Thursday, September 23, 2010

Re: ADORE vs SCIENTOLOGY

The big joke here is we do not want to audit BY asking questions,
we want to audit ASKING QUESTIONS, by NOT asking questions.

When it comes to auditing questions, asking questions just gives
the preclear another question!.

'Self auditing' or figure figure as LRH calls it, is mostly the
preclear asking questions of himself which is a deadly negative waste of
time and not related to solo auditing where one is trying to spot and
erase the question asking altogether.

Source has no answers and no questions.

The basic solo auditing program is simply:

1.) Spot something of notice.

2.) Spot a question about that item.

Repeat 2 until no more, then go back to 1.)

E/P: No questions, no answers. Wise. At peace.

Homer

In article <mailman.10.1285267570.14074.clear-l@mailman.lightlink.com> you wrote:
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> ADORE vs SCIENTOLOGY
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> I gotta make a few comments here.
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> CANONICALIZATION OF AUDITING COMMANDS
>
> What items you run is much more important than how you run them,
> but using questions to run items is death.
>
> Death, death, death.
>
> For example who and what questions are rampant in Scientology, but
> even Scientology offers different ways of running the same thing.
>
> So rather than run "What did your mother do to you?" you could run
> 'Tell me something your mother did to you", which is a command, or
> simply 'Spot something your mother did to you."
>
> We call the 'Spot item' form of command the canonical form, as it
> will always work, but there might be times when other forms might work
> better or be more grammatically correct.
>
> QUESTIONS
>
> The issue of questions in auditing is serious matter, as the bank
> runs on questions, they are the cylinders of the bank's car, and you
> can't push one cylinder around without moving all (the trillions) of
> other ones too.
>
> Every time you ask a preclear 'What's the matter', well he's got a
> trillion years of matter to hand you, all in deep failed question churn.
>
> Who, how, what, where, when, why, which, is it, and can it.
>
> Mostly :)
>
> Thus question asking about one item, restimulates ALL items there
> ever were or ever will be.
>
> The ITEM does not cause the restim, the EFFORTS TO ANSWER THE
> QUESTION do.
>
> That's because heavy efforts to answer questions are common to all
> items. It's the WANTING TO KNOW that drives the bank.
>
> The bank creators knew that truth seekers would be a problem,
> eventually finding their way to clear, so they made sure that seeking,
> searching, finding, looking for, and question asking were charged to the
> hilt.
>
> Seeking, searching, finding, and looking for ANSWERS is the way to
> death.
>
> Seeking, searching, finding, and looking for QUESTIONS is the way
> back to life.
>
> Your preclear thinks that
>
> Questions are the problem and answers are the solution.
>
> The clear understands that
>
> Answers are the problem, questions are the solution.
>
> Thus even if the item is a proper item to be running, the amount of
> charge stirred up by QUESTION ASKING will often swamp the amount of
> charge coming off that item, and the preclear is worse for the wear.
>
> Thus for any item, we first canonicalize it, then try to create a
> form to run it in that is as far way from asking a question as possible.
>
> We want auditing COMMANDS, not questions, always, always, always.
>
> If the preclear can honestly say 'I don't know' to the auditing
> command, then it is too close to a question.
>
> As a reminder, complete canonicalization of an item would involve
> both the NO and the SOME forms. Often the SOME won't run until the NO
> runs first, and staying in sync is critical to really running the two
> way flows out.
>
> Spot NO item. (Pretended NO, not-ised)
> Spot SOME item.
>
> The preclear is never aberrated by a stuck one way flow, but by TWO
> stuck one way flows, IS *AND* ISN'T.
>
> NOT KNOW.
>
> LRH had a fantastic process that seems to be given little attention
> in the Church standard line up, and which in fact should be run on the
> Church itself by those having a problem with it.
>
> Spot a condition or item and then run:
>
> "What do or could you not know about that item."
>
> First we canonicalize it to:
>
> "Spot something you could or do not know about that item."
>
> This is a rough one, because it offers a contradiction to the
> preclear, how can he tell you something he doesn't know, if he doesn't
> know it?
>
> For example,
>
> "Tell me something you could or don't know about your mother?"
>
> Well if you don't know it, how can you tell it?
>
> This process is NOT meant to find answers for you about your
> mother, but to find QUESTIONS!
>
> So the preclear may not know how old she is, but he can say
>
> "I don't know how old she is."
>
> "I don't know where she was born."
>
> "I don't know if she was raped by her father."
>
> But you see each of these are QUESTIONS in disguise.
>
> "How old is she?"
>
> "Where was she born?"
>
> "Was she raped by her father?"
>
> So why not approach the item directly simply by running
>
> "Spot a question you have or could have about your mother."
>
> This form runs exactly the same thing, gets right to the point, the
> questions, and gets the preclear to not know the answers anyhow, BECAUSE
> THE ANSWER TO MOTHER ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS HE HAS ASKED AND FAILED TO
> ANSWER ABOUT HER.
>
> Nothing will chill out a somatic faster than getting all the
> questions off of it.
>
> Spot a condition. Tell me a question you have about that
> condition.
>
> Remember the questions are a deceit, they are an effort to KEEP THE
> SOMATIC AROUND by pretending to want to find out about it, so he can do
> something about it.
>
> A service facsimile is an excuse for not expressing a resentment by
> asking a question. The E/P is running out the service fac is 'Operating
> Solo Cool'. - Adore
>
> It isn't necessary to find any answers to get better, it is only
> necessary to spot the missed or bypassed questions that are causing the
> persistence.
>
> That's a big statement, dig it and don't leave it.
>
> Once the preclear settles into this, he will suddenly be able to
> spot and feel when his bank is convulsing with its fountain head of
> question asking, even if he hasn't a clue what the question is. It will
> be ALL his questions.
>
> When this convulsing is chilled out the bank will stop growing more
> solid every living second the preclear is alive.
>
> THE POWER PROCESSES
>
> The Power process are merely running the top 3 items on the
> Awareness Characteristic Chart, SOURCE, EXISTENCE and CONDITIONS.
>
> Source is what is cause or not cause.
>
> Existence is what is or what isn't.
>
> And Conditions are how things are or are not causally connected or
> conditional upon each other.
>
> For example, a condition to getting across the river is to have a
> bridge there. Or a condition to staying alive is being able to eat, and
> a condition to being able to eat is to be able to hunt or grow food.
>
> These causal necessaries to change existence from how it is to how
> you might want it to be, form a web of 'travel' that the being must
> causally walk to get from where he is to where he wants to be.
>
> Thus conditions are not just more of existence, they are the
> 'barriers' of getting from one existence to another. The same barriers
> that make up the freedoms, barriers and purposes of games.
>
> So scientology runs Power Process 4 as
>
> Spot a Source, Spot a not Source.
>
> Well that's pretty close to canon isn't it?
>
> We would run instead
>
> Spot NO source. Spot SOME source.
>
> Grammar isn't too important, as these ideas are beyond language and
> words, but get the preclear running it however he feels comfortable with
> the commands.
>
> Scientology runs Power Process 5 as
>
> What is? What isn't?
>
> Flunk. Into the garbage pail you go.
>
> Run it as:
>
> Spot NO is. Spot SOME is.
> Spot NO something. Spot SOME something.
> Spot NO nothing. Spot SOME nothing.
>
> Scientology runs power process 6 as
>
> Spot an existing condition
> Tell me how you handled it.
>
> This is pretty close to canon, but misses the NO.
>
> This also tends to confuse condition with UNWANTED existence, which
> is not what it is meant to run, as condition is meant to be defined as
> it is used on the awareness characteristic chart.
>
> Spot NO condition, Spot SOME condition
> Spot NO handle, Spot SOME handle
>
> Spot NO problem, Spot SOME problem.
> Spot NO solution, Spot SOME solution.
>
> OK, now one last comment.
>
> The power processes simply run the top 3 items of the
> awareness characteristic chart.
>
> Why keep it secret? You have already published the chart.
>
> What else do you expect people to do with it except canonize it
> and run it?
>
> Why not run ALL the items on the chart the same way, using straight
> auditing form?
>
> Spot NO oblivion, Spot SOME oblivion
> Spot NO criminality, Spot SOME criminality
>
> If you really want power to be handled for good, run the whole
> chart from bottom to top multiple times using NO and SOME.
>
> That will give you a power clear like no one has seen before.
>
> Here is the full awareness characteristic chart.
> http://www.clearing.org/cgi/archive.cgi?/electra/acc.memo
>
> Homer
>
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