in a dream is self luminous.
So I was comfortable again residing in the waking universe of
"true" somethings and I could get on with my day.
Little did I know, eh?
THE SUN AND THE EARTH
Now let's say that the Earth did manage to move in a square around
the Sun. This now needs an explanation, how come it moves in a straight
line for 3 months, and then suddenly turns left, and then follows a
straight line for 3 months more.
This can't happen for no reason because that violates SOMETHING
FROM NOTHING.
We expect, and in fact need, that if a change takes place, then
something prior must have caused the change, and if there is no change
in anything prior to the Earth taking a left, then that's something
coming from nothing.
Something must always come from something!
Changes must always be preceeded by other changes, either internal
or external to the object even if it is just time!
Now God could have created all kinds of 'somethings' to account for
why the Earth changes course suddenly in its orbit to form a square. If
he doesn't, then everyone will be stuck with the non understanding that
comes from things coming from nothing and happening for no reason, and
they would wake up!
Every being naturally seeks the lowest common denominator of the
universe where something and nothing are comfortably conserved.
So what He did do is create a very simple system of conservation.
In this system there are forces and masses, forces and masses are
related by simply mathematical rules whereby forces, which are
something, are allowed to impart motion to or change the courses of
masses, which are ANOTHER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOMETHING.
He further said that the force the sun exerts on the Earth is a
function of the sun's mass, and since the sun's mass isn't changing
significantly over time, neither can the force the Sun exerts on the
Earth. Further since the Sun's mass is spherical and there is no
preferred direction, the Sun's force must act equally in all directions
at all times on the Earth, depending only on how far the Earth is from
the sun.
Given the above, the mathematics of the situation inexorably
computes out to an ellipse. Thus if left to their own devices,
celestial objects like to orbit in ellipses, and the apparent somethings
or force and mass are all conserved.
In this case, the apparent somethings are cause and effect, namely
force and mass. Effects with out cause, and causes without effects both
violate something from nothing, and if this actually happened in any
dream universe, the beings in it would wake up to the next universe out
where something and nothing were properly conserved.
Now we already know that there is no mandatory reason that impels a
God to create a dream universe where something and nothing are
conserved.
He can just as easily make the Earth go around in random zig zags,
and let everyone down below know he is doing it out of caprice. There
ARE no actual somethings or nothing to be conserved in any dreamtime, so
the God can do what he wants. But the beings in the dream, including
the God himself when he jumps into his own creation, will have a very
hard time figuring out the rules, and eventually say "Oh screw it" and
wake up on purpose, because they KNOW the universe isn't actual.
You see for a universe to persist for any length of time the beings
in it must think the universe is more actual than they are. It is best
if the beings think they are MADE OF the universe somethings, like being
a brain or some such.
So The God creates dreamtimes that conserve something and nothing
purely out of a practical need, namely to make sure he doesn't wake up
when inside the dream universe.
If his created universe is going persist it's somethings have to be
more conserved than he is!
He can be incipient carrion or dust in the wind, but the oceans and
the rocks will out live him forever.
He won't ever wake up out of that dream!
His dream has to act as if it is actual right down to the last
quark, so he can continue to think he IS an actual machine operating in
an actual space time continuum.
If one single quark doesn't burp in just the right way, and the
dreaming being gets the faintest idea that something is no longer
conserved in an irreconcilable way, he will wake up and lose his dream.
This is why OT powers in the physical universe are really bad for
beings, it wakes them up like a meteor hitting their house.
Some people claim they really want it to happen, but once it does
they wish they could enter the dream again and can't.
The dream's cover has been blow, conservation of something and
nothing.
Homer
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homer@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
Tue Dec 12 01:09:09 EST 2006
================ http://www.clearing.org ====================
Sun Jun 2 12:00:04 EDT 2019
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Learning implies Learning with Certainty or Learning without Certainty.
Learning across a Distance implies Learning by Being an Effect.
Learning by Being an Effect implies Learning without Certainty.
Therefore, Learning with Certainty implies Learning,
but not by Being an Effect, and not across a Distance.
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