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In alt.clearing.technology Jommy Cross <jommycross@[127.1]> wrote:
>> So a dreamball believes that the world is a dream now, a co dream
>>among many dreamers dreaming together about an external space and time
>>that doesn't actually exist, it just isn't out there. It never has
>>been, and never will be, because it CAN'T BE.
>
> Writing it in all caps doesn't make it any less solipsist. It's not clear
> why you think it CAN'T BE?
It is solipism, what's the problem Sir?
> Who put the fixed stars where they are in the sky? Who agreed they'd go
> there?
There are no stars, no space, no time just renditions of these
things in the render zone of our consciousness.
We put those there. Computer artistry every bit of it.
When and why is lost in history to us, we wanted to be creature, so
have lost contact with being creator.
What is the problem?
> I simply admit the dreamball theory is more desirable. Alas, passing a law
> to make the value of pi precisely 3.0, while desirable for a lot of
> reasons, really doesn't work.
Passing a law that says that the physical universe is not a dream
doesn't work ether. Either it is a dream or it isn't. Either it is
ACTUALLY out there, or it is only a virtual projection in our minds of
being out there.
Evidence please.
I can't give evidence of the non existence of something.
It is up to you to give evidence of the existence of the physical
universe that would pass scientific muster.
> The theory that I'm God become Soul seems independent of the theory that
> the waking world (reality) is a dream, imho.
> What prevents the God of which I was theoretically part building an
> objective reality before becoming all those Souls?
Very intelligent question, and it is in fact called the hybrid
theory between dreamball and meatball.
I accept its possibility, as long as one does not then say that
consciousness is a process in the brain. I would however accept that
consciousness, which created the brain long ago was INTERFACED with the
brain in such a way as to receive physical data from it.
But we run into trouble if we try to envision how an exterior
consciousness could leave the body and see the phyisical world from
someplace that the body is not, or between lives.
The hybrid theory philosophically also depends on the idea that
something which was not space and time could nonetheless create space
and time and put objects in it.
The pure dreamball theory says that consciousness exists as a zero
dimensional scalar entity, and that it operates by creating images in
its consciousness that render likenesses of space and time and objects,
which do not take up space or time themselves, because consciousness
does not change its spaceless timeless form to create imager of space
and time.
Consciousness can dream of space and time and it can believe it is
not dreaming, that is about it.
Consciousness dreams everything that it is not.
Source sources what Source is not.
Thus everything created is the opposite of the nature of the
creator.
> Why does reality being a dream make me part of a God?
If there is no space or time between beings, then all beings are on
the same zero dimensional scalar 'point'.
I hate to call it a point because people confuse a scalar point
with a 0x0x0 3 dimensional point which is a nothing.
Since all beings are on the same point by definition of there being
no actual space and time, they must in some sense be all there is, and
at root they are all one and the the same object.
Incarnation is the process by which the One becomes Many in
apparency only.
Further since all beings are on the same point, something must be
connecting them so they can dream the same dream and communicate in
sync, resonance or unison with each other, otherwise everyone one would
be dreaming alone.
So we call that one thing, of which there can only be one of them,
since there is nothing to separate other one's out, the AllThatIs.
Space and time are separators, they put separation between
things and make them two or more different objects.
The absence of dimensionality does not produce a nothing, it
produces a scalar, which has no in fact separation inside itself or
outside itself, as there is no outside to have another scalar.
It is a conscious entity of some sort that can in apparency only
separate out many conscious subunits that can take on the apparency of
individuality.
This multi I-AM being then we call God for lack of a better word.
It fits the bill, as creator, author, intelligent, sentient, except that
rather than being one being that 'creates' all other beings, this God is
a multi being that creates illusion in itself of being created for its
own enjoyment.
> Why is reality about desire? See pi = 3 above.
Desire needs to be unbiased in the investigation of the problem.
When the square root of 2 was first proved to be irrational, those
who knew had a hell of a time getting those vested in rational numbers
to look at the problem, admit it was there, and actively pursue the
proof themselves. They became Prove It! cases, rather than trying to
prove it themselevs.
If the physical universe exists, there is no possible way for
anyone to prove it by merely using their consciousness of it, you can
not prove that A exists by look at A through B.
However if the world is a dream, it should be relatively easy to
demonstrate the truth of your choices in creating the world and chosing
to forget doing so and why.
Although we can suggest a path towards that end, based on the way
in is the way out, and we can help in the matter with guiding style
auditing.
At which point the actuality of the unprovable phyiscal universe
falls away as ludicrous. We believe in its actuality only because we
wanted to, not because of any actual evidence for its existence.
The vested interest case expects us to prove to him that the world
is a dream, when he hasn't proven to himself that we even exist, nor
that the alleged physical universe exists as more than a shared co
dream.
No one can prove that to another, only to themselves.
If one created something, and chose to forget having created it,
the way to undo that is to practice making choices and forgetting them,
until you get in sync with the big one.
All he really knows is that he exists, and that is the first step
towards wisdom.
A conscious unit can not prove the existence of anything
represented in the dream including the existence of other conscious
units, using only the images in his consciousness to do it, or the
pretended objects in space time that he thinks they represent.
In otherwords anything you are conscious-of in the outside
world is useless to prove that the outside world exists,
or that anyone else but you exists.
And a conscious unit can only prove its own existence through self
luminous self awareness.
Conscious units can only become certain of each other, via the
inward mechanism that connects units at the scalar/static level, where
in he can see the oneness and the manyness of everyone at the same time.
and the on going to choice to engage illusions of space and time, from a
scalar source.
Once he sees that, all questions of whether or not kinetics,
space and time, are illusions fall away as self obvious.
>> He will instead grab the first piece of anything that indicates
>>that the dreamball theory can't be true, and say 'See I told you so, you
>>dream balls are all delusional, I don't have to bother with you any
>>more.'
>
> Sweet Elvis, here I am bothering and what thanks do I get? I'm a
> "meatball", "carrion", a "hyena", a "basher".
>
> You guys have some serious aggression issues you need to address, imho.
Uh, sorry it is the meatballs who told me I belong in a straight
jacket because I believe in OT powers.
Anyhow may respect for you will go up, if you respond intelligently
to the above.
But admit it, a mortal meatball is an incipient carrion dweller,
no way around it.
I am not asking that anyone AGREE with the dreamball theory, only
to understand it thoroughly and to admit they really don't know which
theory is true or not, dreamball or meatball.
Homer
> Incident zero: Ron trolled you
>
> Ever yours in fandom,
> Jommy Cross
>
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